Women criticize Apple for designing iPhones that are too big for women’s small hands

“Apple has been criticised by feminists for designing iPhones which are ‘too big’ for the average female hand,” Helena Horton reports for The Telegraph.

“Campaigners have responded angrily to the news that the technology company will be discontinuing the iPhone SE, which has a smaller screen. They argue that as the average female hand is an inch shorter in width compared to the average male’s, women need the option to buy smaller devices,” Horton reports. “The screen width of the new iPhone X models ranges from 5.8in to 6.5in, compared to the smaller iPhone SE, which has a smaller screen at 4in.”

“Caroline Criado Perez, the feminist campaigner behind the Millicent Fawcett statue in Parliament Square and the Jane Austen ten pound note, said she developed repetitive strain injury from using a phone which was too big for her hand,” Horton reports. “‘We should be furious about this, we are paying just as much money for it as men for a product that doesn’t work as well for us. I have to make a choice between making an upgrade to the only phone that fits my hand before they discontinue it – soon there will be no iPhone that fits the average woman’s hand size – even though the technology is two years out of date. Or get a new one and deal with the fact that it’ll give me RSI. That’s not an acceptable choice in the 21st century, you need to have a smartphone.'”

Read more in the full article here.

MacDailyNews Take: In response, an Apple spokesman criticized God for designing women’s hands that are too small for iPhones.

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Apple discontinues low-end 4-inch iPhone SE, replaces it with a much better ‘budget’ iPhone – September 14, 2018

95 Comments

    1. So, Mr. Prater, you oppose technology that would enable a significant part of the population to use iPhones?

      My guess is that people like dwse think that the Americans with Disabilities Act was passed to benefit “a lot of self-entitled losers.” Is it scary that visually impaired folks exist?

      Apparently it is scary that women exist, though they are plainly inferior since they are smaller on average. According to one poster below, their small hands are the result of feminism. If they just knew their place, their thumbs would reach all the way across an iPhone Xs Max!

      Honestly, how would you react if Apple dropped all its accessibility features because there aren’t enough people with disabilities to justify the expense?

      1. Give us a break from theself-righteous lecture. Prater is pointing out the hypocrisy present in what is in Horton’s report. Its really a load of BS and you know it.

        Economics determines what products are sold and females’ hand size has nothing to do with it nor does any kind of anti-woman sentiment as Horton’s sources would clearly have the world believe.

        Not everything that affects a gender has to do with what is between their legs.

        The other person “dwse” – the stupidity present in his choice of words and conclusion speaks for itself.

      2. I have to say the market is probably making the call here. If enough people (including women) were buying smaller phones, I’m sure Apple would continue making them. It’s as simple as that.

        Honestly, most of my friends who have Plus iPhones are women. I’m assuming because they can stash the phone in a purse, they’re not taking pocket-size into account when they’re deciding what to buy. Obviously my personal experience is anecdotal, but it doesn’t surprise me that the market for an SE size phone isn’t large enough for Apple to continue addressing it.

        1. “I have to say the market is probably making the call here.”

          No, beancounter Cook is making the call here to force sales of higher priced phones.

          “If enough people (including women) were buying smaller phones, I’m sure Apple would continue making them.”

          No, Apple sells millions of them particularly in developing countries because they are the lowest priced.

          It’s all about profits NOW under Cook, NOT serving their customers.

          Don’t diss the women …

      1. That’s a species, not a gender. Even Rehsus monkeys only come in male and female.

        Now if your species wants its own phone, you can design it.

        (And for you sensitive type, there is anatomically just male and female. How you identify is your business.)

        1. How dare you gender shame our furry friend above by forcing your outmoded binary system on them!
          Now days if you believe your gender is unicorn with rainbow farts, that’s what everyone is supposed to accept your gender as.
          Shame on you for opressing his special snowflakiness.

  1. OMG! How will they use Macs and their gigantic keyboards? How will these women use iPads? How will they be able to drive cars? Burn these oppressive devices now! BDS now!
    Modern feminism is a cancer.

      1. Android kinda pushed the accelerator on large phones, Apple just followed.

        Raging over this seems like raging over being kicked off Twitter. Some things that are made today are not for some people. They will live unless their little snowflake hearts melt 🙂

    1. It might be nice to see something that has the overall size of the SE, but with an edge to edge, larger screen (as in the approach of the X models). Maybe Apple will look at this in the future, when the legacy models offered in the current lineup drop off.

      1. Something even smaller than the SE. I like your description but I’d add if they are thinking small then take a step further and shrink the phone even more. Make a real small phone. Make it distinctive. Most of us wouldn’t want the small phone as our primary phone, but I wouldn’t mind using it given certain situations SO LONG AS I could switch back and forth between my regular, larger phone and a small one.

        Make the small phone about the size of the iPod – thin, edge to edge screen. Encourage use of Cloud services. Maybe it could be used to help sell Cloud services since onboard storage may not be all that much.

        I think there is a sizable segment of the current iPhone market that would buy a second, much smaller phone, if we could switch between phones. Now that I’m thinking about it, we probably already can do it with continuity.

      2. Yes, exactly. Not a cheap phone. The full-featured up-to-date 4.5” – 5” iPhone Xpro. For professionals who are too busy to put their briefcases down in order to use two hands.

        People who need cheap phones are actually more likely to have such low self-esteem they aren’t embarrassed to scurry around hunched over like Gollum, clutching their precioussss with both hands.

      3. One problem with Apple releasing a new ‘small’ iPhone at this point would be the difficulty in justifying a near $1k price which iPhones are trending towards. The alternative would be to actually price it about $600 and possibly eat into the sales of the new line of iPhones.

        1. If the small one is priced too close to a much larger iPhone one may eat into the sales of the other. Or it may end up with the smaller phone ‘failing’ in sales due to consumers’ perceiving a better value in the larger version.

  2. Is it really that hard for Apple to do? Would it be that expensive to engineer? Why let that market slip away? Why not design something for people with small hands?

    Why not design a way for people to quickly switch phones. The big phone for work and the small phone for that late night, party purse.

    The small phone doesn’t need all the bells and whistles.

        1. No problem with that. Just the idea of owning both a large and small iPhone at the same time (probably with the same number) may be out of range for most people’s budget.

  3. So, wait. Apple designs a phone that fits women’s hands well – that’s the iPhone 8 or the Xs or whatever they call it these days. So now they design a phone for people with bigger hands WITHOUT abandoning the feminized base iPhone and suddenly they’re non-feminist? Why does one sex or the other have to lose in this men-are-the-enemy bs game? THERE IS AN IPHONE THAT FITS WOMEN’S HANDS WELL AND THERE WILL BE EVER MORE! Can men not have ONE freaking thing in the line of products that is more suited for them – and the REAL feminists who still say there isn’t a difference between the sexes?

    1. Rettogo, Since you don’t know the difference between an iPhone 8 and an Xs, I’m guessing you don’t know how big either of them is.

      It is simply not true that “THERE IS AN IPHONE THAT FITS WOMEN’S HANDS WELL AND THERE WILL BE EVER MORE!” The smallest phone that Apple currently sells, the iPhone 7, is too big for many users of both genders.

      The only phone Apple was selling that fit smaller hands was the iPhone SE which HAS been abandoned. It was not “feminized.” It was actually larger than the first five generations of iPhone intended for everybody, and the same size as the next two generations.

      Women have been complaining about the size of current iPhones since the iPhone 6 came out four years ago. So have many men with even average-sized hands (like me; I’m 5 ft. 10 and cannot use one while holding anything else in my hands). Some customers just stopped upgrading with the 5s (2013 technology). Others got an SE, which was the same size as a 5s but with the guts of a 2014 iPhone 6.

      The iPhone 8 is the same size as the 6 and 7–too big for many of us, including but not limited to many women. The iPhone X has been discontinued. The iPhone Xs has a bigger screen than the 7 and all the other available models (the 7 Plus, 8 Plus, Xr, and Xs Max) are bigger yet.

      So, no, there isn’t a smaller iPhone. Men with big hands don’t have just “have ONE freaking thing in the line of products that is more suited for them.” ALL the products are more suited for them.

      I don’t know a single feminist who does not recognize that women are smaller and weaker, on average, than men. That’s exactly why they think women need legal protection. It they had the same strength, they could just pummel the sexist swine until they started treating women as well as they treat men.

        1. That’s probably right. But I think at the time the trend was larger displays so the SE was a sort of ‘return’ to smaller displays relatively speaking. Apple could release a display slightly larger than the SE but with the same width and it’ll still count as a ‘return’ in my book since the recent phones are so much larger.

        2. Well, whether it was a “return” or continuation, same difference. What I do know, Apple has been offering more years of small form factor phones, than not. Now, it is all about the money and NOT the customers …

      1. No, they are too wide for a man with large hands (XL gloves fit me like a glove) to use without putting down his briefcase so both hands are free. The thumb doesn’t reach the upper-left corner of the screen.

        Watch people using the iPhone nowadays. Most of them (except people settled for the non-premium featured SE because it was the only normal size phone) use both hands. Not really because they decided that’s what they preferred but because when the iPhones got bigger they had to start using both hands and just got used to it. They got used to putting things down to use their phones. Some of us tried for months getting used to it and never could, so we traded in our 6s for SEs. Not because SEs are cheaper but because they are easier to use and don’t require you to hire a servant to follow you around and carry your stuff.

        1. Oh, and before somebody points out the “swipe right from left edge” gesture, I know I can use it instead of the articles button. Holding my 6s firmly while reaching that far left and swiping far enough right strains my thumb to the point that it starts to hurt. A UI that causes a repetitive stress injury isn’t a solution to the problem.

      2. I stand corrected. I’d like to see some of the people calling us sissies use the MDN app on a post-2015 one-handed. Note the position of the “> Articles” link in the extreme upper left corner.

  4. I never consider using a phone with one hand. It’s a two-hand machine—for me. Nothing wrong with that to me. It’s just the way things are today. My hands aren’t big. Keyboard entry gets harder as phone size shrinks.

    For those who don’t want to use two hands, there is both Siri (which, admittedly, I don’t find efficient but hope it’s getting better) or the Apple Watch. Neither may be as good as a little phone for some but the iPhone seems to have long ago left the realm if a simple phone to approaching a handheld computer. Not quite there, but closer every year.

    Perhaps people who hate the size should consider non-iPhone, old fashioned tiny phone-only phones AND carry an iPhone for everything else. The little phone fits almost anywhere. But an approaching hand-held computer and portable television screen requires something bigger.

    My small hands ordered the XsMax and will be happy with it. I do sympathize with the argument for a small-hand phone, but suggest rethinking options in the current “phone” world.

    1. It doesn’t require something bigger. Apple demonstrated long ago they are able to miniaturize. The reason the tablet-size phone fad started is because Samsung and Apple’s other competitors were unable to make a phone that had the iPhone’s features at an affordable price without making it bigger.

      1. Well said.

        “It doesn’t require something bigger. Apple demonstrated long ago they are able to miniaturize.”

        The first iPhone was the smallest of them all. If I remember correctly it was 3.5 inches.

        Steve praised it as the perfect size in the hand.

        Mr. Cook you worked for Steve back then in 2007. What happened? Profits…

    2. If the components for an iPhone 6s fit in the SE case, why wouldn’t the guts of an iPhone 8? Sure, there would be some heat dissipation and battery life issues, but Apple managed those in the past.

  5. Anecdotally, the only people I know with the large phones such as the 6/7-Plus are women… I always assumed that is because they don’t mind carrying it around in a purse instead of their front pocket like I would.

  6. Design your own phone, stop relying on men, just like invent your own sports, stop playing sports invented by men,

    I mean, don’t let men hold you back. Go do it! Impress me.

    The same women who handle everything with inch long fingernails.

    Usually they’re glowing when things are too big to fit their hands.

      1. Love that movie!

        Have over 1,000 VHS tapes that work just fine and WWC is one of them a great fifties sci-fi flick. “Forbidden Planet” is also high my list. It was an inspiration for Star Trek and Star Wars.

        Hopefully the women will protest outside Cook’s office in the Apple spaceship … you go girls!!! …

  7. i have a 9″ span from tip of thumb to tip of little finger and i can palm a basketball (just barely!). yet i haven’t gotten a new iPhone in several years because i want one that is comfortable in my hand and fits in the front pocket of my jeans, where i have carried my iPhone since they came out. i think the macantelope on macworld also prefers a smaller iPhone, or at least he certainly mentions it enough. so it isn’t just women or people with smaller hands that like the smaller size iPhone.

    1. Anthropometrically, A 9″ span is just about the 50th percentile point for an American adult male.

      This means that these “too big” for effective UI Apple products are functionally inconveniencing and/or excluding some pretty big groups of potential customers. Without hitting the literature to look up the exact percentiles, the “affected by a bad UI” values are roughly:

      ~50% of adult American males
      ~65% of adult American females
      60%-70% of American teens

      Similarly, this functional exclusion outside of the USA adversely affects:

      45%-66% of adult Europeans*
      60%-75% of teen Europeans

      55%-75% of adult Asians
      60%-80% of teen Asians

      * – the lower than 50% value here stems from Northwestern (Scandinavian) EU.

      Sadly, I can see the emerging excuse be “you’re holding it wrong”. Thanks, but that doesn’t change the size of the pocket I want to put the smartphone in.

      FWIW, I can remember back when the Palm Pilot V was a huge product breakthrough – primarily because we finally had a device small enough to go in a shirt breast pocket. While iPhones are thinner and aren’t really that much wider, they are substantially taller (a 6/6s is roughly an inch), which makes them quite vulnerable to tipping out of the pocket as soon as you bend over to any degree. That’s why in many folks have moved the iPhone to their front pants pocket.

      …and this is not a shocking new issue; I’ve mentioned before on MDN that my wife had stuck with an iPhone 5 for way too long because of its UI factor on size. She’s got an SE now (finally) and I can now see that we’ll be replacing batteries in that phone for years to come.

      Perhaps another question to ask of politically-correct Apple is … where’s your diversity? Where’s the women in leadership stopping the guys from making such downright misogynistic mistakes?

  8. Quite ironic considering the first and biggest market for large phones has been women. Just about every single woman I know, regardless of their age or socio economic demographic, has a large screen phone and wouldn’t think of anything else.

    The remarks in the report remind me of women who wear very high heels and damage injure themselves and then want to blame the shoe designers and fashion industry.

    1. You tell ’em, GeoB!

      If auramac had read the article, he would have seen that some people have developed repetitive stress injuries from repeatedly stretching their thumbs in a vain attempt to use larger phones. A phone that hurts people strikes me as “too big.”

      1. People that try to use a phone with one hand when it requires two, strike me as rather stupid. and also obnoxious. the reason the need to use one hand is because they are using their phone while doing other tasks they should be concentrating on.
        But the simple fact is if Apple had introduced a iPhone SE 2 and said it was a better size for women, they would have been attacked for being sexist.

  9. She got a repetitive strain injury because she is a whiny b-word that can’t stop complaining on FB and Twitter. Sorry but unless your an NBA center most iPhones don’t fit in one hand whether you male or female. But yet they still sell like crazy because that’s what people want. People don’t primarily use their phones one handed anymore because people don’t use them primarily as phones. Personally i use a tiny LG phone because it fits in my jeans knife pocket and the battery is good for about 2-3 weeks. I carry a 12 iPad Pro 90% of the time so i dont need a phone to be anything but a phone. But those that use a phone for everything want big screens.

    1. So. are the half-dozen or more men on this site who have been complaining about discontinuing the SE all “whiny b-words,” too, or do you assume that only women can be hysterical? They have uteruses and we don’t (look up the etymology of “hysteria”).

      Yes, we know that “most iPhones don’t fit in one hand.” If we were too stupid to recognize that, why would we be complaining? That is exactly what our complaint is about. There was one that did fit in one hand, and now there isn’t. Would I still be a “b-word” if I only had one hand, due to an amputation or paralysis?

      You suggest that if Apple changes its devices so that we can’t use them the same way we have been doing for ten years, it is our fault if we don’t adapt without complaining. Where is it written that “The vendor is always right?”

      While it is true that “most people don’t use their phones one-handed anymore,” that is because most people use Android devices that have to be that big. Samsung, etc. aren’t as good at miniaturization as Apple historically was. If Apple could pack the functionality of an iPhone 6s into an SE, it could do the same for at least an 8 and probably an X… if it wanted to.

      When I had a smaller iPhone that I could use one-handed, I didn’t use it primarily as a phone. I used it as a device for accessing the Internet that didn’t require me to put down whatever I was holding in my other hand or risk an injury. Is that difficult to understand?

      I’m glad you have found a solution for the problem that satisfies you, but not all of us are so easily satisfied. Because most of us are long-term Apple customers, we don’t want to buy a cheap LG phone that doesn’t do anything but make phone calls. We don’t want to haul around a cellular-enabled iPad everywhere we go in order to run apps and access web sites. We don’t want to duplicate all our apps for both Android and iOS devices.

      Obviously, people who want to “use their phone for everything” including as a slightly smaller iPad, want big screens. That is a tautology. Nobody is suggesting that there is anything wrong with their preference, or that Apple should not provide the Xs, Xr, or Xs Max to satisfy their desires. They are wonderful devices for people who want to replace their existing iPhone and iPad with a single device that costs more than the two did.

      However, those people are not the only Apple customers. Others of us have a different set of requirements that Apple has been satisfying for a decade, and suddenly isn’t any more. I think we have the right to complain without being called “whiny b-words.”

      1. Most likely the best post on the loss of the SE. You covered all the bases and then some, well done.

        “Yes, we know that “most iPhones don’t fit in one hand.” If we were too stupid to recognize that, why would we be complaining? That is exactly what our complaint is about.”

        Duh. Precisely stated, everything in a nutshell.

        “You suggest that if Apple changes its devices so that we can’t use them the same way we have been doing for ten years, it is our fault if we don’t adapt without complaining. Where is it written that “The vendor is always right?”

        Yes indeed, turn it back to where it rightly belongs — Apple’s poor decision the users did not REQUEST. Tim Cook please send out an e-mail letter explaining why you decided to kill the small form factor iPhone that debuted in 2007 at 3.5 inches, grew slightly, and was available for 11, ALL iPhone YEARS, UNTIL last week. Also, please explain why you are ignoring customers with smaller hands, particularly women. What are your future plans to address their NEEDS?

        “If Apple could pack the functionality of an iPhone 6s into an SE, it could do the same for at least an 8 and probably an X… if it wanted to.”

        Amen, “if it wanted to” is the entire KEY to the matter. No reason not to. I accept the reality for now, but don’t like it one particle. Some men have small hands as well, so this is not sexist as other clowns allege. Fingers crossed the protests grow and the letters flow in and Tim will reverse course in the future.

        “I think we have the right to complain without being called “whiny b-words.”

        You go, TXUser!

        Yes, imagine if they made a small form factor phone without the home button and edge to edge screen. Like we saw with the X the viewing area would grow without enlarging the physical size of the phone. Hell, I wouldn’t care if they made it out of waterproof plastic like Samsung to save materials costs. It would be APPLE.

        It’s nice to dream once in awhile… 🌝

        1. I thought about writing an article for the New Yorker, to be titled “The Art of the Complaint.” It would be peppered with excerpts from saucy blog post exchanges like these, and would reveal to the general public the nut-wringer of social pressure on corporate honchos that sometimes gets results. My only problem with writing the piece is that I haven’t any direct evidence that MDN howling has reached any ears in Cupertino. Inside sources at Apple are mum, even to journalistic kingpins like John Gruber or Jim Dalrymple. There may be indirect evidence that our whinging gets back to Apple, through the occasional slip of the tongue here and there by their on-stage presenters that suggests they are indeed listening to voices in the hinterlands. But pretty much, Apple lives behind an iron curtain. I blame Steve Jobs for this. He had a maniacal self-assurance, a penchant for secrecy, a disdain for the judgement of common people, and an Edgar Cayce-like vision of a future he could bring into being that would be irresistable to us. Also, he had small hands.

        2. Herself, as the eminent wordsmith you would write a most superlative article for the “New Yorker.”

          They would be richer for having your perspective. You never know In time, perseverance and experience could possibly rank you with the other “journalistic kingpins.” If not already achieved in your private life.

          Your innate ability of keen understanding both listening and more importantly understanding all sides will serve you well.

          You may have answered your own question about complaints reaching Apple ears. Certainly contact them and note the response in your article. Afterwards, we all keep an eye on the sky for future movement.

          “disdain for the judgement of common people”

          Well Steve, this common folk living in a high elevation green mountain small town was common enough to recognize your brilliance and saved enough to buy your wares. I absolutely despise elitism.

          Anyhoo, wish you the best and as the gals around my high school reunion are fond of saying, “you go girl!.” … 🙂👍🏻

        3. Well, thanks. The New Yorker rejected my cat poem, so I doubt they would like anything else I wrote. That magazine loves cats and over the years has published poems about them and even cover illustrations. But me, I’m not ironic enough. Damned elitists!

          Maybe I misspoke when I claimed that Steve didn’t trust the judgement of common people. What I meant was that he didn’t believe in focus groups, which attempt to find out what people want. He was like Henry Ford, who knew without asking that common people, lacking the imagination of the entrepreneur, wanted a faster horse. You can’t blame farmers for not seeing into the future of John Deere tractors. When the tractors did arrive, they were suitably impressed. I suppose all common folk are from Missouri – you have to show ’em.

        4. “But me, I’m not ironic enough. Damned elitists!”

          Amen. Yes, damn the elitists!

          Coming from humble backcountry roots I have worked stints in NYC, Los Angeles and worked in Washington D.C. for 12 years.

          The elitist count is astronomical in those places. And they could learn a LOT from the wisdom of the common man they are so quick to dismiss.

          I would not give up on New Yorker writing projects if I were you. The quality of writing is undoubtedly is superb.

          Possibly you picked a pet topic, pun intended, and ran into the fierce guarded status quo. Just a guess, of course. Try other topics that are not near and dear to the old guard. Then you will truly learn if the irony thing is a reality.

          If you give it another shot — hood luck, Herself …

  10. Has anyone noticed that the dimensions stated in the article are really the diagonal screen measurements and not actual width of the various phone models. The width measurements differ much less (iP4 and iP5S both = 2 5/16” and the iPhone X = 2 -3/16” — 1/2” difference in actual width). I upgraded from the 5S to the X last year for the upgraded internal components and not because of screen size. Yes, the previous smaller widths were easier to use one-handed, but the myriad of internal improvements (more fluid voice to text recognition with almost instant transcription and much fewer errors, much better camera and video quality, higher storage capacity overall, improvements to iOS, etc.) have more than made up for the inconvenience of the 1/2” increased width for my usage needs. If Apple ever offered a phone with a smaller form factor with up-to-date or relatively up-to-date internals, I would buy it as my next phone upgrade. If not, however, for those wishing to upgrade who still prefer a phone with the smallest possible width dimension, the X or X-body equivalent may do the job for you as it has done for me!

    1. Correct about the X-width. But it does address the point of the article about the discontinue of smaller form factor phones that Apple sold for every single day of iPhone existence until last Wednesday…

    2. I think we can all agree that the iPhone Xs is the smallest up-to-date phone on the market (and one of the two best absolutely). However, it is still too big for many pockets, too wide for a significant number of hands, and around $800 more expensive than the street price for an SE. An SE2 with IPhone 8 specs (and about that price) in a small package could still make more money for Apple than the IPhone 7 will this year.

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