“What exactly is a PC? That question is likely to become a hot topic over the next few years,” MG Siegler writes for TechCrunch.
“People are now carrying around computers in their pockets, called smartphones. But those aren’t considered PCs. Instead, they’re considered descendants of the original mobile phones. The truth is that they’re closer in just about every way to a personal computer — in fact, they may be the most personal computers ever,” Siegler writes. “And now this line is being further blurred by the rise of the tablet… Again, if anything, these machines seem more personal than the personal computers of yesteryear.”
Siegler writes, “That’s why I agree with British research firm Canalys’ decision to include tablet sales alongside PC sales in their new report. That’s going to piss some people off because the combination has them projecting that Apple will become the top PC vendor by the middle of next year. If their data is right, Apple will unseat HP to take the crown.”
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MacDailyNews Take: The once and future ling, Apple assumes its rightful throne.
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A PC is either a desktop or laptop computer. A tablet is a portable compact computer. A smartphone is a smartphone (very compact). Even though a laptop is portable, I believe it should be lumped in with the PC crowd. This isn’t rocket science.
The term “Personal Computer” was born when “computer” referred to a massive system installed in a climate-controlled data centre. It meant a programmable computing device that is designed to be used by only one person (rather than shared, via terminals, by many). As such, those initial “Personal Computers” (beginning with Altair, through Apple and Apple II, including ZX Spectrum, Commodore 64, Amstrad, BBC Micro and similar) are significantly less capable than pretty much every single computing device of today, including iPod Nano.
From the aspect of the original meaning of the “PC”, today’s smartphones, tablets, iPod touch, the (now defunct) Palm pilots are all much, much better PCs than pretty much every machine of the late 70s and early 80s.
Of course, the meaning has evolved since, and with the appearance of portable “PC”s, notebooks, sub-notebooks, netbooks and tablets, the category has been re-defined to exclusively mean computers running traditional desktop operating system (which today means servers, desktop computers, notebooks, sub-notebooks, netbooks and some tablets). The arguments are extremely powerful to include tablet computer running non-traditional OSes into this category.
all hail the ling
Lingam and yoni.
lingus
Cunni
I’m a cunning linguist myself, and I always eat at the Y…
There is no denying that smartphones and tablets are Personal Computers. Just dissect those last two words for their meaning rather than the mental picture they invoc.
In the UK Dell’s cheapest laptop is £299. Apple’s cheapest iPad is £399. Why not include iPads as computer sales as they can cost just as much.
the iphone is not a smartphone, it’s a microcomputer that can make phone calls. the ipod touch is a computer.
“What exactly is a PC? That question is likely to become a hot topic over the next few years,”
Display Keyboard and Mouse. That’s what the traditional PC looks like. Post-PC devices use non-standard displays and interfaces, and are typically mobile devices (not needing to be used sitting at a desk, etc).
The bottom line is, alot of Windows guys are freaked out at the Post-PC ‘name’, but not actually opposed to its implications. They just dont’ like the name.
No one actually thinks that a Windows Mobile phone is a PC. That’s a post-PC device. That’s because it doesn’t rely as much on the PC (like, say, the original iPod did), but instead, has it’s own powerful processor, and interacts wtih cloud servers.
You left out punch cards, teletypes, and vacuum tubes.
And paper and magnetic tape, water chillers, and pocket protectors.
With the introduction of the Macintosh in 1984 Apple clearly showed their direction and it was away from the very notion of the PC. Hence the media created PC v. Mac faux battle. The media at least realized that the Mac was not a PC. Jobs always wanted to commercialize and make computer technology completely ubiquitous and utilitarian. Once booted our of Apple this vision floundered for over 10 years. Thankfully, in the last 14 years it has been realized.
Apple didn’t lose the PC war, they weren’t fighting that war. Nor are they now winning the PC war. As Jobs said, we are in the post PC world. Not post computer. Not post personal computer. But post PC. This is an important distinction and not merely semantics. The term PC conjures up certain expectations that while quite robust are still quite limiting. It is time to move on. Thank goodness for smart phones and tablets. They are the future of personal computers.
We need new catagories not use old ones. We’re in the post pc era. IPads and smartphones are a new category of personal devices.
All devices should be included when considering computer marketshare.. be it a supercomputer, Microsoft’s big-ass table, a desktop, notebook, tablet or smartphone. They all count. Welcome to convergence.
Tablets ARE computers and should be considered PC’s (for Personal or Portable Computers). When you think about what tablets can do now that the old PC’s could NOT do (well anyway) for the first 15 years of their existence maybe we should reclassify early PC’s as PCIT’s (personal computers in training) instead. Even the iPhone is capable of so much more than early PC’s.
Any way you look at it Apple is set to become again the new King of the Tech Hill. Microsoft will be an also-ran and a niche enterprise player as they lose favor in most consumer space, and a losing proposition to PC manufacturers in the race to non-profits. I always considered MS as anti-consumer since they certainly never think in those terms unless someone like Steve Jobs holds a gun to their heads and makes it obvious the MS Emperor has no clothes.
Long live the ling! Three cheers for ling Apple!
How many X86 embedded systems like cash registers and ATMs are classed as PCs. How many X86 servers are classed as PCs too?
Very good point–POS WIndows PCs are counted as a PC sale, so tablets and smartphones ought to be too.
and how many point of sale systems… and billboard and messaging systems and low end PLC (process line control) systems. The list of what they call a PC is, is what runs (or will run) windows (in any form)
Hence the number they report is really highly distorted (and not including iPads further distorts those “PC” market-share numbers.)
Ya done Shiva proud.
I want a 13″ iPad!
From the Jobs Bio some time in 1983 when Jobs is asked a question by Maya Lin who was responsible for the Vietnam Veterans Memorial:
‘Why do computers look like clunky TV sets? Why don’t you make something thin? Why not a flat laptop?’ Jobs replied that this was indeed his goal, as soon as the technology was ready.
1983.
Not 1990.
Not 2000.
Not 2007.
This was 1983.
He didn’t see it as the stuff of Sci-Fi. This was something he saw as achievable in certainly his own lifetime and not in some hazy distant future.
“That’s a nice ling” as my kind and generous girlfriend said to me the other evening…
Maybe she’s “blind and generous.”
The ling is dead, long live the ling!
Maybe I’m really tired, but this whole “ling” thing has me giggling and I can’t stop.
Look, what’s that creature climbing the Empire State building? Ling Long?!
Hopefully while in Australia, I’ll see some Langaroos.
Oh, that old Lentucky Bluegrass …
I have to stop now. This is lilling me!
Don’t Ling me, or I’ll collect your f**king head.
She’s back to kick ass and chew bubble gum and she’s out of bubble gum!
So…ChrissyOne is Duke Nukem??
Duke Nukem stole that line from Roddy Rowdy Piper from the movie “They Live.”
” ‘lingon alert, Captain, there’s a Bird of Play out there.”
To me if a device (any device) can replace what you would typically call a “PC” then they should include the numbers when counting the totals.
I know a few people who have replaced desktops and laptops with either a smartphone and/or an iPad. Its possible to do depending on your requirements.
At the minimum even if no one replaced a PC with an iPad/iPhone there is no denying that iPads have stolen the sale of a ‘second’ PC for many homes.
People fear change, and I’m sure MS is at the top of the fear list. Everyone else just enjoy the ride and the awesome tech that is here and coming.
Never before in history has mankind been so inter-connected and empowered with knowledge.
Be excited to be alive and experiencing these wonderful times!
I’ve said it before, Apple won the PC wars, by pretending not to be fighting the PC wars. Look at Microsoft, their Windows revenue is declining. Look at HP, the #1 PC maker, almost sold their PC business it sucked so bad. Look at Dell, the #2 PC maker, with minuscule margins. Look at Acer, the #3 PC maker, with huge losses in their netbook business. Look at Lenovo, the #4 PC maker, which is happy to make $10 per PC. That can’t be winning.
Look at IBM, the creator of the alternative dominant PC. It was an anticlimax when it surrendered 10 years ago.
Bai Ling would be so happy; MDN is a fan!
Ling ling!
If my iPad is a PC then it sure is a crippled one. I love my iPad but am constantly frustrated by what it can’t do. The POS built in photo app is an example. It is pathetic crap and reminds me that the iPad isn’t a fully functional computer. The fact that I need a computer to delete photos which were synced is a further example, or I can’t multi-delete the 1000’s of photos I imported. I almost smashed my iPad to pieces over that when on vacation and swore to never use the pathetic camera connection kit ever again.
PC’s are not crippled in this way.
I think a lot of people are missing the point of why any of this matters. It’s not a pissing contest, it’s an actual measurement of an industry.
There are a couple of ways of looking at this. One way is to categorize what device or devices make sense for a specific demographic, and thus break down the categories into each group:
iPod touch = PMP
iPhone = Smartphone
iPad = Tablet
Apple TV = Set Top
MacBook Air = Netbook
MacBook Pro = Laptop
Mac mini = Desktop
iMac = Desktop AIO
PowerMac = Workstation
WHAT KIND OF DEVICE SHOULD I GET?
Well, consider what your needs are, and look at one of those categories, and compare the Apple product like the MacBook Air, to a “competitive” product like an Asus Netbook.
When specifically looking at one category, it’s easy to measure and see who’s the leader, who has most influence, and what the market share numbers are like.
However, breaking things down to even this level gets confusing since you have things like the Chromebook, which is really more like a tablet with a fixed keyboard and no touch screen. It’s truly a horrible product, but still it exists, and would be best defined as a netbook based on the form factor with an asterisk noting that it’s limited to be really just a browser.
However, when you’re measuring the industry, consumer perspective categorization doesn’t really make sense. Instead, it’s worth combining categories so that, for example, a developer could determine that developing for iOS with the ease of porting to OS X, results in an audience of X versus Android with an audience of Y. Additionally, any component vendor will look at each as one big computing device manufacturer regardless of the specific breakdown of device categories.
With the latter in mind, it makes perfect sense to lump all computing devices into one category to measure the players in the industry. Case in point, ask any of the component vendors or manufacturers who their biggest and most important customer is.