“Apple, a company that counts Al Gore among its board members and whose CEO once dated Joan Baez, found itself the unlikely target of an advertising boycott campaign this week,” Philip Elmer-DeWitt reports for Fortune.
MacDailyNews Take: Also, whose co-founder Steve Jobs agrees with Rush Limbaugh (as do we) that U.S. public schools are ‘unionized in the worst possible way’. So, maybe it’s not so unlikely, after all (just adding a missing color to the portrait Elmer-DeWitt’s trying to paint).
Elmer-DeWitt continues, “The issue is an iPhone ad that appeared on the Aug. 7 broadcast of the Glenn Beck show on the Fox News Channel.”
“Under pressure from advocacy groups, more than a dozen companies, including ConAgra, Geico, Procter & Gamble and Progressive, have pulled their commercials from the conservative commentators’ show,” Elmer-DeWitt reports.
“The boycott was launched last month by ColorofChange.org after Beck made remarks on Fox and Friends that labeled President Obama a ‘racist’ with a ‘deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture,'” Elmer-DeWitt reports. “The campaign was picked up by democrats.com, which provided its members with a list of advertisers and an e-mail form letter that threatens to stop buying the sponsors’ products as long as they advertise on Fox News.”
“Although the boycott began after Beck’s July 7 remarks about Obama’s alleged racism, it was broadened by democrats.com into an attack on Fox News and what it calls the cable network’s campaign of ‘outright hate-mongering and incitement of violence’ following Obama’s election,” Elmer-DeWitt reports.
Full article here.
MacDailyNews Take: Obviously, they’ve never watched Olbermann. Like most people. Or, those that have watched him, happen to agree with him, so they fail to identify it as “outright hate-mongering and incitement of violence.”
We try to watch bits from all sources. It’s often great fun regardless of the politics they happen to be peddling; you can sometimes catch interesting and telling looks in the faces of those participating. TV political shows strike us as a rather nasty game to play, but they can still be fun to watch, if you know which brand each is selling and what to look for.
As for this Glen Beck business. We’re not picking sides here. We haven’t seen the full Beck video. However, we consider any boycott to be free speech and we will – as you might guess – back free speech any damn day of the week, regardless of who’s speaking. We’re just pointing out the blatant hypocrisy, that’s all.
Daily Kos surmises that any ads that were pulled “were replaced by advertisers that probably didn’t even know that their ads would be aired during the Glenn Beck show. Advertizers like Apple who in all likelihood bought ad money on Fox News on the cheap during latenight, but who due to the vaccume of advertizing on Beck’s show, had their ads instead moved to the more expensive primetime slots of the Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity shows. For more proof of this, anyone who is DVR’ing Beck’s show as a part of this boycott can jump to minute 56 of today’s (Friday, Aug. 7) 5PM show and see an ad for the Apple iPhone.”
Daily Kos reports, “Apple never used to have any ads on the Glenn Beck show. Their ads mostly showed up mid afternoon or very latenight on Fox News, and sometimes on the O’Reilly Factor, but never during either Glenn Beck or Sean Hannity. In all likelihood, Apple’s ads purchased for very late night airings were moved free of charge to more lucrative spots, without Apple’s knowledge.”
MacDailyNews Take: Obviously, Apple should carefully target their ad buys and, if they’re buying them in such a way that they do not know exactly where they are airing, then they should rethink their ad placement strategy. They have enough cash to steer clear of the cheap buys.
Full article here.
MacDailyNews Take: Again, we’re not picking sides here, but taking what we know about the treatment of Apple over the years — and without seeing in full exactly what Beck said and how he said it — we’d guess that the real problem that some people have isn’t so much about what Glen Beck said, but more about his continuing success in the ratings. Those who are perceived to be “dangerous” by the opposition are the ones who are attacked most: Apple (upsets the status quo in multiple markets), Glenn Beck, Barack Obama, Newt Gingrich (back in the day), Bill Clinton (back in the day), Sarah Palin, Hillary Clinton, Rush Limbaugh, etc.
We’d arrive at exactly the same conclusion if the show in question were deemed to be “liberal” and faced a “conservative” boycott.
[Thanks to MacDailyNews Reader “Fred Mertz” for the heads up.]
MDN Take: Horse feathers!
“Apple’s ads purchased for very late night airings were moved free of charge to more lucrative spots, without Apple’s knowledge.”
If the boycott actually works, it sounds like the prime ads space might be LESS lucrative. Whoops.
Fox “News” is more of a fear mongering organization with a side order of hate mongering.
Remember, Faux News is a propaganda arm of the Republican Party, no more, no less.
MDN obviously has obviously Never watched KO either, otherwise he never would have made such a dumb statement in the MDN take.
MDN, here’s a short summary of GB’s comments: he called the president a racist and said he believes he has a deep hatred for white people. A half white president, raised by white grandparents with majority whites in his administration, yet he has a “deep seeded hatred for white people”? Such statement would be hilarious if they weren’t so mindless and destructive, in the sense that Fox News isn’t exactly as “fair and balanced” as their tag line suggests.
Any advertiser who pulls ads from GB’s show is right to do so. Just because GB is exercising his freedom of speech doesn’t mean we don’t have the right to not tolerate his bullsh*t.
It is free speech. If you don’t like it, don’t watch it. And if your company doesn’t like it, don’t advertise on the shows you don’t like.
Advocacy groups are part of the ongoing problem in America.
I agree with the Daily Kos thinking on this, with that number of high profile advertisers deciding not to have their products advertised on Beck’s bullshit show, they will slide others into the empty slots.
We do that in magazine advertising too, where an advertiser pays for a certain spot and sometimes gets bumped up to a better slot for reasons of an original advertiser dropping out.
Beck is pandering to the knuckle-dragging morons that still believe all the bull being put out by fringe political hacks who’s only role is to stir the pot of racial intolerence.
Regardless of your political views — left or right — it is irresponsible of a ‘main-stream’ TV presenter to incite violence like this nutcase does. He has simulated pouring gasoline over a person, pretended to poison a Nancy Pelosi character, called the first black president of this country a racist and acts as a rabble-rouser, complete with fake ‘tears’ for the “love of his country”.
I’m glad the boycott campaign is a success and yet surprised that Apple – a widely-known democratic contributor — advertises at all on Faux News.
Shit! We can’t seem to stop Fox News’ O’Reilly, Hannity and Beck.
Their rating just keep skyrocketing no matter how many failed sportscasters and androgynous lesbians we throw on the air.
I’ve got it! Advertiser Boycott! The old standby. They can have quadruple our ratings, but if nobody pays them for it, we win!
Maybe they’ll cancel those shows and put on ones that espouse increased government control, higher taxation, and all of the other stuff we love!
I disagree with MDN, a boycott is not censorship of free speech, not at all. In fact, it’s with your dollars that you can vote on whether you agree with something or not. That’s called the free market.
I don’t like Beck, or Fox “News” but I don’t think a boycott is even called for simply because people should realize what this station and what Beck is. They are shameless opportunists that merely pander to a certain segment of society, and they do so by falsely whipping people into a fear-induced frenzy.
Step 1: whip people into a frenzy
Step 2: watch those same people tune in every night
Step 3: profit.
“Again, we’re not picking sides here”
OMG, are you kidding? Let the war of words begin hit whore MDN. Get ready to start deleting post from the left to make it look like most Mac users are right wight neocons!
@ericdano,
if it weren’t for advocasy groups, blacks would still be slaves, women wouldn’t have the right to vote, and social security, Medicare or the VA would not exist. Try again.
Hey MDN – stick to computer news and not politics.
Like most of America when it comes to politics, you are not working with enough info so you end up causing more problems than fixing them.
Just sayin…
It’s important to remember how the Dixie Chicks were blackballed by Clear Channel, et al., for saying they were “ashamed the president of the United States is from Texas.”
No threat, no personal attack – just a statement how the Dixie Chicks *felt* about Bush calling Texas his home, and yet Republicans and their shills did everything they could to destroy their careers.
@ Dem Operative. Careful. Too much truth in your comment may cause some of the more unbalanced Libs heads here to explode!
Unless, of course that’s your goal. If so, good job!
I fail to see your comparison of the Keith Olbermann show to the Glenn Beck show. The Olbermann show does push back on some of the outrageous things said on Fox News and the Beck show but they have never – never – (not even close) said the hateful untrue things that is regularly paraded as news on Fox, Beck, & Co. I have watched both shows on numerous occasions. I used to regularly watch Beck before he moved to Fox News and started his level of outrageous commentary, untrue facts and hatefulness.
MDN, I propose that we keep this site politic-free, and do what you do best, that is report and comment on Apple and related news and events. Glenn Beck and other politically related commentary is not part of that sphere in my view.
MDN
Your assertion that you have not watched Glenn Beck’s statements particularly the one that advocates that Osama Bin Laden should detonate a nuclear weapon in the US so that the Republicans will regain power, indicates rank stupidity on your part.
Anyone who feels that our favorite fruit company should be supporting this guy really isn’t thinking things through. (Oh wait, wingnuts don’t think)
@ignorance is fear:
Reread the MDN take. It says, “…we consider any boycott to be free speech…”. So you actually agree on that point.
I am a shareholder in Apple, a strong Republlican and I love Fox News.
I vote against Gore on the board of Apple every year.
I will not join this boycott against Apple. I continue to boycott the rest however.
I like Beck. I can only handle so much of him, but I think he’s spot on. I think Fox News in general could improve by doing more investigative journalism and not leave the fact finding up to people like Beck. Anyone who doesn’t see the political revolution coming has their head in the sand. Government has awakened the sleeping majority and we will not rest until all the progressives have been replaced.
First, Apple is usuallyvery targeted with it’s ads and the shows it places ads on – show whose viewers meet it’s target demographics. Apple doesn’t just buy a bunch of latenight slots and hope it gets moved to more watched shows. You don’t have to do that when you have $31B in the bank.
Second, regardless of your political views, what Beck said was absolutely stupid. TV Rule #1: never start a race war. The only time you can call someone a racist is if they did something so obviously racist that they deserve it (say, by example, if Beck or Olberman called Jesse Jackson the “N” word on air).
What Beck did was stupid and he could get fired over it (people have been fired for less). It’s just sad (and predictable) how each side jumped all over this and made it into much more than it is – a talking head who spouted off too much on the air.
“MacDailyNews Take: Again, we’re not picking sides here, but taking what we know about the treatment of Apple over the years — and without seeing exactly what Beck said and how he said it — we’d guess that the real problem that some people have isn’t so much about what Glen Beck said, but more about his continuing success in the ratings.”
I’ve been coming to MDN religiously since 2003 to get my Mac news. I also enjoy the vast majority of the MDN takes. This one, however is hands down the dumbest MDN take I’ve read so far. I doubt very seriously this boycott has anything to do with GB’s ratings since GB, Hannity and O’reilly’s popularity are politically not so relevant, since their viewers consist of an ever shrinking part of the electorate. Fox News is a hit among those who didn’t vote for Obama and Democrats anyway.
Oh well, I guess I have to get my Mac news somewhere else now…
We bank on people’s inability to read dispassionately.
For example: The MDN Take above supports the right of the boycotters over all else, but because they also point out the hypocrisy and suggest the real root cause are not Beck’s words, but his huge ratings, the Libs can’t even understand what’s being said.
This is part of how we bamboozled people into voting for an ultra-liberal neophyte senator who spent most of his one term out on the road campaigning and sneaking cigarettes.
This what I sent to Media.help@Apple.com and to Mr. Jobs
I am alarmed as a shareholder and customer that Apple would knowingly fund and support the hate speech that is used on a daily basis on these programs. Please re-evaluate your ad spending to reflect the quality of the company. It is inappropriate that someone who advocates that Osama Bin Laden detonate a nuclear weapon in the US just so the Republican party can regain power is supported by Apple.
Please stop.
I encourage you to do the same.
@twodales,
Perfect.
This is about cutting of dissenting speech not about cutting of “hate” speech. If anyone has listened to Keith Oberman’s show realizes the he promotes hatred, this is really an ideology battle. The Daily Show with Jon Stewart and the Colbert Report are similar ideologically driven shows but what makes them worse is the hid in comedy. They attack people personally because they are not liberal (or elite) every single show. All three of those shows insight people to hate people who are conservative thinker.
Please ignore my two posts above. They were not meant for public consumption.
I am neither left nor right, but Glenn Beck is a lunatic. The equivalent of the village idiot, he should have been shunned and relegated to the edge of public discourse a long time ago. As with most of the ridiculous talking heads on TV that get ratings through fear, intimidation, bullying and outright lying.
Sorry MDN, but the political posts are just too much. You just lost another reader.
Faux News is doing everything it can to delegitimize the election of Barack Obama as president.
And they love fabricating the “news” to do so.
MDN,
You are conservative assholes who think that people should keep more of their own money, that government should spend much more wisely, and that people who are capable of caring for themselves should do so while helping those that cannot via charity work, not government-controlled, wasteful programs funded by confiscatory, economy-deadening over-taxation.
I hate you!
Goodbye forever!!!
Less of yr opinion MDN and more news, please.
Jen
@ Dem Operative. Careful. Too much truth in your comment may cause some of the more unbalanced Libs heads here to explode!
Unless, of course that’s your goal. If so, good job!
UMMMM . . . . Note to both of you. TV ratings do not equate directly with truth, accuracy, or in any way supplant the true mood of the general population.
Is Glenn Beck is the Republican Michael Moore, only full of hot air and fake concern instead of solid research and reasonable arguments. I am sure we all live in a different dimension to the one he thinks we are in.
So Obama has a deep hatred for white people? I guess all those white people who voted for him got fooled. If I voted for him I would be either scared or angry right now. Is there a news network that could keep me informed about the best way to protect myself and my loved ones?
Apple has its toes in the republican market and would not pay for this ad if it was trying to show support for Glenn Beck and his views.
My money is on Glenn Beck taking a turn to politics, further marginalising the white right and maybe even making Sarah Palin seem credible and reasonable.
I’ll bet that 99% of the folks on here criticizing Fox have never watched it for more than a couple of minutes. There’s no “hate speech” on Fox, especially by Glenn Beck. I saw the clip in question. It was not hate speech. Try watching a few days. You might learn something.
Bush was constantly called a racist, why can’t Obama be one? Because he’s black? That’s hypocritical. He’s certainly given us enough doubts with statements like “typical white person,” in addition to Reverend Wright.
MacDailyNews,
You are a bunch of Liberal fsckheads who support the boycott of The Glen Beck Show, along with redistribution of wealth, taking from achievers to support the dregs of society, and socialism in general.
I hate you!
Goodbye forever!!!
Glenn Beck is living proof that this country needs vast improvements in the quality and availability of mental health care.
I don’t come to MDN to real about your politics. I come here expressly to stay away from politics. I have been reading MDN happily for quite some time and only now got an account so I could post my unhappiness.
But since you brought it up. Glenn Beck has:
(1) joked about poisoning the Speaker of House
(2) lied continuously about the “death panels” which are no more than living wills.
(3) has called the President a racist
(4) lied repeatedly about Sonya Sotomayor, the Supreme court justice.
and on and on and on. In short, he is a right wing extremist. And he has every right to be.
And I have every right to tell his corporate sponsors that by sponsoring him, they lose my business.
In short this has NOTHING to do with Apple save for the fact that they have advertised, and probably inadvertently, on his show.
Given the composition of Apple’s market, I am surprised that they even considered placing ads on Fake News. Their market is obviously largely up-scale consumers, many of whom detest the likes of O’Reilly, Limbaugh and Beck.
tz,
The true mood of the general population bodes very well for Republicans and Conservatives, not Democrats and Liberals:
http://tinyurl.com/obama-failing-bigtime
OK, I see it. MDN, and alter ego Steve Jack, is a right-wing republican, and a Mac zealot. And Olbermann as a hate-monger? Talk about projection!
Excellent takes, MDN!
@ violet
Yeah, that last election sure did go well for Conservatives and Republicans. What was that, like months ago now?
“Beck made remarks on Fox and Friends that labeled President Obama a ‘racist’ with a ‘deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture,'”
Assuming this is true, and I do, my comment is that this sort of rhetoric has no place in civil discourse. There is plenty to disagree with as far as this President is concerned without stooping to questioning motives and tarring him with the racist epithet. Beck should break down the problems with the policies, which is easy enough to do, and eliminate his character attacks.
MDN’s comment about Olberman is quite true however. I’ve watched his show enough to know what a lying, vile bastard he is.
Let us take a moment to thank God for providing us with the progressive, liberal, radical, Democratic, wacko hippies who created Apple computers in progressive, liberal, radical, Democratic, wacko hippie Northern California.
News organizations are not objective observers reporting the facts without judgement, haven’t been for years. Hearst started a war to sell papers. Morrow fought McCarthy. The news hid Roosevelts polio, Kennedys affairs and villifies every administration. There isn’t a news organization I trust to give me the truth.
@ Wake Up
Agreed. In fact GB raises issues of how the left is funded and its objectives obtained. Coming from someone who spent long periods in communist Eastern Europe, I believe I have a clear eye for the threats posed by socialists. Beck has educated me on issues like the “Progressive Movement” – and I have two graduate degrees and am well travelled. As for tired claims of racism from the likes of me or Beck, get a life. I routinely host cadets (for four year periods) from Algeria, Tunisia, Pakistan, Senegal, and Madagascar. I will not, and do not tolerate racism or religious intolerance or any other form of bigotry. Can you name callers from the left say the same? While I may not agree with everything he says, I’ve never seen a racists comment on his show. Watch Beck for a week and see if you can really spot the racism.
I’d had inklings that the operators of this site were not people with whom I’d care to associate. Now that the point is proven, I’ll get my Apple news elsewhere.
Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity have gone beyond free speech and are in dangerous territory. They are inciting violence against the president and congress persons and on the verge of outright sedition.
Elections have consequences. The republicans lost. They can try again in 2010 and 2012. Best of luck to them then.
Fox News and Glenn Beck and O’Reilly are the ONLY media programs that are not in the bag for Obama. If you look at the town hall meetings and the President’s meetings you might note the this whole furor seems to have black v white underpinnings. The USA is in a dangerous situation right now in my opinion.
@Lets [sic] be honest here,
They are the fawning corporate media.
“The Daily Kos ” is squeeky clean? Give me a break!
I’m sorry, but the libs are completely and utterly full of shit on this one. The hypocrisy is absolutely astounding. Apparently, spewing disgusting, vile, hatred is OK for the likes of Janeane Garofalo, Michael Moore, Keith Olbermann, and their ilk, but it’s not OK for Glenn Bake to call President Obama a racist – which he clearly IS on some issues. Why was it OK for everybody to call President Bush a racist (and much worse), but calling President Obama a racist is grounds for a boycott? I know! Because they’re damned hypocrites!
Besides, this boycott isn’t about any sort of principle… It’s just about the left attacking competing ideologies with whatever weapon they have at their disposal.
A boycott is NOT “voting with your dollars”. “Voting with your dollars” is personally choosing to purchase products (or not). Right or wrong, boycotting is an organized attack on those you disagree with.
Finally, Beck or Hannity DO NOT “incite violence any more so than do Olbermann the like. This is just pure bullshit from the ultra left.
Man, I’m so sick of the “winger” extremists on both sides. They’re all like a bunch of damn children, pointing fingers at everybody else and incapable of admitting any fault of their own.
The fact that people from both sides, left and right, are incensed over MDN’s Takes proves that MDN is spot on target.
Thanks MDN for always telling it the way you see it!
I’m boycotting MDN because its clearly supportive of FAUX BULLSHIT.
What the fuck does public schools have to do with it. Keep your personal comments to yourself MDN and do Mac news. Most professionals have unions or professional organizations like the ADA, AMA, and NEA. Just copy and paste your freakin news and leave Unions and/or public schools out of it.
The whole point of Apple having ads is to sell products. I hate the fact that my choice of computers and smartphone, has a ultra green liberal (Al Gore) on its board.
I’m a ditto head, and believe that God made enough resources when He created the earth, so that we will never run out. So, what am I supposed to do? I believe Al Gore is more dangerous than Glenn Beck, as what Gore spews will actually have a negative effect on my way of life.
I do not participate in boycotts as a rule. All of the motives are never none. There is a public side to boycotts, what is told openly, but the whole story never is.
Also, as a rule, I try my best to do business with the best, and support those whom my beliefs for the most part line up with. My two highest rated are Apple and Fox.
It is sad that so many have been conditioned to accept MSNBC as truth and Fox as the lie. What do you think the MS in MSNBC stands for?
Thanks heavens we don’t have Fox over here in England.
We do have other things from Murdoch – newspapers and satellite channels, which all sing from their boss’s hymnsheet, but nothing as biased as Fox.
Speaking of free speech, has Obama set up any free speech zones? Oh, that’s right. That was Bush.
It can all be summed up by that idiot at the town hall meeting where she demanded that the government should stay out of her Medicaid. Classic.
Listening to neocons is like listening to a rape victim defending the rapist.
A boycott IS Free Speech. And, unfortunately, MDN IS taking sides by refusing to acknowledge being aware of what Beck has been saying and stands for. Rush Limbaugh owns a Mac but he is still a “big, fat, idiot”- and worse, a hate-mongering racist. MDN, despite my appreciation when they’re not being political, is politically right-oriented, and in times like these, when Beck makes people like O’Reilly and Coulter look almost sane in comparison, ignorance can be a dangerous thing- Sarah Palin is an example, the Birthers and other right-wing nuts are another. If we have Mac pundits coming out on their side or pleading ignorance, I may not stop buying Macs but I surely will stop reading their blogs. Also, I’m pretty sure that the only two things Steve Jobs and Rush Piggot agree on are school unions and Macs over Windows. Once again, I plead with MDN to cut out the right-wing commentary- it hurts the credibility and if you can be so biased and wrong on the political front, how can I trust you’re not simply blindly hateful of Microsoft and/or Google? Maybe the Zune isn’t a POS- it’s just one more spin by MDN. I hope not.
Actually, Olbermann is a terrible advocate for the “liberal” side of things, if indeed that’s what he is. I’m not sure he calls himself that, but he’s not a conservative either. He, like nearly all talking heads, rarely has his facts right, or at all. Or, he mocks people for the wrong things, or with the wrong things, like their gender, rather than their policy. In that, he’s much like Chris Matthews, a truly sorry millionaire excuse of a “journalist.”
Sorry, conservatives, but it appears you also enjoy being taken for rubes. Fox news, Limbaugh, Coulter, all of those people are unbelievably dishonest, yet you lap it up like a dog after milk.
Believe it or not, you have an antidote to all of this nonsense available to you at all times. It’s called a brain. When used properly, it employs reason and logic. With those two things, you can see that you should be doubtful of EVERYTHING you see and read, no matter the source. If it plays perfectly to what you already think, then you should be doubly doubtful. Fox news happens to be the worst in how it treats its viewers, but considering how pathetic they all are, that’s not saying a whole lot more than needs to be said about ABC, CNN, CBS, NBC and all their affiliates, all of whom are owned by corporations with agendas they feel free to push, including in the newsroom. PBS is slightly better, sometimes, but they regularly employ the same low standards as all the rest of the media.
Right-wingers get made fun of all the time because of the blazing ignorance so many display. A good, recent example is the right-winger screaming at his republican congressman to “keep his government hands off of his medicare.” It takes a special, deep-seated level of ignorance to think something like that, and you right-wingers should be ashamed, just like you should be ashamed Sarah Palin got anywhere near the whitehouse. She had to be the most appallingly inappropriate choice to be in national politics ever, and that IS saying a lot.
Unfortunately, Olbermann and Maddow are both poor advocates for liberalism, getting most of their facts wrong, not following through on important other things, getting sidetracked by stupid things like teabaggers and the like, anything to mock the other side with non-essentials.
Which is worse, mocking the other side with non-essentials, like the “liberals” do, or mocking the other side with lies, like the “conservatives” do? I have a hard time deciding, but an easy time being disgusted. Both sides are playing their respective audiences for rubes. Don’t participate.
–Ron
By the way, is MDN sayiong it watches Olbermann but is “unaware” of what Glen Beck had been saying? Look it up before commenting. And for those who truly believe that “G-d created the earth,” doesn’t mean we can’t destroy it. Al Gore does not stand alone. Talk to some scientists. Oh, I see, when it comes to science you’re atheists. Yes, God made the world invulnerable- just like Superman!
Regarding the boycott, my wife and I agreed there are some products that would be impossible to give up- I wasn’t aware Apple was on the list, but that would be one of them. Better yet- write the networks and stop watching the crap. Boycott Fox news! And Lou Dobbs! And the KKK!
Fox News: right-wing extremism cloaked in a red, white and blue sheet and hood.
And if you believe the drivel they spew, you should really look up what right-wing extremism is. If the channel isn’t right-wing extremism, then come up with a definition of what is right-wing extremism and examine whether Fox News falls under your definition. Or would that be too honest for you?
ecrabb, you are wrong. Constantly challenging the citizenship of Obama even though it has clearly been proven, saying he hates white people, and simply making up facts to spread their political message is not standard media white noise. It is inciting violence. Ideally asking no one in particular, “Will no one rid me of this man” is an incitement of violence. Words do mean something, and encouraging extremists to act and then proclaiming your innocents is not acceptable. Or do Republicans suddenly not support taking responsibility for your actions and words when they themselves are guilty? Only when others are guilty. Oh, wait, they didn’t give us the Iraq War, or the recession, did they? I sure never heard any of them take responsibility. They just suddenly only want to look to the future when they f**k up…
What? No mention of a boycott of Chris Matthews or Jack Cafferty? Really? According to them I’m a racist because I didn’t vote for Obama and I’m opposed to socialized health care. Each side has their nut cases and it is shameful the hypocrisy going on.
“Fox “News” is more of a fear mongering organization with a side order of hate mongering.”
“knuckle-dragging morons”
Those are intelligent words that are going to move and persuade people….. What ever happened to the “NEW” politics of hope and change?
Fox News exists for a reason – a LOT of views did not like what they were watching on CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, CNBC, or MSNBC. You think that by attacking the intelligence / physiology / political orientation of people you can actually get them to change there minds? Would insulting you change your mind? Make your best, well thought out and reasoned argument, AND be ready to accept that everyone will not agree with you. That does not make you superior, nor lessen them.
“Again, we’re not picking sides here…”
Oh, please. That’s laugh out loud funny. You don’t pick sides but you just had to post something that had only the tiniest relation to Mac news, then go on for a page bragging about Fox News’ ratings? Riiiiight.
As Thanxal said:
But since you brought it up. Glenn Beck has:
(1) joked about poisoning the Speaker of House
(2) lied continuously about the “death panels” which are no more than living wills.
(3) has called the President a racist
(4) lied repeatedly about Sonya Sotomayor, the Supreme court justice.
My issue with Beck’s comment is that it isn’t simply about ideology. It’s actually a cynical pandering to the seething, Obama-hate of his most rabid followers. The ones who really would think nothing of poisoning Nancy Pelosi, or screaming “Kill Him” about Barack Obama…or worse. In other words, it’s all about money.
The Daily Show’s Jon Stewart exposed Beck’s hypocrisy this week when he showed a clip of Beck viciously attacking the American healthcare system early in 2008 after he experienced painful complications from surgery.
Fast forward to today, when Beck cries and claims Obama is out to destroy “the best healthcare system in the world.”
Beck doesn’t actually care about healthcare. He’s a liar and hypocrite feeding the rage of his followers to boost the ratings MDN brags about in this post. It’s all about the money.
If you can’t vote a show off..Vote with your Dollars!
Don’t give them any!
Works every time!
It’s also time we cleaned up our acts as Americans. get these scum mofos off the air and get the hyocrites out of office.
Let’s have everyone benefit from now on..and let everyone have the same opportunities.
It’s time to Trickle Up!
Wow,
The perception from this boy is Oz is that the election is ’08 still going. I think I’ll have a break from baiting neo-cons for the moment and leave it to you yanks to battle it out. Oh and MDN’s RealDVD software piece was raging for days (http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/22067/) and that was just over healthcare.
By the way isn’t Fox the same company that is is part of the News Corporation that is haemorrhaging money. I guess they have deep pockets.
Meanwhile Rupert has recently bought a new yacht to while away the hours. Perhaps his business policies must be hurting because you can now rent time on the boat. Do I get deleted for this? I guess time will tell. Ho-hum.
Disappointed with MDN. Stay away from politics, or we may boycott you. Although you say you don’t take sides your comments barely veil where you stand.
I highly recommend Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg. Conservatives will enjoy it and progressives will have a hard time repudiating their political lineage to fascism. Keep up the good work MDN.
MDN: “and without seeing in full exactly what Beck said and how he said it”
Then youtube it prior to even considering having a take, maybe?
Verbatim quote from Glen Beck 6/30/09
“The only chance we have as a country right now is for Osama bin Laden to deploy and detonate a major weapon in the United States. Because it’s going to take a grassroots, bottom-up pressure, because these politicians prize their office, prize the praise of the media and the Europeans. Only — it’s an absurd situation. Again, only Osama can execute an attack which will force Americans to demand that their government protect them effectively, consistently, and with as much violence as necessary.”
I don’t care what political persuasion you are, this statement advocates using weapons of mass destruction on our citizens. If this isn’t hate speech I don’t know what is. Apple should not be funding this guy!
@ thanxal and Bizarro Jeff:
Spot on….
<b>We’re not picking sides here. We haven’t seen the full Beck video.<>
I have never had a problem with MDN’s take. Even tho it’s clear where they are coming from, MDN for the most part is as objective of possible. But this time, the take and the above quote are simply disengenuous.
There is absolutely no “context” to be understood here, no removed segue that changes Beck’s commentary. He flat out, for all to hear, with no modifiers, stated that President Barrack Obama was a racist and that he hated white culture. Beck is a liar, a demagogue and just a plain asshole and should be
removed from the airwaves.
The other conciet that sufferers of Fox News imposed delusion suffer from is the idea that centrist or left critics of Fox News are mirror images of, or just the same as the crazy shouting mouthpieces like Limbaugh, Hannity or Beck. This is painfully wrong and is in and of itself a lie. Micheal Moore is not the leftist equivalent of Rush Limbaugh. Kieth Olberman is not the mirror image of Bill Orielly. There is in fact no way to claim these sets of characters are complimentary or similiar in anyway. The most strident Olbermann television spot features no one screaming at guests, no repeated bald faced lying, and certainly no repeated claims of conspricacies and red baiting. And Micheal Moore never called Bush a Nazi, and unlike Limbaugh, Moore had no fixation on being fscked up the ass by the President.
Fox News is not news: it’s proaganda from the extremely narrow and
marginalized losers of the last US Presidential election. A lot more would get done in the US if Limbaugh and Fox and their loudest supporters just decided to STFU.
I rarely jump into political debates, but there is something that I would like to point out. Your going to have media slant in one direction or the other. To blatantly say that one is lying more than another is laughable. They all have their agendas and if you believe otherwise then you’ve already lost the game.
Never believe 100% anything that FOX, CNN, MSNBC, Dan Rather, etc. broadcast or put in print about politics. The News industry became a big business about 15 years ago, they decided to throw any true journalism out the window. They are in it for the money. Sensationalism is the name of the game. If they can’t “generate” the kind of news that is controversial or in your face, then they lose viewers and ratings.
Research a topic or a political candidate. Look at their track record, see what they do and say. The internet is your friend here. The problem isn’t the republicans or the democrats. The problem is both. You have extremist on both sides and unless we do something to change the playing field then its always going to be business as usual for these guys.
That’s all I got to say on the matter.
But since you brought it up. Glenn Beck has:
(1) joked about poisoning the Speaker of House
Yes, and the word joke….. You do realize his show is a comedy and political show.
(2) lied continuously about the “death panels” which are no more than living wills.
No he did not. He opened discussion about what was in a bill. Apparently you disagree with debating issues, and reading bills that you will be forced to follow if it’s passed???
(3) has called the President a racist
I don’t know if I would go that far, but he has surrounded himself with racists, such as his pastor. He listened to his pastor rail against white people for twenty years, and called him a mentor.
(4) lied repeatedly about Sonya Sotomayor, the Supreme court justice.
Name one lie. He has discussed her record…her PUBLIC RECORD. How is that a lie?
I love liberals who always preach tolerance. Then if anyone disagrees with them, they do the exact opposite.
Yes, the Fox News Channel in general has built their business on divisiveness (you can also interpret that as “outright hate-mongering”)
But I don’t (in most cases) agree with organized advertising boycotts. If a company decides on its own to do so, that’s their first amendment right. But to pressure others with threats to think the way you do is just another form of hate-mongering.
Besides, in this (obscurity is death) media world we live in today, boycotts often have the opposite effect.
@Quad Core
Read Beck’s June 30 statement and make an excuse for that one.
Fox News is not hate mongering news media. Anyone who would state such things never watches them. True hate mongering occurs on MSNBC… Fox isn’t the best news media, but they sure are better than all the rest.
I watched Glenn Beck’s comments and his show, he is not a racist, he is someone who feels we are losing our rights and Constitution. His observations about Obama’s views were based on who he associates with, who he goes after, and his decisions.
Like others I’ve always enjoyed reading Apple news and the MDN takes – but you seem to have missed this one by a country mile – and also injected a large amount of uninformed opinion.
I, for one, will no longer be contributing to this site, or helping its advertising revenue by using its adverts to link through to many stores I regularly use.
@ Quad Core
So you agree with Beck that bin Laden should detonate a bomb in the US?
His guest said that and he sat and nodded.
Lying has nothing to do with tolerance.
I’m glad to hear that normal, decent people – from both the right and left – are telling Fox we’re tired of hearing hate speech by their anchors. It’s fine to criticize the President of the United States, it’s another thing to do so filled with hate speech. I use to watch both MSNBC and Fox News up until shortly after the Obama’s win and have since boycotted Fox News. The vile that comes out of Fox is an utter disgrace to all Americans. Congratulations Fox – you have made a new Democrat!
MDN is laughing his way to the bank. We’ve all been snookered into comments back and forth, etc., so that MDN gets hits, this being a slow news day.
Oh, and I’m in with the others who aren’t coming back to MDN for Apple news.
Bye!
Libs are the biggest hypocrites on the planet and this story is just further proof of it. As MDN mentioned, Keith Olbersuck is 100x greater hate monger and douche bag than Beck, but the libs eat up everything he says anyway.
Most of Apple is liberal. Steve Jobs is a liberal.
Apple is proud of Obama, and that’s why Obama’s image is on the Safari browser when you go to the download page, and after you install it.
http://www.apple.com/safari/download/
In the name of Freedom of Speech, I demand that MDN remove their Takes as they may force me to think new thoughts contrary to those the mainstream media spoon feeds to the unwashed masses.
They told me to vote for Obama. I voted or Obama. And all I got was this giant tax bill with nothing to show for it.
MDN is media savvy to the utmost, as usual, and a lot more balanced than most of those who’ve chosen to comment on this article so far.
Obama won the White House by campaigning like Ronald Reagan, but, so far, he’s governing like an even more liberal and inept Jimmy Carter.
I smell a one-term president.
I also predict that, because of Obama, we’ll never see another black president in our lifetime and that’s too bad because it will disqualify a great number of excellent people.
Have to agree with those that are leaving the site.
Good take.
Far left loonies have become Fascists … if they disagree with you they target to simply destroy you. Pure Mussolini.
Piss on em.
Stevie,
Good to see you’re still posting. I wasn’t surprised though that you thought the attack on Beck had to be defended. You still realize that none of this matters. Its like arguing with a liberal over freedom of choice and inclusion in the same afternoon, they never get the hypocrisy of their statements.
I don’t understand how anyone can watch Fox News for more than five minutes and not have the urge to vomit. They are nothing but rabble-rousing brown shirts who wrap themselves in the stars and stripes to hoodwink the dimwitted.
I always get a kick out of all the bubble headed bimbos they seem to hire by the dozens (who haven’t got two brain cells to rub together) discoursing on politics and the President. I imagine Sarah Palin would fit right in at Fox.
Have to agree with those that are leaving the site. Off to Edible Apple. At least the site loads in less than a minute.
Bye
– Yeah, right. If you actually did leave it’d be a miracle. If you didn’t want to read this you could have chose not to post. Admit it, you like to argue and state your opinions. Its a free country, argue, leave, pout, or whatever. Bye, don’t let the door catch you.
People who truly boycott expensive items are rare.
Very rare.
I boycott places like Wally*Mart, but boycotts are indeed expressing one’s right to expression.
The Dem’s seem to be most inclined to shut people up, use the race-card, and spew hate.
That’s the irony of this.
Olbermann is the most hateful person on TV.
Maddow is Olbermann with a vagina (I think)
Beck is born-again, which in itself is usually annoying.
Limbaugh, well, he’s just a douche.
I don’t understand why some of you think they’re “reporters”
They’re not – they’re entertainers.
Some more os than others.
Now Dem’s call people expressing anger at Town Hall meetings KKK, Nazis, racists.
I knew we could not go a whole year before Obama kool-aid drinkers would use the race card.
Sad. It seems we’ll always have to deal with that.
Sir Gill, Your statements would work when describing any of the cable networks, maybe not the Palin part
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I’m glad that they all have their logos showing or I’d have a hard time telling the difference between them. They all look like SNL sketches. If you want to boycott something, try the the news organizations, your life will be less stressful and more productive.
It’s amazing how people can read what MDN wrote and see whatever they want to see regardless of the words.
MDN’s take is right down the middle. They’re calling bullshit on both sides. Those who can’t see that fact are the very definition of “blinded by ideology.”
The human brain is a very strange thing.
The biggest, most entertaining hypocrites here are the rightwing warriors. As a few other people have pointed out, are they forgetting which side of the political fence Apple sits on?
They decry those filthy liberals and Democrats, but then they turn around and support both by handing their money to Apple.
It’s like, wow. Why don’t you guys just donate to Barack Obama’s second-term election funds directly? I notice the resident neocons veeeeeery carefully ignore this little issue, however.
Never fails to brighten my day 😀
Thank you MDN! I was having a boring Saturday until I saw this.
Hope it goes though Sunday, nothing planned then either.
@ FeedbackRus,
You are right. Maybe if we all refused to listen to any of them on any of the news formats we’d all be calmer and a little more civilized. We should just take them all for the hit-whores that they are.
While both Beck and Olberman are highly partisan, anyone not noticing the differences in tone, veracity, and incitement, is just not paying attention.
“Those who are perceived to be “dangerous” by the opposition are the ones who are attacked most: Apple (upsets the status quo in multiple markets), Glenn Beck, Barack Obama, Newt Gingrich (back in the day), Bill Clinton (back in the day), Sarah Palin, Hillary Clinton, Rush Limbaugh, etc.”
Boy, if that ain’t the truth, nothing is.
@ “Beck does incite violence”,
You wrote, “Constantly challenging the citizenship of Obama even though it has clearly been proven, saying he hates white people, and simply making up facts to spread their political message is not standard media white noise. It is inciting violence….”
So, I assume you have just as much disdain for liberals like Al Franken, Nanci Pelosi, Olbermann, etc. that do the same things Beck, Hannity, etc. supposedly do… Make up facts, challenge things even when they’ve been proven, and name-call… Right? Or, are these things only bad when conservatives do them?
You’re obviously for free speech and freedom of expression, but only if it’s liberal points of view that are being expressed.
Hypocrites!!! Two-faced, lying, bullshit, political-hack hypocrites!
Good call, MDN.
While most here would agree that M$ users are a bit daft, many of your readers have herein proven that some Mac users are completely nuts.
While both Beck and Olberman are highly partisan, anyone not noticing the differences in tone, veracity, and incitement, is just not paying attention.
Yeah, how could people not hear the difference? It’s so obvious how Olbermann delivers his hateful, condescending contempt wrapped in a cool, clever arrogance, while Beck’s thoughts and opinions are conveyed raw and unedited.
Whipping out our opinions and stating them as fact is fun, isn’t it?
@ Psych Major,
“The human brain is a very strange thing.”
Dr. Frankenstein: “Now that brain that you gave me. Was it Hans Delbruck’s?”
Igor: “No.”
Dr. Frankenstein: “Ah! Very good. Would you mind telling me whose brain I DID put in?”
Igor: “Then you won’t be angry?”
Dr. Frankenstein: “I will NOT be angry.”
Igor: “Abby Someone.”
Dr. Frankenstein: “Abby Someone. Abby who?”
Igor: “Abby Normal.”
Dr. Frankenstein: “Abby Normal?”
Igor: “I’m almost sure that was the name.”
Dr. Frankenstein: “Are you saying that I put an abnormal brain into a seven and a half foot long, fifty-four inch wide GORILLA? Is that what you’re telling me?”
F*&k;off MDN. Like the previous former reader said – I have thoughts about where you stood, can see that more clearly now and combined with the rest of the as*holes who think similarly, I bid you and this site a permanent adue.
MDN magic word: far – How far so many have fallen. Burn babies, burn.
“… many of your readers have herein proven that some Mac users are completely nuts.”
Just “some”?
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bullshit, MDN. Yer a bunch of racist right wing nutjobs and yer sight isn’t worth a spit.
“Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity have gone beyond free speech and are in dangerous territory”…
now if you would have added Keith Oberman, Rachel Madow, and John Stewart (who kills me every night btw) you would have been right on.
The problem with the far left is their hatred and complete disdain for anything on the right. The problem with the far right is they have hijacked the flag and the bible to be their shield in this battle.
I used to think that both sides would continue to marginalize themselves and someday we would have a centrist party. Unfortunately I don’t believe that any more. It’s harder and harder to stand in the center politically anymore. This country is more politically divided, and the divide is growing bigger as people in the center give in and slide one way or another.
@Ron.
You nailed it my friend. Political discourse has always been an American pasttime, but as of late it has become something much more sinister.
People have forgotten to use logic when it comes to the issues and even their rights for that matter.
Here is the saddest part: Ever heard of divide and conquer? We truly have become the Un-united States of America in which half of the country is convinced the other half are right wing sickos, leftist wack-jobs, fascists, commies, whatever. What does that say about us as a society?
I live in a state that is the opposite color of how I vote. I have experienced absolute hatred and contempt for my views, like I was an evil person, a non-american, an outsider. Now I keep very quiet about it. I dont speak in public about politics. This is nothing new, it’s happened before. Nazi Germany comes to mind, when neighbor turned on neighbor. We are not too far off from this.
And both sides blindly due the bidding of their party, and as a result we devour ourselves, truly weakening what used to make this country great.
This is really what is happening and it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure it out, rather just some quiet, honest and logical thought.
China meanwhile quietly laughs and waits, growing stronger by the day as a truly united country. I fear our best days are behind us. The future is Eurasia, and all because we as a people forgot what it meant to be ‘We the people.’
Hard to believe that the Secret Service would let Obama go to Montana and talk in front of all the ignorant, racist rednecks without a bullet-proof vest on?
I mean, a guy wearing a Nazi-inspired NRA jacket even got to ask a question.
All that without a vest?
How daring our President is!
Or could it be that average, down-to-earth Americans that think this warp-speed heath care reform is BS and they’re just stating their frustration and anger like they’re entitled to?
I dunno, so confusing…
@ Jim – TIV,
” This country is more politically divided …”
Yes, and it seems we aren’t capable of discussing the issues anymore, as exemplified by the town hall meetings.
Ah, more weaselly political bullshit from MDN and its wingnut peanut gallery. You nitwits wouldn’t recognize hate speech if it shot you in the face for performing late term abortions. I can see how you are confused by the difference between hyperbole and incitements to violence, what with being so mentally deficient and all, but anyone who has sufficient mental capacity and an attention span greater than a four year old should be able to recognize that the incidence and frequency of mainstream pundits calling Bush a Nazi were far fewer than the number of mainstream pundits calling Obama a Nazi (commie, Stalinist, Maoist, socialist, fascist, Arab, Kenyan, Muslim, black Christian radical, racist, controlled by the Jews(?!)). And I’m certain no lefty pundit ever said that revolution is the answer to their discrepancies with Bush policy.
And seriously, Rachel Maddow? That chick could muster any hate speech even if you kicked her in the balls.
@ effwerd,
“That chick couldn’t muster any hate speech even if you kicked her in the balls.”
Are you implying that the woman I love is a tranny?
(3) has called the President a racist;
well, gee.. Obama IS a racist, if you haven’t noticed, you are not paying attention
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Heh. Just a joke playing on the proclivity of Maddow critics who bring up her sexual orientation. And metaphorically, she is pretty well endowed in that department.
Now, back to counting the minutes until MDN deletes my comments and blocks my IP address from posting again.
does anybody watch fox anyway?? Talk about a bunch of blowhard ultra conservative ignorami…idiots…
@ effwerd,
“… her sexual orientation.”
Hey, now that ya mention it …
Obama is a racist. Period. Boycott me.
MDN, it is clear you are taking sides in here, and if you do not drink the Obama-Aid quick, MDN, popups and all, will be history.
And gzero, you’re a racist commie idiot.
“gzero
MDN obviously has obviously Never watched KO either, otherwise he never would have made such a dumb statement in the MDN take.
MDN, here’s a short summary of GB’s comments: he called the president a racist and said he believes he has a deep hatred for white people. A half white president, raised by white grandparents with majority whites in his administration, yet he has a “deep seeded hatred for white people”? Such statement would be hilarious if they weren’t so mindless and destructive, in the sense that Fox News isn’t exactly as “fair and balanced” as their tag line suggests.
Any advertiser who pulls ads from GB’s show is right to do so. Just because GB is exercising his freedom of speech doesn’t mean we don’t have the right to not tolerate his bullsh*t.”
@Handsome Smitty.
“And gzero, you’re a racist commie idiot.”
…And my point is made. Oh we are in for a rude awakening. What a shame to watch us all become a non-trusting, non-caring, non-feeling country. This is how nations fall.
Most sane people have been inadvertently boycotting all the other major news organizations for years just by not being able to watch their liberal worship.
To the audience/advocates of Fox… don’t you know how silly you look stating your believes. It is this kind of silliness that most of you are going to rebut in 10 – 15 years, as in growing up or when the modern world catches up with you. I know it must be scary to be a conservative and suddenly the country is starting to move forward again, I know that but you should try not gather in group at Fox and whip your selfs in to paranoid frenzy, its not a good environment for people like you.
Funny, the “magic word” to post this is “changes”…
@ TheOtherObserver,
So who’s this “Bob” guy you’re referring to?
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Uh-oh. Looks like I’m gonna be exterminated!
Sorry, but Apple stock makes up a lot of my hard-earned portfolio, and I don’t want Apple to just sell iMacs iPhones to the politically correct. You don’t like Fox, you don’t have to watch Fox, period.
Get a damn life….
Tell ya what, if these “revolution” and “all hell breaks loose” things happen, I know what side I wanna be on…
@Sir Bill Gates
I got dropped for responding to his post. He said mean things. There MDN, can I say that at least without booting me?
@ Me in LA
Yeah, Europe or Asia would be the best bet. Cuz they’ll be the ones picking our bones clean afterwards.
@ TheOtherObserver,
Yeah, and now I’m hanging up there looking like some kind of weirded out goofball talking to myself. Of course, that’s how most of my posts look anyway.
@ Me In LA,
“… I know what side I wanna be on… “
You’d better not be one of them zombie things ’cause I will blow your head clean off.
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@Sir Bill Gates
Well of course you MUST be a weirded out goofball, right? LOL. Man, people take this stuff WAY to seriously…but that can be very dangerous too. And in the end, all it does is hurt us as a nation. What a shame. Divide and Conquer baby, Divide and Conquer.
@SBG,
Can’t tell from your emoticon, but I’m hoping your post was in jest?
THREE PAGES!! WOO!!!
@Spark:
“Assuming this is true, and I do, my comment is that this sort of rhetoric has no place in civil discourse.
[…]
MDN’s comment about Olberman is quite true however. I’ve watched his show enough to know what a lying, vile bastard he is.”
<facepalm>
What’s with all the “divide and conquer” stuff being so bad?
I mean, that pesky civil war certainly was bad in that we lost a lot of people, but it did in the end put the stops on some pretty bad things that were going on here.
Every now and then you needs to clean house.
The maid’s a comin’
@ Me in LA
Because it means that we will only be a shell of what we used to be. Europe and China already KNOW this, in fact they’re pretty much counting on it. We will continue to be the un-united States of America while the next generation of power players emerge.
Our constant and non-productive back-biting will continue until there is nothing left but a shadow of our old glory. But, thats the way of nations, they rise, they fall. Not to be a pessimist, but as a result of our inept government (ON BOTH SIDES), we will be our own downfall. It IS coming, maybe not for another 75-100 years, but its comin’.
@ Me In LA,
Well, no offense, but haven’t you seen any of those movies?
Hey, while we are at it, make them remove those Macbooks from the news shows on Fox….. as well as remove all advertising. :=),
Let’s face it, Apple can and should advertise wherever and to whom they feel they can make the best use of their advertising dollar.
All this nonsense reminds us that we, in this country, both libs and neocons have gotten VILE, downright hateful toward each other…..
“Can’t we all get along?” I heard that somewhere, oh yes, it was after Rodney beat the hell out of some poor slob who got in the wrong neighborhood during a race riot
@ TheOtherObserver,
It’s just a matter of time until the balance of power shifts and slips out of our hands. It’s the thought of China gaining control that gives me the willies. But it will be from our own doing.
@ Zippy
“All this nonsense reminds us that we, in this country, both libs and neocons have gotten VILE, downright hateful toward each other…..”
Thank you Zippy! Give that man a prize. WE HAVE BIGGER THREATS TO WORRY ABOUT. Do you know that China has a 100 year plan? What do we have? A 2 yr, 4 yr, and 6 year plan. That’s about it. Last time I checked, this is not a winning strategy.
I’m not worried that China will invade us. They won’t. They’ll beat us at our own game, using capitalism, but with a focused untied goal in mind. And we will be regulated to a so-so nation within 75 years.
They’re putting it in practice now. When did you last buy something that wasnt made in China? Who was responsible for this happening? Was it the libs? Was it the Neo’s? IT WAS BOTH.
We’ve all been sold a bill of goods.
People need to wake up and stop fighting each other and remember what it is to be an American. My uncle died fighting for this country in WWII. I’d hate to think that he died in vain (along with all warriors) because the Libs and Neos couldnt get along and play nice in the sandbox.
You guys are a bit histrionic here.
It was never the end of the world when libs spent all day knocking Bush/Cheney.
THAT was OK, this is unrest?
Come on.
Most of it is entertainment.
And I hate just about everyone that everyone here is posting about.
Why watch those idiots?
@SBG
The Chinese have there issues for sure, but they also are very smart and patient. They’re 5,000 years old and invented WRITING as far as most can tell. These guys aren’t going anywhere but up.
What I admire about them is there no-nonsense approach to certain things. I wont go into those, but they GET IT DONE.
Communism will die in China as well. It simply cannot sustain 1.3 Billion people that want freedom. But they will beat the living crap out of us once they go FULL capitalism. And thats probably not too fat off, 50 years maybe. Those people WANT to be free. Thats a GOOD THING. Not good for us if we don’t get competitive and take care of the homeland…..
@Me in LA
I’m not picking any sides here. All I’m saying is that if we as a nation cannot get past this nonsense of Lib Vs. Rep. were screwed bud. Simple as that. We will continue to fight against each other, kill each others bills, and basically get nothing done while the rest of the world begins to not only catch up, but pass us by economically.
@ TheOtherObserver,
I never meant to imply that the Chinese aren’t worthy of respect. It’s amazing what they have been able to accomplish both recently and in the past. They have worked for and earned what they have and I wish them the best.
I just wish it wasn’t at the expense of the American worker.
Free speech is sacred, IMO. I am and have always been an absolutist when it comes to freedom of speech. Censorship is a tool of tyranny, whether it be on the level of the petty tyrant or mass oppression. I don’t care what the politics, censorship of speech is reprehensible.
The invention and use of the term “hate speech” just screams to me that there are those among us who would be willing to censor and oppress the right of free speech. Of course it would include just the “hate” that they don’t personally like. It makes me sick to the core.
Regarding Glenn Beck’s comment and the boycotting of advertisers — both sides are allowed to have their say and should not be stifled. Let all sides be heard.
Oh, and if you don’t like what Beck said, why not take it up with him? Why not call his radio show and tell him what you think? Or e-mail him? He’s on 3 hours daily and takes calls and e-mails during the show, from what I understand. Let him have it. Rather than try to censor his speech, why not present evidence against his claims and try to prove him wrong?
@ SGB
Totally agree! I don’t like it anymore than you do. BUT….who do we have to blame? Not them. Sometimes its very theraputic to point that finger at yourself and take a good long look in the mirror. And by ‘yourself’ I dont mean Dem or Rep. I mean us as a nation, and the way that we have allowed our own government to effectively run us into the ground.
I dont want to sound like a revolutionary at all. Not about that. What I am about is awareness. We have been led by the nose for too long, and for what? What have we to show for it? Horrible education, horrible healthcare, 2 wars, an economy in the crapper, and no sense of national identity.
Once again, Im not picking sides here, rather saying that both bear responsibility and we as the ‘common folk’ shouldn’t play into the coke vs pepsi challenge that has become the mainstay of American politics.
Here is a list of Glenn Beck’s sponsors:
Best Buy, Travelocity, Ditech, Wachovia, Pillsbury/ General Mills, Travelocity, Remax, ProtectmyID.com, Office Depot, American Express, Franklin-Templeton Investments, Chattem Chemicals / Capzasin, Yahoo!, UBS, Tyson Foods, Target, Subaru, State Farm Insurance, Splenda / Johnson and Johnson, One a Day / Bayer, WebMD, Terminix, Rosetta Stone, 1-800-Pet-Meds, IAMS, AT&T;, CDW, Centrum, Comcast, Hertz, Lowes, Holiday Inn Express, Adobe, American Standard Companies Inc., Dannon, GM, Orbitz, Progressive Insurance, Priceline, Crest, Nextel, Walmart, Toyota
@Hillary… as an anti-consumer, I see I the only company I actually support in your list is Adobe. Okay, I buy Johnson & Johnson Band-Aids too. The rest? Nope. Good for me.
I must say, I too am getting pretty sick of MDN. How much money did you, MDN, make from three pages of comments?
Pillsbury!!! Oh Gawd not the Doughboy!!! He’s a fascist!?!
I’m gonna kick his pasty white ass!!!
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Or should that be ‘pastry’ white ass?
“The campaign was picked up by democrats.com, which provided its members with a list of advertisers and an e-mail form letter that threatens to stop buying the sponsors’ products as long as they advertise on Fox News”
Why the liberals always come out like Fascists?
…and lets forget… the first thing that is out is free speech, once the “Liberals” are running things.
Remember, CNN, ABC, SeeBS and the alphabet propagada machine is an extended arm of the democrat party, has been in the most blatant way for at least 2 decades.
Yuck!
I’ll boycott any company that pulls out of GB’s show.
Or any other for that matter.
Chicken-shit.
“but it’s (not) OK for Glenn Bake to call President Obama a racist – which he clearly IS on some issues.
Explain, specifically, why you say Obama is a racist?
MacDailyNews what are you mumbling about? “Steve Jobs agrees with Rush Limbaugh”? Are you nuts???
Who the hell is Glenn Beck?
Who cares?
Both parties of full of bums. Every 4-8-12 years, we “throw the bums out” only to vote back the bums we threw out 4-8-12 years ago. Then they get *their* turn bending us over the barrel. The two parties just pass us back and forth.
Grandpa was right: They’re all bums.
conschmillo,
Click the link that MDN provided, forkfscker.
Here’s another, too:
http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/12662/
I signed the petition and am participating in the boycott. Yeah, it’s strong arm tactics, but Fox is abusing their right to free speech and cynically taking advantage of the fact that people dumb enough to believe their lies still have the right to vote.
And I’m talking lies – not differences of approach to a particular problem. What they are doing is like “War of the Worlds” – making stuff up and causing panic. I don’t see it as a Glenn Beck boycott, but a boycott of the whole station for passing itself off as something it’s not.
Show me one commentator on Fox News making a cogent argument in favor of traditional conservative arguments about fiscal responsibility and free trade or what-have-you. I’d have no problem with that. Make your argument, and let the liberals make their arguments, and let people decide what makes more sense. But they are verbal terrorists – telling people the president is a racist–based on zero evidence that I can see–is sure to scare the crazies.
I’m sure there are legitimate questions to ask about the health care reform proposals. How is this going to get paid for, for example. But suggesting there are going to be “death panels” just to get people freaked out is just purely destructive.
So yes, bring on George Will, Peggy Noonan, I can’t think of any other conservatives who don’t seem completely nuts at this point. William F. Buckley is no longer with us, and neither is Barry Goldwater. Maybe that dude on Press the Meat – David Brooks. He wasn’t foaming at the mouth the last time I checked. I wish some on the right who value dialogue and reason would call these people out.
“Explain, specifically, why you say Obama is a racist?”
wow, where to start?
I dunno, shall we start with his own words how he described the woman who raised him? The church he spent so many years of his life? His rush to attack a police officer who dared question a black man who broke into his own house? His use and support of a racist group like A.C.O.R.N. ?
There are none of blind as those who will not see
Haven’t seen the video, MDN? Have you forgotten how to use the search function on YouTube? Or is it that you know if you admitted to watching it, you’d have to tell us that you agree with Beck or you don’t, and that might lead to losing some advertisers yourself. Do you think Adobe and Apple will still advertise here if you align yourself too closely with Fox News?
Look. I come here for the fun because I’m a Mac fanboy since 1984. Reading this Take equating what’s happening with Beck to negative press about Apple is disgusting. I am proud to read the many reasoned arguments from registered users denouncing Beck and this Take.
I’ll give you one more chance to show some self-discipline and keep your political leanings out of this site. No big pronouncements, I simply won’t come back if this site is no longer fun.
Spot on MDN.
MDN, once again – if you submitted this in an English/Journalism 101 Class ?
Sorry, D- at best, maybe an F
It’s late, I just got in from a Gig, am tired and will try to sort out your Middle School Effort later on Sunday
However …
You say, “Steve Jobs agrees with Rush Limbaugh”
Sorry, you give NO PROOF … NO REFERENCE to back up that statement
At BEST could maybe only say … Limbaugh agrees with Jobs
Will try later on Sunday to explain how you’ve screwed this up
Keep hoping you’ll want to learn something about “Journalism” and “English Composition”
In meantime – am again disappointed with your Sophomoric Work
BC Kelly
Tallahassee Fla
bc@bckelly.com
AND
I don’t give a shit about your Politics
No problem, get as Political as you want, is your Site and a Free Country
BUT ….
Stop talking out your ass – give verifiable quotations and references
Then present them in a coherent and logical fashion
THAT is your “problem”
Tried to tell you that one other time and you erased the post, remember ?
BC
MDN seems to think that Olbermann is no different but I bet that he’s based his show more on fact than the bull that spews out of most fox news personalities. Olbermann is similiar in that he’s an extreme and that’s about it. Cheap shots and fear mongering will always get higher ratings in this current climate.
@Save The Planet,
oh, you mean ACORN which was founded and financed by a Conservative? Funny thing is, you right-wingers were all for ACORN when they were helping to get out the vote for Republican candidates in 2000 and 2004. Please try harder.
Your comments are a prime example of how folks in the right-wing media are pros at distorting facts in order to rile up the weak-minded. (Yes, I called you weak-minded.) your so-called proof of Obama’s racism by using how he “describes his own mother” is so far from reality that it’s laughable.
As a parting shot before I erase MDN from my bookmarks: Say what you will about the so-called “hate speech of Olbermann, Rachel Maddow, etc. I watch both of them, and occasionally Hannity, Glenn Beck and O’Reilly, and the big difference I see between them is that for all of their over-the-top rhetoric, at least KO and RM can back up everything they say with facts and research and don’t have to resort to taking things out of context or making things up to get a point across. In the case of RM: at least she corrects herself when something she reports on is incorrect. I have yet to see GB, Hannity or O’Reilly do the same.
To those who seem to think that ratings are an indicator of quality journalism or public sentiment I ask this: If left-leaning shows with poor ratings are so irrelevant in your eyes, why do you bother to even acknowledge them? The so-called “liberal media” are masters at calling out right-wing BS with (easily researchable) facts, and you guys hate that, thus the constant complaints about “liberal media”. I thought “conservatives” were supposed to have balls of steel. Guess not.
There are better places to get Apple news from than a wingnut site. I thought the moronic politics had gone from this site. I guess I was mistaken. A black guy getting elected has sent the wingnuts insane.
When Keith Olbermann suggests that terrorists should detonate a nuclear weapon in a US city in order to help Obama’s healthcare bill go through, then he might be in the same league as Beck.
Bye.
Well… How could they act else? Theese Fox narrow minded b…d are just a bunch of indian killers and pollutants colonialists.
LOL. Glenn Beck, who stirs up and feeds on the hate and fear of the disinformed and misled loses his advertisers. Just as you sow you shall reap.
Anyhoo, the polarizing media of both political wings is to blame. People really don’t get real news today. They just get biased, cherry-picked propaganda that is fed to them as The Truth.
The problem is, sometimes facts and reality do not align with your personal biases, and when this happens, these people throw hissy fits and call the reporter biased. This happens on both the left and the right. What follows is that we have ultra-biased “news” channels that cater to these immature individuals – and make a good profit doing so. This is a danger to rational and informed decisionmaking in our democracy.
I try to watch as little of the major news sites as possible lately. And I have no urge to watch the opion people (beck, hannity, maddow, olberman, cafferty …. name the all on both sides). We have cnn and msnbc at work and I see some fox from time to time. The one thing fox does a lot, is get people from both sides and let them argue. Some of the others get people from only one side and they just agree with each other. I rather see the different points of view, even if they end up disagreeing.
I think “me” lives in “shoe on other foot” land
More red and blue buying iPhones… so does that make the next iPhone 4G purple??
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Congratulations MDN. Once again you have managed to get a large number of hits (and posts) by pandering. You have demonstrated exactly how both Beck and Obermann have increased their ratings.
Unfortunately, every time you do this by inciting the wingnuts of either side, you kill one more of the little angels who brings working brain cells to newborns.
Populism, like Beck and the other right-wing crazies, can be very dangerous, especially when it’s hateful and dishonest. Then it’s no longer free speech “any damn day of the week.”
Glenn Beck is merely questioning authority. I thought that’s what we’re all supposed to do.
Oh wait…
Sorry, I forgot the protocol.
During Republican administrations, dissent is patriotic and it is our duty as good citizens to question authority.
During Democrat administrations, dissent is hate speech and those found questioning authority must be silenced.
FOX news sucks a$$. Fact. With exception of their evening cartoon shows the network is a clusterf^%k.
but if you would have watched The Daily Show the next night you would have all laughed as Stewart slammed Glen in saying he contradicted himself less than 70 seconds after he said Obama was a racist saying, “I don’t think Obama hates white people”. We’ve all seen Glen Beck cry like a 7 yr old girl that dropped her lolly.
Here’s the video of him saying Obama is a racist, it’s ten mins long but you only need to watch the first 2:02 of the vid.
America,
Multiple polarizations over race pilled upon the eternal 50/50 polarization over politics.
The only way this could be more fun, for the casual observer, is if you Americans had more than two political parties to foam at the mouth over.
Brings back memories of the good old days of the Civil War.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I’m sorry, you must have been asleep during the Bush administration, eight years when dissent made you an evildoer.
The real problem here is partisanship. Allowing the political map to be splintered into factions(e.g. Democrats and Republicans) fosters an us-versus-them mentality where each side believes itself to hold a monopoly on truth and the other side to be inherently wrong about everything.
So you end up in an absurd situation like the one the United States finds itself in, where if the Democrats have a valid point then the Republicans feel like they’re obligated to disagree with it, which puts them in a position of being wrong. And if the Republicans have a valid point then the Democrats feel like they’re obligated to disagree with it, which puts *them* in a position of being wrong.
All of this comes at the detriment of the people, who are more often than not just left there to suffer as their representatives in Washington continuously shove their fingers in their ears and shout “I’M NOT LISTENING!” to a great number of valid points.
The solution to the partisan madness is easy.
Ban political parties. No more Dems. No more Repubs. Not even any Greens. Instead, individuals with no party affiliation would fill the political landscape as far as the eye could see, and the United States would be a lot better off for it.
Jake Sisko
Oh wait…
During Democrat administrations, dissent is hate speech and those found questioning authority must be silenced.
This is how insufferably stupid the right wing can be.
The actual fact of the matter is that during Bush’s 5 years after the WTC attacks, everyone who questioned any of the Bush/Cheney admin policies was a traitor, a coward and an ally of terrorists. Coulter, Limbaugh, Hannity, et al, let us know at every chance, that questioning the War on Terror and the War in Iraq was fundamentally a traitorous act, and that people who did not support the Bush Admin hatred freedom and hated US troops. Only when the shock of 9/11 wore off did people finally see thru the idiotic policies of the Bush Admin and what they were doing to the US.
Now it’s perfectly fine for the right to call the President a Nazi, a racist, and demonize the POTUS as a communist or a fascist. And when they are called on their openly disrespectful and yes, actually traitorous statements (secessionist coward talk), they invent a false history where poor, poor Dubya was treated so horribly by the mean old “liberal media”. In spite of the fact that the media aided and abetted the selling of the war in Iraq to the US people.
So shove your condescending bullshit right up your tight ass. It’s a bald faced lie and you know, you are just to ignorant to admit it.
What the protestwrs fail to understand is how TV spot time is often purchased by ad agencies and media placement firms. For specific shows, media buyers might specify specific programs and times in which an ad should appear. For this, the advertiser pays a premium price. But in some cases, the media buy is “run of station” which gives the network or the station discretion on when an ad will appear. This is at a lower price.
It is concievable that the Apple ads in part are ROS. Also, consider the audience. It is possible that Fox viewers are of a demographic that have a higher propensity to purchase Apple products. Media buying is the art of matching your ads to the audience most likely to purchase your product.
Shows like LOST and Mad Men are highly representative if the audience profile of Apple customers. But politics aside, buying media is a cold-blooded exercise based on demographic statistics of an audience, and nothing more.
Gentleman
They told me to vote for Obama. I voted or Obama. And all I got was this giant tax bill with nothing to show for it.
It’s alright. About 5000 plus Americans who voted for Bush got shot in the head or blown to pieces in a country they never should have been in in the first place.
But you go ahead and wail and moan and cry about how things were so much better under Bush.
@Her Shadow
Hey, I’m just speaking Truth To Power, or whatever else was fashionable during the previous administration.
Bush *was* called a Nazi and far, far worse than that. No “false history” needed. Those pundits and commentators you mentioned that had criticized people against the war(s) were private individuals with TV or radio audiences. They didn’t have the power of the federal government behind their words, and I don’t recall Bush or Cheney calling anti-war protestors “traitors”.
Now it’s different… now we have an administration that is asking their supporters to report what they perceive to be lies about ObamaCare to flag@whitehouse.gov. What do you think will be done with that information? If it doesn’t send a chill down your spine, it should.
I understand that you’re lashing out because you’re probably frustrated with BHO and his crew of Chicago cronies. You bought into the “hope and change” nonsense hook, line & sinker, only to discover that you helped put someone in the Oval Office who is wholly unprepared, unqualified and overhyped. A man who accomplished next to nothing as a “community organizer” (where did all that Annenberg money go, anyway?), and got into public office by having those cronies dig up dirt on his opponents (like Jack Ryan).
So how have those 1st 6 months gone? Gitmo is still in operation, although the inmates may be transferred to another similar facility here in the US (what does that accomplish?). No change in DADT. It looks like he’s going to have to reneg on his promise not to raise taxes on the middle class to support all of his big spending plans. I guess you’re one of the 52% I have to thank for all of that, genius.
w/r/t “things we so much better under Bush”… well, we never had 10% unemployment. Or any attempts to nationalize 1/7th+ of the economy.
“the media aided and abetted the selling of the war”… probably because they were acting on the same faulty intelligence that everyone (CIA,MI6,the Poles, etc.) had agreed was actually the case. There were other reasons to go into Iraq, such as their attempts to shoot down our planes in the no-fly zones, each of which was an act of war in itself. They also tried to assassinate a former US president.
So you know what *you* can do your *your* smug, holier-than-thou, condescending bullshit.
“It is concievable that the Apple ads in part are ROS. Also, consider the audience. It is possible that Fox viewers are of a demographic that have a higher propensity to purchase Apple products. Media buying is the art of matching your ads to the audience most likely to purchase your product.”
Somehow I don’t think that bible banging, gun toting, white sheet wearing WalMart shoppers have a higher propensity to purchase Apple products.
Sometimes I think Lincoln made a mistake fighting the Civil War.
Goodbye MDN.
I’ll get my Mac fix @ http://www.macsurfer.com/
MDN and MDN Family
For just a minute, forget Politics and who may be “right/wrong/left/right/whatever”
Think of Luke’s Cool Hand, because “What we got here is … failure to commune-cate”
Lucid and Coherent Communication – whatever the “it” you wish to Communicate – is a never ending process.
Please make sure you follow the Basic Rules and Procedures, usually helps cut through any B.S.
I won’t try to conduct an 8th Grade English Class, but for any who might need a refresher course ?
If I may direct your attention to …
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_thinking
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetoric
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composition_studies
And one of my all time favorites …
William Golding (yes, the “Lord of the Flies” Guy) … his Essay/Short Story
“Thinking as a Hobby”
Is a quick read, but a long study …
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http://www.smartercarter.com/Essays/Thinking as a Hobby – Golding.html
Please spend some time perfecting the above
Especially before you dig too deep into another’s Political Proclivities
Or attempt to share your Thoughts and Opinions with others
(but for some of you, I won’t be holding my breath)
BC
Ha, found a good glitch there with Golding – all the “percent 20’s”
Ok, try this one, or google it, will find other sites with full text
http://daphne.palomar.edu/CHRISTINE/e100/thinkingessay.htm
AND, after you read it …
Which of the 3 Categories do YOU fit into ?
eh? …
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AND …
For any of you in your Early to Mid 40s, or Younger
And you’ve grown up in “An Age of The World According to Reagan”
Remember …
It has also been “An Age of The World According to Microsoft”
Just as many are finally opening their eyes to one, perhaps they’ll also see the other ?
For that I AM holding my breath …
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BC
Fox News: fake news for stupid people.
Glenn beck is a waste of flesh.
@Huey Long –
Another great libtard ‘genius’!
Let’s instead advertise on Maddow the Cow’s show , or Bathtub Boy Olberman’s show on MSLSD…. that way, NO ONE sees the ads b/c NO ONE is watching those vile shows…. talk about hate mongering! MSLSD’s ratings are so low that Verizon FiOS doesn’t even carry the channel in my area, and I live in a solidly Democrat state!
Libtards just get so irate b/c all their ‘news’ outlets are failing… MSLSD, CNN (Communist News Network), New York Times, Air America, Newsweak, need I go on? NPR only survives by sucking up exorbitant amounts of our tax dollars like any leftist, statist, social program
@natis
So who would you rather watch, Maddow the Cow or Megyn Kelly?
If you say Maddow, what are you, Gay?
Screw their stupid boycott! I love my Fox News and Apple products, Geico, always will!
Hugh Jass is a Hugh Jass.
Oh Yea … also
Betcha know where many of you were NOT this Weekend 40 Years ago
BC
Q. What do the Woodstock festival and Apple computers have in common?
A. Both were created by liberal, radical, lefty hippies.
All I know is that HATE MEDIA has never in my lifetime been so deliberately dishonest and disturbing. I don’t care which side you’re on. The entire morass is disrespectful of human intelligence. I have otherwise kind and loving friends parroting at one another sheer insanity they heard from… whoever. This is era is deadly sick with disinformation, aka Double Speak (credit to George Orwell).
As for boycotts, have fun. They’re about as useful as international sanctions: not at all. Liars and propagandists will find a way.
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@His Shadow
1) It is completely fallacious and mendacious for you to assume that those who gave their lives in service of their country were
a) Republican, b) voted for George Bush, or c) voted at all.
2) This may have been the case, though, as those who serve are patriotic, and patriotism is seen as a virute by conservatives/Republicans vs. liberals/Democrats who see America-hating as the highest form of patriotism (talk about self-loathing).
3) Your comments are illustrative of the growing gap between leftist elitists and those who serve our country.
4) And your comments are despicable, because they cheapen the sacrifice these brave men and women made.
four freaking pages… and it’s *sunday* fercrissakes…
You never let me down, folks.
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@His Shadow
4) And your comments are despicable, because they cheapen the sacrifice these brave men and women made.
Get over yourself. The US soldiers who died in Iraq died for a lie. Nothing I can say or do can cheapen their sacrifice more than it has already been cheapened by the cynical political exercise Bush and Cheney carried out based on fear, propaganda and lies.
The repulsive chicken hawks who puff their chests in “defense” of the US troops, troops whom, for all intents and purposes were betrayed by their Commander in Chief, add to the shame by deflecting proper criticism and demands for accountability with accusations of treason and pleas to “support the troops” when their misguided policy caused the real harm in the first place.
To Hell with your cheap and tawdry patriotism. It’s a ruse to justify the error that was Iraq by pointing to dead soldiers and claim their sacrifice is reason enough to ignore the crimes of Bush and Cheney.
@Hugh Jass
I prefer listening to the BBC than watching cable news.
kthxbye
c1 – Hey (z snap) Girlfriend
Yep, the MDN Virtual Wall of Graffiti™ never seems to run out of Paint, or Wall
And not sure about your ‘zone’ but my clock shows you stopped by to see us on *monday*
fercrissakes …
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BC
MDN – calls its like it sees it… angry mobs!
Thanks for the good work and articles! Its all related…
Continued reader…
WTF IS GLENN BECK AND WTF CARES? WTF WATCHES TELEVISION? WTF ARE YOU MINDLESS TOOLS AND WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?
THE PRESIDENT IS A PROP. THE NEWS IS A LIE. AND YOU PEOPLE ARE ALL DELUSIONAL NO MATTER WHAT SIDE YOU’RE ON. PEOPLE WITH TIVOS ARE DISEASED.
I’m on the west side (because you know it’s the best side) where it remains Sunday. Just imagine tomorrow, when people go back to their jobs, and they really have time to do some serious blog posting… ;P
OK c1 – i @¿@
Was hunkered down in that Bottom Left Corner, all the way down, for long time back when
Now just on the Regular West Side of my Local Corner
And “jobs” ?
What are those ?
Oh yea, places where a lot of folks go to get on another computer to come here
Yep, heard about them …
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BC
Just in passing, you should know that most people outside the US only know of Glenn Beck/Fox “News” because he appears on comedy news shows. Not willingly, but clips of him are shown because he’s so obviously batshit insane – he makes O’Reilly look fair and balanced.
America is a great country, but you’ve got some seriously fscked up opinion being passed off as news and fair comment.
@ BC Kelley
I know where I was 40 years ago that weekend. Sitting on a blanket in the rain watching fantastic music. It was as amazing as they say it was.
Apple consider yourself on my boycott list for taking advertising from Glenn Beck….keep out of politics!
@ ukok,
Thanks for the info about Beck, it made me laugh.
Many Americans seem to think that we are the center of the universe. They wouldn’t dare go beyond our own borders to gain knowledge of the world around us.
After all, those foreigners are all evil Socialists.
PMSNBC, Queef Overbight, and friends are the most hateful group around. I dare any of you liberal nut jobs to listen to
Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin, Ingraham, Crowley, etc. They are right on the money with what is going on. They love their country and are all for people doing well. You liberals are bitter hate mongerers that thrive on turmoil and use it to grab more power and steal our hard earned money and private property from us. You liberals are sick individuals and I know deep down you really know what you’re up too and it’s not the good of the people or the US. You want to bring this country to it’s knees and turn it into something closer to Cuba. None of this liberal agenda will work. It will put the nail in the coffin of the US economy. Fox News is not what these crazy liberals say it is. It actually covers both sides of the story not the left wing slant that you get practically everywhere else.
iGoogle quote of the day:
“An opinion should be the result of thought, not a substitute for it.” – Jef Mallett
Just remember Fox News is not American. It is run by an Australian, who made his fortune in Europe first. News Corp. has a world agenda, to open markets up and benefit from world trade. This is not all bad. Just remember Fox could really care less about the United States and their on air personalities know that they are not being payed by Americans.
“You want to bring this country to it’s knees and turn it into something closer to Cuba”
What, fantastic child literacy rates, universal free healthcare, excellent cigars and mojitos on the beach? Yes, sounds awful.
All the people you name are only interested in *themselves* doing well. They’d screw you and their country over in a second for money. And Fox is appallingly biased and one-sided. They had a “debate” the other week with 3 republicans and 1 democrat. How’s that balanced? As for nailing the coffin shut – you had 8 years of Bush. Who got you into the coffin in the first place and pulled on the lid?
Seriously, I’m no hardcore lefty – but Fox news internationally is a laughing stock, and after Bush the USA was about as popular and respected globally as a fried dogshit sandwich. Let the other side have a go, or at least have a listen to their ideas without flipping out and assuming difference of opinion = unpatriotic. After all, they can’t possibly do any worse.
What the fck are you talking about Sir Dueche Bag??? You racist. How the hell do you know anything about what Americans think you tool. Many Americans travel all over the world and see what’s going on. Just because the vast majority of us do not want your socialism or communism or dictators running our country doesn’t mean we are afraid of anything. Obama and friends would like nothing better than to take down the US and turn it into Cuba. We won’t let them. They will be voted out fast. The US was founded on individual rights and we will not be infiltrated by foreign socialists trying to hijack our country. We love the US just the way it was founded and will do everything to keep it on that track.
Fox News is a breath of fresh air next to our liberal state run media, NY Slimes, Washington Compost, PMSNBC, John “Liebowitz” Stewart, ABC, NBC, CBS, etc. We are barraged with liberalism from everywhere we turn. Thank goodness there is a Fox News to turn to get a FAIR AND BALANCED take on things. You liberals are out of your minds and hate the US. Pretty obvious.
Thank God the Democrats have taken leadership control once again.
Properly focused- on Afg. To catch Osama Bin Laden.
What Bush should’ve done.
How could 8 years of republican leadership led us so far astray?
Iraq? IRAQ?????
Wait, who knocked down the towers again?
Nothing more despicable than a chicken-shit chicken hawk.
We had three. Cheney, Rumsfeld, and the so-called “President” bush.
Thank God THAT nightmare is over. Bush was the biggest spender of any president (again, I use that term loosely) ever.
He was a LIBERAL spender.
Fox NEWS?
Please.
@ @sir jack ass,
“We love the US just the way it was founded and will do everything to keep it on that track.”
You’ll have to take away the women’s right to vote and reinstate slavery. Yep, that sounds like a Fox News lovers’ dream come true.
Glenn Beck is a great guy. I know him personally.
You folks don’t like the fact that President Obama is getting challenged on things and that smart people are actually listening.
Our government was created to protect the people not support the people. Glenn Beck understands that. Mr Obama does not. The boycott of advertisers is nuts. It only serves to ruin free speech. Don’t watch the show If you don’t like the truth. The truth hurts sometimes. Don’t do things that may proclude the freedoms that we all have.
“Fox News is a breath of fresh air …”
I’d rather live downwind of a hog farm.
Hey ukok
Think it looks bad from over there ?
Try living in the middle of this shit …
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BC
@ Hm…
A lot of people *say* they were there. But if you really were, I’m jealous. Sadly it was a bit before my time. >.<
Peace, man.
And Hm…
Really ?
What row were you in ?
BC
Ahem … Chrissy
No No No
Anyone and Everyone was, or could be, “there”
Not a Place
State of Mind
As Joni says, “Get back to The Garden”
BC
“If all the people who have come up to me and told me they were at Woodstock were actually there, the planet would have tilted.” -Graham Nash
@ BC Kelly
Well in that case, I’ve been there since I first saw the movie in the early 80’s.
(and ironically, Joni wasn’t even there!)
P.S.
And yes, I realize I’ve just upped the ante on our “Political Discussion” by adding “Religion”
Any Radical Zionist out there can just get over it
And kiss my ass on The 道 to The Promised Land …
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BC
c1
Ok, so you know some of “The Rest of The Story” eh ?
But even from her hotel room back in the City
She was more “there” than about anyone
And if you find a better Poet than Joni ?
Read ’em
“Billion year old carbon caught in a helluva bargain”
Wow. a lot of you people are unbelievable. It’s awesomely sad to see the Cons and the Libs both say EXACTLY the same thing about each other. You can totally tell who just echos what they hear on their magic pictures boxes. Only a few folks got it right. It’s you morons! It’s your fault that we are a screwed up nation, not the governments! I long for the day when all this US vs THEM shit is done.
Quit f**king judging each other and start acting like Americans for a change! Good lord people! You are embarrassing!
Toasty
” … f**king judging each other” … IS how we Americans act
And why about 80% of Our Ancestors came Here …
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And to The MDN Rabble …
C’mon Folks, are you THAT tired already ?
We’re only up to 5 pages, not even close to The Record – 8 or 9 Pages
Think that was a couple of years ago when there were reports that Rush Limbaugh and Obama were secret gay lovers who made a private deal with Bill Gates for Microsoft to take over the World
Or something like that …
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Otherwise, does the last one still here arguing in the end “win” ?
BC
I agree that Apple most probably did not advertise deliberately on the Glenn Beck show. It would make no sense. They have way more class than that.
Obama and his friends got tired of calling themselves Communists (especially after their fathership the Soviet Union collapsed) so they changed it to Community Organizers. Still the same old bums that have been investigated by the FBI since the 1950s. Frank Davis, the well known communist, was run out of Chicago by the FBI to appear in Hawaii where he became Obama’s mentor (father too?).
Communism without a good organizing foundation then hijacked the “green” movement and that is what we have today.
Van Jones, ‘Green Jobs Czar’, a self-described ‘communist’ arrested during Rodney King riots
July 17, 9:58 AMConservative Politics ExaminerKathy Shaidle
Van Jones is President Barack Obama’s newly appointed “Green Jobs Czar.”
Jones’ official title is Special Advisor on Green Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation for the White House Council on Environmental Quality.
The 41-year-old Yale Law School graduate and civil rights lawyer is also the founder of California’s Ella Baker Center for Human Rights, “a non-profit agency for justice, opportunities and peace.”
Sounds idyllic, but Jones’ past isn’t so pastoral.
The Ella Baker Center was connected to STORM (Standing Together to Organize a Revolutionary Movement), a “multi-racial activist collective with Marxist influences” with which Jones was involved.
In 1992, Van Jones founded another STORM project, Bay Area PoliceWatch, a “hotline and lawyer-referral service for victims and survivors of police abuse.” This is fitting, perhaps, since Jones was himself arrested and detained briefly during a protest after the Rodney King verdict that same year.
Jones told the East Bay Express in 2005:
I was a rowdy nationalist on April 28th [1992], and then the verdicts came down on April 29th. By August, I was a communist. (…)
I met all these young radical people of color � I mean really radical: communists and anarchists. And it was, like, ‘This is what I need to be a part of.’ I spent the next ten years of my life working with a lot of those people I met in jail, trying to be a revolutionary.
Like a character out of The Big Chill, Van Jones seems to have evolved from radical activist to Establishment insider. Perhaps only a left-wing administration incapable of recognizing irony would put a self-described communist in charge of creating jobs.
Luckily for Van Jones, and Obama’s many other “Czars” with dubious credentials and troubling backgrounds, his new job was not dependent upon making it through Congressional hearings.
For more info: Earlier this week, we looked at Obama’s new “Science Czar” John P. Holdren, a longtime radical whose beliefs about ecology are tinged with misanthropy.
While you two jackasses gush about Woodstock how about a moment of silence for our brave armed forces that were battling it out in Vietnam that same weekend. Those are our real heroes.
ukicky, always wrong, BC Smelly, etc.,
what a bunch of communist drones. capitalism is what has brought you freaks the high standard of living that you have. the US has also brought this to you. you communists would love nothing better than to send us all back to the stone age. where in hell do you people come from? clueless idiots.
I would like to believe that most people are reasonably complex and cannot be defined with a single label, such as ‘liberal’ or ‘conservative.’ My opinions are sprinkled across the breadth of the liberal to conservative spectrum depending on the topic – environment, budget/taxes, health care, national defense, etc.
That is why I despise the sound bite labeling of individuals or groups. It is part of the define, discredit, and marginalize strategy which is far too prevalent in modern U.S. politics.
Thanks Costco and Happy in the US for solidifying my point.
@Larry All Vets and armed forces should celebrated for the jobs that they do. But there is nothing wrong with celebrating and appreciating Woodstock either.
@KingMel
TOTALLY AGREE!
I applaud MDN for an unbiased take on this situation. Well done!
@Robert:
Please take another unbiased look at the Olbermann show. You can probably find numerous YouTube videos of the hateful dialogues spewed forth about Palin, Bush, and other folks on the right. Olbermann, clearly on the left, is just as bad, if not worse, as the counter culture right-wing extremists.
Damn. I dropped out of MDN a while back just because of this political crap. Left-right name calling does not belong on these sites – when I visit(ed) MDN, I wanted to see the latest Apple news and MS-bashing (though even the latter gets pretty thick sometimes).
It pains me to do this, because I really do care about Apple and MDN has been a good single source for lots of Apple news, but I’m out of here for real this time. I got curious again after staying away for several months, but this post and others like it remind me what a load of crap gets unleashed with non-political sites like this open up the Pandora’s box…
Stick to tech, MDN. Though honestly I don’t really care anymore – I’ll look for the knuckle-draggers on the political sites and get my tech news elsewhere.
I thought Hannity was stupid… until I heard Glenn Beck. Reminds me of a 9-year old fat kid whining all the time… it’s hard to believe there are actual adults who listen to this clown…
It must really gripe you hippies that Limbaugh uses Macs and speaks so highly of them. He would be a better person to have on the Board rather than that flim flam man Gore.
Wow. So this is what it sounded like when Rome fell. Our time is near boys and girls. Listen to yourselves. The rest of the world smells weakness and are sharpening their fangs, you you bemoan each other. How far we have fallen!
@ Happy in the US,
“you communists would love nothing better than to send us all back to the stone age.”
It sounds like you never left it.
I am from the UK but live here in the US for some time now. I watch MSNBC, Fox and CNN to try and figure out what is going on in the US. It is obvious that MSNBC and Fox have polar opposite agendas, CNN floats somewhere nearer the middle. But you know the best news program. . . BBC America news. You see in the UK the BBC is obliged by law to present both sides of a story and be unbiased as it is payed for by the taxpayers (I wish we had that here, no adverts).
The difference is the presentation of news, not opinion or political debate. Fox and probably (slightly) to a lesser extent MSNBC are driving the political agenda here and that is a a sorry situation. Facts are lost in rhetoric, unbiased news replaced by political agendas of the owners.
Try 24hours of switching every hour between the 3 main news channels and then form a balanced opinion. You can of course bypass this as just watch BBC America news. I know this will receive criticism from the right in particular but ignorance is to be expected when you are only given one perspective.
I agree with the others here, MDN, keep your politics out of it!
Wow. The girlfriend I spent Saturday with three of the grandkids (ages 3, 5 and 9) hiking, eating burgers, catching fireflies, and having plenty of ice cream.
Sunday was a big brunch followed by 3 hours at the science museum, and then on to the lake for swimming, plus more burgers and ice cream.
Looks like all the fun was here….with the ones that like to dog me for spouting politics while they keep it ‘high-brow’.
“I know no one’s going to show me everything
We all come and go unknown
Each so deep and superficial
Between the forceps and the stone”
Some of you Way Back When™ must done some Really Good Shit™
Welcome to Flashback Monday here at MDN
Get to go to ‘Nam and do the Red Commie Menace™ all over again
Well it’s 1, 2, 3, what are we fighting for …
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Now, for any of you who missed the News Headlines from … oh, about 230 years ago
USA INVENTS COMMUNISM
What do you think all that fuss was about with the King ?
And where do you think should we put the word “United” up there ?
Sorry, some of you still seem confuzed about some basic Ideas
Won’t try to dissect Jeffersonian-Hamiltonian here, or we will reach 9 pages, but …
The Foundation for Our System – Our Union – rose out of The Enlightenment and Age of Reason, with roots in the 1st Century Christians who wanted to be Sociable Socialist and Share and Work in Common Communal Effort for a United Purpose. Damn Buncha Hippies.
As opposed to … Every fucking body for themselves and if you can’t keep up, Fuck You
Well, since we’re not generally known for our Collective Intelligence – especially when we’re all bunched up in This Group, That Group, or even the Stock Market – Our Founders designed that famous “Balance” in Our System that would, best as possible, give us The Way™ to follow, an OSX if you will, to allow us to keep that “Balance” as we deal with the Microsofts of the World. And that little bit of Microsoft in each of us.
Is OK … Be a Capitalist, even have a Monopoly, just don’t Fuck Your Neighbor™ in the process
Some Really Smart Guy™ said (sorta) …
“A Truly Intelligent Person can hold two Opposite Ideas in their Mind at the same time, and find Truth in Each”
I know, maybe too Zen for some, but we’ll keep working on it. Have To …
This the only Spinnin’ Ball we got
Well, least until Steve gets iBeam™ ready, then we can try Some iPlace Else …
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(TT … right on time for Last Resort … No More New Frontier, Got to Make It Here)
Now, Vietnam ?
Sure we can go there, but …
Be ready to go All The Way, or don’t get out of the fuckin’ boat …
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Simple Tale …
Was one of the last caught in the Real Draft
Then got dumb ass lucky – so never was In Country
But some Friends and One Brother – not so lucky
Yes, Please … Let’s Pause a Moment … Go There
Give Honor to Those There Forever …
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Ok, Moment Up … Muster Up
Ready to Get Out of the Boat Now ? …
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BC
GIMMIE AN F!!!!!
If I have to hear again BS about “fixed” news and it’s sister program ratings I’ll puke, … has no one ever seen a car wreck at the side of the road… faux is big ratings because of “rubber neckers” looking at the nasty mess that is “faux” news… it is an ugly sight and no one can look away despite the horrors…
get a clue MDN! et all… if you have to tell em you are number one then you’re NOT.
See what happens MDN when you even try to present your take equally, as balanced as you can?
The opposition mindlessly attacks, without abandon.
Peoples, can’t you just go by the philosophy of “don’t likey, don’t watchy”? The cable news ratings already tell the true story, something you cannot deny. People do like, and they do watch.
I’m thankful that we are allowed our “take” in this country!
c1 … thought I gave ya 3 or 4 of ’em … need more ? …
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I’ll take all I can get.
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TT … took me a minute to dig that “Journey” out of the old files, d’oh …
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No way could show you or anyone much of anything, much less everything
But remember a sniff or two of something from back over yonder …
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Not sure if read this somewhere along the way – hard to imagine no one else has noticed.
Joni’s poetry, her words, meter, phrasing, yada yada – are so unique she had to go learn Jazz from Mingus and those guys to invent her own New Music to fit those words.
Or something like that …
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Know this for Fact …
She’s One Restless Daughter … Keep close eye on her Papá …
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Now, c1zSnapGF … bet you do …
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Actually, Mingus worked with her in his last days on this album
http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?id=252119096&s=143441
That album has Wayne Shorter, Herbie Hancock, and my hero Jaco Pastorius on it.
Obviously, she established herself in the jazz field years earlier.
And don’t forget, “God Must Be A Boogie Man” to send us one like Charles Mingus.
Middle of the road? I don’t think so. That organization is borderline communist. That would be like saying PBS and NPR are middle of the road. No freaking way. Pure statists all the way. You liberals are disgusting and sick and don’t want to see people succeed. We conservatives are for everyone who works hard to be able to create a great life for themselves and family without the government taking it all away and sticking their noses in everyone’s business. You libs claim to not do but you are in everyone’s bedroom, garage, kitchen, etc. Leave us the hell alone!
“You libs claim to not do but you are in everyone’s bedroom, garage, kitchen, etc. Leave us the hell alone!”
Be afraid. Be very afraid. We are coming for you.
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We are coming for all of you. Bwahahahaaaa!!!
BBC????
Well, if you insist, but …
What if that Dumb Ass LibTard Neighbor of yours catches his house on Fire ?
And it goes over to yours, want us to come then ?
BC
TT … glad to find you have such a Cultivated Pallet in Post Modern Pop Jazz Folk Fusion
Or whatever the hell it can be called …
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Was Classically Trained from a puppy in Brass, Strings, and cut my teeth not only on Joni and Mingus, but about any of ’em out there from Mozart to Cherokee Tribal Chants
So always been kinda funny for me to try to pigeon hole any Music
Ok, here’s a good ‘un ….
Name the guy many say would have been one the Premier Jazz Musicians of the Late 20th Century – if he’d been born in New York City instead of West Texas ?
Willie … made a Life driving Nashville, Record Industry, and Music “Analyst” … Totally Nutz
“Them that don’t know him won’t like him, and them that do sometimes won’t know how to take him. He ain’t wrong, he’s just different, but his pride won’t let him do things to make you think he’s right”
Can only reckon his Mama must have let him ? …
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BC
Sorry, BC, but Willie is from the heart of Texas, not West, but Central, like Lyle Lovett.
In most states that wouldn’t matter, but in Texas it is several hundred miles, out towards the land of Buddy Holly, Waylon Jennings, Woody Guthrie, and of course, the great Roy Orbison.
And for reference, I was trained in classical piano in grade school, moved on to pop guitar in junior high, and ended up at NTSU studying jazz bass back when this guy was the big dog there, and actually took a music appreciation class of his.
http://www.library.unt.edu/music/special-collections/leon-breeden/
¡Viva Vivaldi!
Has there ever been an MDN discussion that has gone 6 pages before?
Observation: We live in ‘interesting’ times with a hell of a lot of LOST people.
BRAVO to the gang here who continue to prove that intelligence still exists among mankind.
Neo-Con-Job suckers: I feel very sad for you and what you bring upon yourselves, and upon me, no thank you.
And PLEASE MDN, don’t mention FuxNews here ever again. OK? It has to be the biggest possible waste of bandwidth EVER on the Internet. So sick of stooopidness in my country…
derrick
http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/11293/
http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/11581/
and please, lefties, quit whining about Fox News.
So sick of closedmindedness in my country….
You liberal dopes love to use the police, fire, etc. type of lame argument for why you exist. That couldn’t be farther from the truth of why you exist. Conservatives are all for basic public services and defense of our country. We are not for you liberal nut jobs poking your annoying noses into every aspect of everyone’s lives. We are not into rewarding failure and punishing success. We do not believe in redistributing wealth. We do not believe in this global warming (relabeled “climate change”) farce to grab more power and control over everything. We do not believe in this Maobama care bill designed to destroy our excellent quality health care and give liberals even more and basically the ultimate power over our lives. We do not believe that government is the answer to our problems. We want small government that stays out of our lives as much as possible and respects the fruits of our labor, ie. private property. Help the truly needy, do not support and reward bad behavior. You libtards just can’t help yourselves though. You get a thrill down your legs over trying to stick your noses into everything. We resent that and won’t stand for it. It’s very evident the majority of the nation has realized what a monumental mistake it was to put you libs in power and it will be rectified in the next two elections.
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/52602
Conservatives Now Outnumber Liberals in All 50 States, Says Gallup Poll
Monday, August 17, 2009
Up yours libs!
So sick of stooopidness in my country…
So are we and it comes in a never ending spew from you liberal power addicts. Get a life libs and leave us the hell alone.
Woman gives birth on pavement ‘after being refused ambulance
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1207151/Woman-gives-birth-pavement-refused-ambulance.html
Never mind the power that these systems give to the government. The governments can not effectively run anything.
I said it best: Neo-Con-Job suckers. No propaganda rhetorical BS changes the fact. yawn. You get what you ask for.
How about that phony stimulus bill that you libs rammed through under the lie about urgency and have to spend barely any of it. Why the urgency? Where’s that government efficiency? More money that every US president ever has spent in this one, loaded full of pork and paybacks to supporters, bill. You liberals are the worst of the worst!
Wow Derric,
What a great come back. You really have your finger on the pulse of the issues………… Deuche.
And intelligence from the Neo-Con-Job suckers happens when? I can goad and eviscerate all day. But you described yourself best: closed mind. So instead I’m playing with you and laughing. Does that hurt? And these people think they comprehend politics.
(o_0)
“Conservatives Now Outnumber Liberals in All 50 States”
And it seems to coincide with the rise in dementia in the U.S.
TT
Since my Father born in Texarkana (TX not ARK) where the Family had moved to in late 1800s
Everything else is “west” Texas …
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BC
Yeah that liberal agenda is doing wonders for our economy and unemployment rate. I really can’t wait for higher taxes and costs for everything. Cut taxes to spur the economy. Tax revenues go way up, everyone does better. This liberal agenda is insane and does not work!
What is this derreck person talking about??? Makes no sense. The only thing he’s eviscerated is himself. Tool.
BC
You may be certain everything is west,
but Uncertain is south….
http://maps.google.com/maps?client=safari&rls=en&q=uncertain,+tx&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&split=0&gl=us&ei=AMuKStivK-G_tget0-Uj&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=image&resnum=1
Liberals are deranged.
We seem to have made Glenn Beck sad.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/8/17/768507/-Glenn-Beck-Boycott-has-right-wing-bloggers-frightened!-(UPDATE-X4:-Beck-Speaks!)-
Hee hee! Suck on it wingnuts!
TT … Ha
Never knew about that, but do know are lot of “uncertainties” down yonder in Caddo Country
(hint, hint – watch yer gas peddle around Vivian, La .. they don’t think much of Pahaskas)
Now, here’s another for you …
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Some of my Uncles knew Ross Perot back when they were all young punks together
One ol’ Aunt loved to tell the stories …
“Yep, even then that Boy would always get down to brass tacks”
BC
Ok Folks … let’s try to make this simple as can be
But one at a time, Respect Your Neighbor, No Pushing
What is a “Conservative” ?
What is a “Liberal” ?
And don’t give us some 7th Grade Bullshit Answer you heard on Radio by someone else
Nor any quickie Graffiti Joke – unless YOU wrote it ?
YOU have to Define what YOU Think and Believe, dig ?
No Lazy Answers Allowed …
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Then, after you’ve completed THAT assignment … do this
Tell us about the Taliban – Conservative or Liberal ?
What about the Chinese, or Russians, or Brazilians ?
Where do they all fit in this Global Political Spectrum compared to your Definitions ?
And please be Concrete and Specific
Thank You
BC
Yep, Ross is a character. Thank God he didn’t become President.
His philanthropy is much appreciated, though.
http://www.trahc.org/perot.shtml
He helped preserve and renovate the old Saenger Theater.
And my hint is to never go to Blanchard, LA.
Got stopped there on my way to a Van Halen concert back in the day (1980).
Could have been worse. They robbed me rather than jailed me.
(at least they let me keep my beer….and stuff)
BC
You can’t apply conservative and liberal labels to different societies or times relative to our terminology.
Were the Puritans ‘liberal’ for thinking outside the box and wanting religious freedom, or were they ‘conservative’ for being religious?
Were the Bolsheviks liberal for wanting a new system, or ‘conservative’ for wanting more freedom?
Were the East Germans liberal to want to change the system, or conservative to want the government off their backs?
Those terms are relative to the type of government and society they are being used in.
They do NOT always signal religious zealots.
They do NOT always refer to Socialism.
class dismissed….
The old ruler ‘cross the knuckles. Ouch!
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TT …. awww, C’mon … you Copping Out
“Those terms are relative to the type of government and society they are being used in”
They Are? … Says Who? … and is THAT your final answer ?
Did those terms just Miracle Their Ass™ into existence in the past 30 or 40 years ?
Or maybe only since 1984? Either literally or metaphorically ?
Or did this Newspeak start 12 Sep 2001 ?
Hoped you’d “Get It” and see “real problem” here at MDN and about everywhere in USA Today
Too many Folks using words as rocks. No sense of History, Context, or Meaning behind them
Just little kids screaming gibberish in the school yard
Well, least one thing you said gives me hope for your Epistemological Quest
You appear to believe in “Relativity” …
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Now, once we get all this Political, Social, Culture Stuff out of the way
Then we can talk about Something Really Serious™
When, Where, Who, etc … truly invented “Rock and Roll” ?
BC
And …
Gill … had one who always threw erasers, the chalkboard kind
And with “aim” to rival a laser guided missile … duck and cover
(oh yea, and TT, trust me on this, I can dream up more questions than you have answers
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Ok, you didn’t ask it, but is what you were curious about
So I’ll go ahead and answer it anyway, no charge …
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Yes, you are “correct” in a sense … they ARE “relative” to Time, Society, etc
Ok, but now … what IS that relationship ?
And you don’t have to answer me, just to yourself, Zen Stuff
BC
You’re using the ‘treat them as kids’ attitude again, without offering any substance…so who’s copping out?
I stand by what I said…empirically.
To turn your question around, who says I’m wrong?
And who are THEY to do so?
No one said those were new terms.
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(reading comprehension is important)
What I said was, they have different meaning under different conditions. They are dynamic, despite the static in your response.
Now, your assignment, (if you can indulge us)
Explain to the class why you disagree with the teacher, what you base that decision on, and is there a chance that you may be prejudicial in your assessment of who the ‘bad’ and ‘good’ people are in world struggles of the past, which is to say, do you think the Liberals were always the good guys fighting the evil ‘conservatives’?
We still need a couple of pages to help derrickcurrie feel validated, so an honest opinion, with real answers, rather than open ended questions, might just be what we need.
TT, don’t bring up words like “good” or “bad”
I said nothing like that, did I ?
You seem to agree that word’s meanings are dynamic, yes ?
Ok, then tell how you think Conservative and Liberal have changed over the years
Or have they always been the same, and for how long, etc ?
So MDN is a right-wing whacko. So noted.
We are Republicans and we say that Global Warming is a lie. And the scientists who researched it are liars. And the photographic documentation is all photoshopped. And all the satellite imagery is faked. And all the scientific journals are run by liberal elitists who are publishing lies. And even if the earth is warming up, which we say it is not, it must be God’s will and therefore unquestionable. That is what we Republican stand for. Thank God we have Fox News to expose the lies of the liberal media establishment, because no other source of news in the world will tell the truth! All the rest are liars who are telling lies.
“TT, don’t bring up words like “good” or “bad””
Uh, yeah, I will. It was in a question…that you didn’t answer.
“I said nothing like that, did I ?”
Didn’t say you did…did I? I was asking for a clarification on what you base your beliefs on.
“You seem to agree that word’s meanings are dynamic, yes ?”
Yes.
“Ok, then tell how you think Conservative and Liberal have changed over the years”
Not a specific question. Do you mean certain people here in the USA, certain movements over the past decade, generation, century, millennium?
“Or have they always been the same, and for how long, etc ?”
Well, what do you think?
Now, if you want to be the real teacher, give some ideas, and quit hiding behind questions. Have the balls of montex, but the brains of, well, just having one puts you way ahead of him already…..
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montex
Keep believing in those stereotypes, and you will never understand how a majority of Americans think, which will cripple you in any debate.
Of course, it’s so much easier to believe in what Hollywood puts out…
“Know thine enemy”
My vote: Montex WINS!
That was my laugh of the day, albeit cynical.
Well done gang! One might have believed we were all actually serious. Thank goodness real people don’t actually think like sheep.
;-D
@TowerTone
Perhaps I was a bit too subtle in my sarcasm. I thought my political affiliation was easily surmised by the posting DIRECTLY ABOVE my obviously ridiculous and unbelieveable rant. But perhaps you expect all right-wingers to be comically out of touch with reality. I certainly do, which is why mocking them is so much fun!
Page 7 anyone? Bueller?
What a waste of white space. I hope none of you have real jobs, I’m starting to see why no one ever knows how to carry on a face to face conversation any more. Stuck in your mom’s basements arguing over how to spell Fox News with some sort of highly evolved wit. Truly brilliant people.
Way to carve out a path in this life, the only one you got, nerds.
And now I’m contributing to the problem, just when I thought I was out, you pulled me back in.
TT
Was hoping you already saw what I wrote here about 5 pages back to MDN … will repeat for you
(one more time, from the top)
I don’t give a shit about Your Politics, or MDNs Politics, or Anyone’s Anything
(you can play sax, drums, or tuba … rock, pop, or rap)
What I do give a shit about is Rational Thought and Clear Communication
(got to be able to read music, play in tune, and keep a beat)
That is what’s lacking in many Comments … here and other places
(are a lot of folks just squawking and honking)
And that’s what I’ve been talking about here for the last 5 pages, thought you understood, sorry
(maybe I was being too jazzy with some riffs that were hard to follow)
Not trying to teach you or anyone, but expect us to aim for an Educated and Lucid Exchange of Ideas
(no lessons, but if someone is off beat and out of tune, I won’t be quiet about it)
Granted, we won’t always hit that Bull’s Eye, but not sure many even know where to look for the Target
(what the hell is BC talking about with all this stuff in these parenthesis things)
But perhaps a few here will accept this never ending quest for Intelligent Adult Conversation
(practice won’t make perfect, but perfect practice is a start)
Just think of it as exercise we can use later to convince Windows Folks to switch to Mac …
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(or maybe get that damn drummer to accent 2 + 4, not 1 + 3)
BC
(yea, thought you might like this metaphor, smile)
montex
I’ve read your post for years. That may sarcasm, but does it not reflect your true view of the right? I use your post before that one as evidence.
BC
Yes, I get your point. At what point did you finally get mine?
Mad Hatter
Didn’t I see you at a Tea Party?
may *be* sarcasm
Liberals are the ultimate sheep/drones. Follow your dear leader right down the drain and destroy the one bastion of hope and opportunity on the planet. Global warming is a complete farce. That is why it is now called climate change. That way no matter what happens they can blame us for whatever happens and create all kinds of new taxes and rules for us. I love it when liberals tell me to use one piece of toilet paper to wipe my ass every time I have to go. I love it when liberals stir up race wars and class warfare to try to perpetually get re-elected. Liberal leaders only care about more power for themselves. Not the good of the people. Keep droning along liberals. Conservatives are for the principals of individual rights and private property. We are not slaves to the government. Although you libs are trying to turn us all into slaves of the government through taking away our private property. The US will very soon be the highest taxed country in the world. You libss like being told what do by your dear all knowing leaders. Pathetic.
@ JC,
“… one piece of toilet paper to wipe my ass …”
I would suggest you use that one piece of toilet paper to wipe your mouth, since it appears to eject the higher amount of shit.
Sorry to disappoint TT, haven’t exercised my constitutional right to congregate yet, but if I go, I will have video camera in hand, and producer one kicka** video with Final Cut Studio on my MacPro Dual 3.0.
So there, huh? Way to bring it back around to the Mac geek in all of us?
And the wasted contributions continue…..
TT
Sorry, a bit busy with some things today …
Wish this Summer Vacation at the MDN Hotel Resort and Casino could go on forever
So, for the sake of my time at the moment …
Could you give me your point again ?
Thanks, BC
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=aJ01reSCujDQ
Obama Goes Postal, Lands in Dead-Letter Office: Caroline Baum
ELIMINATED HANNITY PROGRAM….
More heavyhandedness from the thugs in the White House. I wondered why this show didn’t run last Sunday, with no explanation whatsoever by FOX. After watching the segments, it’s not hard to figure why it didn’t run. If you want to see it, you’d better hurry before they pull it off the Internet too. Is this the USA, or am I living in some foreign (Muslim) country?????
Thought you might be interested as to what happened to the much touted Hannity expose’ on Obama that was never shown, AND NOT EVEN MENTIONED last Sunday evening on FOX. Well here it is in its entirety, all 6 segments, apparently leaked onto Youtube. [No announcement or mention about it by FOX] The stations must have had good reason to walk away after the obvious expenses of production and all the hype that preceded it.
To everyone who thought the special about Obama was going to be on Hannity. It was taken off. Here are the segments. You better watch now before they are removed too.
Yes, the program was not aired Sunday so it was googled and found the segments had been taken off of the internet as well.
Wonder who blocked this?
Here are the 6 segments
Part 1 –
Part 2 –
Part 3 –
Part 4 –
Part 5 –
Part 6 –
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9A63RC81&show_article=1
NY dealers pull out of clunkers program
TT, and Anyone Else …
Regarding the 5 Postings between this one by me now, and my previous
Could someone explain to me how they help clear any noise from the conversation ?
To me they only appear as something that would make Father Coughlin proud
BC
Ah, yes, Father Coughlin, the liberal fascist supporter of FDR. What a wonderful linkage today’s Democrats have with yesterday’s fascisti.
Rex
With your grasp of History – you should get to Wiki as fast as you can to update their bogus info
“… first with, and later against, the New Deal.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father_Coughlin
And “liberal fascist” … never heard that one before, interesting
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Too Funny
Just re-loaded this page and first thing I see up top there ?
Picture of Sarah with her mouth open
Look out Cleavage Blonde, you got competition, My Lord
You Betcha
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Who cares about your liberal drone posts. The last 5 posts you refer to are packed full of great info exposing you frauds for what you are. And you idiots get so worked up over Sarah Palin. You are supposed to be the party of acceptance of others ideas, women, minorities, etc. When any of those groups have differing views than you you perform all out war against them. Amazing how contradictory you freaks are. No wonder all the polls show you’re going down in flames.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/226/story/74019.html
Drop in world temperatures fuels global warming debate
Bob … of course those 5 posts are packed with info, but is the info valid and presented in a way to enhance that validity, or just rile up any hungry dogs with raw meat ?
And you seem to suppose that I, or others, are Dems or whatever – sorry, no. I’m more of an Anarchist – or perhaps a Libertarian on steroids. Total and complete chaos serves me best cause that would allow me to become invisible and not have to deal with any “system” – think the Tao calls that Nirvana. Or, to rewrite Will Rogers, “I’m not a member of any organized political party. I’m an American.”
Sarah Palin?
C’mon, she’s one hot MILF, admit it. Nothing “wrong” with that, but don’t try to package and sell tits and ass like they’re the same as a brain with a valid vision. Bless her heart, she’s the Ballmer of Politics with a big ‘Kick Me’ sign on her back. Another good example of someone similar to her and in WAY too deep and way over their head in this same fashion – Katie Couric.
And I don’t know about any polls showing anything – flames or not.
About the only polls I put stock in are those we’re all are able to participate in every 2 or 4 years.
And since 2000, combined with fact I’m in Florida and was an Election Worker here at that time – not so sure we can put a lot of stock in THOSE “polls” any more. Well, least not after any results have left the local precincts.
BC
Speaking of that little MILF, last nights re-run episode of ‘The Tonight Show’ was the one with William Shatner reading Palin’s “poetry” in a beatnik style. Hilarious!
Hey Libs are liars …
In my experience have never found God (or Gaia or Mother Nature or whoever up there is pulling any strings) to be a Democrat or Republican.
But glad you seem at least willing to “debate” any Climate Cycles
And yes, the Climate will Cycle – one way or the other, been going on for long time
Now, if you don’t believe predicted forecast of what the Cycle may do in coming years ?
No problem – perhaps I can interest you in some beach front property here in Fla ?
You should be ok with it, but not so sure about your Grandkids …
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BC
Sir GeeBee
Look at you lurking around waiting to pounce on any hanging curve balls
@ BC,
Yep, off this week and bored.
Been “off” all Summer, and sure having fun here …
At the MDN Hotel Resort and Casino
Home of the All You Can Eat Buffet and Tattoo Parlor™
with The Never Ending Virtual Wall of Graffiti ®
Bring the Kids
Why so lengthy an article without first bothering to view the video at the center of the controversy? Not only has it been all over the news; but dude, it took me 30 seconds to find it on YouTube.com. <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzKFYcHKbnk> How can someone be writing for a computer site and not know how to take a few seconds to look up a video online, or know but not bother?
Just a side comment with regard to this political hilarity:
Fascism is the polar opposite of Liberalism. Fascism is a form of extremist Conservatism. Communism is extreme Liberalism, that stuff the Cold War was all about. That stuff that goes on over in Red China where over 70% of Wal-Mart goods come from.
When you hear anyone ‘equate’ Liberalism and Fascism, you are listening to what is called an ‘ignorant person’. You can actually know what you are talking about by doing some homework at Wikipedia.org:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism
@derekcurrie
It’s actually the height of political ignorance to not equate liberalism with fascism. Fascism is not extreme conservatism, it is rather extreme liberalism, just as communism is extreme liberalism. Both ideologies are statist and collectivist, and both are descendants of humanism, which believes in the perfectibility of man: communism through economics; National Socialism through eugenics. Wait, what’s the abbreviation for National Socialism? Oh, yeah, Nazi. Hmmm, socialism, collectivism, statism, eugenics, racism…all liberal policies of the recent past. For further information, please see the administrations of Wilson, FDR, Kennedy, and Johnson in this country. You’ve been disabused.
This is an extract of a precis of Liberal Fascism, by Jonah Goldberg. A good, scholarly effort and a good read. I’m sure it’s upsetting to the Progressives’ world view.
Before World War II, fascism was widely viewed as a progressive social movement both in Europe and in the U.S. But after the Holocaust, American progressives redefined fascism as “right wing” and switched to the Red team of communism. Around this time, Stalin labeled all inconvenient ideas and movements as fascist. Socialists disloyal or opposed to Moscow were called fascists. In the U.S., Wisconsin’s Sen. Joseph McCarthy accurately drew attention to the fact that much of the liberal establishment had been infested with communists. For that crime, he was dubbed a fascist.
The elements of fascism include the creation of crises, nationalistic appeals to unity, the celebration of martial values, the blurring of lines between public and private sectors, use of mass media to glamorize the state, and a cult of personality for the national leader. Terror is used to maintain a permanent sense of crisis. Crisis is used because it short-circuits debate and democratic deliberation. Neither business nor labor gains under fascism; only the ruling clique does. All become victims of an egalitarian destruction.
Liberal fascism is an ideology of good intentions. Its faith is in the perfectibility of man, in the authority of experts, and in the need for an all-powerful state to coordinate society at the national level.
Rex
Some interesting connections you present. Won’t try to argue or convince you about anything concerning their validity, but if you dig around long enough you’ll usually find someone or something to hang your hat on, so to speak. As an example – there were a lot of folks who took a long time to let go of the idea that the Sun went around the Earth.
Now …
What I do appreciate is the name Jonah Goldberg. Never heard of him, but did some wiki-ing.
He seems mildly interesting …
But the Real Deal™ is his Mother, Lucianne – and role she played in Linda Trip/Lewinski story.
Then, what gets VERY interesting is how Mom literally screwed her way to the top in Washington back in the 1960s by doing everyone from Hubert Humphrey to LBJ.
But, of course, that depends on what your definition of the word “is” is.
And always curious about people like Jonah Goldberg.
What would he be doing if it not for his Mother and whatever strings got pulled ?
Same goes for Rush Limbaugh with his Father in Radio.
Yep, if not for their Parents – would they be asking if we “want fries with that” ?
BC
Ok, in the never ending quest to be “Fair and Balanced”
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-january-16-2008/jonah-goldberg
p.s.
And Goldberg might want to reconsider that goatee
Really doesn’t have, imho, the “facial root count” …
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@ BC,
That video clip actually intrigued me, and I wouldn’t mind reading his book. I’d like to hear more of his views on progressivism and his theories on fascism.
Sir Gee Bee
Then you should be commended for your Intellectual Curiosity™
But might be wise to find it for free via Bit Torrent, etc
Goldberg could be the Literary Equivalent of someone like Dorkvat ?
And merely a “hit whore” …
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Or perhaps a better way to put it, d’oh …
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Think Before You Click™
@ BC,
True, he could be, but I read Dvorak on PC Mag and subscribe to Cranky Geeks. He can be very entertaining, and actually makes sense once in awhile.
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BC:
RE: parentage. Interesting, maybe. Of relevance to liberal fascism? Not so much. Is it really better to impugn than to inform?
Cheers,
Rex
Rex … Been busy today, sorry, and will try to visit with you again later this weekend – if MDN hasn’t shut it down by then ?
Rex
To answer your 2nd question first …
The problem I have with Goldberg, from what I was able to quickly research – he appears caught up in a simplistic view of right/wrong, good/bad, black/white. He doesn’t seem willing, or able, to take into account subtle shades of gray. He is, as The Tao would say, caught in the Illusion of Duality and not able to see the Reality that exists in the Middle, which is a combination of the two halves and the True Path to Understanding.
But, that’s just me. And most of why I was impugning him, why I was “calling into question” his statements. And especially when they’re presented as a so called Scholarly Effort in such a Sophomoric fashion. For a similar example – see Dvorak’s writings, or about any of the other “analyst” we’re in here making fun of on a regular basis.
As you continue along Your Path, hopefully you’ll gain greater understanding of that Truth I point toward – and gain greater Wisdom from your Experience. And then you will “inform” yourself as that Reality becomes self evident.
Now, your 1st question …
Sorry, thought it would have been self evident to you that Parents have great influence – and relevance – on their Children’s Ideas and Philosophy. Now the exact influence Goldberg’s Mother had in his “Liberal Facism” is something I’d have to research, of course, before I could dissect those connections to give an elaborate response.
However, seriously doubt we’d even be here talking about this except for his Mother and any influence she exerted to get him where he is now – and where he needed to be in order to get the book published. Again, same idea applies to Limbaugh with his Father in Radio.
Common term for this is nepotism.
Ok, hope that clarifies my thoughts for you some. Please respond with any additional thoughts of your own as we try to remove any mud that gets stirred up when we try to drink from the Well of Reason.
BC
Oh, and p.s.
This quotation you give …
“The elements of fascism include the creation of crises, nationalistic appeals to unity, the celebration of martial values, the blurring of lines between public and private sectors, use of mass media to glamorize the state, and a cult of personality for the national leader. Terror is used to maintain a permanent sense of crisis. Crisis is used because it short-circuits debate and democratic deliberation. Neither business nor labor gains under fascism; only the ruling clique does. All become victims of an egalitarian destruction.”
That sounds like a pretty good description given by many, including Michael Moore in his Fahrenheit Polemic, of America under the Bush Administration following 9-11.
So, again, be careful playing around with just one side of a coin …
Someone might flip it over …
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BC:
1. We were attacked. Have you soon forgotten?
2. You haven’t read the book, so at this point you’re speculating.
3. You’re condescending, which is extraordinarily irritating.
Rex
1. Yes we were attacked on 9-11, as we were on Dec 7, the Maine in Havana Harbor, or Ft Sumter – now you and Goldberg need to take his template, plug in those different Historical Events, and see what comes out the other side. If that template (or thesis, formula, etc) is Valid – then it should apply equally to other similar Historical Events (regardless of who, where, or when), and should yield similar results (or answers, understanding, etc). Common term for that is Scientific Method.
2. Well, did read THAT part of his book. And the only speculation I’m making now is in assuming what you gave was an accurate quote? You did indicate in that direction just before your paragraph shift, but you didn’t include quotation marks.
3. Yea, was thinking same thing myself about Goldberg …
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BC
JC
Global warming is a complete farce. That is why it is now called climate change.
Nice try, monkey boy. Climate change is caused by global warming. Climate change is what is going on as a result of global warming. The reason it’s referred to as climate change is because A: it’s more accurate and expressly points out the result, and 2: idiots like yourself think every freak snowstorm invalidates global warming, because apparently using the term “global” means “tricounty area warming” to the yokels. Typical UScentric thinking where every time a snowplow is needed, “global warming” must be a joke.
But this is hardly surprising. In a country that is a bastion of magical thinking like Creationism, it’s no wonder that the populace has trouble getting their heads around facts and numbers and statistics.
What planet did you step off of numb nuts. CO2 makes up the tiniest of tiniest parts of our atmosphere and it’s plant food. The sun is the main influence on the earth’s climate. The earth has been warming ever since the last ice age. We have had many very hot and and very cold periods on this planet and we will continue to. The continents will shift, we will get hit by meteors, and all kinds of other things will happen. “Climate Change”, as being used by you left wing-commie-nut job-power crazed-psychos, is only being talked about because you left wingers are trying everything in your power to grab all the power to keep yourselves getting re-elected and kept in office. Anyone who’s paying attention knows exactly what’s going on. It has nothing to do with creationism jack ass.
Liberals suck!
Jim: “Liberals suck!”
Hahaha. The joke is getting old. You’re late to the party.
@His Shadow
What planet did you step off of numb nuts.
The planet where CO2 is a greenhouse gas, dipshite. Look it up, but reading and comprehension is probably beyond you.
Creationism has everything to do with it. You live in a backwards land where a sad religious fantasy is seriously considered a substitute for actual science. This then does not make it surprising that you latch onto every silly excuse not to take our effect on the environment seriously, since it doesn’t fit your political view.
CO2 is plant food and is NOT causing global warming you nut case. Another attempt from liberalcommies to grab all of the power humanly possible over the US population. The SUN is the direct cause of the climate jack ass. The earth’s climate has changed so many times. Who the hell do you people think you are that everything will stay exactly as it is. The continents will shift, we’ll be hit by comets or asteroids, lots of ugly change will come that is not the fault of anything you liberalcoms try to blame on us.
Some generic said: “CO2 is plant food and is NOT causing global warming you nut case.”
I have a few degrees in science. I recognize that this generic does not due to his lack of coherent, descriptive information. This sounds more like rabble rousing BS from the HATE MEDIA.
Highly amusing: “Another attempt from liberalcommies….” And I bet he buys his goods from Red China via Wal-Mart, etc. Hello? Anyone home? Is this mind vacant?
Meanwhile: Global Warming has been discussed for a few decades now. Because the subject is the Earth, and we humans have incredibly little comprehension, or willingness to comprehend, how the Earth works, there is a lot of uncertainty about Global Warming.
There is A LOT to read about it so you can understand it. NOT reading about it and spewing HATE MEDIA garbage about it out of ignorance is not acceptable by anyone sane. Do your homework.
My opinion: Any difficult task will be avoided by humans until AFTER the very last moment, at which point hell has broken loose and humans then attempt to clean up the mess they created by ignoring the problem. My very very very favorite example is:
Human over-population. It is the single cause of the vast majority of our problems these days. It will also remain the very last problem mankind will address. We are not yet evolved enough to be willing to deal with it. Our problems then trickle on down from there.
what a bunch of leftist pussies you macdoks are…
Generic coward ‘freddy’ (…most likely Mercury…) has the illness.
Are there any psychiatrists among us who know if there is a name for people with this syndrome? The term ‘sheeple’ just doesn’t cover the extent of their problem. Is there a name for what you get when you cross a sheep with a rabid hyena?
The only word that comes to my mind is Fascist. But of course this is what they call anyone they don’t like: Socialist Fascists. (o_0)
How about TardoFascist?
Until this contemporary illness is better defined, I’m going to continue calling them Neo-Con-Job Suckers. In any case, a sad sign of cultural degradation.