“For years, computer makers have managed to wring a few extra bucks of profit out of each PC sale by bundling all sorts of third-party software,” Ina Fried reports for CNET News.
Fried reports, “While adding software, setting default search engines and including toolbars can all put money in PC makers pockets, the practice has also alienated some consumers who say all such ‘crapware’ is clogging their hard drives and bogging down their systems.”
Fried reports, “Despite some outcry from consumers, there’s still plenty of software being loaded on new machines. In part, that’s because the PC industry needs the cash that such deals offer. Even if the companies get less than $1 per software program that they include on a PC, that can still add up to $10 or $20 in revenue. ‘On a $400 PC, that’s a big thing to get,’ said NPD analyst Stephen Baker.”
“Apple, for its part, is trying to seize on the growing outcry, highlighted in a recent column by Walt Mossberg in The Wall Street Journal. In a new ad that debuted this week, the ‘PC guy’ played by John Hodgman appears so bloated he can barely move,” Fried reports. ‘It’s all this trial software,’ Hodgman says in the spot. ‘They pack my hard drive full of it, all these programs that don’t do very much unless you buy the whole thing…it really slows me down.'”
Fried reports, “For the record, Macs do come with trial versions of Microsoft Office and Apple’s iWork, though the rest of the included software are full versions of programs including the company’s iPhoto and iMovie as well as some third-party titles, such as Comic Life.”
Full article here.
MacDailyNews Take: The commodity-grade WIndows box assemblers are eating themselves and each other in their desperate race to the bottom. As the curious species of Windows-only penny foolish and pound wise* consumers awaken to the facts now and in the future, Apple is and will be standing right there, with gleaming showrooms, ready to show them the world of vastly superior personal computing.
* Yes, we meant it that way: In our experience, Windows PC buyers are weirdly extravagant about small expenditures (they often have very nice USB hubs, for example) and irrationally stingy with large ones. Macs don’t cost more vs. Dell, for example, when you compare machines of similar hardware specs. In fact, Macs often cost less! Apple simply refuses to devalue their brand by offering pieces of junk Macs infested with crapware just to move profitless units in order to win meaningless market share contests a la HP, Dell, et al. And, you can’t get Mac OS X or iLife on an HP, Dell, etc. PC for any price. Get a Mac and you’ll save time and money over some commodity Windows PC well before it’s time for your next Mac. It’s a buying mistake to fixate on sticker price alone. The sticker price is but one factor of cost and, often, not even the most important factor by a large margin. Bottom line: Macintosh. You get what you pay for.
Apple’s “Stuffed” ad from their “Get a Mac” campaign:
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Mossberg decries Windows Vista’s dog slow boot and restart times vs. Apple’s Mac OS X – April 06, 2007
Way cool! I love it.
Now that was funny!
Well done Apple (and Hodgeman)
All aboard…! The train is leaving the station!
Somehow I think it’s more than $20 per PC, what with the large amount of it on most PCs. It’s a dilemma for PC makers who need to claim a lower purchase price because the cost of ownership is so high.
It’s not just that Apple are able to not include crappy extra software because they charge more it’s primarily that they don’t want to include extra software unless there is a genuine reason such as with office. Of course, it’s arguable that Apple do charge more but at least any premium you do pay is related to the quality of the machine itsef before these sort of considerations even become a factor.
Sometimes the cheap truly is the enemy of the good.
It’s funny how an idea gets legs and it all the rage amongst writers for a period of time then dies. Appears the writers can’t come up with their own ideas.
In other news, water is wet, sky is blue, people like beer and sex.
Apple also includes ‘crapware’ on new macs too. Look at the included software with the MacBook, Microsoft Office 2004 for Mac Test Drive, iWork (30-day trial), Big Bang Board Games, Comic Life, OmniOutliner. That’s two programs that don’t do much until purchased. Talk about hypocrites.
Yeh, really hard to delete all that OS X crapware, crapware.
Idiot.
I have used dells, HPs, compaq, gateway, and emachines before buying a MacBook Pro…
All I can say is…Crap will always cost less(in the short term) than quality! I had to learn this the hard way.
Macs have superior hardware and software…I firmly believe you might pay a little more up front for a Mac, but it saves you much more later.
Comparable windows systems no longer really have a price advantage over similarly configured Macs.
Long live the Mac!
@crapware:
With the exception of the Office Test Drive all of the software included with the MacBook is the full version – no restricted functionality, no nags.
And uninstalling stuff you don’t want is easy, just drag it to the Trash.
You can’t do that on a PC.
Amazing. In the Windows universe, two noninvasive trial programs (of high quality even) are equal to > 20 invasive variable quality plus a bunch of useless services. Do you even think before you post, guy? Or is this the most lucid that you are all day?
Hypocrites? Do those programs boot up automatically? NO. Moron.
What a dismal dismal future MS painted us into.
“Appears the writers can’t come up with their own ideas.”
Which is why the Pulitzer Prizes are still high achievements and an honor.
I suppose if all this stuff is called “Crapware” that makes Windows a toilet.
No wonder they felt bound to release a brown Zune.
All makes sense now.
Did I miss an announcement about singular v. plural? When did a company (Apple) become plural? (“…Apple are able to not include…, … they don’t want to include…, … Apple do charge more…”) Yer FREAKIN’ ME OUT, JER!
MDN Magic Word: such, as in “This is such a weird usage.”
Yeah, the new “bloated PC” and “vista security man” are my favorites of the recent offerings. I don’t really get the “let me calculate how much time I’ve wasted” episodes. Is it more of the “Macs are for creative types, PCs are for serious work” nonsense?
I’ll bet Rob Glaser is not amused at the obvious comparisons to his bloatware and his, um, bloatwear.
Jim:
You’re right, it may not be hard to remove but it is included ‘crapware’. Microsoft Office 2004 for Mac Test Drive uses around 400MB of hard drive space and the iWork (30-day trial) is almost 600MB. That’s about 1GB of “programs that don’t do very much unless you buy the hole thing.” And the rest of the included software (excluding OmniOutliner) is just plain useless.
BustingTheSkullsOfIdiots:
As for saying I’m apart of the ‘Windows Universe’ is completely untrue. I’ve been using a Mac since 1994 and have over 6 in my house vs. the one Dell.
Also is there anyway we could have a mature conversation? You’re not in elementary school any more. Words like idiot and moron are just completely uncalled for.
For “@ M.X.N.T.4.1” . . .
In British English (as opposed to American English), most (if not all) collective nouns are considered PLURAL, as in “Apple are . . . .”
In this country (USA), “Apple IS . . .” is more common, simply becaue we think of the corporate noun as a single entity rather than a collection of individuals.
OK?
Unfortunatly Apple’s Quicktime has been named #10 of Top PC Annoyances
No wonder I can’t view Apple’s QT on a PC, no IT tech will install it.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,130638-page,3-c,techindustrytrends/article.html
http://www.windowsdevcenter.com/pub/a/windows/2005/02/22/internetannoy.html?page=last
“And the rest of the included software (excluding OmniOutliner) is just plain useless.”
For you. In your opinion, they don’t fit your needs. I see a pattern. Don’t you?
@Randian:
In ‘proper’ British english as distinct from common usage, ‘Apple’ would, as a corporate body, be considered singular.
Unfortunately common usage, often by people who should know better, generally renders it as a plural.
Did I miss an announcement about singular v. plural? When did a company (Apple) become plural? (“…Apple are able to not include…, … they don’t want to include…, … Apple do charge more…”) Yer FREAKIN’ ME OUT, JER!
You are correct. There are many people on message boards trying to “impress” us with their grammatical skills, only to sound like morons.
Apple is a SINGLE company. True, it has many employees, but when referring to Apple as a company, it’s ONE company.
Apple IS…
Not: Apple are…
For those about to argue against me, remember that you, a human body, are made up of billions of cells. If Apple is plural due to numerous people making it function, then YOU are plural since numerous cells make you function.
I am not impressed that Windows machines have a large market share.
I am impressed that Apple makes so much more money in comparison to the Windows machine manufacturers.
Apple, Apple’s shareholders and Apple’s end users clearly have the Windows world beat.
Thanks, dd. My thoughts, exactly. When I read these posts, it’s almost unbearable to see things like:
your used for you’re
their used for they’re or there
wtf used for…well, never mind
I just couldn’t let the company be plural this time.
Grammar and usage are anachronisms today, unfortunately. It’s nice to have someone else who gives a rip.
Ha! MDN Magic Word is theres. There’s no reason theirs should be any different.
“clog hard drives, bog down PCs with ‘crapware’”
some warm green tea will take care of that….
“Crapware”? How about “crap-posts”?
We thought that this was a discussion about unnecessary software, not unnecessary grammar. Language fascists pointing out proper/improper grammar usage is so grammar-school.
Q: Are we not men?
A: We are DEVO!
Bravo M.X.N.T.4.1 and dd for pointing out what ought to be obvious but apparently the majority of the people on this forum don’t get, that Apple is indeed a single entity.
And as for the Brits who don’t get it, Apple is a single American based company. It is not a ‘plural’ company such as you presumably must have in Britain.
I need someone to assemble my box.
Two demo pieces of software don’t make a bogged down system especially on the Mac.
Oh yeah, the spot rocks too. Totally hi-larious!! (^_^) And gets the point across too. Good going Apple! (singular or plural, it matters not…)
“. . . then YOU are plural since numerous cells make you function.”
Some of me disagrees with most of some of the parts of you. Or is it the sum of the parts?
The rest of mine just makes wee from what’s left of we. Disposed of on the our.
Yeah, no grammar smackdowns in here. We’re more interested in political rants. Oh wait, that’s not right, either.
Correct usage for a corporation, here or across the pond, is as a singular entity. Thus, “Apple is the best computer company on the planet.”
However, the limeys are often confused because of the way they describe cricket teams- “England are gone, having lost.”
Sometimes we really are two countries separated by a common language.
“I need someone to assemble my box.”
And someone to disassemble your hard drive?
I are grammatically incorrect.
Oh, Chrissy, you mean disassemble you, you freak.
Wade, you dummy, that common language is the Pacific Sea…..
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@Randian
You’re exactly wrong. I don’t know what sort of crazy language you speak in the USA but in English, the native language of England, collective nouns are singular (that’s why they exist). When speaking of sheep, you say the flock IS doing something, not the flock ARE doing something.
@me too
Stop with the gratuitous Brit-bashing. The guy said “In this country (USA)” so he is obviously just an ignorant Merkan.
@ Raymond in DC
In the flashback, young Mac says “want to see my pictures?” and in the present Mac says “want to see my movie?”. To each, PC can only answer “let me calculate etc.” Summary: Mac has modernized and advanced, but PC can still only do the same boring stuff he could only do in the past…
great Mac news.. thanks.
Moron, Idiot, Freak, etc. Honest is the best policy, just ask Apple.
Just like some people are willing to stand in line at the grocery store for half an hour to buy a piece of fruit with a coupon, some people are willing to spend hours taking off crap programs they don’t need off of a $400 P.C. or living with a bogged down system.
Let Dell, HP and the like have the fruit coupon folks. It’s always possible that some of them will have enough sense and intelligence to shed their frustration and buy a Mac when they need a new system.
“I don’t really get the “let me calculate how much time I’ve wasted” episodes. Is it more of the “Macs are for creative types, PCs are for serious work” nonsense?”
I kinda like it. I think it points out how ridiculous people sound when they say things like macs are toys, macs are for kids, macs are for creatives only.
Macs are for people. PCs are for Vogons.
@ChrissyOne
Really…
Also is there anyway we could have a mature conversation? You’re not in elementary school any more. Words like idiot and moron are just completely uncalled for.
Yea, you guyz. Don’t talk like idiots.
Moronz.
MDN: “week”, as in this is a weak conversation
@ doG
{{I’m laughing too hard to comment on your post.}}
PC broke the fourth wall! Now I can’t believe they’re computers!
In Merka, where “enormity” means “large”, a “billion” means far less than it does anywhere else, and a collective noun is always singular, then the Beatles is going to end up in iTunes.
The Stones is on iTunes, too.
So much for Merka.
I kind of like it when people use the words “idiot” and “moron”. Since we cannot visually see the posters on an internet forum it helps me to know their age when they use this kind of language.
You can not only tell their age and emotional maturity fairly closely but you can also get a very good idea of the intelligence based on the language they use to express themselves.