“Shares of Apple were down almost 2 percent on Nasdaq where iPod chip supplier PortalPlayer Inc. shares fell almost 4 percent. SigmaTel Inc., a supplier for iPod Shuffles, saw shares fall almost 11 percent and another supplier, Synaptics Inc., was down almost 2 percent,” Reuters reports. “Early on Monday Creative Technology Ltd., a rival digital music player maker cut its sales outlook for the current quarter to 50 percent growth from a year ago from its earlier expectation for 65 percent to 80 percent growth. ‘If Creative music player sales are soft it infers that Apple sales are soft,’ said Needham & Co. analyst Charles Wolf.”
Full article here.
MacDailyNews Take: Or it could simply imply that nobody wants Creative’s also-ran music players because they all want Apple iPods instead. When GM couldn’t sell Oldsmobiles, did that news drag down Toyota shares?
Apple Computer (AAPL) shares are currently slightly down 11-cents or 0.29%.
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Apple squeezes and Creative’s profit plunges 72-percent – April 23, 2005
Apple iPod pressure forces Creative to drop prices on music players – March 01, 2005
Creative’s self-declared ‘MP3 player war’ against Apple isn’t going very well – January 20, 2005
Creative CEO: Apple iPod shuffle ‘a big let-down, worse than the cheapest Chinese player’ – January 12, 2005
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“If Creative music player sales are soft it infers that Apple sales are soft,” said Needham & Co. analyst Charles Wolf. –
do you really want to trust an ‘analyst’ that doesn’t even know the difference between ‘infer’ and ‘imply’?
Bad Charles – go back to school….
‘If Creative music player sales are soft it infers that Apple sales are soft,’ said Needham & Co. analyst Charles Wolf.”
Right, don’t actually look at the numbers.
“Early on Monday Creative Technology Ltd., a rival digital music player maker cut its sales outlook for the current quarter to 50 percent growth”
Still, 50% growth is something that any company would kill for
Just trying to create an appl buying opportunity in advance of this weeks announcements…
Charles needs to review the meaning of the word “infer”. The word “imply” would have been more appropriate. And no, poor sales of a below-average player do not imply that sales of a superior player are down, too. From this, we can infer that Charles’ perspective of the music player market is a bit confused.
‘If Creative music player sales are soft it infers that Apple sales are soft,’ said Needham & Co. analyst Charles Wolf.”
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And the Moron of the Week award goes to Charles Wolf. And not just because of the infer/imply gaffe. Creative’s sales numbers are soft because its product blows and someone is kicking its ass. Who could that be? C’mon, Charles, even you can get it. Begins with an “A”…
Creative’s sales on their inferior products are down and somehow this is Apple’s problem? Brilliant…
50% increase of “a little” is still “a little”.
50% increase of “a little” is still “a little”.
mathematically speaking, that converts it from a little to 50% bigger
I’m sorry, when does Creative sales being soft imply Apple sales are soft? I hate stock market analyst, they say the stupidest things.
the iPod has not mastered the WMA conversion process which ultimately dominate all media files. Apple users have no regard for DRM, which Steve Ballmer has stated previously.
The iPod fad is on 14 minutes and 30 seconds of their 15 minutes of fame.
the future is a network media player that takes advantage of .NET and the more reliable Windows Media.
The man’s a wanker.
But…50% increase of nothing is still nothing
What what you are saying. The same people who clamor that Apple is doing great because of 74% sales growth while the remaining PC retail segment grew 6% are the same that say “50% of a little [Real’s market share] is still a little”.
As an AAPL owner, and Mac user, I find this double sided. I support Apple too, but when 6% of your market share is still bigger than 74% of mine, I would rather have yours.
I stand by my assertion that while Apple’s policy is to underpromise and over deliver on sales of DMP, Creative went the other way, hoping that by providing agressive sales guidance, Analysts and the DMP consumers would see Creative as viable and reward them with sales and increased stock valuations. That didn’t work out so well for Creative and sadly, the company that brought sound to the masses with the Creative Labs SoundBlaster, is not able to find a foothold in the portable audio marketplace.
My magic word is “while” like it’s gonna take a “while” to unseat Apple’s DMP dominance.
Sputnik,
You slay me, man – it’s sad that you’ll get a load of abuse now from people who don’t understand either irony or satire.
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Sputnik, dude! Where’s stantheman. eh? Y’all should get together here and do an Abott & Costello routine. Maybe something like:
stantheman: Who’s on first.
sputnik: .Net technology!
stabtheman: No, Who’s on first!
sputnik: What?
stabtheman: Second base!
It would be funny. Yes it would. For about five minutes, then it’d be yesterday’s comedy and you’ll have to comeup with something along the lines of Chico and The Man, but that should be second nature to you guys!
ummm…
Creative selling less than expected means Apple is too?
Rephrasing other posts explicitly:
Could be those NOT buying Creative ARE buying Apple iPods, no?
Maybe that means INCREASED iPod sales for Apple?
just a thought….
Oh, fer… That’s not Sputnik. Sputnik puts the copyright symbol at the end of his posts. Sputnik isn’t so transparently stupid-on-purpose. I cannot believe how clueless some readers are around here.
But…50% increase of nothing is still nothing
Are you talking about your personal experience with a penis enlargment tool ?
lol
LordRobin,
Agree 100%. Sputnik is not THAT dumb.
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It’s a shame that Apple’s getting punished (stock-wise) when they are expected to have increasing sales quarter to quarter, just because some ‘war’-driven, also-ran competitor is expected to have lower sales.
I think Creative should give up the war and just make sound cards.
Creative selling less than expected means Apple is too?
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Funny, huh?
Oh.. damn, I forgot.. THEY’RE COMPETITORS!
To infer is nothing but by virtue of one proposition laid down as true, to draw in another as true.
–Locke.
Realmoney says just the opposite so it’s all a guessing game. Why don’t the shares go up with all of the positive news with marketshare gains.
Infer:
1. To conclude from evidence or premises.
2. To reason from circumstance; surmise: We can infer that his motive in publishing the diary was less than honorable.
3. To lead to as a consequence or conclusion: “Socrates argued that a statue inferred the existence of a sculptor” (Academy).
4. To hint; imply.
Where to you find deer or squirrels?
Infer.
From:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=infer
Infer is sometimes confused with imply, but the distinction is a useful one. When we say that a speaker or sentence implies something, we mean that
it is conveyed or suggested without being stated outright: <CITE>When the mayor said that she would not rule out a business tax increase, she implied (not inferred) that some taxes might be
raised.</CITE> Inference, on the other hand, is the activity performed by a reader or interpreter in drawing conclusions that are not explicit in what is said: <CITE>When the mayor said that she would
not rule out a tax increase, we inferred that she had been consulting with some new financial advisers, since her old advisers were in favor of tax reductions.</CITE>
Thanks for the helping hand. This implies that Wolf either forgot to mention or omitted the “I” part which I infer to mean that he didn’t want to put his money where is mouth was.
Pfff, so much agitation over an overprized USB stick.
I am finally getting an iPod shuffle for my birthday. This will bring to our immediate family up to three. I won’t be getting another high end iPod until they release the next great thing – which I am hoping is a video pod with goggles so you can watch full screen anywhere (and they talk about the isolation of iPod users NOW
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“Pfff, so much agitation over an overprized USB stick.”
Hmm, is right… That quote carries ALL the traits of a dumbass, lazy 20 something loser who was an intern assigned to me once, yet didn’t do a damn thing all day… He was let go after I let HR know that he didn’t do anything all day except surf the web, interrupt other employees from actually doing their jobs, playing computers games on company time… The last time I spoke with him (online), I learned he has since graduated, still “works” on a tech support desk, does nothing all day and whines about there being no “real” employment prospects out there, and plays inane rpgs 18 hours a day… Of course there are no job prospects… for him… To get the good jobs, you have to actually work and show motivation… Two things he is clueless about…And besides, who would want to hire a guy whose whole life is about playing dumb ass 3d games all day?
LOSER!
LOL, thanks for sharing that.
Need more venting opportunities? I could make a remark about Macs being overprized or something?
Hey. Apple’s stock is up today. Guess that means Creative increased its sales outlook again.