“A Florida congressman has introduced a new bill that would forbid federal agencies from purchasing Apple products until the company cooperates with the federal court order to assist the unlocking of a seized iPhone 5C associated with the San Bernardino terrorist attack,” Cyrus Farivar reports for Ars Technica.
“In a statement released on Thursday, Rep. David Jolly (R-Fla.) blasted Apple,” Farivar reports. “‘Taxpayers should not be subsidizing a company that refuses to cooperate in a terror investigation that left 14 Americans dead on American soil,’ he said. ‘Who did the terrorist talk to? Who did he message with? Did he go to a safe house? Is there information on the phone that might prevent a future attack on US soil? Following the horrific events of September 11, 2001, every citizen and every company was willing to do whatever it took to side with law enforcement and defeat terror. It’s time Apple shows that same conviction to further protect our nation today.'”
Farivar reports, “GovTrack gives it a 1 percent chance of passage.”
Read more in the full article here.
MacDailyNews Take: Rep. David Jolly is obviously not a mental giant. And he’s not a patriot, either. This fool wants to fritter away the rights that generations of American patriots sacrificed their lives to protect in exchange FOR NOTHING in return; photos of cafeteria trays, if that. Even if the San Bernadino County’s iPhone inexplicably held every ISIS contact in the world, it wouldn’t be worth giving up our essential liberties.
David Jolly: “Unless you wreck the world’s most secure mobile platform, we’ll force the U.S. government to use insecure crap instead!” Genius. It’s a lose-lose proposition from a loser.
Jolly is currently running for office (Marco Rubio’s vacated Florida Senate seat) by dancing on the corpses of Americans slain in the worst terrorist attack on U.S. soil since 9/11. In the August 30, 2016, Republican primary election, Floridians should vote for candidates who support freedom and the U.S. Constitution, not candidates like David Jolly who try to make political hay out of the murders of their fellow citizens.
If Benjamin Franklin were alive today, he’d drop dead instantly upon finding out that such an abject idiot/immoral opportunist could even be elected to the U.S. House of Representatives much less propose such morbid stupidity in a painfully transparent bid to gin up votes from the terminally obtuse.
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. – Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
SEE ALSO:
Apple is racking up supporters in privacy fight against U.S. government overreach – March 3, 2016
Husband of San Bernardino terrorism victim backs Apple vs. U.S. government overreach – March 3, 2016
Over 40 companies to back Apple vs. U.S. government overreach; beleaguered Samsung still thinking about it – March 3, 2016
Apple posts amicus briefs in support of Apple vs. U.S. government overreach – March 3, 2016
U.S. Defense Secretary says strong encryption essential to national security, not a believer in back doors – March 3, 2016
Apple digs in for long fight against U.S. government overreach: ‘There is no middle ground’ – March 3, 2016
ACLU, other privacy groups urge U.S. judge to support Apple vs. U.S. government in iPhone case – March 2, 2016
Apple scored the knockout punch against FBI in House Judiciary Committee hearing – March 2, 2016
Within an hour of Malaysia Flight 370 disappearing, Apple was working with officials to locate it – March 2, 2016
John McAfee reveals how the FBI can unlock an iPhone in 30 minutes – March 2, 2016
Can the FBI force a company to break into its own products? No, says U.S. Magistrate – March 2, 2016
Apple CEO Cook decried Obama’s ‘lack of leadership’ on encryption during a closed-door meeting last month – February 29, 2016
Obama administration set to expand sharing of data that N.S.A. intercepts – February 28, 2016
Apple’s fight with U.S. could speed development of devices impervious to government intrusion – February 24, 2016
Petition asks Obama administration to stop demanding Apple create iPhone backdoor – February 19, 2016
Obama administration claims FBI is not asking Apple for a ‘backdoor’ to the iPhone – February 18, 2016
Obama administration wants access to smartphones – December 15, 2015
Obama administration war against Apple just got uglier – July 31, 2015
Obama’s secret attempt to ban cellphone unlocking, while claiming to support it – November 19, 2013
[Thanks to MacDailyNews Reader “Dan K.” for the heads up.]
Great! That will limit the government guys to working on insecure crap machines! Someone notify ISIS!
The fb1 will love that as they can fill up the dossiers on all the members of the house and senate.
Silver hawk, are you actually afraid to type FBI in your post? Really?! FBI….FBI…..FBI…. You can do it!
I’m actually a retired cop (26 years). That’s how we referred to the FBI, as the feebs or fb1. I remember reading in the newspaper about the fb1 making a arrest the day after I arrested the suspect.
Now C1@ is scary!
Apple should make one hacked phone and give it to him. It wouldn’t be as hard as Apple says. Anytime the camera sees a total moron, it would automatically unlock.
…or big hands!
Relax, the guy is just getting his jollies. /jk
Seriously, this is the kind of sound bite politics that has proven successful in getting idiots elected. Insert a keyword into a short phrase (no requirement for that phrase to be valid) and repeat incessantly. Insert new keyword and repeat. The pre-programmed electorate mindlessly votes for said idiot based on party lines or just because his name is “Jolly” and they like the idea of a happy Senator.
Our government was founded by some of the best and brightest minds of the times back in the 1700s. Why are we increasingly electing idiots?
This will probably be his only chance to get his name in as a bill sponsor. His constituents will be so proud.
I guess the drugs just weren’t doing it any more.
This guys is either 1) a idiot who truly believes what he’s pushing (which wouldn’t surprise me as there are so many idiots [the electorate] who believe what someone else is pushing), or 2) he is pandering.
Or both… more than likely.
Given that politicians are among the most venal people on earth, I would be curious to know who his financial supporters are for example is Microsoft or Google on that list?
The government should be listed as terrorists.
Amen!
terrorism – noun
1) the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
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2) the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
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3) a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.
Hopefully doesn’t check this too or you guys on the other side of the ocean are in big big trouble.
Idiot who has no clue of the situation.
Enjoy your loss in your next election.
Welcome to the Banana Republic here in Florda. We have many of the biggest group of moronic politicians in the country as well as constitutes. Give the jerk a TracPhone .
Lynnw, Tracfone (with an «F») is not a phone but a carrier. I use Tracfone with my very secure iPhone 5s. I agree with rest of your post, (except for the «constitutes» bit).
All it is, is a politician trying to get some attention for himself. All this grandstanding is about getting elected.
I would be more impressed with the politician actually tried to solve some real issues like the economy, national debt and failing education system.
Of course it is not just any politician, it is a Republican politician.
As if party affiliation makes any difference whatsoever. (Says 65 years’ experience living in California.)
“They” don’t want to educate, they want us ignorant. They just want to make it sound as if their for an educated populace.
What an idiot!
I just posted this but I guess I need to post this again , hopefully somebody can pass the facts to the moron:
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“most people against Apple I suspect don’t really understand the long term implications of the case.
I reiterate what’s been put out:
1) it’s NOT limited to one phone as there are many phones by the DOJ, FBI, various other courts waiting to be hacked. As Tim cook pointed out a judge might think a Divorce case might be important enough (in the N.Y case where the judge sided with Apple the criminal had already pleaded guilty but the police still wanted the phone hacked)
2) once the Hacker OS is created there is nothing to stop another judge or foreign country from demanding it.
3) in future cases DEFENSE lawyers might demand to see the details of how the phone was cracked
with all these cases the tool WILL leak and get into hands of Criminal Hackers . So family info, bank accounts, passkeys etc are all vulnerable
and this case sets a precedent where the security forces are granted brand new powers to compel corporations and people (who have nothing to do with crime etc) to build stuff on their behalf.
not to mention this seems to be a test case for certain groups like the FBI to eventually push for backdoors for everything which will jeopardize the tech landscape everywhere.
so this is not just Apple’s fight for ‘privacy’ against government (important as that is) but much bigger.
(it seems to us MDN readers that what I said is obvious but reading other general news forums and hearing presidential candidates speak I think lots of people still don’t get it .. ) ”
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Don’t bother going to his House site and its Clearwater congressional district zip code only.
But, this is a place you can leave a message. Be nice and explain it to him. I passed on the CNN link of the man whose wife survived.
How did this guy get elected? Oh wait, he’s from Florida, that explains a lot. Apparently those folks in Florida like their politicians campaigning with their heads up their ass.
Jesus Christ, the bloody rhetoric and obfuscation by both politicians and law enforcement agencies is ridiculous. America, do you REALLY think you have a terrorist problem? Here’s some numbers for you then you tell me why you would want the US intelligence and law enforcement agencies be given the capability to get into our phones via a backdoor method. According to the Center for Disease Control (ever heard of them?), between 2004 and 2013 the number of American deaths by terrorism on U.S. soil was 313. In the same timeframe, the number of American deaths by firearms on U.S. soil was 316,545. So just take a moment to digest those numbers. You may look it up, it’s a matter of public record. Oh, and by the way…the guns used in the San Bernadino tragedy were LEGALLY purchased firearms. From the outside looking in (I’m Canadian btw) it really doesn’t appear that terrorism is really a problem at all RELATIVELY speaking.
The guns were not legally purchased. One person (a neighbor) bought them for another (the terrorist). That is a straw purchase and illegal.
IIRC, the guns were purchased legally and then transferred to the male terrorist. He later supposedly made alterations (probably just by using a 30-round magazine) to the guns that subsequently made them illegal in cornyfornia
That transfer from one individual to another was illegal in California (didn’t go through an FFL, including waiting period).
Hacking cosmetics on the hardware was just icing on the cake.
Gotcha 👍
How about 102,810 homicides by firearm in the period 2003-2013?
I believe facts and figures are only credible when their source is provided. In the case of murder victims by firearms in the US, the FBI Uniform Crime Reports are the gold standard. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/ For the last 8 years you want Table 11, Homicides by Weapon Type, as the Firearm number is consolidated right at the top.
Nicely, there was a multi-year report there for 2003-2007, but you have to go year by year after that:
2003-2007: 49,513
2008: 9,484
2009: 9,146
2010: 8,775
2011: 8,583
2012: 8,855
2013: 8,454
Now compare that with motor vehicle-related deaths. Most of them being by accident, as opposed to intentional.
Yeah, it’s one of those odd things about America. Death By Car is OK.
2014 body count: 32,675
(National Highway Traffic Safety Administration: http://1.usa.gov/21KAXmR)
And that doesn’t indicate the survivors, alive but crippled.
Great job using the UCR. If you want the facts that’s where you go.
geez! you get an F on the test. people who pick statistics out of context and try to use them to make their ideological rant/point unaware of how unintelligent it makes them look. try this one. i hate polar bears (i don’t, but this is parable). one kills an eskimo hunting for his family. let’s pass a law eradicating all polar bears, because eskimos are endangered.
sometimes i’m sorry google ever was born. people have stopped learning and understanding and just google factoids. the google search return is void of context. you need to provide that.
what we need to do is make “bad” people illegal, not guns. a bad person bought the AR-15’s. gave them to another “bad” person. a “bad” thing happened.
i appreciate and accept your opinion on guns, but the USA gun control issue is a USA issue, not a canadian one.
Ok, some didn’t like the fact I didn’t back up my post with links. Here you go: http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate10_us.html
I’m not trying to indict your American way of life. I stated clearly I was Canadian. I stand by the statistics I stated. “the number of American deaths by firearms on U.S. soil was 316,545”. I’m only saying that by comparison 313 “American deaths by terrorism on U.S. soil” seems a trivial number and the American public in general seems to be buying into this “TERRORIST PROBLEM”. To ME is doesn’t seem a problem at all. It just seems a veiled reason to get laws passed that ought not be in place.
Jolly represents a swamp with a bunch of trailer parks scattered about. They don’t use Apple products. Unfortunately for Jolly, in a statewide race, places like Miami exist, where people have and love Apple products and they are also educated beyond the 6th grade.
I’m with Tim.
Donald Trump must have gotten to this guy, Rep. David Jolly. Trump would boycott Apple without knowing the facts. Both are trying to BULLY Apple into doing something that is not legally doable. They want to turn the U.S.A. into a POLICE STATE country. Then if you think something that they deem suspicious, you will be prosecuted. You will be deemed guilty without being proven guilty and be severely punished.
Trump’s position on this is entirely consistent with his overall position that the US Constitution is a toothless piece of parchment. Examples from just the last few days:
1. The Donald does not allow the press into his events except for a few that are penned into a small area where they cannot conduct interviews, but are subjected to his ridicule. OK, these are private events, so the 1st Amendment does not apply. Lately, however, he has been using the United States Secret Service to enforce his anti-press rules. A photographer from TIME Magazine was put in a chokehold and thrown on the floor for stepping 18 inches outside the pen to take a picture. Secret Service agents are supposed to be protecting the candidate from bullets, not from a free press. When the Feds infringe freedom of the press, that obviously is government action, where the 1st Amendment does apply. Does anybody seriously think that a President Trump is going to respect the constitutional rights of reporters (and of their readers) any more than Candidate Trump does?
2. In fact, he has recently been getting a lot of applause at his rallies by promising to make it easier for people such as himself to sue the media when they disagree with the coverage. Currently, public figures have to prove that the reporter acted with actual malice or reckless disregard for the truth. Trump would allow suits for simply quoting in good faith an apparently reliable source who proves to be mistaken. That notion almost certainly falls afoul of the 1st Amendment, since it would chill almost all investigative reporting.
3. At a recent Trump rally, a dozen or more attendees were ejected for “sitting together while black.” It was a group from the local historically black college who had come to see for themselves what Trump was about. Trump’s rally coordinators simply assumed that they were protestors and had them thrown out before they said a word. So, the students saw for themselves what Trump is about — racial discrimination.
4. He often combines the themes of racial bias and speech suppression by screaming at protesters, “Are you Mexicans?” On a number of occasions, he has spoken approvingly of his True Believers who have roughed up people for carrying anti-Trump signs. He keeps repeating a vile racist libel against General of the Armies John J. Pershing, who was called “Black Jack” because his African-American troops loved him, not because he arbitrarily shot Muslims to frighten their coreligionists. It never happened, and Trump knows it.
5. His recent attack on the Pope did not come out of thin air. His father, Fred Trump, was arrested in 1927 at a protest that had turned into a riot. The protesters were assembled by the KKK to protest alleged discrimination by New York’s largely Roman Catholic police force against “White American Protestants.” I guess #ProtestantLivesMatter! Fred went on to become a notoriously racist slumlord. Woody Guthrie wrote a song about Old Man Trump.
So, we should not be surprised when he and his supporters want to stomp on Apple’s right to litigate whether it can be compelled to destroy its own business model by enabling the Government’s goons — potentially under Trump’s command — from invading the privacy of millions of Americans and countless others. The Constitution must yield to national security, right?
Well, here’s another one. Go over to Ars Technica and read a article concerning DA Michael Ramos. Ramos wrote a brief saying the iPhone 5c contains a “cyber pathogen” and Apple must open that phone for him to see so he can protect San Bernadino’s citizens. He has no contact but this person who works for him does:
clee@sbcda.org
god I just read the article on the DA’s claims, he’s so ignorant it almost makes me cry — seriously it makes really depressed.
just imagine with that IQ how many court cases he must have screwed up…
And that is why *electing* district attorneys and judges is the stupidest idea ever.
Some positions really do need to be appointed and not subject to the whims of an easily swayed public. On the other side of the coin, people in these positions should only act to uphold the law equally, and that means sometimes taking a wildy unpopular position and not worry about pandering for votes.
It’s the drugs speaking.
Lots of drugs, over a very long period.
Rep. David Jolly introduced a bill so China, Russia and the United States can unlock the phones of government personal, the military and congress?
Is Jolly really THAT stupid to think it will stop at just one phone, and just one country?
So, Jolly is forbidding people from purchasing American phones thereby forcing them to buy phones from a Korean government?
Now who’s the terrorist?
1% chance of passage? Talk about hopeless optimism.
This would force the government to continue using Windows secure as a sieve trash with blue screens of death at the most critical moments. Just ask the Navy.
Yes, but Microsoft wholeheartedly supports Apple. Or is this guy just an Apple hater.
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Let them buy the stuff from Samsung and see what they say then and how fast they’ll return to using iPhones vs Samsung products.
Why does it always seem the dumbest, most ignorant jackasses seem to get elected? It’s insane how consistent this is!!
Anyone better qualified actually has a real job?
Just another dumbass Republican like Trump, all
mouths and no brains.
A dumbass Democrat would never do this because their solution to everything is to raise taxes.
Like MDN’s wording for David. Bloody fool idiot. People should vote against these types of mentals.
Jolly needs to resign!
To paraphrase P.T. Barnum, there is an idiot born every minute.
1. If the FBI has tried already tried 10 times to enter the iPhone’s PW it is very likely that all the data on it has already been automatically erased. It follows that the court order to hack the phone succeeds it will achieve nothing.
2. Why isn’t the government going after Android phones? It has to be that they are inherently hackable.
Because the government can access Android phones without any outside help.
typical republicans.
Well, the GVT uses the most insecure systems nationwide (MS windows) so that is not surprising. Never trust the government.
End of Story.