“Operations are supposed to be what Tim Cook does best,” John Kheit writes for The Mac Observer. “Under Steve Jobs he was the Chief Operating Officer at Apple. And while he may have done a great job then, he is a failure at it as CEO.”
“There are two reasons you have to conclude he is awful at operations. First, he has failed to keep the trains (i.e., products) running on time,” Kheit writes. “Secondly and most importantly, he has placed all his operational eggs (i.e., main sources of production revenue) in one hostile, communist Chinese basket.”
“Apple is one patent injunction away from not being able to manufacture any iPhones,” Kheit writes. “Let that sink in.”
Read more in the full article – recommended – here.
MacDailyNews Take: It’s impossible to refute Kheit’s exceedingly logical points.
Apple CEO Tim CookUnder Tim Cook, Apple’s track record of keeping products running on time is laughable. In his full article, Kheit offers up only a partial damning list. Companies with far less than Apple’s resources do a far better job of keeping their product lines updated.
That Cook should have by now diversified production of critical products in order to withstand regional strife, calamity, etc. is blatantly obvious.
Again, we hope the lopping off of some $450 billion in market value within a couple of months was jarring enough to wake up Apple’s somnambulant management and BoD and focus some minds that have grown noticeably lazy since Apple’s driving force departed.
Old, tired, wildly-overpaid, far-too-comfortable blood with misplaced priorities kills companies.
Beloved interns, TTK. An ever-hopeful toast to re-focused minds at Apple Inc. who again strive for excellence, sweat every detail, safeguard the company’s operations, and dedicate themselves to delighting their customers!
Yo-jim, your statement is one of great generalization. Is there no truth in the words of those that criticize? Is it possible that your perspective is from one that sees stock price, revenue and simple $$ gain to measure all things with AAPL? Do you not see, or perhaps care Apple has largely moved from its embrace of the “Crazy Ones” to the embrace of the mere pop culture superficiality? Do you not see that Apple is changing and some of that change is material and includes loss of substance and excellence?
Please assume that I deduce you don’t care and or see material changes. Please also assume I deduce your scale is demarcated almost entirely on stock price and rev gain.
No, the conclusions are not irrationally based, but they do come from a broader base…not just stock price, or rev. There are scores of historical examples that TC has dropped the operational ball, some times even with critical releases and sometimes at critical buying times. If you deny this, you may need to realize you are the one “denying the evidence.” I don’t need to mention the Mac Pro as a symbol for many such examples, do I?
No Ronner.
My post here is in context of the Article.. which is in the realm of operations, management mainly and then Apples direction, products, quality and then stock!
They are all tied together in one way or another.
I post about all aspects of Apple in General , from product, to company operations to marketing, to stock! Etc…Always.
The good and the bad and the ugly.
Both my perspective and facts!
But recently the stock, the company strategy and Tim have been more in the spot light !
Ha! What a self-admiring shame!
And this paid character is suddenly using his multi-email address trick to generate so many hundreds of star rating.
Time to clean up this site as it cannot be taken seriously.
My, my, my. The votes are in and they make up a barn-burning boat-load. Someone was canvasing, or manipulatin’ the scene. because the vote count shows MDN’s visitor count has spiked to heretofore unseen levels and new advertising dollars will enable irritating ads to be put on hold for a week or two.
Back to the votes though. Congrats to the manipulator’s skill to “get people to vote!” Totally believable comments section.
@jimbo
It must really hurt to be such a Stockholm syndrome fanboy as you come across as.
Tell you this; the Apple of Cook is nothing of the kind, we the core, fought for in their dark days when the likes of Timmy tried to sell out the company the last time.
There is NO excuse for the dismal product lineup or the gutting of the ecosystem.
The halving of the company valuation is well deserved, and the direct result of SJW Timmy’s greed and prioritization of everything but the product line, and not defending the legacy of the logo.
Apple used to DEFINE the market. Now they peddle their shit in Samsung gear. Despicable!
You have been making the same mistake over and over for months.
What you call “bashers” are in fact rational REALISTS. They are critical thinkers and offer constructive criticism in well reasoned thoughtful and detailed posts.
Your posts are generalized mindless fanboy cheerleading and empty fluff, “a total joke.” When you are presented with facts, you do not address them directly on their merits. Instead, resort to more defensive generalized fluff. “Sad and pathetic at the same time.”…
I assume every “buck stops at the top” commentary applies to our fearless, straight arrow leader, honest as the day is long, and who always takes responsibility for what he says and does, Mr. Trump.
I get it, the writer doesn’t like Tim Cook, but he imbues him him with more power than he has. Tim doesn’t do design, he doesn’t write software. If you had issues with iWork you should have dinged Eddy Cue. (Now Phil or Craig, I forget) iPhone components come from many countries and are assembled in China. Actually, I believe they are assembled in a special economic zone which should give them protections against law suits in China proper.
Yes, Mr.Truth, the assumed name of the paid guard with 250 some starts. Congratulations!
If you have any conception of logic or rationality. You said it, buck stops at the top!
“But most astonishing bias and omission is: guess who the CEO was when that decision was made and executed.
STEVE JOBS, he approved the strategy…. he was the chief honcho. So where is mention of his name in the alleged epic bs failure !
You cant just have it anyway you want…. consistency in logic is key !
‘IF’ Tim is being blamed for certain things as Ceo..
So should Steve for the same absolute exact thing.
But no, Steve’S cultish worshipers reside in their own cherry picked lala land . Biased blind bunch.”
“‘IF’ Tim is being blamed for certain things as Ceo..
So should Steve for the same absolute exact thing.”
Congrats. The most clueless conflation and Cook apologist comment of the day. When the board meets at the spaceship next month, they only need to bring a great big beautiful rainbow colored broom with Cook’s name on it. In a nanosecond after the cleaning is done, board chairman calling Scott, return my call A.S.A.P…
Clueless conflation??
Lets see, the buck stops at the top right?!
Do we agree on that ??
Wiseguy, Jobs was CEO when the decision was made to outsource to China. For which the article is blaming Tim as a CEO today.
The article, inconsistently, places blame on CEO when it suits it and the CFO when it suits it.
You can’t pick and choose your logic base as it suits you! At least rational people don’t.
Did you watch the video?
Another plain, as clear as daylight, slap in the face of the of self-contradicting article which try’s hard to single out Tim Cook.
Get a clue. But i doubt you have the capacity since it seems you are just a mindless critic .
Look;
Let me put it in elementary terms:
In the past 2+2=4
Today 2+2 =4
Tomorrow 2+2=4
At least in the rational world.
Agree?
Article says its ok for 2+2=4 20 years ago.
But today 2+2=5
And if it does not suit us maybe 7 tomorrow.
The artical is packed with contradictory logic and cognitive dissonances !
And Jimbo nailed it.
Signatures of a biased hit job!
This is truly disturbing!
Mr. Falsehood the only truth “that is disturbing” is crediting Jimbo as a BLIND BROKEN RECORD incapable of critical thinking and a serial apologist fanboy that cannot see through the rose colored glasses. To be expected, both of you are two peas in a pod…
GoeB is the GoeBBels of the Mac Movement, a traitor to his people, a brainiac who wields the brain power of a butterfly, yet babbles on as though his brain were the size of a planet.
GoeB’s biggest beef is that Cook is gay. It’s a thread that runs through many of his comments. You do him undeserved justice by responding to his whinging.
“GoeB’s biggest beef is that Cook is gay.“
TOTALLY FALSE ACCUSATION @buzzed! Knock it off. I fully support the sexual preference of every person on planet Earth…
The “rainbow colored broom” comment says quite a lot about why you don’t like Tim Cook, just as all the “magic Negro” comments we used to see here explained a lot about the opposition to a former US President.
Besides,the whole “buck stops here” thing is so passé. The new saying is “The buck stops with everybody,”
“The “rainbow colored broom” comment says quite a lot about why you don’t like Tim Cook”
Pay attention Mr. Imaginary Guilt by word association that I do not appreciate — it SAYS NOTHING NEGATIVE!
But I do regret not explaining myself properly, sorry.
The Chairman of the Apple board needs to bring a big beautiful sturdy broom to clean up the overpaid lazy Apple executive team.
Made of organic flyover heartland corn strands beautifully rainbow colored and sturdy for the long work ahead. Fastened to the shaft wrapped tightly in the latest iWatch glowing neon bands encrusted with diamonds designed by Jony Ive attached to a finely milled tolerance rose gold colored handle.
Yup, that will do it…
“Besides,the whole “buck stops here” thing is so passé.”
The topic clueless is Tim Cook, no one else or PC politics you are dragging in to make some ridiculous obtuse point.
“buck stops here” is TIMELESS, accurate and you cannot change its importance or meaning. I find your liberal beliefs so passé…
If “the buck stops here” is a timeless immutable truth, why did The President of the United States quite specifically repudiate it during his trip to Texas last week?
My point is not at all obtuse: you cannot hold one Chief Executive responsible for everything that happens on his watch (even circumstances outside his direct control) and not hold all Chief Executives responsible.
Cook has taken care of the Apple cash cow: the iPhone and the iPad. Apple services are big money makers, but could use an ounce of common sense.
Fail: MacPro, Mac mini
Pass with severe reservations: rest of Mac lineup–give us one entry level desktop and laptop that doesn’t require your insanely priced SSDs.
iCloud storage,Apple Music, iCloud Music—get these all combined in one convenient package already.
AppleTV: Fail
iPhone: A
iPad: A
Beautiful article. The best posted at MDN in many years!
Pipeline is an abject failure.
Pipeline is a complete and total failure.
The posted article above is just scratching the surface at how awful a CEO Pipeline has been for Apple.
Years from now, short years, Pipeline will be viewed in a worse light than Spindler or Scully. Pipeline has taken Apple at its very best and run it straight into the ground. Steve Jobs left Pipeline a company that was simply amazing and Pipeline trashed it.
Pipeline is a disgusting and contemptible human being, full of hubris and brazenly lazy.
Another absolutely irrational and shallow-one dimensional article..filled with convenient selective memory….and bs aimed at the simpletons and the naive and uninformed !
Review minute 2:00 On:
And that is just a couple examples from the horses mouth… and there are tons more.. yet conveniently avoided. Proof is in the pudding!
As for China.. 1st off Apple has a huge supply chain .. not just China.. and even their assembly is not all in mainland, (but yes big portion is). Plus from my understanding Apple has and is actively working on setting/increasing capacity for assembly in other countries, like India, Brazil, Vietnam, Philippines ..etc..
Plus its ludicrous to have called him a genius then for the move and now bash him for the same exact thing.. (in times where there are temporary political tensions), its plain stupid !
Also its not just Apple who is manufacturing in China , the whole world is.. just read the labels on anything manufactured to get a clue.. i guess every CEO in the world is stupid and a failure ha…. lol
But most astonishing bias and omission is: guess who the CEO was when that decision was made and executed.
STEVE JOBS, he approved the strategy…. he was the chief honcho. So where is mention of his name in the alleged epic bs failure !
You cant just have it anyway you want…. consistency in logic is key !
‘IF’ Tim is being blamed for certain things as Ceo..
So should Steve for the same absolute exact thing.
But no, Steve’S cultish worshipers reside in their own cherry picked lala land . Biased blind bunch.
It is mind boggling how much bs can fly out there.
Proof is in the pudding.. not in irrational biased minds of the haters and bashers. And the above are the facts, not made up fiction.
Just another absolutely blind and biased drive by Article to bash Tim …
Tims Accomplishments.. (facts ! Not emotional bs)
From 50 billion to 250 billion in sales annually.
From shipping 40-50 million units of products to 300 million plus units annually !
All while while maintaining their margins and quality and dealing with passing of Jobs, and construction/move to the new campus!
And Yes i did say quality .. show me where quality is not there .. i own ever product category Apple offers.. and have in the last 15 years, upgrading most of them every year .. where is this bs of quality set back issue.? Its pure bull… apple’s quality is exactly the same its it has always been….if not better now ( just compare plastic iPhone 3g to iPhone x, for example) …..plus there were always issues and there are issues now !
The one dimensional are blind to whats is quantity and statistics /probability issue rather than quality……going from 40 million units to 300 million…..And going from a relatively small user base to 1.3 billion. ….Of course there is more noise out there….but that is not an issue of quality.. its an issue of absolute numbers ..
..And Apple has always always been a premium brand.. that is what they are ! Their gross margins are exactly what they have been historically 38-40% ! Nothing is changed there!
Mind you Apple still holds the top spot for customer satisfaction !
Why are all these people so satisfied with junk ?
What Tim has accomplished is not a joke and the naive and the simpleton cant even come close to fathoming what a huge accomplishment it is….. they are unhappy with lack/negligence of mac pro, justifiably so but thats not all of Apple or end of the world .. , which by the way is coming plus displays.
and they are panicked and disgruntled on the temporary set back of the stock. …..
Steve said those jobs are in China because no where else in the world do they produce enough engineers to create and run factories that can handle the volumes Apple needs to produce. America would require years of improvement to its educational standards in math, science, and engineering do so. Trump appointed an Education head with zero experience in education, so that isn’t improving anytime soon.
“I guess facts annoy you ha..”
No, minus facts in your repeat defensive fanboy apologist rants are annoying…
“Review minute 2:00 On:
And that is just a couple examples from the horses mouth… and there are tons more.. yet conveniently avoided. Proof is in the pudding!”
What’s wrong with it? Do you even understand what Jobs was talking about on the stage? I suggest you do not embarrass yourself.
1. He was not as deceptive as Tim Cook. Jobs knew what he was talking about and upfront to the audience about the schedule slip. He was honest about it, and never even attempted to hide it with convoluted and cheap gibberish like Tim always does. Wonderful!! No complaint there. Just a totally different personality and the depth of knowledge and experience between the two.
2. In the following year, he materialized it. Absolutely no pipeline talk!
3. There is absolutely no way Tim Cook could talk like Jobs with perfect technical understanding and a clear path ahead. I have no recollection of Tim Cook ever talked anything about the future path or plan etc. It’s all pipeline talk. This is why Jobs was a visionary and Tim Cook could not be. Instead, Tim Cook…. All about profit, China and other small talks.
You keep talking about the “fact”. as if your ultra-partisan stupid posts are all based on the facts, while in fact, you are simply quoting someone else’s articles. Sad, eh? Suggest you do not embarrass yourself here among much more intelligent people here.
No, you definitely do not understand. You are the one that is totally lost and you keep digging yourself deeper into the clueless hole. Unbelievable you don’t see it. Sad…
I am please, very very pleased, to see that the vast majority of people here are 100% rejecting the moronic ramblings of the drooling fan boy jimbo. His transparent shilling for Pipeline is completely ineffective.
The market has spoken about how effective a CEO Pipeline is. The bilge from a raving lunatic like Jimbo will not cover that up, no matter how hard he wets the bed.
Haha.. I guess Steve jobs is also moronically rambling in the video too Ha!…. i guess the sky is solid too… and black is actually white?
Well we know that you are an emotional mess anyway Von , after playing a game you had no buisness playing in .
You see, u and likes of you have no capacity for facts and logic and rationality and are driven by violent emotional outbutrs !
My post represnts facts you can verify and actually watch….
’your emotionsl rambling is that .Just disgruntled irrational rambling. Period.
Not one rational word from all the bashers above !
Total joke . 🤦♂️
For simplicity, there are 2 kinds of people in this AAPL conversation…
1). some people use stock price, sales, revenue, etc to make pro/com determinations.
2). some people observe changes that translate to company decline. This determination doesn’t necessarily correlate with $$ decline at the current time, but likely, if decline continues.
yo-Jim is in the 1st group and he doesn’t care or see the changes, or doesn’t associate changes with decline.
Personally, I’m in the 2nd group, but also a stock holder and, therefore welcome $$ gain, but it doesn’t mean all is well, just b/c there’s gain.
Yo-jim; please stop calling people with dissenting views as irrational. It does nothing for your argument. You have a way of measuring, as do I. They are different.
Absolutely wrong Ronne.
Read my post again..
I addressed both sides !
I always do.. on product end, business/company end and stock end .
I critic the good and the bad..
( but to know that u have to be familiar with years of my post)
As a matter of fact,in general, i post more on product than other issues.
“Read my post again”. as if to say people here do not understand your repetitive posts. Read your post again, Jimbo!
And are you trying to impress people here that you are a fair and equitable minded person? Why do you have to do so? Is that because you are such an insecure person, pretending you are ALWAYS on the right side. You always attempt to justify your juvenile posts and cover yourself up by a deceptive insistence that you are such a fair-minded person. I can hear people are giggling amused. And you do not even realize people are scoffing you off and ridiculing you like an Emperor with no clothes.
Keep having fun. We shall do so too. We need good entertainment and a punching bag like you.
Thank you. Yours PITA
Just as repetitive as the emotionaly charged irrational garbage handed out by some of the posters , but with one difference: they are fact and logic based.
And it seems some do read.
You are more than welcome to skip!
No one put a gun to your head.
Unfortunately, they are NOT the facts nor logic based. It’s merely your declaration and conjectures to use your preferred terminologies without any facts and logic.
You want me to skip, I know, but I will follow you to criticize your mindless bashing of people here. We criticize Tim Cook and occasionally Apple. But that’s the whole purpose of the discussion, as long as we stay away from the personal attack of Tim. We do not like Tim’s management and the results of it. So, we criticize him, often severely. What is your purpose of always trying (yes just trying but no appreciable effect) to desperately defend Tim/Apple without any factual backup and even dismiss Jobs? I know the answer but will gradually reveal it. Yours PITA
Sorry to say we are tiring of your incessant repetitive Apple apologist fanboy posts that ignore REALITY. Cheerleading Apple does not change an atomic particle of what is really going on. Unless you can address Apple shortcomings in a mature manner, I suggest not posting the same drivel over and over…
No, absolutely right Ronne is the correct response. Stop pretending
to be fair and balanced. Your own words betray you time after time. It is an insult to intelligence…
Repeat of my main post. Pardon the grammar and thought flow issues in the original. 🤦♂️🤦♂️
Just wanted to repost a somewhat cleaner copy .
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Another absolutely irrational and shallow-one dimensional hit article..filled with convenient selective memory….and bs aimed at the simpletons and the naive and uninformed !
Review minute 2:00 On:
And that is just a couple examples from the horses mouth… and there are tons more.. yet conveniently avoided. Proof is in the pudding!
As for China.. 1st off Apple has a huge supply chain and not all just in China.. and even their assembly is not all in mainland, (but yes big portion is). Also from my understanding Apple has and is actively working on setting-up/increasing capacity for assembly in other countries, like India, Brazil, Vietnam, Philippines ..etc..
Also its not just Apple who is manufacturing in China , the whole world is.. just read the labels on anything manufactured to get a clue.. i guess every CEO in the world is stupid and a failure ha….
Its ludicrous to have called Tim a genius then for the move and now bash him for the same exact thing.. (in times where there are temporary political tensions), its plain stupid !
But most astonishing bias and omission of all is:
Guess who the CEO was when that decision was made and executed.
STEVE JOBS, he approved the strategy…. he was the chief honcho. So where is the mention of his name in this alleged epic bs failure !
You cant just have it anyway you want…. consistency in logic is key !
‘IF’ Tim is being blamed for certain things/reasons as Ceo..
So should Steve for the same absolute exact things and reasons!
But no, Steve’S cultish worshipers reside in their own cherry picked lala land . Biased blind bunch.
It is mind boggling how much bs can fly out there.
Proof is in the pudding.. not in irrational biased minds of the haters and bashers. And the above are the facts, not made up fiction.
Just another absolutely blind and biased drive-by Article to bash Tim …
Tim’s Accomplishments.. (facts ! Not emotional bs):
From 50 billion to 250 billion in sales annually.
From shipping 40-50 million units of products to 300 million plus units annually !
All while while maintaining their margins and quality and dealing with passing of Jobs, and construction/move to the new campus!
And Yes i did say quality .. show me where quality is not there .. i own ever product category Apple offers.. and have in the last 15 years, upgrading most of them every year .. where is this bs issue of quality set back .? Its pure bull… Apple’s quality is exactly the same it has always been….if not better now ( just compare plastic iPhone 3g to iPhone x, for example) …..
But Of course there are some issues, but there were always issues! And always will be!
The one dimensional bunch are blind to what is actually a quantity and statistics/probability issue rather than quality……going from 40 million units to 300 million…..And going from a relatively small user base to 1.3 billion. ….Of course there will be more units with defects.. of course there will be more noise out there….but that is not an issue of change in quality standards.. its an issue of absolute numbers ..
Mind you Apple still holds the top spot for customer satisfaction !
Why are all these people so satisfied with junk ?
As for expensiveness , Apple has always always been a premium brand.. that is what they are ! And their gross margins are exactly what they have been historically 38-40% ! Nothing is changed there!
What Tim has accomplished is not a joke and the naive and the simpleton and bashers cant even come close to fathoming what a huge accomplishment it is….. they are unhappy with lack/negligence of mac pro, justifiably so but thats not all of Apple and the issue has been acknowledged by them and responded to and mac pros and displays have been promised for this year.
…and they are panicked and disgruntled over the temporary set back of the stock. …..
Hey paid Jimbo, you have absolutely no idea why Tim brought Apple down to a one trick pony phone peddler.
iPhone is a typical consumer gadget for a mass market, and together with iOS gadgets, it is the only thing Tim could barely understand. Any other Apple products, Mac or network products etc, he does not understand it, so he simply ignored and left it, until the phone business began to screw itself up. There is not much hope T/C could rapidly rebuild Apple. Fortunately, iPhone sales brought Apple massive cash pile riding the smartphone fad. Hope T/C has the ability to use it wisely to survive the perfect storm.
MDN is slowly becoming Rob Enderle. It took me a while to stop reading his diminished perspective, and now, I am slower to click to your bait too.
Today’s Apple is not the ‘Big Ball’ it once was. In fact, it is five times bigger.
Stock price is and never was the measure, and stock prices are always changing, often for all the wrong reasons.
Tim Cook, Jony Ive, the executive team has been very distracted over the last five years by two major programs going on with an apple… Eddy Cue has been distracted, but primarily due to Golden State basketball games and rock concerts…
Apple Park: This was a massively exciting project for everyone at the company, the transition the development, all of it was an absolute distraction for everybody. It’s hard to avoid, but that was the truth.
Project Titan: There are currently 5,000 people working on Project Titan. Yes, this is a car, and Tim Cook, Jony Ive and who knows who else, have been massively distracted by the program, because it’s Apple’s next jump in the markets its little tech companies that could be with them in the smart phone space parentheses companies like Samsung and LG that make washers and dryer‘s and smart phones), have no capability to get there.
For Tim Cook it represents that he has vision and can break into massively new markets and leapfrog the competition while doing so. That has yet to be seen but this is going to be Tim Cook’s legacy, not Apple Watch, not AirPods, the car…
NOTE: Did anyone notice the San Jose TV station that reported on the 3 AM delivery to Apple which resulted in one death? This was a fairly large truck that could hold a car in it easily, where the driver fell asleep at the wheel and it flipped onto its side. The two men in the car were former police officers who were armed working for SIS security delivering a very top-secret package in the middle of the night to the Apple Park.
Because they are and they hate Tim Cooks ”leftist” agenda. Tim Cook is the best CEO in the world and he made Apple one of the richest companies in the world. There is nothing wrong with the health of the company. The only problem is the Russian Bozo in the the Orange House.
I also wonder if, like in 1997, it’s time to bring someone in from outside Apple to shake things up and get it innovating again like Jobs did. Honestly, though, I don’t know who that would be right now, but they would need the backing of the board to let that person clean house, tap a new lead designer who isn’t resting on his past success, and an operations guy who gets the “art” shipped on time!
I don’t think the author understands roles within company. Its not a CEO’s job to be “good at operations”. Its the Operation Officers job, that would be Jeff Williams. A CEO has the entire company to be responsible for.
As CEO its Cooks job to surround himself with good management, maybe that is his failing. But as CEO, he is not also moonlighting as the COO, nor should he be “micromanaging” the COO. He most definitely should be holding them accountable though.
“And while he may have done a great job then, he is a failure at it as CEO.”
Nuff said…
MDN IS NOW ENGAGED IN CHARACTER ASSINATION, SHAMEFUL
Most bashers here are shameful .. irrational bunch who just blaber and even deny when evidence and fact and logic are slapped in their face !
Its a total joke..
Sad and pathetic at the same time.
And very very disturbing!
Yo-jim, your statement is one of great generalization. Is there no truth in the words of those that criticize? Is it possible that your perspective is from one that sees stock price, revenue and simple $$ gain to measure all things with AAPL? Do you not see, or perhaps care Apple has largely moved from its embrace of the “Crazy Ones” to the embrace of the mere pop culture superficiality? Do you not see that Apple is changing and some of that change is material and includes loss of substance and excellence?
Please assume that I deduce you don’t care and or see material changes. Please also assume I deduce your scale is demarcated almost entirely on stock price and rev gain.
No, the conclusions are not irrationally based, but they do come from a broader base…not just stock price, or rev. There are scores of historical examples that TC has dropped the operational ball, some times even with critical releases and sometimes at critical buying times. If you deny this, you may need to realize you are the one “denying the evidence.” I don’t need to mention the Mac Pro as a symbol for many such examples, do I?
No Ronner.
My post here is in context of the Article.. which is in the realm of operations, management mainly and then Apples direction, products, quality and then stock!
They are all tied together in one way or another.
I post about all aspects of Apple in General , from product, to company operations to marketing, to stock! Etc…Always.
The good and the bad and the ugly.
Both my perspective and facts!
But recently the stock, the company strategy and Tim have been more in the spot light !
Ha! What a self-admiring shame!
And this paid character is suddenly using his multi-email address trick to generate so many hundreds of star rating.
Time to clean up this site as it cannot be taken seriously.
My, my, my. The votes are in and they make up a barn-burning boat-load. Someone was canvasing, or manipulatin’ the scene. because the vote count shows MDN’s visitor count has spiked to heretofore unseen levels and new advertising dollars will enable irritating ads to be put on hold for a week or two.
Back to the votes though. Congrats to the manipulator’s skill to “get people to vote!” Totally believable comments section.
@jimbo
It must really hurt to be such a Stockholm syndrome fanboy as you come across as.
Tell you this; the Apple of Cook is nothing of the kind, we the core, fought for in their dark days when the likes of Timmy tried to sell out the company the last time.
There is NO excuse for the dismal product lineup or the gutting of the ecosystem.
The halving of the company valuation is well deserved, and the direct result of SJW Timmy’s greed and prioritization of everything but the product line, and not defending the legacy of the logo.
Apple used to DEFINE the market. Now they peddle their shit in Samsung gear. Despicable!
You have been making the same mistake over and over for months.
What you call “bashers” are in fact rational REALISTS. They are critical thinkers and offer constructive criticism in well reasoned thoughtful and detailed posts.
Your posts are generalized mindless fanboy cheerleading and empty fluff, “a total joke.” When you are presented with facts, you do not address them directly on their merits. Instead, resort to more defensive generalized fluff. “Sad and pathetic at the same time.”…
I assume every “buck stops at the top” commentary applies to our fearless, straight arrow leader, honest as the day is long, and who always takes responsibility for what he says and does, Mr. Trump.
Tim Cook to return to COO role, Scott Forestall returning as CEO:
Revisiting 10 days later, my post stands at a 40% approval rating. Now I know exactly how President Trump feels for speaking the TRUTH.
MAGA! BOTH Make Apple and America Great Again!…
No president has ever lied as often and as blatantly as Donald. How can you not see obvious reality?
Wish I could get a 22% pay raise and $12M in shares for screwing up that badly.
I get it, the writer doesn’t like Tim Cook, but he imbues him him with more power than he has. Tim doesn’t do design, he doesn’t write software. If you had issues with iWork you should have dinged Eddy Cue. (Now Phil or Craig, I forget) iPhone components come from many countries and are assembled in China. Actually, I believe they are assembled in a special economic zone which should give them protections against law suits in China proper.
The buck stops at the top. That the trains don’t run on time, ultimately lay at his lap.
Your 100% wrong about the economic zones having any protections against China courts’ jurisdiction. They most certainly are subject.
Lol .
Yes, bucks stops at the top!
You are right and you just demonstrated proof of your contaditory mindset!
Read jombo’s post .
Yes, Mr.Truth, the assumed name of the paid guard with 250 some starts. Congratulations!
If you have any conception of logic or rationality. You said it, buck stops at the top!
“But most astonishing bias and omission is: guess who the CEO was when that decision was made and executed.
STEVE JOBS, he approved the strategy…. he was the chief honcho. So where is mention of his name in the alleged epic bs failure !
You cant just have it anyway you want…. consistency in logic is key !
‘IF’ Tim is being blamed for certain things as Ceo..
So should Steve for the same absolute exact thing.
But no, Steve’S cultish worshipers reside in their own cherry picked lala land . Biased blind bunch.”
“‘IF’ Tim is being blamed for certain things as Ceo..
So should Steve for the same absolute exact thing.”
Congrats. The most clueless conflation and Cook apologist comment of the day. When the board meets at the spaceship next month, they only need to bring a great big beautiful rainbow colored broom with Cook’s name on it. In a nanosecond after the cleaning is done, board chairman calling Scott, return my call A.S.A.P…
Clueless conflation??
Lets see, the buck stops at the top right?!
Do we agree on that ??
Wiseguy, Jobs was CEO when the decision was made to outsource to China. For which the article is blaming Tim as a CEO today.
The article, inconsistently, places blame on CEO when it suits it and the CFO when it suits it.
You can’t pick and choose your logic base as it suits you! At least rational people don’t.
Did you watch the video?
Another plain, as clear as daylight, slap in the face of the of self-contradicting article which try’s hard to single out Tim Cook.
Get a clue. But i doubt you have the capacity since it seems you are just a mindless critic .
Look;
Let me put it in elementary terms:
In the past 2+2=4
Today 2+2 =4
Tomorrow 2+2=4
At least in the rational world.
Agree?
Article says its ok for 2+2=4 20 years ago.
But today 2+2=5
And if it does not suit us maybe 7 tomorrow.
The artical is packed with contradictory logic and cognitive dissonances !
And Jimbo nailed it.
Signatures of a biased hit job!
This is truly disturbing!
Mr. Falsehood the only truth “that is disturbing” is crediting Jimbo as a BLIND BROKEN RECORD incapable of critical thinking and a serial apologist fanboy that cannot see through the rose colored glasses. To be expected, both of you are two peas in a pod…
GoeB is the GoeBBels of the Mac Movement, a traitor to his people, a brainiac who wields the brain power of a butterfly, yet babbles on as though his brain were the size of a planet.
GoeB’s biggest beef is that Cook is gay. It’s a thread that runs through many of his comments. You do him undeserved justice by responding to his whinging.
“GoeB’s biggest beef is that Cook is gay.“
TOTALLY FALSE ACCUSATION @buzzed! Knock it off. I fully support the sexual preference of every person on planet Earth…
The “rainbow colored broom” comment says quite a lot about why you don’t like Tim Cook, just as all the “magic Negro” comments we used to see here explained a lot about the opposition to a former US President.
Besides,the whole “buck stops here” thing is so passé. The new saying is “The buck stops with everybody,”
“The “rainbow colored broom” comment says quite a lot about why you don’t like Tim Cook”
Pay attention Mr. Imaginary Guilt by word association that I do not appreciate — it SAYS NOTHING NEGATIVE!
But I do regret not explaining myself properly, sorry.
The Chairman of the Apple board needs to bring a big beautiful sturdy broom to clean up the overpaid lazy Apple executive team.
Made of organic flyover heartland corn strands beautifully rainbow colored and sturdy for the long work ahead. Fastened to the shaft wrapped tightly in the latest iWatch glowing neon bands encrusted with diamonds designed by Jony Ive attached to a finely milled tolerance rose gold colored handle.
Yup, that will do it…
“Besides,the whole “buck stops here” thing is so passé.”
The topic clueless is Tim Cook, no one else or PC politics you are dragging in to make some ridiculous obtuse point.
“buck stops here” is TIMELESS, accurate and you cannot change its importance or meaning. I find your liberal beliefs so passé…
If “the buck stops here” is a timeless immutable truth, why did The President of the United States quite specifically repudiate it during his trip to Texas last week?
My point is not at all obtuse: you cannot hold one Chief Executive responsible for everything that happens on his watch (even circumstances outside his direct control) and not hold all Chief Executives responsible.
Cook has taken care of the Apple cash cow: the iPhone and the iPad. Apple services are big money makers, but could use an ounce of common sense.
Fail: MacPro, Mac mini
Pass with severe reservations: rest of Mac lineup–give us one entry level desktop and laptop that doesn’t require your insanely priced SSDs.
iCloud storage,Apple Music, iCloud Music—get these all combined in one convenient package already.
AppleTV: Fail
iPhone: A
iPad: A
Beautiful article. The best posted at MDN in many years!
Pipeline is an abject failure.
Pipeline is a complete and total failure.
The posted article above is just scratching the surface at how awful a CEO Pipeline has been for Apple.
Years from now, short years, Pipeline will be viewed in a worse light than Spindler or Scully. Pipeline has taken Apple at its very best and run it straight into the ground. Steve Jobs left Pipeline a company that was simply amazing and Pipeline trashed it.
Pipeline is a disgusting and contemptible human being, full of hubris and brazenly lazy.
FFS, why does Eddy Cue still have a job?
Because Pipeline is lazy.
Pipeline IS the Steve Ballmer of Apple.
@Alan Greenspan
👍
Amen, Alan…
Greenspin is the pipeline of logic, the pipe runs directly in the Stobbbbs Vonne Dogue IsToilet.
Greenspin… sad and ultrajealous, his best attribute is forum typist.
Another absolutely irrational and shallow-one dimensional article..filled with convenient selective memory….and bs aimed at the simpletons and the naive and uninformed !
Review minute 2:00 On:
And that is just a couple examples from the horses mouth… and there are tons more.. yet conveniently avoided. Proof is in the pudding!
As for China.. 1st off Apple has a huge supply chain .. not just China.. and even their assembly is not all in mainland, (but yes big portion is). Plus from my understanding Apple has and is actively working on setting/increasing capacity for assembly in other countries, like India, Brazil, Vietnam, Philippines ..etc..
Plus its ludicrous to have called him a genius then for the move and now bash him for the same exact thing.. (in times where there are temporary political tensions), its plain stupid !
Also its not just Apple who is manufacturing in China , the whole world is.. just read the labels on anything manufactured to get a clue.. i guess every CEO in the world is stupid and a failure ha…. lol
But most astonishing bias and omission is: guess who the CEO was when that decision was made and executed.
STEVE JOBS, he approved the strategy…. he was the chief honcho. So where is mention of his name in the alleged epic bs failure !
You cant just have it anyway you want…. consistency in logic is key !
‘IF’ Tim is being blamed for certain things as Ceo..
So should Steve for the same absolute exact thing.
But no, Steve’S cultish worshipers reside in their own cherry picked lala land . Biased blind bunch.
It is mind boggling how much bs can fly out there.
Proof is in the pudding.. not in irrational biased minds of the haters and bashers. And the above are the facts, not made up fiction.
Just another absolutely blind and biased drive by Article to bash Tim …
Tims Accomplishments.. (facts ! Not emotional bs)
From 50 billion to 250 billion in sales annually.
From shipping 40-50 million units of products to 300 million plus units annually !
All while while maintaining their margins and quality and dealing with passing of Jobs, and construction/move to the new campus!
And Yes i did say quality .. show me where quality is not there .. i own ever product category Apple offers.. and have in the last 15 years, upgrading most of them every year .. where is this bs of quality set back issue.? Its pure bull… apple’s quality is exactly the same its it has always been….if not better now ( just compare plastic iPhone 3g to iPhone x, for example) …..plus there were always issues and there are issues now !
The one dimensional are blind to whats is quantity and statistics /probability issue rather than quality……going from 40 million units to 300 million…..And going from a relatively small user base to 1.3 billion. ….Of course there is more noise out there….but that is not an issue of quality.. its an issue of absolute numbers ..
..And Apple has always always been a premium brand.. that is what they are ! Their gross margins are exactly what they have been historically 38-40% ! Nothing is changed there!
Mind you Apple still holds the top spot for customer satisfaction !
Why are all these people so satisfied with junk ?
What Tim has accomplished is not a joke and the naive and the simpleton cant even come close to fathoming what a huge accomplishment it is….. they are unhappy with lack/negligence of mac pro, justifiably so but thats not all of Apple or end of the world .. , which by the way is coming plus displays.
and they are panicked and disgruntled on the temporary set back of the stock. …..
Panic is a bitch and a self fulfilling prophecy !
🙄 Never go full ransom note…
Well the above post is about facts… not emotionsl fiction.
Disagreeing with facts only make the disagreer look foolish !
There is not an ounce of rationality in the bashers post here
All Emotinion spewing of unfounded crap and hatered !
But hey its your life.. live it as you like 😉
“There is not an ounce of rationality in the bashers post here.”
Reality here. There is not an atomic particle of “rationality” in your BLIND fanboy posts…
@Jimbo
You’re so brainwashed Jimbo, even the most deluded fanbois are embarrassed of you.
There’s cult deluded fanbois, then there’s “Stepford Wives” deluded fanbois. You definitely fall into the latter category.
Relax, just take it easy, and make sure you kiss your boyfriend on the moustache tonight. Everything will be okay in the morning.
Or not.
😳
I guess facts annoy you ha.. even when they come out of the mouth of you guru, Steve Jobs, directly….
Cornered and barking and foaming in the mouth Zero ? ..
That is what happens to dogmatic irrationals . !. But You are not alone.
Super classy mind u. Keep it up !
Steve said those jobs are in China because no where else in the world do they produce enough engineers to create and run factories that can handle the volumes Apple needs to produce. America would require years of improvement to its educational standards in math, science, and engineering do so. Trump appointed an Education head with zero experience in education, so that isn’t improving anytime soon.
“I guess facts annoy you ha..”
No, minus facts in your repeat defensive fanboy apologist rants are annoying…
“Review minute 2:00 On:
And that is just a couple examples from the horses mouth… and there are tons more.. yet conveniently avoided. Proof is in the pudding!”
What’s wrong with it? Do you even understand what Jobs was talking about on the stage? I suggest you do not embarrass yourself.
1. He was not as deceptive as Tim Cook. Jobs knew what he was talking about and upfront to the audience about the schedule slip. He was honest about it, and never even attempted to hide it with convoluted and cheap gibberish like Tim always does. Wonderful!! No complaint there. Just a totally different personality and the depth of knowledge and experience between the two.
2. In the following year, he materialized it. Absolutely no pipeline talk!
3. There is absolutely no way Tim Cook could talk like Jobs with perfect technical understanding and a clear path ahead. I have no recollection of Tim Cook ever talked anything about the future path or plan etc. It’s all pipeline talk. This is why Jobs was a visionary and Tim Cook could not be. Instead, Tim Cook…. All about profit, China and other small talks.
You keep talking about the “fact”. as if your ultra-partisan stupid posts are all based on the facts, while in fact, you are simply quoting someone else’s articles. Sad, eh? Suggest you do not embarrass yourself here among much more intelligent people here.
Oh i definitely do.. seems you are lost !
No, you definitely do not understand. You are the one that is totally lost and you keep digging yourself deeper into the clueless hole. Unbelievable you don’t see it. Sad…
I am please, very very pleased, to see that the vast majority of people here are 100% rejecting the moronic ramblings of the drooling fan boy jimbo. His transparent shilling for Pipeline is completely ineffective.
The market has spoken about how effective a CEO Pipeline is. The bilge from a raving lunatic like Jimbo will not cover that up, no matter how hard he wets the bed.
Haha.. I guess Steve jobs is also moronically rambling in the video too Ha!…. i guess the sky is solid too… and black is actually white?
Well we know that you are an emotional mess anyway Von , after playing a game you had no buisness playing in .
You see, u and likes of you have no capacity for facts and logic and rationality and are driven by violent emotional outbutrs !
My post represnts facts you can verify and actually watch….
’your emotionsl rambling is that .Just disgruntled irrational rambling. Period.
Not one rational word from all the bashers above !
Total joke . 🤦♂️
Yup…
For simplicity, there are 2 kinds of people in this AAPL conversation…
1). some people use stock price, sales, revenue, etc to make pro/com determinations.
2). some people observe changes that translate to company decline. This determination doesn’t necessarily correlate with $$ decline at the current time, but likely, if decline continues.
yo-Jim is in the 1st group and he doesn’t care or see the changes, or doesn’t associate changes with decline.
Personally, I’m in the 2nd group, but also a stock holder and, therefore welcome $$ gain, but it doesn’t mean all is well, just b/c there’s gain.
Yo-jim; please stop calling people with dissenting views as irrational. It does nothing for your argument. You have a way of measuring, as do I. They are different.
Absolutely wrong Ronne.
Read my post again..
I addressed both sides !
I always do.. on product end, business/company end and stock end .
I critic the good and the bad..
( but to know that u have to be familiar with years of my post)
As a matter of fact,in general, i post more on product than other issues.
Plus this post was in context of the Article!
“Read my post again”. as if to say people here do not understand your repetitive posts. Read your post again, Jimbo!
And are you trying to impress people here that you are a fair and equitable minded person? Why do you have to do so? Is that because you are such an insecure person, pretending you are ALWAYS on the right side. You always attempt to justify your juvenile posts and cover yourself up by a deceptive insistence that you are such a fair-minded person. I can hear people are giggling amused. And you do not even realize people are scoffing you off and ridiculing you like an Emperor with no clothes.
Keep having fun. We shall do so too. We need good entertainment and a punching bag like you.
Thank you. Yours PITA
Just as repetitive as the emotionaly charged irrational garbage handed out by some of the posters , but with one difference: they are fact and logic based.
And it seems some do read.
You are more than welcome to skip!
No one put a gun to your head.
Unfortunately, they are NOT the facts nor logic based. It’s merely your declaration and conjectures to use your preferred terminologies without any facts and logic.
You want me to skip, I know, but I will follow you to criticize your mindless bashing of people here. We criticize Tim Cook and occasionally Apple. But that’s the whole purpose of the discussion, as long as we stay away from the personal attack of Tim. We do not like Tim’s management and the results of it. So, we criticize him, often severely. What is your purpose of always trying (yes just trying but no appreciable effect) to desperately defend Tim/Apple without any factual backup and even dismiss Jobs? I know the answer but will gradually reveal it. Yours PITA
Sorry to say we are tiring of your incessant repetitive Apple apologist fanboy posts that ignore REALITY. Cheerleading Apple does not change an atomic particle of what is really going on. Unless you can address Apple shortcomings in a mature manner, I suggest not posting the same drivel over and over…
No, absolutely right Ronne is the correct response. Stop pretending
to be fair and balanced. Your own words betray you time after time. It is an insult to intelligence…
Tim Cook announces retirement:
Repeat of my main post. Pardon the grammar and thought flow issues in the original. 🤦♂️🤦♂️
Just wanted to repost a somewhat cleaner copy .
Review minute 2:00 On:
And that is just a couple examples from the horses mouth… and there are tons more.. yet conveniently avoided. Proof is in the pudding!
As for China.. 1st off Apple has a huge supply chain and not all just in China.. and even their assembly is not all in mainland, (but yes big portion is). Also from my understanding Apple has and is actively working on setting-up/increasing capacity for assembly in other countries, like India, Brazil, Vietnam, Philippines ..etc..
Also its not just Apple who is manufacturing in China , the whole world is.. just read the labels on anything manufactured to get a clue.. i guess every CEO in the world is stupid and a failure ha….
Its ludicrous to have called Tim a genius then for the move and now bash him for the same exact thing.. (in times where there are temporary political tensions), its plain stupid !
But most astonishing bias and omission of all is:
Guess who the CEO was when that decision was made and executed.
STEVE JOBS, he approved the strategy…. he was the chief honcho. So where is the mention of his name in this alleged epic bs failure !
You cant just have it anyway you want…. consistency in logic is key !
‘IF’ Tim is being blamed for certain things/reasons as Ceo..
So should Steve for the same absolute exact things and reasons!
But no, Steve’S cultish worshipers reside in their own cherry picked lala land . Biased blind bunch.
It is mind boggling how much bs can fly out there.
Proof is in the pudding.. not in irrational biased minds of the haters and bashers. And the above are the facts, not made up fiction.
Just another absolutely blind and biased drive-by Article to bash Tim …
Tim’s Accomplishments.. (facts ! Not emotional bs):
From 50 billion to 250 billion in sales annually.
From shipping 40-50 million units of products to 300 million plus units annually !
All while while maintaining their margins and quality and dealing with passing of Jobs, and construction/move to the new campus!
And Yes i did say quality .. show me where quality is not there .. i own ever product category Apple offers.. and have in the last 15 years, upgrading most of them every year .. where is this bs issue of quality set back .? Its pure bull… Apple’s quality is exactly the same it has always been….if not better now ( just compare plastic iPhone 3g to iPhone x, for example) …..
But Of course there are some issues, but there were always issues! And always will be!
The one dimensional bunch are blind to what is actually a quantity and statistics/probability issue rather than quality……going from 40 million units to 300 million…..And going from a relatively small user base to 1.3 billion. ….Of course there will be more units with defects.. of course there will be more noise out there….but that is not an issue of change in quality standards.. its an issue of absolute numbers ..
Mind you Apple still holds the top spot for customer satisfaction !
Why are all these people so satisfied with junk ?
As for expensiveness , Apple has always always been a premium brand.. that is what they are ! And their gross margins are exactly what they have been historically 38-40% ! Nothing is changed there!
What Tim has accomplished is not a joke and the naive and the simpleton and bashers cant even come close to fathoming what a huge accomplishment it is….. they are unhappy with lack/negligence of mac pro, justifiably so but thats not all of Apple and the issue has been acknowledged by them and responded to and mac pros and displays have been promised for this year.
…and they are panicked and disgruntled over the temporary set back of the stock. …..
Hence this uber irrational chaos!
Just too much frenzy!
Panic is a bitch and a self fulfilling prophecy !
Hey paid Jimbo, you have absolutely no idea why Tim brought Apple down to a one trick pony phone peddler.
iPhone is a typical consumer gadget for a mass market, and together with iOS gadgets, it is the only thing Tim could barely understand. Any other Apple products, Mac or network products etc, he does not understand it, so he simply ignored and left it, until the phone business began to screw itself up. There is not much hope T/C could rapidly rebuild Apple. Fortunately, iPhone sales brought Apple massive cash pile riding the smartphone fad. Hope T/C has the ability to use it wisely to survive the perfect storm.
MDN is slowly becoming Rob Enderle. It took me a while to stop reading his diminished perspective, and now, I am slower to click to your bait too.
Today’s Apple is not the ‘Big Ball’ it once was. In fact, it is five times bigger.
Stock price is and never was the measure, and stock prices are always changing, often for all the wrong reasons.
Tim Cook, Jony Ive, the executive team has been very distracted over the last five years by two major programs going on with an apple… Eddy Cue has been distracted, but primarily due to Golden State basketball games and rock concerts…
Apple Park: This was a massively exciting project for everyone at the company, the transition the development, all of it was an absolute distraction for everybody. It’s hard to avoid, but that was the truth.
Project Titan: There are currently 5,000 people working on Project Titan. Yes, this is a car, and Tim Cook, Jony Ive and who knows who else, have been massively distracted by the program, because it’s Apple’s next jump in the markets its little tech companies that could be with them in the smart phone space parentheses companies like Samsung and LG that make washers and dryer‘s and smart phones), have no capability to get there.
For Tim Cook it represents that he has vision and can break into massively new markets and leapfrog the competition while doing so. That has yet to be seen but this is going to be Tim Cook’s legacy, not Apple Watch, not AirPods, the car…
NOTE: Did anyone notice the San Jose TV station that reported on the 3 AM delivery to Apple which resulted in one death? This was a fairly large truck that could hold a car in it easily, where the driver fell asleep at the wheel and it flipped onto its side. The two men in the car were former police officers who were armed working for SIS security delivering a very top-secret package in the middle of the night to the Apple Park.
oh….. enough already with the Tim… bitching. You actually sound like one of those Microsoft fanboys bitching about Apple 🙁
Because they are and they hate Tim Cooks ”leftist” agenda. Tim Cook is the best CEO in the world and he made Apple one of the richest companies in the world. There is nothing wrong with the health of the company. The only problem is the Russian Bozo in the the Orange House.
I also wonder if, like in 1997, it’s time to bring someone in from outside Apple to shake things up and get it innovating again like Jobs did. Honestly, though, I don’t know who that would be right now, but they would need the backing of the board to let that person clean house, tap a new lead designer who isn’t resting on his past success, and an operations guy who gets the “art” shipped on time!
I don’t think the author understands roles within company. Its not a CEO’s job to be “good at operations”. Its the Operation Officers job, that would be Jeff Williams. A CEO has the entire company to be responsible for.
As CEO its Cooks job to surround himself with good management, maybe that is his failing. But as CEO, he is not also moonlighting as the COO, nor should he be “micromanaging” the COO. He most definitely should be holding them accountable though.
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