Installing Windows XP on your Intel-based Mac can cause problems and not just the Karmic kind:
“According to a thread on MacRumors, the current XP install doesn’t include a fan driver, which means your Mac’s fan never goes on. That may not be a big issue if you’re using an iMac for limited periods in a well-ventilated space, but if you’re planning on running XP on a MacBookPro, you may find things getting mighty hot. We’re not dissing narf and blanka here; they won the contest and deserve their $13,000. But you may want to be a little careful before trying out their solution at home,” Marc Perton reports for Engadget.
More info here.
MacRumors’ Windows on a Mac forum here.
[UPDATE: 3/21, 1:35pm: “It appears that the fans in Macs do indeed go on regardless of which OS is running, though there is apparently some concern about how the fans are regulated by software over time. Several commenters have pointed out that even in some earlier Mac models, running non-Apple OSes (i.e., Linux) could result in the fans running constantly, due to a lack of Apple power-management software. So, the good news seems to be that, no, XP won’t melt your Mac. The bad news? Your fans may whirr constantly, causing a bit of noise pollution, and possibly draining your batteries before their time if you’re using a MacBookPro,” Engadget’s Marc Perton reports. Full article here.]
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Bottom line, MS products are dangerous
And I heard running XP on your MBP wasn’t too “hot an idea.”
NOW HOLD TFSCK ON!
The default for no fan driver response is for the hardware to maximize the fan speed.
Same thing happens when Mac OS X “hangs”, the hardware doesn’t get the calls from the OS to tone down the fans, so it turbos them.
This is standard Apple procedure.
I have read many posts from those who are running XP on their Mactels (traitors!) and te fans are at full blast because there is no driver to slow them down.
Game over.
^ Ahh, ha-ha-ha-ha, haaah-ha-ha-ha-ha-haaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh!!!!!
Sometimes, January, you are just so funny . . .
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And then there’s now.
Oh yea, Engadget is full of $hit.
Can you say hit traffic troll?
Anyway MacRumors is filled with a bunch of stupid kids who hyperventalite at a moments notice.
I wouldn’t count on them as being a creditable source of accurate information.
Engadget should know better, but troll stories are hit traffic generator’s.
Apple fanboies s*ck a$44 too.
Another example is when you start your mac in target disk mode, fans are on full blast.
Ha HA, Apple just voided your warranty/AppleCare for running a non-approved operating system.
Bet Apple will rethink allowing Windows on their hardware when the scores of melted CPU’s come flooding in the door.
STUPID APPLE, XP is for PC’s.
I’m a idiot, I know it.
Shoot me please.
Doesn’t the lack of fan driver cause the fans not to scale down, but stay at full speed?
Umm… I believe this claim has been debunked
http://wiki.onmac.net/index.php/Users/Drivers
> Fans have been verified to be working, but are generally only audible
> under heavy CPU load or when the CPU temperature gets very high. There
> have been some perceptions that XP is running hotter than Mac OS X, but
> measurements indicate that maximum case temperatures under XP are
> no greater than under Mac OS X.
I think this is the first thing MacDude said that was actually factual.
I am running XP on my Mac Mini (1.67GHZ Core Duo). I don’t hear the fans run during routine tasks, like browsing the net or messing around with settings. When I do run CPU intensive tasks, such as 3DMark or Quake III Arena, I begin to hear the fans run. The more intensive the task, the louder the fans become. If the story were true, the fans would be running at high speed until it can illicit some form of response from the system, NOT be prevented from running. Please get the facts straight before posting Windows-bashing material. I know we all love OS X, but it’s truly a shame when Mac sites look for the smallest piece of flame bait to post.
For detailed information regarding running XP on a Mac, and to read actual user’s experiences behind this project, please read the OnMac wiki: http://wiki.onmac.net/ or visit the forums at http://forum.onmac.net/
This is clearly not a good day for apple reporting/apple journalism…
I’m a Mac fan
I for one do not care, Windows will never be on my Macs. There is no need.
Please get the facts straight before posting Windows-bashing material.
OH JESUS H CHRISTMAS!!!
Who in all hell would HAVE IMAGINED A MAC USER running Windows would scold other Mac users running Mac OS X?
It’s truly the end, hell has frozen over
We are now destined to fight amongst each other.
The Mac users running Windows vs the Mac users running Mac OS X.
QUESTION OF THE DAY
Is a Mac user running Windows a actual Mac user?
Is he/she a sellout or a traitor?
LET THE HATE BEGIN!!!
I’m running XP on my Mac
I still consider myself a Mac user.
Mac OS X is a stupid OS.
I’m running twice as many software titles as before.
I’ll never go back to Mac OS X.
I’ll buy a Visa PC when it comes out.
There’s nothing you can do to stop me.
The question, MacUser, is are you an asshole?
The answer is a resounding YES.
Have a nice day.
Oh, I’m a Mac user running Windows. BTW.
hehehhe
Vista will be your master. Soon, real soon.
hhahahahahaha
Whoopee. Not only will your Mac run XP like a POS PC, its fans will run at full-bore and make as much racket as a POS PC. Windows is miserable enough without the vacuum cleaner racket.
Hmmm what if Apple did a little firmware “revision” that DID shut the fans down when a non-Apple OS was booted (and logged it permanently for Apple Service’s convenience). Wouldn’t that be interesting.
I’m to scared to put XP on my Macs. If you need XP its easlier (maybe even cheaper)to just by an eMachine of cheap Dell.
Screw you Slim Jim, your a traitor.
Your nickname represents your pecker, good luck.
G-ZUS says: Running Windows on a Mac is an abomination. It is a sin in the sight of the Lord. A person running Windows on a Mac is NOT a Mac user.
http://musobs.blogspot.com/
“Vista will be your master. Soon, real soon.”
I’ll go Amish before I’m ever bitch to Microsoft.
Those who want XP on their Macs are welcome to bend over. Ballmer loves you.
G-ZUS,
Fsck you, I bought Apple hardware, that makes me a Mac user.
Apple don’t care what OS your running anymore.
After Jobs’ presentation, Apple Senior Vice President Phil Schiller addressed the issue of running Windows on Macs, saying there are no plans to sell or support Windows on an Intel-based Mac. “That doesn’t preclude someone from running it on a Mac. They probably will,” he said. “We won’t do anything to preclude that.” – 06/06/2005
“Fsck you, I bought Apple hardware, that makes me a Mac user.”
I guess buying a iPod for your PC makes you a Mac user then.
blow me.
“Can’t we all just get along?”
And yes, Jay Leno REALLY DOES SUCK!
Ah yeah. What a joke. You aren’t a Mac User if you aren’t running some version of the Mac OS. The only “using” that a person does with the hardware is press the power button. After that everything you interact with is software. And if all you do is run Windows, why would you bother getting a Mac in the first place??
I can see dropping down to Windows to play some game that’s not yet available for Mac OS X. But using Windows for anything else that Mac OS X could also easily do… You’d have to be a complete idiot to not boot back into Mac OS X.
MW: Gone. As in, where has everyone’s common sense gone?
Sigh,
Putting Windows XP on your expensive Mac hardware totally defeats the purpose of having expensive Mac Hardware.
Mac Fans, please listen, don’t go back to the Dark Side! Market Share does not equal bliss!!!
Um.. MacDude…
“LET THE HATE BEGIN!!!”
Couldn’t you pretty much conclude all of your posts that way?
Just a constructive observation.
can all this noise (windows or mac user id) stop?.. these are just machines/ software for us to get along, not religion or belief! where the hell ‘ll be the rest of you when Bill and Jobs eventually team up?… can’t you see it coming?
Oh bigq, now your hard disk must die, you see, it is a religion. There can only be one right oh-ess, and it is Mac OS-X. If you don’t really understand this, it’s a very sad thing. I’m sorry but now you must lick the 110vac power line-in on your PC power supply, good bye!
bigq, you’re f*ckin dead.
I am gonna mow down your family and eat your cat for lunch.
Then I’m gonna direct my specially trained crows to peck you to death while you walk your dog.
These are the same crows that bitchslap MacDude on his way to the store every day.
Man, you are soooooo f*ckin dead.
FUD…
http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/20/will-xp-melt-your-mac/
Update: Well, you can’t say Mac users don’t hunt down rumors and quash them quickly (though some are, of course, just as guilty of spreading rumors)! It appears that the fans in Macs do indeed go on regardless of which OS is running, though there is apparently some concern about how the fans are regulated by software over time. Several commenters have pointed out that even in some earlier Mac models, running non-Apple OSes (i.e., Linux) could result in the fans running constantly, due to a lack of Apple power-management software. So, the good news seems to be that, no, XP won’t melt your Mac. The bad news? Your fans may whirr constantly, causing a bit of noise pollution, and possibly draining your batteries before their time if you’re using a MacBookPro. We do have every confidence that narf, blanka and the rest will resolve this issue — and probably for a lot less than $13,000.
Engadget sucks @$$.
And screw you guys running XP on your Mac’s, I’m going home.
I can’t believe it, some Mac users DO have a brain! It’s a slow transition right? First, you run Windows to play your computer games. Then less and less you boot into OS X until, POW. you realize your wasting HALF of your HD on that os that suddenly is unused. You reformat your HD to a 100% Windows partition. Later, when you need to replace your obsolete POS Mac box, you think, Hmm…. Should I buy this eMachines PC for $300 WITH Windows |OR| buy this iMac for $1299 plus buying the superior OS separate. Money talks, Money talks.
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Mac Fans, please listen, don’t go back to the Dark Side! Market Share does not equal bliss!!!
TOO FRIGGING LATE!!!
Polls are about 9% of those who installed XP on their Macs are thrilled with it.
And with all the severe security issues affecting Mac OS X since it was released, there will be virtually no difference between it and Vista, in fact Vista may be more secure according to what I read.
Then it will be announced, Apple was working with Microsoft for the last five years on Vista and it will be now sold on Mac’s in all those fancy Apple stores.
YOU WATCH, strange things are happening in Cupertino.
Just boot Windows.
Running Windows OS on a Mac is like shitting on your own doorstep anyway……LOL
I think Apple is sending this hidden signal:
Developers can keep coding for the PPC Mac majority and for those minority folks who want Mac OS X on their MacTels.
But eventually Windows will be the majority OS sold on Mac’s.
Apple doesn’t want to kill hardware sales off right away by making a full announcement of the Windows transition.
So they are using comments like, “well we won’t do anything to stop them from runnning Windows on Mac’s”
Apple has done many things to protect it’s monopoly in online music/iPod combination by not licensing their DRM for instance.
So allowing Windows on Mac’s just doesn’t make sense, unless they plan on becoming a PC vendor like Dell.
Steve Jobs hates Dell.
XP isn’t all that bad actually, provided you know how to secure the box.
Since you Mac users now have to do that with Mac OS X, it’s really a mute point.
Run more software, lots of games etc.
Ummm… a resounding, “Whatevah!”
9% of zilch. Good one.
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Is running Windows natively on the Intel Mac important to you?
Yes – it is essential 8.39 % (781)
Yes – it is important 17.71 % (1649)
Yes – I’m interested in it30.31 % (2822)
No – but I see why other people are interested 23.79 % (2215)
No – no interest 19.17 % (1785)
No opinion 0.63 % (59)
Total votes: 9311
There you have it, over 56% of Mac users would switch to Windows RIGHT NOW
Source: MacPolls.com
Beleive it or not, I don’t include myself in the 56%. I will continue to use Mac OS X until the Mac finally breaks down or I can’t get updates anymore.
*sniff* I’m such a diehard, but confused, machead. pity me.
After seeing what my dad-in-law has gone through in the various iterations of Windoze on his machines (including his support guru practically taking up residence to switch him from Win2K to XP), I don’t need those headaches.
If I ever wanted to run Windows (highly unlikely), I’ll pick up an HP laptop that I can boot up when needed then stow away out of sight when I want to do real work.
Mac OS isn’t going anywhere, folks…nothing to see here, move along…
I think a few of you guys need to wait for puberty before you start posting online.
Those of you that have hit it, but are still stupid, please consult a responsible adult before you post.
Thanks.
I would imagine many people see running Windoze as important for one of two reasons;
1) Like me they have to use Windows for work – being able to run Windows XP means that I could use a Mac laptop at work
2) Running games
Personally I would be far more interested in a native version of Virtual PC or VMWare which means I stay in OS X and only dive into Windows when I have to.
Machead:
“I guess buying a iPod for your PC makes you a Mac user then.”
No, it doesn’t. It does however, make you an Apple user. Learn the difference.
Yeah.
I bought a Mac Mini so I could run Windows.
I also bought a Dodge minivan so I could race in the NASCAR circuit.
I voted Republican because I wanted smaller government and balanced budgets.
Now I have a computer virus that spies on me without a warrant and my vehicle’s gas milage has earned me an honorary membership in the Saudi royal family.
But my fan works.
The bottom line:
It’s becoming harder to find the sensible comments on MDN.
The level of trolling gets higher the more it’s recognized that Apple is outdoing its useless competitor ‘Largehard’.
(And on the fan issue, this is a non-issue, they are controlled from the hardware..)
Not too long ago Dvorak (I think it was) predicted that Apple would discard Mac OS X in favour of Windows.
It’s becoming harder to find the sensible comments on MDN.
So I guess 56% of Mac users who now want to run Windows tells us something.
That Mac’s with Mac OS X are really entry level learner type computers mostly, and for those too dumb or specialized on a different train of thought processes (creatives) to graduate to Windows analytical complexity.
After all both platforms work essentially the same, one just baby’s you better.
Also, you can’t generate a cult like fasination with seasoned computer users. You need fresh young or dumb minds who are easily influenced by a cult product.
It all makes sense now. In 30 years of using Mac’s I finally see the light.
I really feel used and stupid. No wonder 56% of Mac users now want to run Windows.
It also explains Mac’s 3-4% market share.
Entry level computers from a company that specializes in the educational market.
That explains why Apple has never really produced a inexpensive, open architecture, upgradable computer like a $600 Dell Tower.
All of Apple’s computers are non upgradable except the expensive towers.
Sure they got PowerMac’s for the creative pro’s, but now that’s a mute point since they changed processors to Intel. If Apple produces their creative software for Windows PC’s that will do in the hardware very nicely.
I think that’s what’s Apple is up to, to transition to a software company and a PC vendor with Vista.
Windows is going to become easier and more secure to use, which will negate the need for Mac OS X in the marketplace.
So many schools are switching their Mac’s over to Windows PC’s “to train the kids in what’s used in the real world” that now Mac’s are delegated to be used by kindergarden and first graders.
The color and style difference between the PowerMac/Powerbook line and everything else Apple makes makes a lot of sense too.
OMG! Apple’s entire marketing plan is dissolving before our very eyes!
So being a Apple user = A or B
A: your a computer newbie
B: your too much of a dumb ass to learn Windows
IF the Mac dies, Debian beckons.
There is no place for Redmond in my home.
snuffleupigus
You forgot C
C: you know Windows inside out, but hate using it ’cause it’s shit
“The sould of a Mac is its operating system”
-Steve Jobs, june 2005
i see little point in forcing windows on a mac, i have a seperate machine just for windows, i purposely keep them seperate so should anything happen to my “games” machine i can just format it and put windows back on with out loosing anything important
Thanks for demonstrating my point so clearly.
I rest my case…
Since this story turned out to be false, MDN should change the headline to “trolls think they are witty, film at 11”
If macs had the newest games to run (the games come out the same time for macs and pcs) few would be interested in running windows on their mac.
Steve doesn´t play computer games, steve doesn´t get computer gamers. Until Steve does, Apple will never increase its market share.
Mike said, “I’m running XP on my Mac
I still consider myself a Mac user.
Mac OS X is a stupid OS.
I’m running twice as many software titles as before.
I’ll never go back to Mac OS X.
I’ll buy a Visa PC when it comes out.
There’s nothing you can do to stop me.”
Mike, Mike, Mike – we don’t want to stop you.
You go ahead and buy Mac hardware and install whatever you like on it, install Linux for all we care.
No matter what you do, it’ll still register as a Mac sale in the market share numbers. Which will grow our market share, and more developers will be attracted to the platform.
Yeah, you teach us Mac users a lesson by buying Mac hardware and increasing Apple’s market share!
God, Windows users are such morons.
Macdude said, “There you have it, over 56% of Mac users would switch to Windows RIGHT NOW”
No it doesn’t, look again. Over 56% of Mac users would find it, “important to run Windows natively on the Intel Mac.”
This means that they would like to run Windows OS at full speed alongside the Mac OS. Where do you find ‘switching’ in this?
I have to use a Sony Vaio Windows PC laptop alongside the other Mac’s in my studio to access the company’s Windows XP only stock control database, and I would love to kick this PC out as it’s hardware is so unreliable. It’s about a year old and so far, it’s CD tray & trackpad no longer function, and I’m now told (by our wonderful PC IT overlords) that the ethernet port is on its way out.
So there YOU have, I need to access the Windows OS on Mac hardware because:
1) I’m FORCED to use a Windows program
2) I find Mac hardware more reliable.
No switching required. Please refrain from airing your own personal fantasies regarding legions of Mac users suddenly switching to Windows & please engage your brain before typing in future.
All the people saying the end is near for OS X are crazy. OS X is the best thing about Macs, and is the number one reason I use them, and is a main reason why lots of people use them. The Mac hardware (usually) is solid and reliable, but alone it is not a compelling reason to buy a Mac for the average user. OS X, iLife, and a host of well-designed third party applications are the reason most people like Macs, as well as the absence of formidable virus threats, BSDs, an un-user-friendly OS, and other Windows quirks and shortcomings.
I have a Dell with XP, and Virtual PC on a PowerBook. I wouldn’t mind having a dual-boot Intel MacBook, provided I didn’t run out of HD space for my OS X apps. But there is no way most Mac users would go back to the nightmare that is called Windows for their general computing needs. Personally I would use it for a few special programs that don’t run on the Mac, and I can envision others booting into Windows to play games, etc.
But the fact XP can run on Intel Macs does not spell the end for OS X. It is just another interesting and positive development for those who would like to run both.
What you dumb jackarses don’t realize is
If Mac’s can dual boot Windows, there is no incentive for developers to code for Mac OS X.
What’s pretty well functioning OS if there is no third party software for it?
Eventually dual booting will get old very fast and you’ll just accept Windows.
So 56% of you are already sellouts, and just like I said Vista will be your master.
Didn’t beleive me huh?
MacDude, I refer you to my previous answer.
We aren’t sellouts, we just want to chuck out PC hardware and run Windows apps alongside the Mac OS, on Mac hardware, natively.
The poll you originally quoted said nothing about dual-booting, I think what most of the 56% want is to run the odd Windows app (that they are FORCED to use) occasionally without a speed penalty.
If you think through your comment, it doesn’t matter if Mac’s can dual boot Windows, whatever OS you decide to run on it it will register as a Mac sale, and it will be one more Mac to add to the market share numbers.
Mac’s market share will then go up, and more developers will be attracted to the platform because they will assume that all those Mac’s sold are running the Mac OS, in the same way they assume that all Windows PC’s sold run Windows, instead of what a large % do, and erase the hard drive and install Linux.
MacDude: your math skills are as advanced as your langquage skills… no one is switching, your 50 + % figure is flawed beyond the point that even a Windows user could reasonably be expected to compute (please take a math course or two before you graduate from high school – statistics wouldn’t be a bad idea).
And finally for the others the word is MOOT not mute (like your opinions which I can only assume are culled from people like Dvorak and his ilk). But then I woudn’t expect you all to figure that seeing that you are PC users.
And another thing… just a hunch but I seriously doubt anyone on this forum is actually running XP on a Mac. Doesn’t seem to be enough brain power here from the Windows side to get the virus going. Just MTCW.
MacDude: “If Mac’s can dual boot Windows, there is no incentive for developers to code for Mac OS X.”
That is just plain false. Developers will develop for whatever platform their customers demand. If one developer doesn’t, another will, and the one who didn’t will fall behind. Besides that, some developers intrinsically prefer developing for OS X, almost to the point of it being an issue of ethics (but more frequently, those ones just prefer OS X), and would not even consider developing for Windows.
Developers for the Mac know there clients will not accept “just boot into [buggy, flawed, not officially supported] Windows” on the Mac, and because they know this, they will continue to give us what we want and demand … hardware-native and OS X-native Mac software.
DistantThunder: Absa-fscking-lutely!
MDN Magic Word? Pay as in pay attention you Microsilly idiots!