Apple plans to ditch Face ID by 2021, claim…

Chance Miller for 9to5Mac:

“A new report from reliable Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo today says that at least one of the new iPhones introduced in 2020 will have a smaller front-facing camera cutout, making for an improved screen to body ratio and a smaller notch.

“This would imply that the notch cutout on at least one of the 2020 iPhones will be significantly smaller…

“A separate new investor note from Credit Suisse in China suggests that Apple’s screen suppliers are “actively developing full screens” without notches along the top. The report corroborates Kuo and says that by next year, Apple will have at least one new iPhone without a notch… [it also] says by 2021, three new iPhones are likely to use in-screen fingerprint as opposed to Face ID.”

Earlier this week we learned that 5G and a low cost iPhone may appear in 2020and that Apple intends removing 3D Touch support.

“Our expectations include all three Sep-2020 iPhones (5.4″/6.1″/6.7″ screen sizes) will adopt OLED displays and 5G baseband modems (with support for mmWave frequencies), and at least two of the three models adopting world facing 3D Sensing (Time of Flight) driving industry leading AR/VR capabilities which can be leveraged by custom built applications (including games).”

We’ve also been treated to new images of the 2019 iPhone logic board, and learned much more about Apple’s plans for a 3-lens camera,  capable of capturing 3D information for use in Augmented Reality.

Analyst Ming-Chi Kuo has claimed next-generation high-end iPhones will offer a new super-wide 12-megapixel lens and 3x optical zoom – all similar to claims made earlier this year by OnLeaks:

MacDailyNews Take: As they do every year, Apple’s iPhone upgrade plans are becoming clearer – this year seems to be about photography, processor acceleration and AR (with a little push from services like Apple Arcade).


      1. You only need to watch recent Apple ads. You have to raise your upper body/head to face the phone with a better angle for the face ID to work:-). There are other inconveniences.
        Some report says that Chinese suppliers’ technology (which has been implemented in their device since 2 years ago) enables a full screeen without a notch (single peep hole for a front camera is also covered with the screen) and in-screen touch ID, which I supposeApple initially sought for.
        So, it looks like a choice between totally eliminating the notch (horns) and swalloing the dignity for having to come back to the touch ID. TID and FID have their own pros and cons, and eventually come down to a personal preference. Both are seure enough for the purpose.

        1. Despite all of the nay-sayers below, I agree. Mine is far from smooth/fast/convenient. Yes, I have it. I use it multiple times a day. I have to constantly position it/my face so that it gets a good read, and then wait a bit. Regardless of any of that, picking it up is alone significantly less convenient that touching it with a finger and leaving it laying there to read a message. I literally have to pick it up, wiggle it (or myself) around for it to unlock, then set it back down on my desk several times throughout the day, and that sucks!

          1. I totally agree with you!!! I have the same exact issues as well. It is very inconvenient and a huge step back for Apple esp given the price point of the iphone 11pro that I upgraded to. I am going to go back to using my iphone 6! I am very disappointed.

      1. I have an iPhone, I have used FaceID. It rarely works, then takes a few seconds to provide me pin entry. I keep it turned off now so I can get into my iPhone faster and avoid constant frustration. Typing my pin is far better then a wiggling lock, wait, then pin. TouchID almost always worked. I’m excited for it to come back!

  1. Why does Apple constantly have to change shit like this? Face ID works and works well. Why go backwards to fingerprint? The crazies are running the asylum….

    1. When your road map is drawn on an Etch-A-Sketch and passed around a committee designed to appease any possible group every 6 months then the original plan will come out shaken, not stirring….

  2. It seems to me the most likely phone without that not will be the 11R. I believe because since it is getting a OLED Screen it will be able to keep the price point low and affordable. All the people that I know, and there is about 12 that I know who has the XR, they just say it’s plain fantastic the battery life the way it feels in their hand the way it’s almost as big as the the old plus. They believe that there is no need to spend $1000 or more for a phone because it does everything they need plus more.

  3. When I’m working outside, if my fingers are wet, sweaty, dirty or if moisture gets onto the sensor, fingerprint recognition is hopelessly unreliable. Face recognition has worked much better under such circumstances.

    Unless there is some radical new aspect of this new fingerprint technology which overcomes those problems, I would find it hard to believe that Apple will go back to fingerprint sensors when face recognition works so reliably.

  4. Losing Face ID would be a major setback. That’s the only reason I upgraded to the X in the first place; it certainly wasn’t the form factor (I’m an SE fan).
    Face ID makes it LEGAL to operate my phone in my state, which requires Hands Free only usage in your car. Fingerprints could as “hands.”
    If they devise another hands-free method to unlock the phone while driving, I’m fine. But otherwise: screwed.

    1. In my state (california) you can get busted and it doesnt really matter as anything goes and the cops cannot do anything, thanks to the democraps. It really has become the wild west out here, best thing to do is arm yourself at all times.

  5. Face ID should be an option. Any combination of Face ID, Password, and/or Finger Print ID should be available.

    I personally find it great on the iPhone but clumsy as all get up on the iPad.

    1. You’re right, overlapping unlock methods reduce friction. In daily use Face ID is at best 90% accurate while Touch ID works 99.9% of the time. Having to raise your iPhone to your face to unlock it is slower than touch, more cumbersome and annoying. While driving it frequently doesn’t unlock unless it’s perfectly positioned in its dash cradle, so I end up entering a password which is far more distracting than a touch sensor.

  6. Here’s a brilliant idea: could a company with the size and wealth of Apple finally man up and offer its customers real options ???? Obviously there is room in the market for small simple SE-like phones with TouchID, a couple middle choices, and then the flagship gazillion pixel FaceID notches on each edge OLED $2500 iPhone. Unfortunately, Apple product planners are only thinking of ways to bilk customers out of money for more adapters, more accessories, and forced app updates to accommodate notches and ever-changing screen ratios.

    For those fans of FaceID, it’s pretty obvious that the silent majority isn’t enamored with it. Especially when using ApplePay. Sales for iPhones in a goldilocks economy went soft as soon as Apple pushed its X models — that is undeniable. Ask around – the common knowledge is that FID (much like OLED and bulging cameras) is too expensive for too little benefit for most mainstream users. Apple would be wise to offer better options at all price points without these unnecessary complications.

    I just call it it like it is folks. Your personal preference shouldn’t dictate Apple product lineup — A company like Apple should offer you a nice array of options that just work for your needs and preferences.

  7. General question: with FaceID if a cop wanted to unlock your phone – can they just shove it in you face and that’s all it takes? That’s not a good thing.

  8. I think a passcode was plenty reliable and secure for most given that 30% in a poll indicated that they use no security anyway. Face ID seemed more like some sort of industry gimmick that Apple thought would make their iPhone’s seem more of value and secure. If a certain feature is not reliable, people won’t use it anyway. I have certainly experienced times where outside influences have caused Face ID not to work. Personally a passcode seems to be plenty of security for most and its reliable and works in most situations. I think any feature that is not reliable just causes people not to use it.

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