“The war for college students’ hearts, ears and tuitions has begun, placing Cornell as a central battlefield in the fight to serve digital music and media to over 14 million increasingly tech-savvy pupils,” Michael Morisy writes for The Cornell Daily Sun. “And now, Napster has come — in a big way — to the Cornell campus to claim its share of what is shaping up to be a $270 million dollar online market next year.”
“One major complaint from… students and several technology watchdogs is that, with Napster, students using Macintosh, Linux or even older Windows machines are unable to run the software, yet they are still forced to subsidize the service. Beth Goelzer Lyons ’91, Marketing and News Analyst for Cornell Information Technology, gave the Sun estimates indicating about 20 percent of Cornell students could not run the current Napster technology,” Morisy writes. Full article here.
“The RIAA and its business front Napster signed up six more universities today to their music rental service – a program that could force parents to shell out even more money for higher education costs,” Ashlee Vance reported for The Register back in July. “Cornell University, the George Washington University, Middlebury College, University of Miami, the University of Southern California and the Wright State University (Ohio) have all pledged to have Napster up and running in the near future. The schools join Penn State University and University of Rochester as Napster subscribers. That’s a grand total of eight schools in the last nine months that have agreed to become music vendors and pay an RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America) tax to avoid lawsuits against their students.” Full article here.
“Students soon will have a cheap way of downloading music without having to resort to illegal piracy. Vanderbilt teamed up with Napster this semester to introduce VUMix, a program that students may use to obtain and share music. Starting Oct. 1, all undergraduate, graduate and professional students with Windows PC operating systems will have the opportunity to subscribe to VUMix service and download full-length songs, officials said,” Jacqueline Wilde reports for The Vanderbilt Hustler.
“Senior Paige Thompson said she is excited to use VUMix. Thompson, her iPod always by her side, shares a common bond with many college students — a love for all the latest and greatest music,” Wilde reports. Full article here.
MacDailyNews Take: Too bad Paige won’t be able to use her iPod with Napster without first burning her Napster WMA songs to CDs and ripping them back into iTunes – a tedious and time-consuming process. As for the streaming music, Mac students are shut out, but they’re still paying for Napster. All students at these Napster schools are paying for the service, even Mac-using students who cannot use the service as Napster is PC only and requires Windows XP/2000,Microsoft Internet Explorer 5.1 or higher, and Windows Media Player 7.1 or higher.
Mac-using students at these Napster schools are getting shafted royally. They are paying to subsidize Windows students’ use of Napster. Plain and simple, Mac-using students at these Napster schools are getting ripped off, ignored, and are basically expected to bend over and take it.
Apple, for its part, on September 1, launched iTunes on Campus which is aimed at helping colleges and universities stem the tide of illegal music downloading on campus. Apple offers educational institutions a free institutional site license for the iTunes application and the ability to purchase songs for students at a discount. The iTunes on Campus program enables universities to provide students with a legal option for downloading music from the Internet and managing their digital music collection. Universities can also take advantage of the iTunes Affiliate Program to generate funds for their school. More than 55 colleges and universities have signed up for site licenses through iTunes On Campus to date. More information on the program can be found at [url=http://www.apple.com/education/itunesoncampus]http://www.apple.com/education/itunesoncampus[/url] .
Apple’s iTunes runs on both Mac and Windows personal computers. Schools that adopt iTunes do not shut out large portions of the student body that use Macs. They do not force Mac-using students to pay for a service they cannot use.
Students on Napster campuses who choose to use Macs need to decide if they are willing to pay for services they cannot utilize. Are you a student in such a predicament? If so, what are you going to do about it?
Ashlee Vance for The Register recently penned an opinion piece entitled, “Apple faithful’s apathy to blame for Napsterized schools.” Vance wrote, “Apple users have this nasty habit of dishing out vicious assaults when you don’t want to hear them and staying awfully quiet when you’d like them to chirp up. No where is this pattern more evident than at the universities who have signed up for Napster’s music rental service. These schools have run right over the famous Apple faithful, and the Mac addicts seem to enjoy the process.” Full article here.
Mac-using students at these Napster schools should band together and protest being forced to pay for something in which they cannot participate. These schools may not even realize the problem, having been sold a bill of goods by Napster. Do you think Napster mentioned the fact that all Mac-using students would be left out? If Mac-using students do something and do it loud enough, the schools will be forced to listen. If they don’t, they have only themselves to blame.
Keep in mind that iTunes does not run on older (pre 2000) windows versions, nor on linux. That said, it seems that Apple says nothing about administering an ‘everyone has to pay for it’ system – apple just offers a discount rate, and students (presumably) will buy songs as they need. So Apple does not force students into this type of system (Apple leaves that up to the colleges to decide). What pisses me off is that Napster actually NEGOTIATED these deals with each of the universities, playing a big part of screwing over the students.
Maybe the RIAA should realize that the reason their products aren’t selling well is that their music are losing any perception of value. The promise of lowering CD prices, for instance, was never delivered. It pisses me off to no end that they achieve so much power, too – maybe they should waste less money on fabricating bands that ‘may or may not make it’, bands that are created solely in the interest of making money.
Anyone who thinks that only 20% of their student body is using a Mac or Linux (or some old version of Windows) really needs to put down their bong. The Mac (especially the iMac, eMac, and iBook models) still has a high market-share among students, and Linux is a must-have for CS majors who intend to get more than a MSCE (i.e., all of them).
I wonder how Admissions directors will feel when the parents of Mac-owning students start using their school’s Napster agreement as a reason for not considering their institution. As the parent of a high school student, I will find it hard to send our son and his iMac to a school that has a Napster or similar agreement that we’ll have to pay for even though no Mac support is offered.
Subsidizing other individuals� occupations (i.e. tax breaks), nonproductive occupations (i.e. welfare), and television programs (i.e. bundled programming), as a few examples, is nothing new to the United States.
How dare anyone criticize Napster for what they are doing? Napster is only emulating standard and long-standing business and governmental practices.
While I do not support Libertarian ideas 100% I have to say that America�s welfare mentality has promoted the idea in too many persons� minds that subsidization is not only acceptable, but necessary.
The Vanderbilt Hustler is really one of the poorest college student newspapers I have seen. This coming from a student there. We’d probably make fun of its name a bit more, but we don’t want to kick a horse while it’s down. The spelling and grammar mistakes (sometimes within front page headlines) provide plenty of fodder to go around.
The thing NCrapster offered is subscriptions, this is being implemented because most college students are poor.
So instead of stealing music, they get to rent it.
But what the stupid RIAA doesn’t realize is, that students are smart. They will rent the music and then use sofware that hijacks the music and makes MP3’s.
All it takes is one smart geek who needs a few extra bucks and the whole campus is back to illegal music again.
The same with iTunes, people can download and then convert the music into Mp3.
The only difference is the RIAA makes money with iTunes and with Napster the university has to force college students to pay.
meat of+moose, that has to be the most contorted logic I have read lately. You need to spend some actual time thinking about the distinctions between forced subsidies in which there is a social policy ordinarily adopted by elected officials to promote some form of income shifting or desired policy objective [e.g., welfare, mortgage tax breaks, etc.], commercial television, which subsidizes programming freely available to anyone with a TV set, and exclusionary subsidies such as the one at issue here. It is the exclusionary nature of this subsidy, over which those excluded have neither voice nor electoral nor economic vote, that is so obnoxious. And you could stand a little comparative governmental analysis. While I agree that we already have too much of this stuff here in the U.S., we have less than many nations.
and what about those who have no interest in music, regardless of platform. it seems to be assumed that everyone wants this music thing. and maybe some people are still happy with getting their stuff on cd from a music store. or listen to it on vinyl. it happens. do they have to pay the riaa music tax too? this is a rank situation – how did america ever let it go so far?
Does anyone know how much money we’re talking about here? Is this something itemized into tuition or is this something like an activity fee? If this is something on the order of $5 a month for 8 months, I don’t think anyone is going to decide against enrolling in a good school because the tech folks decided to go with a platform that only supports 80% of the student body. It’s definitely not something worth protesting over. Just chalk it up to the “mac tax”. They get viruses and rental music, the mac users get to buy and own their music, but have to pay a little extra.
I never use the Napster service and I don’t know anyone who does but no one is complaining because the tuition at USC is so much that its miniscule in comparison. I’d rather have had them strike a deal with iTunes, though, as I and most of the university in general are iPod users.
Would be cool if Apple released a version of iTunes for Linux, and then shout loud that we’re more compatible than the compatible world of “widows”
Much as I love all things Maccy, there are a few problems here. Mac users aren’t excluded – they can run WMA on Windows Media Player (for Mac). Just as PC users can run AAC (etc.) on iTunes. Personally I wouldn’t touch WMP with a barge-pole attached to a shitty stick, but clearly my exclusion would be a matter of choice, not necessity.
Apple is behaving like Microsoft over their Fairplay licencing, using Monopoly power to limit consumer choice. Obviously it’s unbelievably rich that Real and Microshite should criticise them for this . . . but that doesn’t invalidate the root accusation. Unless there’s some detail we’re not aware of (maybe some deal they cut with the record companies in order to get iTunes website up and running or some-such) their behaviour makes no sense. Anyone who thinks that the iPod will be dominating the market in another 12 months (certainly to the same extent) doesn’t have a clear grasp of history. Even the Walkman only had about 18-24 months as Godzilla. And clearly Apple’s supply problems are going to accelerate this process.
Getting a lock-down on the format and DRM is where the real power lies: Apple is behaving like the kid who brought the ball to the game. Next year, the other kids will be turning up with their own balls. If Apple hasn’t got a lock-down on the *rules* (as it were) by then, they might find they only have a few people left to play with…
This is computerized discrimination plain and simple. College students always like to fight for a just cause, so I expect to see University protests live on CNN in the near future.
It’s bad enough that our educational institutions go out of their way to ignore (or coverup) the fact that not everyone is a Windows user.
On a side note;
CodeWeavers just announced iTunes support with their solution.
http://www.codeweavers.com/site/about/general/press/?id=20040803
Much as I love all things Maccy, there are a few problems here. Mac users aren’t excluded – they can run WMA on Windows Media Player (for Mac). Just as PC users can run AAC (etc.) on iTunes. Personally I wouldn’t touch WMP with a barge-pole attached to a shitty stick, but clearly my exclusion would be a matter of choice, not necessity.
YES, they can run WMP, but it doesn’t support the DRM version of the WMA format. So it’s still an issue.
Actually Mac users are excluded from the current Napster. WMP for Mac will play unprotected .wma files but the .wmp DRM is Windows only.
Puhlease:
Jews and Muslims pay taxes to subsidize hog farmers.
Persons allergic to peanuts and cows milk pay taxes to subsidize peanut growers and dairy farmers.
Persons morally opposed to abortion pay taxes so other can abort.
Pacifists pay taxes to subsidize the manufacture of weapons of war.
iPod users subsidize Napster at Cornell.
Tell me, what percentage of the total cost of the iPod-only students� education is going to subsidize Napster anyhow? 0.1%? 0.05%? I�m sure all student fees collected by the university are divided to support both liberal and conservative student groups; Christian, Jewish, Muslim, and pagan groups; students in animal husbandry and vegetarians, and so on and so forth. You see, subsidization is part of life, exercised by universities as well as governments.
Students who would choose to sacrifice their educational opportunities at Cornell for the greater principle of buying music can matriculate at some other university, if they believe that the principle of buying music now is greater than the long-term benefits of a Cornell education. I have no idea what the quality of education is at Cornell, but certainly students are free to leave Ithaca if they feel that their rights have been violated.
Perhaps some enterprising individual will open an all-Mac internet shop for these students, if the walk to the shop isn�t too difficult to them. Besides, don�t you think there are other people in the world who suffer greater indignity, injustice, and prejudice?
The US poverty income for 1 person is approxiamtely $8,900 per year.
The annual cost for tuition plus room and board at Cornell is nearly $40,000 per year. (Books, pens and paper, lab fees, Napster tax, and fees for overdue library books not included.)
Most students at Cornell must have an annual income 4 times the poverty level to attend, but, if these students graduate, they will have a degree from Cornell and they can go someplace else where they can download from iTunes to their heart’s content.
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meat of moose wrote;
Jews and Muslims pay taxes to subsidize hog farmers.
Persons allergic to peanuts and cows milk pay taxes to subsidize peanut growers and dairy farmers.
Persons morally opposed to abortion pay taxes so other can abort.
Pacifists pay taxes to subsidize the manufacture of weapons of war.
iPod users subsidize Napster at Cornell.
Unfortunately, the Napster tax is not sanctioned by any government and people hate to pay taxes, so this is a mute point.
The problem with this Napster tax is, it’s not a necessity and should not be forced on college students to have to pay for. The Universities should offer multiple services to maker sure every student has access to some sort of online music service.
Perhaps some enterprising individual will open an all-Mac internet shop for these students, if the walk to the shop isn�t too difficult to them. Besides, don�t you think there are other people in the world who suffer greater indignity, injustice, and prejudice?
Why do you think America came to be? Our fore fathers did not like being pushed around by a King who lived 3000 miles away and being forced to “taxation without representation”, speaking of which, this Napster tax falls right into such a category.
Napsterization without Representation
It’s time we fight back or the Microsoft monarchy (I mean monopoly) will rule forever!
Speaking of religion…
Imagine forcing Muslims or Jews to dropping their change into a Christian offering plate to help fund Christianity and build even more churches.
This Napster offering sounds familiar to my scenario above.
Whine – Whine – Whine – That is all I am hearing here. This is a bunch of fud – You pay a college to go to school and then they redistribute those funds to pay for all kinds of things that you probably don’t know/want/care/use..Why raise a stink here? Take your mac get on the damn web and use iTunes? Who gives a flying crap what the university backs. Chances are there are much bigger battles to wage at that school, much more deserving battles..
Ummm…”Starting Oct. 1, all undergraduate, graduate and professional students with Windows PC operating systems will have the opportunity to subscribe to VUMix service and download full-length songs, officials said,” Jacqueline Wilde reports for The Vanderbilt Hustler.”
Sounds to me like the students have to subscribe. That does NOT sound like tuition is going to cover costs. Granted, I just read the blurb here, so I may have missed something in the article. What’s here, though, makes this whole thread a waste of energy.
“Apple is behaving like the kid who brought the ball to the game. Next year, the other kids will be turning up with their own balls.”
It happened already. It is a full year it is happening. All those balls other kids are bringing do not bounce. Nothing to see.
There are more than 10 iPods killers (all dead) and similar number of online music stores. All combined amount to few 100k downloads per month.
History repeating? Yeah, right.
And again: anyone can use AAC. Apple has no word with that.
If other stores where selling their music using AAC instead of WMA *maybe* Apple would be more willing to open Fairplay to them and let them sell to iPod users.
As it is now, stores selling mp3 are fine with iPods. Only sites sold to DRMed WMA format are out of the player. Frankly, I am do not feel the loss.
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Dudemac: “Imagine forcing Muslims or Jews to dropping their change into a Christian offering plate to help fund Christianity and build even more churches.”
No need to imagine. Just take a look at how U.S. income tax is used for Faith-Based Initiatives.
Check this out:
http://book.awardannals.com/detail.php?asin=0743202120
Hey, I’m as an avid a Macaddict as anyone. But …
But students at colleges are ALWAYS paying for stuff they don’t need or want or use. For example, I’m sure the athletic fee at Cornell (to support its hockey and rowing teams, etc.) is considerably higher, regardless of whether you are an athlete or go to athletic events.
Students pay for gay publications, and far-right groups, and cheerleaders, and for the new pianos in the Music Department.
At departmental faculty meetings, participants discuss how they can possibly spend the student activities fee THIS year, since they have all the equipment they need, from last year’s fee.
Students pay for infirmaries, whether they ever get sick. They pay for winter flowers. You get my drift.
So I sympathize with students supporting Napster against their wills, and I sure do wish that Apple would be more aggressive in subsidizing iTMS for college students, who after all (despite their inability to live within their means and sure let you know it) are our future Apple customers. But these students are not shut out from using iTunes or iTMS or iPods.
Kenny:
Are you not in favor of faith-based initiatives on the basis of principle or because the influence that these groups may have on citizens does not produce a positive, beneficial, or favorable effect?
I think that Universities should give students a choice of subscribing to whichever service they want. I.e., they should negotiate deals with BOTH sides and then let the students choose.
Also, iTunes on LINUX rocks! Go CodeWeavers!
No one has mentioned *exactly* how much these fees are… anyone know? Per month? Per Quarter? Per Semester? Per Year????
Meat: A favorable effect is in the eye of the beholder. Mostly is the principle. Separation of church and state used to be a good thing–on par with civil liberties. It could be argued that it is beneficial to abandon them. I wouldn’t immediately dismiss such arguments because a well-run dictatorship is alway a nicer place to live than a real democracy.
That’s not sarcasm. If America took this to the next 3 or 4 levels, Christians would be living in a very nice, clean, safe place. There wouldn’t be a constant in-your-face homosexual pride, or threat of Muslim terrorism, or suspicion of Jewish conspiracies. The state-mandated tithe would make the U.S. as close to paradise as a good Christian is allowed to get.
I would truly admire such a place. From Switzerland.
http://book.awardannals.com/award.php?name=NBA&cat=fiction&year=1990
Kenny:
What I do not understand is how the first amendment is violated by federal support of not-for-profit faith-based groups?
I also do not understand how these not-for-profit faith-based groups, according to you, are plotting the exclusion of all other groups but their own?
Also, does the government have any right to intervene against any religious group or individual wishes to freely exercise the tenets of their religion, and, if so, under what circumstances?
Bob C,
There’s nothing wrong with subsidizing cheerleaders, especially those of the female persuasion.
Mac Z: I don’t know how to answer those questions. I’m not a lawyer. I was speaking of what may be a trend–where it might be leading if we’re not careful.
It is my understanding that the vast majority of the money goes to Christian churches that are not required to provide relief evenly. Listening to a sermon is required. If there is a line between giving aid to the needy and giving my taxes to a church that I didn’t intend to support, then it’s a pretty fine line. I can’t say whether it has been crossed yet.
I don’t understand your question about the government intervening. I was just talking about state-supported religion. The people receiving the money are free to treat competing religions as they wish, if that’s what you mean.
http://book.awardannals.com/award.php?name=caldecott
Bob C-
Sounds like Apple already is more aggressive- as MDN mentioned above, more than 55 schools have signed up for iTunes on Campus site lecenses so far in its 4 DAYS in existance! Not bad compared to the 8 schools in 9 months signed up to the Napster deal.
Kenny:
Firstly, I want no government instructing me how or when I might exercise my right to share the gospel (or speak, or print, or assemble). If I am performing good deeds by handing out sandwiches, providing professional advice, or hammering a nail I also want the freedom to witness without receiving chastisement (or worse) from the feds by crossing the line from �performing a secular and social service� to �prosetylization�. Governments redistributing citizens� money also ensure that a heavy toll of restrictions, demands, and rules is firmly attached.
Secondly, accepting money from the feds only emphasizes the unwillingness of most believers to sacrificially give to others. There is no lack of funds, only a lack of commitment. �”The Christian faith commends sacrifice, servanthood and sharing as the means to significance,” (George Barna, of the Barna Group) noted. “How is it possible to have more than 120 million adults attending Christian churches on a regular basis, but only 15 million who grasp the message that success is not about personal accomplishment or material possessions?” This is the shame of post-modern Christianity in one of the most affluent times of US history.
Your poorly defined concerns about believers wanting to institute compulsory religious observance are likely based on your own prejudice and guilt than reality. True believers respect the decision of unbelievers not to choose to follow Messiah and endure eternal judgement.
�It is my understanding that the vast majority of the money goes to Christian churches that are not required to provide relief evenly.� Block grants are typically given to many types of groups, associations, and individuals and these groups, associations, and individuals are free to use or distribute these funds as they desire. Remember Andres Serrano and the National Foundation for the Arts? This is nothing new or extraordinary.
Meat: You’re either a moron or a pretty good pundit.
If you want money from the Fed, you WILL spend it the way they tell you to. If they say, “Don’t refuse Jews” and “Don’t require that they listen to a sermon before eating”, then that’s called a “requirement”.
If you don’t like being told what to do with money that you have begged for, then try earning the money the old-fashioned way.
Secondly, you’re right: accepting money from the feds only emphasizes that most Christians are only in it for the social perks, and getting a fraction of my tax dollar is a pretty big perk.
Third, you seem to be confused. True believers usually kill or die for their beliefs. The ones that accept unbelievers choice don’t really believe or comprehend the enormity of eternal damnation.
Besides, we’re not talking about true believers–they give from their *own* pockets. We’re talking about tele-vangelists and the like.
Actually, what we should be talking about is separation of church and state. Out the window along with civil liberties, you say?
Why Not? Mac users are used to “taking” it in the rear anyways…Whats one more time huh?
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