“You may have heard of Matthew Peterson, the individual behind the now infamous (and defunct) website flawednanoplayer.com. Matt is done complaining about his broken nano screen (now that Apple has given him a replacement) and has moved on to bigger and better things. Mainly harassing innocent Apple store employees about issues out of their control,” Clint Ecker writes for Ars Technica. “Matthew posted this excerpt on his website on 9/25/05 and while I think Matt might have had a legitimate complaint behind his LCD problem, his rhetoric and over the top attitude about the whole thing really shine in this little ‘sting operation’ he pulled.”
Ecker provides an excerpt from Peterson’s website:
Well I had gotten a few emails from people saying that the Nano’s in their local Apple store were severely scratched. I couldn’t believe that Apple would have scratched models on display. I have never seen a scratched iBook or PowerBook, so I decided to investigate for myself. There were several Nano’s on display. The one nearest me was a white model that looked like someone had taken a steel wool pad to the screen. You could barely see the LCD underneath through all of the scratches. When Amanda was finished speaking to a customer I started asking her questions. It went a little something like this:
Matt: This iPod looks really scratched. How did this happen?
Amanda: Well we have had thousands of people handling them.
Matt: This happened from people just touching it? They weren’t rubbing them on something or putting it in their pocket? Is it really this easy to scratch?
Amanda: Yes it can scratch easily but I don’t think that really matters.
Matt: Well most people buy an iPod for the look. You don’t think they are concerned with an iPod that scratches this easily?
Amanda: No, I mean I have an iPod for the music not how it looks, but if someone is concerned about scratching we do sell cases for them.
Matt: I have seen some sites on the internet where people complain of scratching and cracked LCD screens. Has your store had any returns for this problem?
Amanda: No it is still a new product. I don’t think we have had any returns yet.
Matt: So you sell a product that scratches easily, so that you can sell a case. That is a pretty good marketing strategy
Amanda: Well, that’s how they get you.
Matt: Interesting. May I have your card?
Amanda: Sure
Matt: By the way, I run a website that is collecting information from Nano owners about all of the problems they are having. I am going to post the information you have given to me on my website. I really hope you don’t lose your job. Have a good day.
Ecker writes, “Wow! Talk about a class act. Matt goes on to post the information on his website (taken down, but mirrored here) claiming that Apple’s official position on iPod nano scratching is ‘we’re screwing you and we don’t care!'”
Full article here.
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I’m still not convinced that there was not a bad batch of plastic used for the nano’s.. I have a white iPod and a mini and neither of them scratch like this…
What a scumbag.
I knew it! I just just KNEW IT!!! I’m switching to the Dell DJ right NOW!!!
What’s his address? I’m gonna go knock a couple of million dollars worth of stock off his face.
His info is listed doing a WhoIs search for flawedmusicplayer.com
Mike,
If you had a white iPod nano, you’d hardly notice the scratches. Its because its black that they show up so much.
I think this guy is just getting off on all the attention he seems to have drummed up by doing this. His attack on the Apple employee was ridiculous. He really just needs to get over himself. Sometimes, with mass produced products, there are problems. Nothing new here. His real problem seems to be that Apple didn’t fix it fast enough for him. Anyone who has worked for a large company knows that the bigger the company, the longer it takes to figure out what has happened in a situation like this.
The funny thing is, now he’s taking credit for having “forced” Apple to address the issue.
Let’s face facts. The guy is simply a prick trying to make a name for himself. What he’s doing is no different that what those two idiots in NY did when they vandalized iPod ads because they were ticked about their iPod batteries. His 15 minutes was just about up anyway, so it’s about time that he and his site went away.
Any normal person would have simply went to the Apple Store, showed them the damaged nano, and took home his free replacement and been happy with that. But this asslick wanted some personal recognition out of the whole deal, so he decided to get public about it. The internet is full of those types these days and the best we can do is just to ignore them so they’ll eventually crawl back under the rock from which they came.
Wow! this has to be a joke. I can’t believe people are STILL making a big deal out of this.
“…I have never seen a scratched iBook or PowerBook…”
Of course the floor models for the iBooks don’t look like the iPods. People don’t pick them up and handle them like they do the iPods.
“I have a white iPod and a mini and neither of them scratch like this…”
First of all, you can’t compare the mini with the nano because the mini is aluminum. Second, I’m sure your white iPod scratched Just as easily as your Nano (so lightly I might add judging from your photo). You probably didn’t notice it at first because it’s white and not black like your nano and you’re probably noticing your Nano’s scratches now because of all of this insanity. Honestly, was this a concern for you before Mathew Peterson set up his narcissistic website and dolts like him started flooding the Apple forums?
I normally don’t get all riled up about things like this. I’m not some mac elitist out to protect Apple no matter what. If this was a real concern, then yes, apple should do something about it. But its not real. I just can’t stand it when alarmist hyterics get out of control like this. Maybe it is FUD (read this entertaining opinion article: http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments_opinion/7025/).
But more than likely this is just another example of how people who LOVE to complain about anything will jump on the band wagon as quick as they can to cry “Me too! Me too!”
i just bought a dell dj and i love it. my brother got a nano and he steals my dell all the time just because it is better in all functions.
To David, I realize that black shows imperfections more than white, but my main concern is the screen. My white iPod DOES NOT have those marks, and it is two years old.
The scuff marks on my Nano are from cleaning with a tissue paper.
Look again at the photo, especially the menu part where it says Podcasts, you can see how it is difficult to read, it is also very noticeable when viewing photos. The hairline scratches begin to turn white and look like sandpaper was rubbed across the display.
All im saying is I haven’t had this problem with my other iPod screens and it does not seem right that a tissue should do this. And I certainly don’t think that I’m being un-reasonable to expect more from Apple.
No such thing as bad publicity: the UK’s BBC news carried this item as number 3 on the main evening news…
Started with about 70% of the nano TV advert and later showed a guy going into the Regent St store with a bust iPod (not a nano) and he said he was getting replaced and it was so cool he wouldn’t be without it!
Share drop = buying opportunity.
dell,
Dude, stop trolling.
I disagree, there is such a thing as bad publicity… Michael Jackson?
I will preface this by saying that I believe that Matthew had a legitimate issue and wasn’t treated properly on his initial contact with Apple. However, Apple did replace his unit and they appear to be taking care of the problem now.
But I get the distinct impression that Matthew now sees himself as a new Michael Moore. Sorry Matthew, but one Michael Moore is enough.
Mike,
Have you ever wiped your white iPod with the same tissue that you wiped your Nano with? Where is the photo with your white iPod next to your nano? I wonder if you were to take a photo of your white iPod with the same flash that was used to take the photo of your Nano that similar scratches would show up on the screen. Don’t forget to wipe it with a tissue first before you do it though. Be scientific about it. Don’t be so quick to make wild claims that a “bad batch of plastic” is to blame. Can you honestly say that you are 100% certain that that is whats going on here?
Again, If this was a real issue, then YES, absolutely Apple should do something about it. I’m still not convinced that it is.
this guy is an ass
“I really hope you don’t lose your job. Have a good day.”
I used to work at an Apple reseller and the reason I quit was I was tired of dealing with a-holes like this guy.
This is what happens when you give the vocal (and very vast) minority a public forum sometimes. They’ll blow what was in essence a limited manufacturing glitch way out of proportion and make it sound like every single unit out there is defective. And that’s precisely why you shouldn’t always be so quick to believe everything you read online.
There are glitches and problems with virtually every product sold from time to time, that’s why companies have things called warranties and return policies. All this clown had to do was to file a warranty claim and get a replacement, but instead he tried to make a mountain out of a mole hill…
Up until now I was ready to asign this guy an iota of credibility. But pulling a stunt like that is above and beyond disgusting. If she does lose her job over this I wouldn’t mind helping her to take this guy’s ass to court.
Mike, I’m very curious about the photo displayed on the linked page. The scratches seem to be circular in orientation. Most of the scratches, but certainly not all, seem to line up as if from a single event.
I would have thought random scratches from handling, putting it into and taking it out of pockets, placing/sliding on several different surfaces and such over the multi week period you had it, etc., etc. would have producted a random pattern of scratches.
I’m at a loss to explain the regular pattern of the scratches displayed if I’m to only use random processes to create the scratches.
Please enlighten me. (And it’s NOT just the lighting effect. I deal with lighting effects on a scientific basis regularly and this is not just a lighting effect.)
Could Apple have made the iPod nano more scratch resistant? Yes. They could have coated the entire unit with a thin layer of man-made sapphire. But then it would have been so costly no one would buy one. Apple may yet move to an iPod nano second generation with a more scratch resitant surface. I hope so.
David: I will post pictures of my white iPod when I get home from work. It’s two years old and I assure you it does not look like the Nano.
Shadowself: The scratches are from an attempt to remove fingerprints with a regular Kleenex tissue. Yes, I only did this once after I saw the damage it caused.
Why are you wiping your screen with a Tissue? use a Lense cloth! Something that won’t scratch surfaces. I mean, would you wipe your glasses or camera lense with a Tissue? of course not!
i have the nano, the mini and the dell dj. favorite one: dell. face it mac you will never catch up. vista is going to be the best thing since the microchip was invented
Whew, MDN you guys are worse than a bunch of Republicans going after some left winger.
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why was his site taken down? did he do it or the Apple secret police????
Hmm. My watch crystal got a major scratch after about a year of use. Should I be outraged? Or maybe, just maybe I should have been more careful?
I like how this guy is trying to get Apple to improve the iPod, and everyone in here responds by calling him names.
It’s not like he was eating babies or something. He was just bringing to light how easy to scratch the iPod is, and how Apple doesn’t care as long as people keep buying it.
I love my iPod, and I would love it even more if it didn’t get badly scratched up by being kept in the pocket of my cotton shorts all by itself.
As you already know jadistwo, the only view you get with vista is the tail-lights of Tiger.. then Leopard… then.. Good laugh you give us though.
Noella, In my experience (apart from my Nano one,) I’ve never known tissue to cause damage. I don’t wear glasses, but yes, I have wiped my camera lens, LCD and previous iPods with tissue. Never had this problem.
Shadowself,
I’m pretty sure that the highly scratch-resistant coating on my eyeglasses, which cost me an extra $19.95, is not man-made sapphire. I wipe my glasses on my cotton shirts all the time and they are not scratched at all.
By the way people, tissues are typically made from paper products, so they are much more abrasive than cotton fabric. I wouldn’t wipe my eyeglasses with tissues, but cotton fabric is fine since they are pretty tough. For my camera lenses, motorcycle visor, iPod, and PowerBook screen, plush microfiber cloth is the only way to go to avoid damage.
“He was just bringing to light how easy to scratch the iPod is”
Nick,
He was making a big fuss about that fact that his screen broke. A problem he could have easily remedied by calling Applecare. His website attracted negative nacys like flies to fly paper once the media got hold of it and turned it into sensational “news”. Buy some plastic polish and stick your Nano in protecctive case and stop crying if you care so much about the cosmetics of your iPod. Other wise suck it up and enjoy the music. That IS what the iPod is for. Right? Playing music?
this just in….
this is really Rob Enderle!!!
Matthew Peterson:
“Ooh, lookit me! I’m famous ’cause I’m all whiny ‘n bitchy!”
geez. give some people a computer and web access and look at what happens. just like most of the people here said… use AppleCare, buy a case and be more gentle with your stuff.
whiny bastid.
Hmmm… Matt, Nick, Mike….
They must have all been born in families where the runt wasn’t given any attention and thought it deserved more….
That is if they are in fact different posters.. which I highly doubt.
Suck it up guys and get a life. Take a little personal responsibility and stop thinking that everyone owes you something!
Nick, the hard coat on some high end glasses is a thin layer of man made sapphire vapor deposited onto the lenses. (A neighbor owns an optical coating company. I checked with him. There are several different vapor deposited coatings for hardness, several for anti-reflective, several for anti fogging, etc. The selection is often cost driven.)
An interesting point most people don’t know is that several brands of facial tissue have clay embedded into the paper. The dry clay acts like sandpaper on many surfaces. People should never use facial tissue (unless the know exactly what’s in it) to clean or polish any very high gloss surface or any optical surface. I saw a person destroy a front surfaced mirror valued at a few tens of thousands of dollars with one swipe of a Kimwipe (sp?) tissue. He never did that again.
Mike, it’s very possible you’ve used a purely wood tissue that has been bleached and otherwise treated so that the wood fibers are very soft — and one that has absolutely no clay or other abrasive fillers. You were lucky. My experience is the only safe way to go is as Nick suggests, use microfiber cloth. You can pick it up in many of the big box stores and can even sometimes find it in grocery stores.
I definitely believe Apple should have made the iPod nano more scratch resistant (just as they should have used a different flow process on the Cube to minimize the seam). However, how resistant is enough? No noticeable scratches (say from a jeans pocket) for 1 month? 3 months? 6 months? a year?
Mike,
Then you take that risk. I wear glasses and I have a nice SLR Camera and an Apple 20 inch display. Under no circumstances should you be wiping those things with Tissue. People who wipe their glasses with tissue are lazy and definitely have scratched glasses. I mean, if you wipe your nose a few times, it turns red and if you wipe it more, it’ll start to bleed. Tissue is like sand paper on sensitive items. And tissue comes in different grades…but even the softest ones will scratch LCD displays and your iPod screens.
You probably have scratches on your camera lens, you just don’t know it. Tissue is not soft. At least now you know. I bet many people are like you and assume things like Tissue will be okay to wipe their iPod with. But, the real problem is that none of the cases are available yet so people are walking around with unprotected Nanos.
The site is flawedmusicplayer.com (not flawednanoplayer.com) – and it’s not down or defunct…
Unfortunately, having had his 15 minutes of ‘fame’ he’s got addicted to publicity. Sad case.
He now needs a stiff ignoring for several months or years until he’s overcome his addiction
Wow, what a jerk!
I really hope that girl doesn’t lose her job over something that stupid.
Ya, the iPods at the Apple Store in NYC have scratches. But that’s because of how many people visit the place everyday. They aren’t careful with them. They drop them on the tables. If there are smudges, they wipe the on their jeans. I’m careful with my iPod. The number of scratches on iPods at the Apple store is what most people get on their iPod in a year. Its mainly because of the sheer number of people that handle them.
Shadowself,
I really dig your additional info! I didn’t know about clay content in tissues, and I didn’t know that my cheap scratch-resistant coating on my eyeglasses was made-made sapphire (I would have expected anything made of sapphire to cost more than $19.95 for four sides of coating). Hopefully Apple will eventually use some such coating, since anything would be way better than what they are using now.
I used to use standard microfiber cloth, until I found the plush kind of microfiber cloth. It looks more like a tiny bath towel, but is made of microfiber. It’s totally amazing, leaves no streaks at all on optical glass and LCD screens.
” just bought a dell dj and i love it. my brother got a nano and he steals my dell all the time just because it is better in all functions.”
i ate your mother’s *** out last night. it’s a lot better than the dell dj
Mark,
Thanks for the personal attacks, that’s really cool.
On a side note, I was more concerned with the Apple store’s iPod nano display models being all scratched up from customers handling them for a few days than with the cracked screen. Had you read my post, I’m sure you would have noticed.
Maybe the Apple stores should request that all customers abide by the following rules to avoid scratched up demo iPod nanos:
1) remove all hand/finger jewelry prior to handling.
2) do not wipe iPod nano on anything, including cotton cloth.
3) have one of our employees trim and file your nails prior to handling.
4) do not put the iPod down anywhere unless there is a microfiber cloth underneath it.
“Mark,
Thanks for the personal attacks, that’s really cool…”
they really were cool you self-absorbed p***y
no one knows how to eat it like my boy!
Actually finger nail is probably what scratches iPods the most. Nails are hard! If you’re fishing for it in a bag or pocket, you might accidentally scrape it with your nail and not know it.
But anyway, I’m not going to get another iPod until they come out with a Video iPod. I don’t need something small, I need something with a larger storage!
Apple sells an ipod “sock”, it might keep the nano from scratching. That’s what I am using till some other cases come out. I forget it all the time and end up treating my nano like that egg-baby project from my high school days.
hey, got back from best buy taking my ipod photo back AGAIN. this is the third ipod i’ve had to exchange. first a 30 gig photo after 3 months and then a 60 gig after 10 days. in both cases, they simply quit working and started making tiny clunking sounds.
man, i LOVE my ipod, but damn, don’t get one without applecare or a store extended warranty!
“Any normal person would have simply went to the Apple Store, showed them the damaged nano, and took home his free replacement and been happy with that.”
Had you actually read my site you would see I did take it back to a store and was told it wasn’t covered. So much for your precious Apple making it right for the customer. As far as the employee she chose her words. Do you really think Apple wants someone like her working for them and saying these things to a customer? You are taking it completely out of context. By the way she said it in front of a dozen other people, she had no expectation of privacy, and was given an opportunity to say she didn’t want it on the site, so get over yourselves. It is so funny to me. Apple has admitted this problem, and is fixing this problem, and yet somehow I am still an asshole. Well if your Nano screen breaks and you get it fixed you remember that I helped with that. Before me Apple said no to everyone. So do I deserve some credit? Yeah! By the way, the media contacted me, I never contacted them, so to say I was doing this to make a name for myself couldn’t be farther from the truth. Just like the person who keeps calling the media and saying I work for Microsoft or Creative and that is the only reason I made the site. People are still doing this AFTER APPLE ADMITS TO A PROBLEM. Who is the real asshole here? The person helping the innocent consumers who got nowhere with Apple or the people trying to shoot down that person? Hmmm……. By the way from the emails I am getting from people who sent emails to my site they are all getting replacements, and they are thanking me. Seems kind of difficult to think that I had nothing to do with it, yet these people are thanking me for my time and effort. Why don’t you people get off your fat lazy asses and make a difference in the world instead of posting “news” to an unethical website claiming to be real news.
it is absolutly beyond me why all you people are defending apple on this. the iPod scratches way too fast and to much. i have a panasonic lumix with a 2,5″ screen and a black plastic back. though i often wear it in my pocket without a cover there are no scratches on the screen or the back, after 6 month of using it! why can’t apple do this if panasonic can? why defending apple for a bad material-decision. i don’t wonder why people call us a cult, if we react like this.
by the way i am a mac user since 1993 and i have an iPod mini which is absolutly fine, no scratches after more than one year.
ralph–is it possible you are more careful?
Many of the people posting an this topic claim that the other ipod models scratch as well. User handling must be a factor, and the extent of this problem is still unknown. If one accepts Apple’s numbers, this is a tempest in a teapot. If one does not accept Apple’s numbers, then there needs to be a documented independent estimate.
Kudos to matt for taking action and forcing Apple’s hand in this matter. Shame on matt for threatening an Apple employee and boasting about it on his website.
Wax that baby. (The ipod, not Matt.) I use F21 from Turtle Wax. Great protection.