“A POWER DINNER — SPOTTED: Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump eating last night at downtown hotspot Tosca [in Washington, DC] with Apple’s CEO Tim Cook and Lisa Jackson,” Jake Sherman reports for Politico.
“Jackson, the former administrator of the EPA, is Apple’s vice president of environment, policy and social initiatives,” Sherman reports. “She is also on the board of the Clinton Foundation.”
“The dinner suggests that Apple’s political outreach, previously focused on the Democratic Party, has shifted in the early days of the Trump administration,” Yahoo Finance reports.
“Jackson is on the board of the Clinton Foundation and has communicated with Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman, John Podesta, according to Podesta’s stolen emails published by WikiLeaks,” Yahoo Finance reports. “Jackson also helped put together and attended Cook’s fundraiser for Clinton in August, seats at which were at least $2,700.”
According to Investor’s Business Daily, the Clinton Foundation is firing its staffers and “closing its offices, a result of the gusher of foreign money that kept the foundation afloat suddenly drying up after Hillary Clinton failed to win the presidency.”
Trump has hired people that believe in conversion therapy- Pence is one of them. Trump himself has said he doesn’t believe in marriage equality . this is bs. just pandering as usual
In all fairness, Trump did at one moment say that the “Marriage equality is settled law”, which would imply that he won’t pursue legal challenges to the right of gays to marry.
What he really thinks is another thing altogether.
Oh please….if anyone is trying to start WWIII it was Obama putting troops in and around Russia like in Poland! The anti-Trump bull needs to go away, he won get over it! Give him a chance as he is getting things done on a daily bases and wants to do good for everyone as he said. The media keeps twisting his words and makes up stories on one or two words out of his whole speeches and are so biased for the left. Again he wants to get things done for all Americans, so lets hope he keeps to his promises. So far he is and pushing forward every single day far beyond any past presidents in this time frame!
Oh man, do you think Obama just woke up one morning and decided to do that? Or do you think it’s because the NATO members that border Russia, such as Poland and the Baltic States, are fed up of seeing the Russian Military intentionally crossing their borders, kidnapping NATO officers from NATO territory, and performing “exercises” in areas that allow Russian troops to mass right next to neighbouring countries?
But no, it’s all Obama’s fault isn’t it? Couldn’t possibly be anything else……
Trump has gotten more done in his first few days in office then Obama did in 8 years.
I haven seen anything to me says trump is any more anti gay or any different then anyone else. Just because he doesn’t pander to them and also supports pro lifters doesn’t mean he’s anti gay.
People in this country have been growing increasingly fed up with the overbearing, arrogant, holier-than-thou, rub-your-nose-in-the-dirt establishment media. Never in history had the MSM banded so tightly together with the single goal and aim in mind of completely destroying one man’s political campaign. They were relentless and ruthless. They truly used every dastardly, duplicitous, and devilish trick in the book to defeat Trump. And, for once, the American people completely saw through it. (well some still can’t get their head out of their butt that the person who they were told would lose actually won. )
As to your MSM claims, studies prove that Trump received more (and more neutral to favorable) coverage than any other candidate. So, don’t give me this concerted-effort bullshit. The media, if anything, failed the American people by not fully exposing this psychopath.
Yes, it is most certainly the party of
higher intelligence is the one who doesn’t have the facts. 🙄 Or are only “alternative facts” allowable now? You scared, reactionary, small-minded people would be the downfall of this country if we weren’t here to balance out your cold-hearted insanity.
No matter, Tim would be more interested in checking out Jared anyway.
“When old age shall this generation waste,
Thou shalt remain, in midst of other woe
Than ours, a friend to man, to whom thou say’st,
‘Beauty is truth, truth beauty,—that is all
Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.’
Are you saying she is truth, then?
(assuming your previous comment was sarcastic, of course)
What do you care what I am saying?
What does anyone care what you are saying?
Childish, I wouldn’t be suprised if she doesn’t become the first women president. She really is a beautiful women. I bet you think Hillary and Chelsea are good looking women.
I hope he gave rumplethinskin a replacement for his insecure android phone… and I hope Tim explained the JIT supply chain that does not require warehousing and how messing with trade policy could completely bolix this and add huge cost to our iPhones.
Trump’s meeting with the wrong guy. He could, in one stroke, have Tim leave as CEO just by ignoring him and picking someone new to lead Apple. Wasting his time.
True, all the hate in the world has been gobbled-up by libtärd leftists from Dumbfückistan….like you!
Wow, so much hate!
I don’t understand why you are so angry. Trump won. You should be so happy, but instead you come here and politivomit all over the screen..
I’m not angry at all, you’re the one constantly nagging…like an old woman.
Hmmm, I wonder if Botvinnick can reply without insulting anyone…
I take this as encouraging, as Ivanka is the only one associated with this administration that seems to have any environmental concern whatsoever. If she can be one voice of reason in Trump’s ear, it should be encouraged.
On a broader scale, government relations is important for a company as large as Apple no matter who is in the white house. As a shareholder, I would be concerned if Apple management wasn’t talking to the administration.
Don’t mind Cook talking to the Trumps but why is he bringing a major Democrat and the head of Apple’s ‘social initiatives’?
Doesn’t Apple have more pressing issues with the new Trump initiatives than ‘social’ ?
Shouldn’t he be bringing Apple’s Global Marketing head (look at import from China problems) , or Senior Legal Counsel (see Ireland EU and the Qualcomm business where Conservatives are siding with Qualcomm). As I’ve said before and got constantly flamed is that Cook seems to be believe ‘the major PRODUCT of Apple’ is making Apple into a ‘social organization’ , y’know like GreenPeace instead of the top TECH PRODUCT company in the world (like Steve Jobs).
If Elon Musk was sitting down with Trumps do you think he will bring in his ‘head of Social Initiatives’?
(yeah the meeting could be strictly ‘no business’ scheduled type but at least Ivanka should be INTRODUCED to more key players at Apple than ‘head of social initiatives’ ? )
Apple is wise to engage in these social missions, as small things like saving the planet end up being good for business as well.
As to engaging on issues like the Qualcomm case, Chinese import problems, etc…I think there may have been huge ethical concerns if Trump had used this dinner in that manner.
Now Apple may have lobbyists to do this to lawmakers, but entirely inappropriate for this very public dinner.
“as small things like saving the planet end up being good for business as well.”
maybe…
but if you had a Roofing company that said it was ‘Green’ but made roofs that LEAKED would YOU still buy their product? Don’t think so. (contrary to urban legend being ‘green, social’ actually doesn’t count for much among consumers, GOOD PRODUCTS is what counts)
NO CUSTOMERS CARE ABOUT ‘SOCIAL’ IF THE PRODUCTS SUCK.
FIRST THING FIX YOUR PRODUCTS, LOOK to your BUSINESS BEFORE GOING ‘SOCIAL’.
for EXAMPLE:
Right now the Mac Pro has not been updated for 4 years. The GPU in them (and that in the newest touchbar MBP) are 3-5 times slower than mid range PC desktop video cards . The price with it’s outdated components has not dropped for 4 years either.
How many pro Mac users are going to buy the 4 year not updated Cylinder (at the same price) NO MATTER HOW they Admire TCs social stand?
talking about Mac Pros:
Many pros have invested a lot, some hundreds of thousands into the Pro eco system which Apple marketing has pushed for years (remember the Photoshop shootouts Apple used to have with Macs vs PCs? and how hard they pushed the MP cylinder? ). So is ABANDONING these Apple consumers (who like i said listened to Apple’s marketing spiel ) ETHICAL? So what’s the point of BETRAYING your customers and then say you’re so socially conscious ? Caring for OUTSIDE minorities but NOT caring about minorities (like Pro users) who are CUSTOMERS is hypocrisy.
I am one of those Pro users (right now trying to upgrade another 7 year old Cheese Grater MP with a PC video card because i can’t upgrade a Cylinder ) , every time I hear TC is ‘so socially conscious, so ethical’ I GET PISSED OFF like here. To me it’s hypocrisy BS.
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FIX you BUSINESS you are IN first. Like I said Apple is a TECH company , not a social organization like GREEN PEACE.
besides Macs, iPad sales have FALLEN for 8-9 straight quarters and is now HALF it’s PEAK SALES.
ALSO:
If Apple stock had the PE of Google/Alphabet the stock would be worth 300+ and NOT 100+ now. Surely your stock valuation ONE THIRD your tech peer is more concern than ‘social’ ?
What bringing the “head of social initiatives” to a rare meeting with a Trump shows to me is that TC’s passion and focus are not those pressing Apple problems but his social concerns.
as for “inappropriate for dinner ” what’s my statement so hard to understand : “yeah the meeting could be strictly ‘no business’ scheduled type but at least Ivanka should be INTRODUCED to more key players at Apple than ‘head of social initiatives’ “.
DON’T TALK BUSINESS FINE, INTRODUCE THE PEOPLE like head of Legal they can do small talk,(so that Ivanka knows them NEXT TIME when he lobbies ). I seriously don’t think a hard headed businesswoman like Ivanka would be put off having dinner with a lawyer…
Except your thesis that Apple makes bad products is totally wrong, and consumers disagree with you.
Apple is not perfect, so there products will never be perfect, just like every other company. Someone will always be able to criticize, esp. by suggesting what could/should be, without having to live in the world of business reality, where costs/margins/manufacturing/logistics, etc realities enter into play.
But Apple has an exceptional product lineup, and apparently a whole lot of customers are very happy with it, because last I saw Apple was making boatloads of money and is very profitable. Customers have voted and they say that Apple products are great.
” Apple makes bad products is totally wrong, ”
go read my post again. I’m arguing (in the Apple example) that people don’t buy things like 4 year old MPs without a drop in price regardless of how they might support social initiatives. The Cylinder was not necessarily a ‘bad’ product either IN 2013 but today compared to others like PCs with upgraded GPUs it IS.
I’m not saying all Apple stuff is bad either, but any long time Apple follower (I’ve used Apple products for over 20 years, personally I have Mac Pros, 12.0 iPad Pro, MBP and a aapl shareholder ) will realize there are a LOT more hardware, retail, stock issues etc issues with Apple today than under Jobs. Jobs wasn’t perfect but the conditions today is obviously much worse and people would agree unless they have their heads in the sand. Numerous commentators including ex- senior Apple employees, long time Apple watchers including Ken Segall who is Jony Ive’s biographer, etc have been complaining.
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Ken Segall (who knew Jobs personally and was at Apple):
“Steve Jobs didn’t judge people solely on the quality of their work. He also put a high value on time — and wasting time was an unforgivable sin…..
(Segall then writes a large section on problems with the current Mac Line)
… I think it’s up to Apple to explain “what they’ve been doing all these years. (since Jobs passed on)
In days of old, when Steve expressed that bit of displeasure, people would work around the clock to fix things, as if their jobs depend on it. Which was a pretty good assessment of reality.
Apple’s rise from the ashes has been powered by its ability to fire on all cylinders at once. Today at least a few cylinders seem to be sputtering.”
(note Segall is a big big Apple fan, and makes money writing books etc about Apple )
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Add that (and I can show a lot more third party comments similar) to my long comments on the thread and you can see that Apple has LOT of problems and CEO shouldn’t be so OBSESSIVELY FOCUSED on social initiatives (note I’m not arguing that social is bad, I’m saying putting so much effort into it, almost as if the MAIN focus of Apple is social like I said a social org like GreenPeace is misguided, besides the CEO being distracted from being LASER FOCUSED on products this obsessiveness on social also I believe confuses the staff on what is the real mission of Apple which is products (seriously how can they release the Apple TV Remote?).
In near every metric, falling Mac sales (when it surpassed PC for years in the past), iPads falling like I said to HALF peak sales, Apple dropping from significant position in EDUCATION (a major market) to 10% while Chromebooks going to 50+ plus and rising. numerous product delays, slowing growth etc Apple is performing below Steve Job’s time. (Some SVPs like Eddy Cue have sold almost ALL their stock. this is not just for expenses etc but liquidation).
as for Apple earning boatloads of money (most of that comes from products developed by Jobs: iPhone, Mac, iPad. Macs btw make TWICE the revenues of the Other products category that includes Watch, Apple TV accessories like headphones, iPod etc. ) Also Money goes into the realm of finances and primarily of concern to shareholders and you contention that that is rosy have already blown out of the water as I’ve said the share valuation (PE) is one third googles in spite of TC spending near 100 billion on buybacks, dividends etc to boost the stock. Stock valuation is due primarily due to FAITH of the big investors and they don’t have faith as the see like i stated all of the real money earners were made by Jobs, and the dangerous concentration on ONE product iPhone while neglecting diversity like Mac.
Also I need to mention lots of people also see SVPs losing focus: Coffee Table books, Christmas Trees, designing furniture for charities, fashion shows like the Apple sponsored Met Gala, years to make such great and complicated (/s) TV dramas like six episodes of “sex filled romp of Dr Dre’s life” (the development seems longer than Game of Thrones) . (Meanwhile you have macs not updated for 4 years. What’s this you said about : “costs/margins/manufacturing/logistics, etc realities enter into play.” ??? can you tell me the cost, margins etc of some of those things? We don’t worry about cost margins for those stuff but we do for Macs? so this is the NEW Apple ? No wonder SVPs are selling all their stock.
The meeting wasn’t with the President, but with his daughter. Ms. Trump has taken an informal role as the lead on social issues within her father’s inner circle. She has nothing to do with anything remotely related to Apple global marketing or legal. Bringing tech boffins to dinner would be a complete waste of her time. Bringing the Apple social initiatives lead is right up her alley. There are many social issues where both Apple and the Trump Administration can enhance their respective brands though coordinated action. It may not be apparent to some of you, but most of the Trump family have spent most of their lives in circles (Ivy League colleges and Manhattan cocktail parties) where social responsibility is taken for granted as a modern noblesse oblige. They aren’t all caricatures of Gordon Gecko. It is an area where Apple and the Administration might find common ground.
“She has nothing to do with anything remotely related to Apple global marketing or legal”
She ran a bunch of her own businesses, was on the board of Hedge Funds and was Executive Vice President of Development & Acquisitions at the Trump Organization”.
besides everything Naxon is saying just supposed everything you (TXuser) is saying is correct , that hard headed businesswoman and Jared Kushner (big time real estate developer) is PURELY interested in social issues and they want a sit down to discuss these things… :
ASK YOURSELF WHY THE F IS TIM COOK KNOWN AS THE GO TO PERSON FOR SOCIAL ISSUES?
how did he get this reputation?
do you think they would call the head of some corporation like Ford etc to discuss social to formulate the admins social policies? Do you think people would have called Steve Jobs to discuss ‘social’?
Tim Cook should be KNOWN AS A GURU OF TECH not freaking social initiatives. (again I say I am NOT against social activities — I am a social liberal myself — but as my long posts above show Apple is NOT HEALTHY like under Jobs.. There are NUMEROUS UNRESOLVED ISSUES including the fact that the fastest GPU Mac you can get today is an updated SEVEN YEAR OLD — 2010 model – Cheese Grater MP, stock one third the PE of it’s peers after 100 billion in buybacks, dividends, sinking Education share etc, etc like I listed above — Apple is accelerating in the wrong way). If you are right and they are there purely as a meal to discuss social and TC is KNOWN AS THE GO TO GUY FOR SOCIAL (when there are so many Apple problems) , I say it’s sad day for Apple and Tech. If TC feels in his heart he’s more a social activist then Tech Product Guru and wants to run a social org. go run (like I said) some GreenPeace type thing and not a public listed beholden to shareholders Tech company. Please.
… and if you say it was not ivanka or Jared’s agenda for social i.e they did not think of TC as “Guru of Social” and it was TC’s agenda, then it goes back to my first point why they heck did TC bring head of “social initiatives” when there are so many pressing issues ?
and TX user WHAT IS THE USE OF Tim Cook PUSHING SOCIAL WHEN IT IS HYPOCRISY?
like I said above:
“Many pros have invested a lot, some hundreds of thousands into the Pro eco system which Apple marketing has pushed for years (remember the Photoshop shootouts Apple used to have with Macs vs PCs? and how hard they pushed the MP cylinder? ). So is ABANDONING these Apple consumers (who like i said listened to Apple’s marketing spiel ) ETHICAL? So what’s the point of BETRAYING your customers and then say you’re so socially conscious ? Caring for OUTSIDE minorities but NOT caring about minorities (like Pro users) who are CUSTOMERS is hypocrisy.
I am one of those Pro users (right now trying to upgrade another 7 year old Cheese Grater MP – the 2010 model is the last Cheese G. model – with a PC video card because i can’t upgrade a Cylinder ) , every time I hear TC is ‘so socially conscious, so ethical’ I GET PISSED OFF like here. To me it’s hypocrisy BS.”
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(a person thinking he is ‘good’ as he is a ‘third party’ activist while not caring about his customers is delusional )
TC made the MP non GPU upgradable, has not updated it, has not dropped the price and has not given any clue about timeline or whether it is discontinued (do we spend thousands on hardware software to switch to Windows and retrain staff etc ? ) — some people’s business/ livelihoods depend on these things.
fix the machines for pros that have invested a lot into the eco system before doing secondary and actually mostly non Apple related social stuff.
Has it occurred to any of you that it might have been Ms. Trump and Mr. Kushner who initiated the meeting and set its agenda? I rather doubt that Tim Cook has the leverage to force anybody in the Administration to discuss any subject that they don’t want to talk about.
As we all agree, Ms. Trump is a genius at promoting her brand and her family’s brand. Might it be that she sees advantages to their brand allying itself with Apple on issues that can make both sides look good?
By some measures, Apple is the most influential non-governmental entity on the planet. The United States Government, by any measure, is the most influential entity, period. I think that they both have the resources to attend to other pressing issues without totally ignoring social responsibility.
Obviously, Ayn Rand devotees will disagree with the proposition that social responsibility is a good thing, but many people disagree. That includes many in the 54% of the electorate who voted against Mr. Trump and the 45% of the eligible citizens who did not vote at all. As far as I can tell, Mr. Kushner and Ms. Trump (along with the President’s Chief of Staff) are among the voices within the Administration who are trying to bridge the gap and bring the country together by appealing to that majority of non-Trump voters on issues where both sides can agree.
“Has it occurred to any of you that it might have been Ms. Trump and Mr. Kushner who initiated the meeting and set its agenda? ”
did you read my posts?
like I said if the Trumps set the agenda why is it that THEY CHOSE TC TO DISCUSS THESE THINGS? , How did TC get that reputation unless he spent an inordinate amount of time on social stuff ( in spite of plethora of Apple problems that don’t get attention ).
here again as you obviously didn’t read what I’ wrote above:
“ASK YOURSELF WHY THE F IS TIM COOK KNOWN AS THE GO TO PERSON FOR SOCIAL ISSUES?
how did he get this reputation?
do you think they would call the head of some corporation like Ford etc to discuss social to formulate the admins social policies? Do you think people would have called Steve Jobs to discuss ‘social’?”
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My last line there : would they have called Steve Jobs if Ivanka, Kushner had set the agenda for discussing social issues? Can’t you see how Apple has lost its way from Jobs laser focus on products, customer satisfaction, innovation etc? Jobs did not even want to celebrate Apple’s 30th anniversary because he said he was laser focused on future products. He didn’t want Apple to be heavily involved in charities ( although he and his wife did charity work privately), Apple only matched staffers contributions (this to stop management from THINKING about which charities to contribute to etc).
I’m not going to repeat everything on Apple problems now etc. go read my posts again.
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I don’t really care about the Trumps or the Kushners, (I’ve lost all my faith in politicians long ago) what I care about as both a pro user and a shareholder is Apple . Apple is in Trouble in many areas (like I said read my posts) so why is Cook so involved in Social? I’ll rather he be known as a TECH GURU. One more time if he’s so concerned quit and join a social org. , as Apple CEO I expect him to put priority first on what is Apple : A Tech Public Listed Company (i.e his priorities are Consumers and Shareholders).
BTW, Snopes has debunked the story about the Clinton Foundation closing.
The Foundation is alive and well. The Clinton Global Initiative, only one part of that, is phasing out, as was announced last August, before any election result.
The Clinton Global Initiative is part of the foundation. Bill Clinton started CGI in 2005. In contrast to other parts of the organization, it doesn’t fund or manage projects, or handle any of the money involved. Instead, it’s like the OKCupid of the charity world, matching funders with good causes.
So the idea that the Clinton Foundation is closing is one of those “alternative facts” …lies…that the far right loves to indulge in.
Nope, you are wrong again, just like you were with the QComm case.
Re of what you think about Snopes, the facts I cited were true re the CGI and the Clinton Foundation. You have nothing to counter so you result to childish insults.
The Facts: You marxist, globalist cocksückers lost The White House, The Senate, The House, The Supreme Court, The Governorships and The State Houses…now ask yourself why.
Why, because 64 million Americans were either:
a) Never going to vote for a female Democrat or
b) Deceived by a smooth-talking snake oil salesman.
You lost and you will continue to lose, you’ve been rejected, the sleeping giant has awakened.
Wow, I can really see why you are such a Trumpkin.
There’s FAKE from the left and FAKE from the right. That’s one reason I have no use for either Democrats or Republicans. Both are corrupt, deceitful, puppeted, ANTI-representative of We The People and worthless.
New parties please! More than just Green and Libertarian would be nice!
I am not outraged any more. Having destroyed the company that he inherited, this man is shamelessly trying to save his job with help from the evil forces that have taken hold of our country. I cannot wait for the day when the Apple Board fires him!
In my conversations with officials here in Washington this week, I’ve made it clear that Apple believes deeply in the importance of immigration — both to our company and to our nation’s future. Apple would not exist without immigration, let alone thrive and innovate the way we do.
I’ve heard from many of you who are deeply concerned about the executive order issued yesterday restricting immigration from seven Muslim-majority countries. I share your concerns. It is not a policy we support.
There are employees at Apple who are directly affected by yesterday’s immigration order. Our HR, Legal and Security teams are in contact with them, and Apple will do everything we can to support them. We’re providing resources on AppleWeb for anyone with questions or concerns about immigration policies. And we have reached out to the White House to explain the negative effect on our coworkers and our company.
As I’ve said many times, diversity makes our team stronger. And if there’s one thing I know about the people at Apple, it’s the depth of our empathy and support for one another. It’s as important now as it’s ever been, and it will not weaken one bit. I know I can count on all of you to make sure everyone at Apple feels welcome, respected and valued.
Apple is open. Open to everyone, no matter where they come from, which language they speak, who they love or how they worship. Our employees represent the finest talent in the world, and our team hails from every corner of the globe.
In the words of Dr. Martin Luther King, “We may have all come on different ships, but we are in the same boat now.”
Apple, why are you doing this to us? Trump is a major homophobe who is trying to start World War III! Please don’t enable the Orange One!
This is the view of people who get their fake news from corporate news.
Don’t be “these people”. Don’t be an ignorant sheep.
You lie.
Trump has hired people that believe in conversion therapy- Pence is one of them. Trump himself has said he doesn’t believe in marriage equality . this is bs. just pandering as usual
In all fairness, Trump did at one moment say that the “Marriage equality is settled law”, which would imply that he won’t pursue legal challenges to the right of gays to marry.
What he really thinks is another thing altogether.
Oh please….if anyone is trying to start WWIII it was Obama putting troops in and around Russia like in Poland! The anti-Trump bull needs to go away, he won get over it! Give him a chance as he is getting things done on a daily bases and wants to do good for everyone as he said. The media keeps twisting his words and makes up stories on one or two words out of his whole speeches and are so biased for the left. Again he wants to get things done for all Americans, so lets hope he keeps to his promises. So far he is and pushing forward every single day far beyond any past presidents in this time frame!
The Poles and the Baltic States are not going back to mother Russia, and they are the ones want NATO….
Well, not EVERYONE 🙂
Oh man, do you think Obama just woke up one morning and decided to do that? Or do you think it’s because the NATO members that border Russia, such as Poland and the Baltic States, are fed up of seeing the Russian Military intentionally crossing their borders, kidnapping NATO officers from NATO territory, and performing “exercises” in areas that allow Russian troops to mass right next to neighbouring countries?
But no, it’s all Obama’s fault isn’t it? Couldn’t possibly be anything else……
Trump has gotten more done in his first few days in office then Obama did in 8 years.
I haven seen anything to me says trump is any more anti gay or any different then anyone else. Just because he doesn’t pander to them and also supports pro lifters doesn’t mean he’s anti gay.
People in this country have been growing increasingly fed up with the overbearing, arrogant, holier-than-thou, rub-your-nose-in-the-dirt establishment media. Never in history had the MSM banded so tightly together with the single goal and aim in mind of completely destroying one man’s political campaign. They were relentless and ruthless. They truly used every dastardly, duplicitous, and devilish trick in the book to defeat Trump. And, for once, the American people completely saw through it. (well some still can’t get their head out of their butt that the person who they were told would lose actually won. )
I’m glad that Trump supports pro lifters, but what does that have to do with LGBTQ (alt-sex) issues?
More in 8 days, eh? You people are hilarious.
As to your MSM claims, studies prove that Trump received more (and more neutral to favorable) coverage than any other candidate. So, don’t give me this concerted-effort bullshit. The media, if anything, failed the American people by not fully exposing this psychopath.
The 80’s called, they want their putrid diatribe chant from obnoxious, fact less, tree hugging Liberals back!
Yes, it is most certainly the party of
higher intelligence is the one who doesn’t have the facts. 🙄 Or are only “alternative facts” allowable now? You scared, reactionary, small-minded people would be the downfall of this country if we weren’t here to balance out your cold-hearted insanity.
Cook is only interested in one incompetent person… himself!
He is self-centered, narrow-minded, lazy, greedy, ridiculously incompetent, and unfortunately still the CEO of Apple.
The sooner they boot this clown, the better off Apple will be.
amen.
And you could do the job? No, you couldn’t. Don’t even need to meet you to know that. Just your hyperbolic rhetoric is enough to know.
Please, Tim. Don’t sell out. He must have been on some heavy duty narcotics to endure That meeting.
Yeah, that Ivanka is really ugly.
Are you saying that her value is tied to her appearance?
No matter, Tim would be more interested in checking out Jared anyway.
“When old age shall this generation waste,
Thou shalt remain, in midst of other woe
Than ours, a friend to man, to whom thou say’st,
‘Beauty is truth, truth beauty,—that is all
Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.’
Are you saying she is truth, then?
(assuming your previous comment was sarcastic, of course)
What do you care what I am saying?
What does anyone care what you are saying?
Childish, I wouldn’t be suprised if she doesn’t become the first women president. She really is a beautiful women. I bet you think Hillary and Chelsea are good looking women.
I hope he gave rumplethinskin a replacement for his insecure android phone… and I hope Tim explained the JIT supply chain that does not require warehousing and how messing with trade policy could completely bolix this and add huge cost to our iPhones.
Libtards would call that the “Toxic Dinner”
Trump’s meeting with the wrong guy. He could, in one stroke, have Tim leave as CEO just by ignoring him and picking someone new to lead Apple. Wasting his time.
Who do you have in mind for Apple new CEO?.
Scott Forstall!
uh, presidents do not appoint CEO’s of private enterprises in America…I hate to say it, but you’re “wrong again.”
I really doubt that you hated to say that.
True, all the hate in the world has been gobbled-up by libtärd leftists from Dumbfückistan….like you!
Wow, so much hate!
I don’t understand why you are so angry. Trump won. You should be so happy, but instead you come here and politivomit all over the screen..
I’m not angry at all, you’re the one constantly nagging…like an old woman.
Hmmm, I wonder if Botvinnick can reply without insulting anyone…
I take this as encouraging, as Ivanka is the only one associated with this administration that seems to have any environmental concern whatsoever. If she can be one voice of reason in Trump’s ear, it should be encouraged.
On a broader scale, government relations is important for a company as large as Apple no matter who is in the white house. As a shareholder, I would be concerned if Apple management wasn’t talking to the administration.
Don’t mind Cook talking to the Trumps but why is he bringing a major Democrat and the head of Apple’s ‘social initiatives’?
Doesn’t Apple have more pressing issues with the new Trump initiatives than ‘social’ ?
Shouldn’t he be bringing Apple’s Global Marketing head (look at import from China problems) , or Senior Legal Counsel (see Ireland EU and the Qualcomm business where Conservatives are siding with Qualcomm). As I’ve said before and got constantly flamed is that Cook seems to be believe ‘the major PRODUCT of Apple’ is making Apple into a ‘social organization’ , y’know like GreenPeace instead of the top TECH PRODUCT company in the world (like Steve Jobs).
If Elon Musk was sitting down with Trumps do you think he will bring in his ‘head of Social Initiatives’?
(yeah the meeting could be strictly ‘no business’ scheduled type but at least Ivanka should be INTRODUCED to more key players at Apple than ‘head of social initiatives’ ? )
Apple is wise to engage in these social missions, as small things like saving the planet end up being good for business as well.
As to engaging on issues like the Qualcomm case, Chinese import problems, etc…I think there may have been huge ethical concerns if Trump had used this dinner in that manner.
Now Apple may have lobbyists to do this to lawmakers, but entirely inappropriate for this very public dinner.
“as small things like saving the planet end up being good for business as well.”
maybe…
but if you had a Roofing company that said it was ‘Green’ but made roofs that LEAKED would YOU still buy their product? Don’t think so. (contrary to urban legend being ‘green, social’ actually doesn’t count for much among consumers, GOOD PRODUCTS is what counts)
NO CUSTOMERS CARE ABOUT ‘SOCIAL’ IF THE PRODUCTS SUCK.
FIRST THING FIX YOUR PRODUCTS, LOOK to your BUSINESS BEFORE GOING ‘SOCIAL’.
for EXAMPLE:
Right now the Mac Pro has not been updated for 4 years. The GPU in them (and that in the newest touchbar MBP) are 3-5 times slower than mid range PC desktop video cards . The price with it’s outdated components has not dropped for 4 years either.
How many pro Mac users are going to buy the 4 year not updated Cylinder (at the same price) NO MATTER HOW they Admire TCs social stand?
talking about Mac Pros:
Many pros have invested a lot, some hundreds of thousands into the Pro eco system which Apple marketing has pushed for years (remember the Photoshop shootouts Apple used to have with Macs vs PCs? and how hard they pushed the MP cylinder? ). So is ABANDONING these Apple consumers (who like i said listened to Apple’s marketing spiel ) ETHICAL? So what’s the point of BETRAYING your customers and then say you’re so socially conscious ? Caring for OUTSIDE minorities but NOT caring about minorities (like Pro users) who are CUSTOMERS is hypocrisy.
I am one of those Pro users (right now trying to upgrade another 7 year old Cheese Grater MP with a PC video card because i can’t upgrade a Cylinder ) , every time I hear TC is ‘so socially conscious, so ethical’ I GET PISSED OFF like here. To me it’s hypocrisy BS.
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FIX you BUSINESS you are IN first. Like I said Apple is a TECH company , not a social organization like GREEN PEACE.
besides Macs, iPad sales have FALLEN for 8-9 straight quarters and is now HALF it’s PEAK SALES.
ALSO:
If Apple stock had the PE of Google/Alphabet the stock would be worth 300+ and NOT 100+ now. Surely your stock valuation ONE THIRD your tech peer is more concern than ‘social’ ?
What bringing the “head of social initiatives” to a rare meeting with a Trump shows to me is that TC’s passion and focus are not those pressing Apple problems but his social concerns.
as for “inappropriate for dinner ” what’s my statement so hard to understand : “yeah the meeting could be strictly ‘no business’ scheduled type but at least Ivanka should be INTRODUCED to more key players at Apple than ‘head of social initiatives’ “.
DON’T TALK BUSINESS FINE, INTRODUCE THE PEOPLE like head of Legal they can do small talk,(so that Ivanka knows them NEXT TIME when he lobbies ). I seriously don’t think a hard headed businesswoman like Ivanka would be put off having dinner with a lawyer…
Except your thesis that Apple makes bad products is totally wrong, and consumers disagree with you.
Apple is not perfect, so there products will never be perfect, just like every other company. Someone will always be able to criticize, esp. by suggesting what could/should be, without having to live in the world of business reality, where costs/margins/manufacturing/logistics, etc realities enter into play.
But Apple has an exceptional product lineup, and apparently a whole lot of customers are very happy with it, because last I saw Apple was making boatloads of money and is very profitable. Customers have voted and they say that Apple products are great.
” Apple makes bad products is totally wrong, ”
go read my post again. I’m arguing (in the Apple example) that people don’t buy things like 4 year old MPs without a drop in price regardless of how they might support social initiatives. The Cylinder was not necessarily a ‘bad’ product either IN 2013 but today compared to others like PCs with upgraded GPUs it IS.
I’m not saying all Apple stuff is bad either, but any long time Apple follower (I’ve used Apple products for over 20 years, personally I have Mac Pros, 12.0 iPad Pro, MBP and a aapl shareholder ) will realize there are a LOT more hardware, retail, stock issues etc issues with Apple today than under Jobs. Jobs wasn’t perfect but the conditions today is obviously much worse and people would agree unless they have their heads in the sand. Numerous commentators including ex- senior Apple employees, long time Apple watchers including Ken Segall who is Jony Ive’s biographer, etc have been complaining.
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Ken Segall (who knew Jobs personally and was at Apple):
“Steve Jobs didn’t judge people solely on the quality of their work. He also put a high value on time — and wasting time was an unforgivable sin…..
(Segall then writes a large section on problems with the current Mac Line)
… I think it’s up to Apple to explain “what they’ve been doing all these years. (since Jobs passed on)
In days of old, when Steve expressed that bit of displeasure, people would work around the clock to fix things, as if their jobs depend on it. Which was a pretty good assessment of reality.
Apple’s rise from the ashes has been powered by its ability to fire on all cylinders at once. Today at least a few cylinders seem to be sputtering.”
(note Segall is a big big Apple fan, and makes money writing books etc about Apple )
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Add that (and I can show a lot more third party comments similar) to my long comments on the thread and you can see that Apple has LOT of problems and CEO shouldn’t be so OBSESSIVELY FOCUSED on social initiatives (note I’m not arguing that social is bad, I’m saying putting so much effort into it, almost as if the MAIN focus of Apple is social like I said a social org like GreenPeace is misguided, besides the CEO being distracted from being LASER FOCUSED on products this obsessiveness on social also I believe confuses the staff on what is the real mission of Apple which is products (seriously how can they release the Apple TV Remote?).
In near every metric, falling Mac sales (when it surpassed PC for years in the past), iPads falling like I said to HALF peak sales, Apple dropping from significant position in EDUCATION (a major market) to 10% while Chromebooks going to 50+ plus and rising. numerous product delays, slowing growth etc Apple is performing below Steve Job’s time. (Some SVPs like Eddy Cue have sold almost ALL their stock. this is not just for expenses etc but liquidation).
as for Apple earning boatloads of money (most of that comes from products developed by Jobs: iPhone, Mac, iPad. Macs btw make TWICE the revenues of the Other products category that includes Watch, Apple TV accessories like headphones, iPod etc. ) Also Money goes into the realm of finances and primarily of concern to shareholders and you contention that that is rosy have already blown out of the water as I’ve said the share valuation (PE) is one third googles in spite of TC spending near 100 billion on buybacks, dividends etc to boost the stock. Stock valuation is due primarily due to FAITH of the big investors and they don’t have faith as the see like i stated all of the real money earners were made by Jobs, and the dangerous concentration on ONE product iPhone while neglecting diversity like Mac.
Also I need to mention lots of people also see SVPs losing focus: Coffee Table books, Christmas Trees, designing furniture for charities, fashion shows like the Apple sponsored Met Gala, years to make such great and complicated (/s) TV dramas like six episodes of “sex filled romp of Dr Dre’s life” (the development seems longer than Game of Thrones) . (Meanwhile you have macs not updated for 4 years. What’s this you said about : “costs/margins/manufacturing/logistics, etc realities enter into play.” ??? can you tell me the cost, margins etc of some of those things? We don’t worry about cost margins for those stuff but we do for Macs? so this is the NEW Apple ? No wonder SVPs are selling all their stock.
The meeting wasn’t with the President, but with his daughter. Ms. Trump has taken an informal role as the lead on social issues within her father’s inner circle. She has nothing to do with anything remotely related to Apple global marketing or legal. Bringing tech boffins to dinner would be a complete waste of her time. Bringing the Apple social initiatives lead is right up her alley. There are many social issues where both Apple and the Trump Administration can enhance their respective brands though coordinated action. It may not be apparent to some of you, but most of the Trump family have spent most of their lives in circles (Ivy League colleges and Manhattan cocktail parties) where social responsibility is taken for granted as a modern noblesse oblige. They aren’t all caricatures of Gordon Gecko. It is an area where Apple and the Administration might find common ground.
“She has nothing to do with anything remotely related to Apple global marketing or legal”
She ran a bunch of her own businesses, was on the board of Hedge Funds and was Executive Vice President of Development & Acquisitions at the Trump Organization”.
yeah, and not only that Jared is also there.
TX user,
besides everything Naxon is saying just supposed everything you (TXuser) is saying is correct , that hard headed businesswoman and Jared Kushner (big time real estate developer) is PURELY interested in social issues and they want a sit down to discuss these things… :
ASK YOURSELF WHY THE F IS TIM COOK KNOWN AS THE GO TO PERSON FOR SOCIAL ISSUES?
how did he get this reputation?
do you think they would call the head of some corporation like Ford etc to discuss social to formulate the admins social policies? Do you think people would have called Steve Jobs to discuss ‘social’?
Tim Cook should be KNOWN AS A GURU OF TECH not freaking social initiatives. (again I say I am NOT against social activities — I am a social liberal myself — but as my long posts above show Apple is NOT HEALTHY like under Jobs.. There are NUMEROUS UNRESOLVED ISSUES including the fact that the fastest GPU Mac you can get today is an updated SEVEN YEAR OLD — 2010 model – Cheese Grater MP, stock one third the PE of it’s peers after 100 billion in buybacks, dividends, sinking Education share etc, etc like I listed above — Apple is accelerating in the wrong way). If you are right and they are there purely as a meal to discuss social and TC is KNOWN AS THE GO TO GUY FOR SOCIAL (when there are so many Apple problems) , I say it’s sad day for Apple and Tech. If TC feels in his heart he’s more a social activist then Tech Product Guru and wants to run a social org. go run (like I said) some GreenPeace type thing and not a public listed beholden to shareholders Tech company. Please.
… and if you say it was not ivanka or Jared’s agenda for social i.e they did not think of TC as “Guru of Social” and it was TC’s agenda, then it goes back to my first point why they heck did TC bring head of “social initiatives” when there are so many pressing issues ?
and TX user WHAT IS THE USE OF Tim Cook PUSHING SOCIAL WHEN IT IS HYPOCRISY?
like I said above:
“Many pros have invested a lot, some hundreds of thousands into the Pro eco system which Apple marketing has pushed for years (remember the Photoshop shootouts Apple used to have with Macs vs PCs? and how hard they pushed the MP cylinder? ). So is ABANDONING these Apple consumers (who like i said listened to Apple’s marketing spiel ) ETHICAL? So what’s the point of BETRAYING your customers and then say you’re so socially conscious ? Caring for OUTSIDE minorities but NOT caring about minorities (like Pro users) who are CUSTOMERS is hypocrisy.
I am one of those Pro users (right now trying to upgrade another 7 year old Cheese Grater MP – the 2010 model is the last Cheese G. model – with a PC video card because i can’t upgrade a Cylinder ) , every time I hear TC is ‘so socially conscious, so ethical’ I GET PISSED OFF like here. To me it’s hypocrisy BS.”
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(a person thinking he is ‘good’ as he is a ‘third party’ activist while not caring about his customers is delusional )
TC made the MP non GPU upgradable, has not updated it, has not dropped the price and has not given any clue about timeline or whether it is discontinued (do we spend thousands on hardware software to switch to Windows and retrain staff etc ? ) — some people’s business/ livelihoods depend on these things.
fix the machines for pros that have invested a lot into the eco system before doing secondary and actually mostly non Apple related social stuff.
Has it occurred to any of you that it might have been Ms. Trump and Mr. Kushner who initiated the meeting and set its agenda? I rather doubt that Tim Cook has the leverage to force anybody in the Administration to discuss any subject that they don’t want to talk about.
As we all agree, Ms. Trump is a genius at promoting her brand and her family’s brand. Might it be that she sees advantages to their brand allying itself with Apple on issues that can make both sides look good?
By some measures, Apple is the most influential non-governmental entity on the planet. The United States Government, by any measure, is the most influential entity, period. I think that they both have the resources to attend to other pressing issues without totally ignoring social responsibility.
Obviously, Ayn Rand devotees will disagree with the proposition that social responsibility is a good thing, but many people disagree. That includes many in the 54% of the electorate who voted against Mr. Trump and the 45% of the eligible citizens who did not vote at all. As far as I can tell, Mr. Kushner and Ms. Trump (along with the President’s Chief of Staff) are among the voices within the Administration who are trying to bridge the gap and bring the country together by appealing to that majority of non-Trump voters on issues where both sides can agree.
“Has it occurred to any of you that it might have been Ms. Trump and Mr. Kushner who initiated the meeting and set its agenda? ”
did you read my posts?
like I said if the Trumps set the agenda why is it that THEY CHOSE TC TO DISCUSS THESE THINGS? , How did TC get that reputation unless he spent an inordinate amount of time on social stuff ( in spite of plethora of Apple problems that don’t get attention ).
here again as you obviously didn’t read what I’ wrote above:
“ASK YOURSELF WHY THE F IS TIM COOK KNOWN AS THE GO TO PERSON FOR SOCIAL ISSUES?
how did he get this reputation?
do you think they would call the head of some corporation like Ford etc to discuss social to formulate the admins social policies? Do you think people would have called Steve Jobs to discuss ‘social’?”
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My last line there : would they have called Steve Jobs if Ivanka, Kushner had set the agenda for discussing social issues? Can’t you see how Apple has lost its way from Jobs laser focus on products, customer satisfaction, innovation etc? Jobs did not even want to celebrate Apple’s 30th anniversary because he said he was laser focused on future products. He didn’t want Apple to be heavily involved in charities ( although he and his wife did charity work privately), Apple only matched staffers contributions (this to stop management from THINKING about which charities to contribute to etc).
I’m not going to repeat everything on Apple problems now etc. go read my posts again.
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I don’t really care about the Trumps or the Kushners, (I’ve lost all my faith in politicians long ago) what I care about as both a pro user and a shareholder is Apple . Apple is in Trouble in many areas (like I said read my posts) so why is Cook so involved in Social? I’ll rather he be known as a TECH GURU. One more time if he’s so concerned quit and join a social org. , as Apple CEO I expect him to put priority first on what is Apple : A Tech Public Listed Company (i.e his priorities are Consumers and Shareholders).
BTW, Snopes has debunked the story about the Clinton Foundation closing.
The Foundation is alive and well. The Clinton Global Initiative, only one part of that, is phasing out, as was announced last August, before any election result.
The Clinton Global Initiative is part of the foundation. Bill Clinton started CGI in 2005. In contrast to other parts of the organization, it doesn’t fund or manage projects, or handle any of the money involved. Instead, it’s like the OKCupid of the charity world, matching funders with good causes.
So the idea that the Clinton Foundation is closing is one of those “alternative facts” …lies…that the far right loves to indulge in.
Snopes is a revisionist history tool. It’s a bigger joke than you are.
Nope, you are wrong again, just like you were with the QComm case.
Re of what you think about Snopes, the facts I cited were true re the CGI and the Clinton Foundation. You have nothing to counter so you result to childish insults.
The Facts: You marxist, globalist cocksückers lost The White House, The Senate, The House, The Supreme Court, The Governorships and The State Houses…now ask yourself why.
Why, because 64 million Americans were either:
a) Never going to vote for a female Democrat or
b) Deceived by a smooth-talking snake oil salesman.
You lost and you will continue to lose, you’ve been rejected, the sleeping giant has awakened.
Wow, I can really see why you are such a Trumpkin.
There’s FAKE from the left and FAKE from the right. That’s one reason I have no use for either Democrats or Republicans. Both are corrupt, deceitful, puppeted, ANTI-representative of We The People and worthless.
New parties please! More than just Green and Libertarian would be nice!
I am not outraged any more. Having destroyed the company that he inherited, this man is shamelessly trying to save his job with help from the evil forces that have taken hold of our country. I cannot wait for the day when the Apple Board fires him!
Then This Happened:
Read Apple CEO Tim Cook’s Email To Employees About Trump’s Refugee Ban
“It is not a policy we support,” Cook wrote to Apple employees on Saturday afternoon.
Team,
In my conversations with officials here in Washington this week, I’ve made it clear that Apple believes deeply in the importance of immigration — both to our company and to our nation’s future. Apple would not exist without immigration, let alone thrive and innovate the way we do.
I’ve heard from many of you who are deeply concerned about the executive order issued yesterday restricting immigration from seven Muslim-majority countries. I share your concerns. It is not a policy we support.
There are employees at Apple who are directly affected by yesterday’s immigration order. Our HR, Legal and Security teams are in contact with them, and Apple will do everything we can to support them. We’re providing resources on AppleWeb for anyone with questions or concerns about immigration policies. And we have reached out to the White House to explain the negative effect on our coworkers and our company.
As I’ve said many times, diversity makes our team stronger. And if there’s one thing I know about the people at Apple, it’s the depth of our empathy and support for one another. It’s as important now as it’s ever been, and it will not weaken one bit. I know I can count on all of you to make sure everyone at Apple feels welcome, respected and valued.
Apple is open. Open to everyone, no matter where they come from, which language they speak, who they love or how they worship. Our employees represent the finest talent in the world, and our team hails from every corner of the globe.
In the words of Dr. Martin Luther King, “We may have all come on different ships, but we are in the same boat now.”
Tim