“Within six months, we will see a new Gateway. It should be profitable, it is already focused, the merger will be behind the firm, and it is already running hard. Most companies in this segment are not equipped to deal with change at this rate. Gateway’s changes should better position it to take advantage of the market recovery. Nothing is sure, but so far this is textbook implementation, and I’m a big fan of doing things that are known to be successful as opposed to reinventing the wheel,” analyst Rob Enderle of The Enderle Group writes.
Of the closing of all Gateway retil stores, Enderle writes, “Gateway opened its stores in order to build a retail presence. Apple, which has had a similar problem as a result of its decline and also has built a large number of stores, has been experiencing a substantial amount of channel conflict. The conflict stems from some retailers believing that Apple is providing its stores with advantages that retailers can’t access. Whether true or not, that perception can and does cause retailers to discontinue the lines in conflict.”
Full article here.
Meanwhile, Forbes reports, “Prudential Equity Group said Gateway may be making a misstep with an announcement to close its remaining 188 company-operated retail stores on April 9. Prudential said that by closing its stores, ‘Gateway not only loses any differentiation relative to its branded integrator strategy, but also loses the ability to up sell and cross sell to the customer.'”
Full article here.
We will see a new gateway.
A gateway to poop…
Oh well, there go all the remaining jobs at Gateway too. If Thurrott is backing them, they’re going to be the next Commodore without a doubt.
Yes, it’s that time of the night again. Enderle, I meant Enderle. Thurrott would probably say the same though.
wouldn’t have been a normal week without Enderle writing something stupid… how many times has anyone said “I wish I had a gateway instead of this dull” if you are buying a cheap pc you care about price not who made the thing thus you will buy a gateway if its so cheap that they make no money off it…. not a good way to run a business.
enderle blows goats
Analist Rob ‘Know-Nothing, Know-It-All’ Enderle of The (one man) Enderle ‘Group’ writes…
Does it matter?
Ok Enderle, you’re on. Come back in 6 months and give us a full update on how they’re doing and we’ll see if you’re right.
Funny thing is, when he’s proven wrong in 6 months and Gateway is not a “profitable company”, we won’t hear a peep out of him about it…
Replace “Gateway” with “Apple” and Enderle and Thurrott would be giving themselves self-congratulations for their prophetic pronouncements. But as poor Gateway bites the dust Enderle, the near mythological seer, graces us with a future of hope and promise. Speaking of promise, when will Longhorn be available, guys? On the next generation Gateway, perhaps?
All this PC rubbish. PC fanatics are the same type of dorks…who look at a Chevy Monte Carlo – NASCAR, racing car …and say “awww coooool” look at that set of wheels ! Mac users are the type to say “That’s a pile of poop” …and then remark favorably at a Ferrari or Lotus. Simply put – some of these analysts cater to a low expectation crowd. The Wall-Mart gang. You’ve seen ’em. No teeth, forty kids in the back of the pick up truck eatin ice-cream. They could get a Mac…but don’t…and then when someonr shows them how cool macs are…they get mad and turn to geeks like Enderle to make ’em feel better. They usually say intelligent things like “oh yaa…Bill Gates is the richest man on earth ” !! Huh…I firmly believe if Ballmer came up with a free bag of poop promotion…Enderle would remark …” Apple is losing market share in the poop sector…” And then all those PC dorks would go “Yaaaaaa…”
hey! wasn’t the retail channel the best way to hawk Consumer electronics?
yea! you’re not gonna buy freakin 30 inch TV over the web… you gotta touch it and sit in front of it… etc
oh well.. gateway wants to play the shitty pc commodity game..
oh well, just don’t come out wih a dell dj, and you’ll be fine, gateway..
gateway?!
“refer to me as eMachines from now on..”
MDN, in 6 months, can you remind us about this article? October 2nd. And when October 2nd comes and Gateway doesn’t turn around, this guy won’t mention anything…
And Apple is going out of business soon, isn’t that true?
When Apple was beleguered, Apple was to die. When Gateway is beleguered, Gateway will reinvent itself. OK. Got that.
Before you judge, visit my website to get the full story and not just some conveniently excerpted quote that suits MDN:
http://www.enderlegroup.com/profile.htm
Or, better yet, tell me what you think:
(408) 272 8560 Office
(408) 832 6326 Cell
(408) 904 5274 Fax
renderle@enderlegroup.com
The main place we’ll see a new Gateway is on the docket at the U.S. Bankruptcy Court.
Gosh, Rob, want an impressive resume that you have! Just oodles and oodles of words. Kinda reminds me of the old phrase “Publish or perish.” Sadly, it isn’t in the quantity of the work that matters, but the quality.
If in 6 months Gateway is nothing more than a memory you will have re-established your puny human frailty. If Gateway roars back with a vengeance then “Good guess, Rob!” because many of your previous pronouncements were nothing less than wrong, wrong, wrong.
Stick to reporting the news rather than predicting it, Rob.
I just checked out your website Rob, incidently I have previously read a lot of the articles that you have in your archives, prior to reading the comments of others that are posted on this forum. I have to say that I would tend to agree more with the comments posted on this forum than with the aricles you write. Also I noted that you seemed to have had a bit to do with every tech company EXCEPT Apple.
To compare Microsoft to Apple:
Microsoft is best at selling, marketing, and supplying through its massive distribution channels.
Apple innovates, designs, and creates new products that customers want to use. They just tend to trip over a bit when it comes to catering for supply to meet the demand although they are improving ( Touch wood).
In summary Rob, your website makes you sound like a “Legend in your own mind”
Thanks for the link it was an interesting read.
PS. Incidently I am a Windows XP owner and user of iTunes for Windows with a 20GB iPod and a Mac operator (my day job).
No iTMS in NZ yet!
Enderle and Thurrott both predicted that the iPOD Mini would be a flop.
That’s the level of credibility you are dealing with with those two clueless idiots.
My dream laptop at the moment…
eMachines 6809 running OS-X
My dream laptop at the moment…
eMachines 6809 running OS-X
Rob:
Not much you should be worried about on MDN – it’s not a significant website at all.
Its webmaster doesn’t do much other than render Mac-centric opinion on anything that can be twisted into Mac news… and its readers, the gullible that buy into such twistings.
Being in the market for a new PC (Mac or Windows), I’ve visited this site on occasion for about a month now. That it links to tech articles on other websites is about its only useful feature.
Rob:
Not much you should be worried about on MDN – it’s not a significant website at all.
Its webmaster doesn’t do much other than render Mac-centric opinion on anything that can be twisted into Mac news… and its readers, the gullible that buy into such twistings.
Being in the market for a new PC (Mac or Windows), I’ve visited this site on occasion for about a month now. That it links to tech articles on other websites is about its only useful feature.
Wow, M&PG; – a whole month. I’m impressed with your “sticktoitiveness” – how many stories have you read? Didja notice that not everything posted by MDN is syrupy-sweet goodness for the Mac? If this is such an insignificant site, why are you here posting? Just wondering…
As for your dream laptop – ewwwwww. Blech. Double-blech. Go find an Apple Store or, if there’s not one nearby, a CompUSA or Micro Center, and testdrive a PowerBook or iBook. Please. Quick.
BC… Took about 2 hours for someone to prove my point.
C’mon man, say something remotely interesting! Are you only good for playground logic?
BC… Took about 2 hours for someone to prove my point.
C’mon man, say something remotely interesting! Are you only good for playground logic?
Mac & PC Guy:
Since it appears that you have diligently searched the web for “useful” websites please list these in your next blog. I am sure that we would be amazed, astounded, and eternally grateful for revealing to us poor MDN bloggers your most meticulous investigations. Or, is it, that you can write trash and that�s about it?
M&PG; – sometimes one must read an awful lot of dreck before finding a gem of wordplay, and something useful. Don’t count on just one Mac addict to provide you with the lively discourse, if that is what you’re seeking. Be patient. And keep on reading other threads on this site and, hopefully, you’ll discover what you seek.
And it is rather amusing, at least to me, that you chose to avoid answering my questions… unless you consider them beneath you to respond. Sticking your tongue out and claiming “playground logic” means you’re on the playground with me – and anyone else that happens to be out here on the jungle gym!
The death of Apple has been greatly exaggerated, but the demise of Gateway was apparently a total surprise. I have scanned several websites and could not find a single article that predicted the collapse of the cow. Can anyone out there reference an article describing the impending or inevitable extinction of the Holstein? Do ya think that bias, ignorance, or just plain stupidity factor in most of the �news� and views published?
The death of Apple has been greatly exaggerated, but the demise of Gateway was apparently a total surprise. I have scanned several websites and could not find a single article that predicted the collapse of the cow. Can anyone out there reference an article describing the impending or inevitable extinction of the Holstein? Do ya think that bias, ignorance, or just plain stupidity factor in most of the �news� and views published?
Analyst Enderle: ‘Within six months, we will see a new Gateway’.
Brilliant analysis there, Rob. Right next to “water is wet” and “fire is hot”. Wish I had thought of that one. Still, I am not as confident and great as you so I’ll predict ‘Within 6 days, we will see a new Gateway’. Oooh, this gives me chills.
Blah, blah, blah. Nice, shiney, clean stores…but couldn’t hide the fact of what lies underneath.
Gateway PC’s are not good. Got a brand new one through my wife’s work at a nice discount. Nothing but hardware problems. We have a few at my work — again, nothing but hardware problems. Turned themselves into Packard Bell. But I still have an old 486 PB that runs just fine.
eMachines will be next.
BC:
It does take a lot of sifting to find useful posts. To be fair to you and other MDNers, the same occurs on just about every other PC board.
But sifting through many “Mac is better no matter what” posts does get a bit tiresome. Of course the other side to the same coin is the-just-as-pointless “Pc is better no matter what” posters.
So… all that is left really is to just read beyond the BS and pick up the little bits of genuinely useful posts that come from time to time.
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The reason for the name – Mac & PC Guy – is that I use both daily (5 PowerMacs and 2 PCs). For me, they’re about the same in just about all respects.
The reason I’d like my next box/laptop to be an Apple is a more a matter of software choice. FCP doesn’t run on a PC. OS-X doesn’t run on Intel/AMD. If either one ran on non-Apple, I’d go down that road.
For me, the prices Apple commands for its hardware are too far above what its PC equivilent would be.
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I’d still like that eMachines 6809 running OS-X & FCP… and since I talked about being fair… would prefer an Apple Powerbook priced similarly to that spec.
I wonder though… if OS-X ran on the eMachines 6809 … how many people would buy it?
BC:
It does take a lot of sifting to find useful posts. To be fair to you and other MDNers, the same occurs on just about every other PC board.
But sifting through many “Mac is better no matter what” posts does get a bit tiresome. Of course the other side to the same coin is the-just-as-pointless “Pc is better no matter what” posters.
So… all that is left really is to just read beyond the BS and pick up the little bits of genuinely useful posts that come from time to time.
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The reason for the name – Mac & PC Guy – is that I use both daily (5 PowerMacs and 2 PCs). For me, they’re about the same in just about all respects.
The reason I’d like my next box/laptop to be an Apple is a more a matter of software choice. FCP doesn’t run on a PC. OS-X doesn’t run on Intel/AMD. If either one ran on non-Apple, I’d go down that road.
For me, the prices Apple commands for its hardware are too far above what its PC equivilent would be.
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I’d still like that eMachines 6809 running OS-X & FCP… and since I talked about being fair… would prefer an Apple Powerbook priced similarly to that spec.
I wonder though… if OS-X ran on the eMachines 6809 … how many people would buy it?
Look at words Enderle chooses, �should�, �most�, �nothing is sure�. I think Rob left out �maybe�, �perhaps�, �if�, and �possible�. Hey, Rob, could you be just a little more obscure, vague, inexact, and imprecise?
Some people have a knack for understanding and explaining complex issues, however, Rob has the gift of restating the obvious.
Gateway Closes Stores, Future Strong for Apple Retail.”
http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2004/04/02/gatewayapple/index.php?redirect=1080979064000
The article explains how the Apple and Gateway stores differ.
Sick,
“maybe” enderle is high. “perhaps” he ate some mushrooms and saw a vision of a Gateway being profitable.
gates and son, WSJ march 26 reported on emachines Inouye becoming gtw head. Seemed clear that he was not there to pump up the retail outlets:
http://us.rd.yahoo.com/finance/external/wsj/SIG=11v792m49/
There were earlier indications too:
http://us.rd.yahoo.com/finance/external/cbsm/SIG=11g622ocl/*http://www.marketwatch.com/news/yhoo
maybe mdn shouldn’t be the source for your “news”
m&pc; guy, this is fun site, full of smart opinionated people, some of whom can write pretty well. What you are looking for, should you find it, will be boring, and affirm your preconceptions. Happy hunting.
Mac & PC Guy writes, “I wonder though… if OS-X ran on the eMachines 6809 … how many people would buy it?”.
There would most likely be quite a few people to purchase OS X for PC… but there would be more people who pirate it. Before I get blasted back with “Macs users pirate the OS too!”, that is very true…. Mac peeps pirate the OS too BUT, Apple has already recovered somewhat for that by the fact that the pirateor must have a MAC that supports the OS. So Apple has made some money off of the hardware sale of the computer. Take away the hardware sale… then the pirating hits hard!
So let’s add serializing to the install. GREAT, now I have to deal with the BS that Windows users go through… and Quark… and many other programs. I like being able to pop the CD and install my Mac without having to type a gabillion character serial code in.
If Apple make a version of X for PCs, it WILL be the death of Apple. PERIOD. Remember when Apple licensed the OS out to clone Macs? Not good times for Apple.
Longhorn will be the death of Apple.
Longhorn will be light years behind the New Mac OS when if finally is made commercial. Nice try, Bill.
Gateway is in trouble and has to close it’s retail outlets. This guy manages to say, in the same article, that Gateway will be OK soon because it closed it’s stores and that Apple is in the same trouble and is not going to be OK because it won’t close it’s stores. Enderle certainly is the Grand Master Bullshit Artist.
My resume speaks for itself: http://www.enderlegroup.com/profile.htm
Yeah, Rob, looks like ya can’t hold a steady job. Besides I’d rather let your own articles speak for you instead. The rank you write are more insightful to your lack of intellectual brilliance and your meager mental capacity than your hyper-inflated, ego-driven, bovine excrement resume.
Enderle prophecy and propaganda:
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1851,00.asp
http://www.technewsworld.com/perl/story/32336.html
http://www.enderlegroup.com/perspectives/pers_24.htm
http://siliconvalley.internet.com/news/article.php/3095861
Actual reality:
http://archive.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/02/08/30/020830hnapplex.xml
http://www.apple.com/itunes/
http://macartisan.typepad.com/cupertino/2003/12/dvorak_the_next.html
http://www.macobserver.com/appledeathknell/index.shtml
http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2003/10/22/mossberg/index.php?redirect=1081018001000
http://www.macobserver.com/comments/commentindivdisplay.shtml?id=43966
http://ptech.wsj.com/archive/ptech-20040401.html
Remember, this is the man who took one look at Starbucks selling mix CD’s, and dubbed it “the future of music”…
Rob, don’t be so sensitive. Calling you ‘The Grand Master Bullshit Artist’ was a compliment. Surely you have been called worse? What I would really like to know is which one of your many clients is paying you to diss Apple all the time? Is it Dell? Is it Microsoft? Is it both? Come on Rob. Spill the beans.