“Anonymous declared war on Islamic extremists Friday and promised to take revenge for the attack on French satirical magazine Charlie Hedbo,” Mark Thompson reports for CNN.
“In a video posted on YouTube, the group of hackers said they would track down websites and social media networks linked to terrorists, and take them down,” Thompson reports. “‘We, Anonymous around the world, have decided to declare war on you the terrorists,’ it said. The video is described as a message for ‘al Qaeda, the Islamic State and other terrorists,’ and promises to avenge the killing of 12 people in Wednesday’s attack.”
“‘We intend to take revenge in their name, we are going to survey your activities on the net, we are going to shut down your accounts on all social networks,’ Anonymous said,” Thompson reports. “Cherif and Said Kouachi, the brothers wanted for the massacre at Charlie Hedbo’s offices in Paris, were killed Friday by French security forces in a town where they had been surrounded, according to a local official… An ISIS radio broadcast Thursday praised the attackers, calling them ‘brave jihadists.’ But the broadcast did not say whether the two had any connection to the militant group.”
Read more in the full article here.
[Thanks to MacDailyNews Reader “Lynn Weiler” for the heads up.]
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Apple joins ‘Je Suis Charlie’ solidarity movement after Islamic terror murders in Paris – January 8, 2015
The anonymous hackers will probably be more effective against those bastards than our current Government is.
Bring back the Crusades.
..or Charles Martel (The Hammer).
Why isn’t the Statue Of Liberty alit in the Tricolor? Why is the United States being “represented” by POS Holder?
This administration is an obscenity against the fraternity of free peoples.
Holder didn’t even show at the rally, only appeared on a few morning news programs. From what I’ve read, the only US official who showed up was the US ambassador. Kerry was somewhere in Asia, Biden was in Delaware, and the Pres’ was no doubt planning his next golf outing.
But not to worry. The White House is planning their own meeting on “violent extremism”.
Excuse-me, but this statement is totally foolish i.m.o.
Crusades where exactly the same extremism and religious blindness that we find actually in the jihad. Same obscurantism, same lack of common sense, same way to use some god to perform massacres.
BUY A CLUE, ALMUX!!
The difference between The Crusades and this Muslim Jihad is this The Crusades started in 1095. This Muslim Jihad is happening NOW. The rest of the world has EVOLVED and progressed as a human race, these Islamists have not! You can not compare something that happened 920 years ago with TODAY. What a stupid, illogical comparison. Have more coffee and wake up.
You may want to read some history on the Crusades…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Crusade
“It was launched on 27 November 1095 by Pope Urban II with the primary goal of responding to an appeal from Byzantine Emperor Alexios I Komnenos, who requested that western volunteers come to his aid and help to repel the invading Seljuq Turks from Anatolia. An additional goal soon became the principal objective—the Christian reconquest of the sacred city of Jerusalem and the Holy Land and the freeing of the Eastern Christians from Muslim rule.”
They were a RESPONSE to Muslim extremism..
Same base, different time.
FTR, there was more to the political genesis of the Crusades than that in the Christian world at the time, just as there was more to the US diving into the Spanish-American War with the sinking of the battleship Maine…
Also, while it’s understandable to at least partly say, “yeah!” about this announcement, it’s not a great augur for the health of the web for cyber warfare to keep escalating.
There’s bound to be “collateral damage” and it could be coming to many very near any of us.
And the City State Venice sacked the Byzantine Empire in return if Alexios I Komnenos could do it again would he?
Well he was finished if he didn’t do no doubt a risk worth taking even if it didn’t end up well. Good that one one has finally pointed out however the crusades were not one sided it was a response to others Expansionist endeavours. Sadly the whole process fell apart into self interest, coruptions and exploitation of supposed friends.
these terrorists were pissed that cartoon and drawings of muhammed were displayed. I say the world start spreading images of muhammed. flood all of social media with the images. enough is enough
I thought of that too. They can’t kill all of us but eventually they will try. They wait until their % numbers are high in a country then they start causing real problems. They are 1% in the US so are laying relatively low, but just wait, there is more to come for us in the future if we don’t nip this in the bud now.
“They are 1% in the US so are laying relatively low…”
a muslim president is a good start, however.
I agree. His father was a Muslim. The name says it all, and I really don’t buy that he’s of a Christian religion deep down. May have a lot to do with his disengagement to a lot of Muslim Terrorist actions going on. Not a good time in history for him to be President.
“If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, it’s a duck.”
Time to get busy against all this religious zealots nonsense and nip it in the bud. The irony is that religion (who tenets usually preach brotherly love and no killing) will be the death of the world outside of a plague or another world war.
One of the best articles about killing for religion came from The Onion:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/god-angrily-clarifies-dont-kill-rule,222/
Looks like you got a down vote from the “God wants us to kill” crowd.
Wouldn’t surprise me.
“. . . that religion . . . will be the death of the world outside of a plague or another world war”.
Oh, you mean like HItler, Stalin, Lenin, Mao Tse Tung, Pol Pot tried to show us?
I think I said that in so many words as in “another world war.”
Dictators typical only care about “me, myself & I” and there’s little religion involved. Zealotry of a different kind maybe. All of it only points to man’s inhumanity to man and foisting one’s corrupted ideal onto others, to the point of killing for it. Accept or die. There are SO many assholes running loose in the world who don’t have a clue, but DO have a gun.
Good for Anonymous! Take those bastards down!
Yup. If these wacko Islamists lose access to the internet and social media, they lose their recruiting and funding methods.
Very doubtful that this group would be from the free and civilized world, cause hey we all know we’d be more interested in peace. So grab the popcorn free worlds and watch more escalation and MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) activities.
Je suis Charlie, je suis plus que Charlie, je suis moin que Charlie.
Awesome.
Anonymous vs. al Qaeda.
The screenplay is writing itself.
In this corner… (cue Rocky theme music now)
Hope they don’t wuss out like they did with the Mexican drug cartels. Anonymous declared war on them, then took it back upon realizing the cartels were hiring their own hackers, and that hackers < hackers + professional killers.
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/nov/02/anonymous-zetas-hacking-climbdown
Right on!!!
You fight fire with fire.
They’re trying to fight fire with gasoline. I’d like. To see them succeed, and blow those bastards to hell. Unfortunately, they’re only targeting the terrorists’ social networks accounts… Why not their bank accounts, credit, etc…?
Uggghh… Please ignore the typos.
Because the terrorists are very, very skilled at using social media and YouTube to market themselves, recruit new members, and solicit money. Cut off their marketing and you cut off their resources.
This could be more effective than anything if Annonymous goes all the way and stays at it indefinately.
I wish them well in this particular endeavor.
The US Government should have some way retained Anonymous to go after North Korea!
The Charlie Hebdo 12 are the true martyrs.
I agree with Anonymous.
Charlie’s cartoonists were among the most talentuous and satirical of the world and they were free.
Also they were threatened since many years but they were brave enough to defend freedon of expression in our countries.
Now they are dead.
We thank them.
You’ll never defeat Islam if the West is dependent on oil.
Muslims sit on the throat of the oil fields.
Most the 911 terrorists were Saudi Arabs including Osama (none were Iraqis), Islamic fundamentalism around the world is funded by Saudi Arabs via the Wahhabi Islamic school (the clerics get hundreds of millions by blackmailing Arab leaders) yet NO WESTERN COUNTRY DARES TO INFERE WITH SAUDI ARABIA. even after 911 with most of the perpetrators as i said were Saudi arabs the INVESTIGATION STOPPED AT SAUDI ARABIA’s BORDERS. While the USA sent hundreds of thousands of troops into Iraq, the USA didn’t even send an investigation team into saudi arabia! (think about it, most of the terrorists were saudi’s yet the USA govt wasn’t interested in investigating their links: their friends, their connections, their funding etc in Saudi arabia!! )
wahhabi clerics are building thousands of islamic schools and funding terrorism from Africa to Indonesia. There are a thousand plus such schools in a small country like Malaysia alone (I was there visiting the country) — not all the funding of course for those thousand are from Wahhabis but significant portion is and so are the most influential teachers …
ISIS is rooted in Wahabbism as well .
NewStatesman : ” IS is certainly an Islamic movement, it is neither typical nor mired in the distant past, because its roots are in Wahhabism, a form of Islam practised in Saudi Arabia ”
Arabia is so close to the USA that Prince Bandar of the Saud royal family was called Bandar Bush as he was so often staying at Bush’s ranch…
Obama ain’t much better addressing Saudi’s issues.
All the ‘Anti Terrorism’ – hundreds of billions spent is just WHITE WASH to dupe the population of the west (“See see we are fighting terrorism” ) . Rich industrialists and governments don’t want or can’t deal with the real terrorism root… Wahhabi Islamization because of OIL. Western leaders are hobnobbing and partying with Saudi Arab leaders who are funding Wahhabbism who are pushing terrorism.
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I’m just complaining as I have no solution as i live in the West and i drive a Car….
The Good News:
“The International Energy Agency (IAE) says that by 2015, the United States will surpass Saudi Arabia and Russia as the world’s biggest oil producer and is on track to become energy self-sufficient in two decades.”
http://www.voanews.com/content/iea-us-worlds-biggest-oil-producer-by-2016/1788573.html
and a lot of oil is coming from Canada.
Reading back my post I sound anti USA which is NOT intentional (I’ll rather live in USA than in any muslim country and I’ve visited several ) I’m just disappointed in USA leaders (left and right) and Western leaders in general in not really addressing fanatical islam.
There is also huge oil deposits in South America as well as the Arctic Circle, particularly underneath the North Pole. The days of the Middle East ruling oil prices is over.
yep, and they will return to wandering among the dunes and camel dung and throwing their women off minarets.
fsck ’em.
Better completely get rid of hydrocarbons. The less pollution the better and to gain in independence vis-a-vis the immense pressures of the industrialists would be an appreciable thing.
I’m disappointed that “moderate Islam” is not fighting the rise of extremism in its own path of the settled world, although there are a number of reasons that make it make sad sense.
Still, history shows tit for tat has never resolved the conflict between Westernism/Christianity and the Muslim world, so real change (absent true conflagration which would result in who knows what) will have to eventually come from within that world.
Cowboy, who do you think is fighting the ground war against the Islamic State? Moderate Muslims are the majority, and they are have been fighting extremists for millenia, while the Western powers only get involved when they need cheap oil or favors from the Pope.
There’s a great BIG problem with all these ‘self-sufficient’ quotes:
The energy companies in the USA DEMAND the right to SELL all our self-sufficiency off to other countries, such as China. At this point in time, 40% of fracked natural gas is going to be SHIPPED and SOLD outside of the USA. That’s obviously NOT actually ‘self-sufficiency’. That’s just plain old capitalism paying attention to making a profit, versus actually protecting the USA from OPEC and other energy sources.
IOW:
Q: What’s more important? Playing the financial games or actually making the USA energy self-sufficient?
A: We have our answer. Sell to the highest bidder wins.
You need to think in terms of production and consumption. If we extract more than we consume, the surplus can be exported and we can still be deemed “self-sufficient” as long as we can maintain the supply requisite to meet the demands. And if we export some of it such that the remainder alone doesn’t meet current domestic needs, those needs will be made up by imports.
Exports don’t necessarily challenge economic or security sense. Oil or gas extracted from Alaska can, for example, be shipped very profitably to Japan and South Korea – in the process helping them reduce their reliance on Middle Eastern sources – and made up by importing such product from Canada and Mexico at lower price.
I’m not talking about ‘more than we can consume’ even remotely. This is all about selling to the highest bidder, as I pointed out. The energy companies demand making money from bidders outside the USA. They have not-a-thought about any of this sustainability stuff. They don’t care.
But for the short term, this is a GREAT place for the USA to be and it has directly depressed the price of fuel in the USA. So for now, enjoy! For later: Pay the price of shipping our fuel outside of the USA. So much for sustainability.
Raymond, you are confusing short-term profit with long-term assets. To play the economic short game as a nation is foolish.
Nobody has a truly accurate estimate of how long their petroleum reserves will last, but most show that there’s only a generation or two left of oil & gas at current usage rates. And because the transition off of oil will take time, we need to stretch our domestic supply rather than maximize its short-term profit.
There are many reasons to forego oil exportation: much foreign oil is of lower quality, especially that tar from Canada. In our current era of near-zero deflation and our current little dip into low-priced oil for the moment, the value of oil in the ground will grow faster than your money in the bank. Moreover, hydrocarbons in the ground are vastly more valuable as a strategic asset for the future than they are if we simply use them to drive around ludicrously large SUVs. Oil is already too precious of a commodity to simply waste it on foolish ego-centric lifestyles.
You DO NOT want to be the first nation to run out of natural resources, hydrocarbons or otherwise. The USA really needs to refocus its attention to maintain what it’s got on the asset side of the ledger, even if that means we have to economize a little in the near term with our gasoline use & pricing. Same goes for fresh water, arable farmland, forest acreage, and so forth. Wise stewardship in the long run will pay off FAR more handsomely than selling China your inherited resources.
Chapter 2: If the USA does a better job educating its youth rather than distracting them with gadgets and games and useless pop culture, then maybe the USA will have a chance at being economically relevant in the next century. However, our current 2 corrupt political parties have so mismanaged the national priorities that sustained emphasis on education and infrastructure maintenance has been forgotten. The fish is rotting from the head, and the distracted voters are busy wallowing in Fox-inflated paranoia rather than voting all the bums out and pulling up the nation by the bootstraps the way their forefathers did, repeatedly.
Yeh, and they just repealed the NO EXPORTING AMERICAN OIL law in the USA. Talk about dumb as dog drops!!! We should stockpile our oil for industries that can ONLY use oil, while subsidizing development of American-made LONG range Electric cars, buses, taxis etc. and Alternaive non-food derived new fuels for home heating etc.
I agree because if this Islamic mess turns into a WWIII, we are going to need all the oil we can produce for ourselves. And if there is surplus it goes to our Allies in the war. I thought it would be a good 25 years before all this shit hit the fan, but now I think it will be sooner. I used to be against the Keystone Pipeline, but weighing the environmental risks against the Muslim world terrorism plus and Middle East risks and volitility, I’m now letting go of my objection to the pipeline. Energy self sufficiency must be a priority for us.
some people voting me down but can anybody contest my argument about Saudi Arabia Wahhabbi links to terrorism? And the no response by Western (western not just USA) to it?
Terror groups like Al Qaeda etc and newer ones like ISIS all have roots in Saudi Wahhabism
even the US major who killed 13 at Fort hood was influenced by Wahhabi (via Wahhabi cleric Al Awalaki) , the Boston bombing also had Wahhabi links
ETC
Dear me but even liberal PBS (!) has concerns about Wahhabism…
PBS : “Strict Wahhabis believe that all those who don’t practice their form of Islam are heathens and enemies. Critics say that Wahhabism’s rigidity has led it to misinterpret and distort Islam, pointing to extremists such as Osama bin Laden and the Taliban. Wahhabism’s explosive growth began in the 1970s when Saudi charities started funding Wahhabi schools ”
yet there has been no strike whatsoever at the Wahabbi terrorist leaders in Saudi Arabia : ZERO NADA…
people can flame me all they want but I’m telling the RealTruth.
I use to live in New York City.
Much as I appreciate your insights into Saudi Wahhabism (a new subject to me), appreciate the fact that (as I am ever saying) we never know everything about anything. Or, truth is in the mind of the beholder. We’re constantly wrong about something or other. But I like the fact that you’re drawing attention to the Saudi’s and their role in all this rubbish inflicted on the ‘western’ world as well lots of complicity within that world. Thank you.
I font know about the US but this connection is long known this side of the pond and rapidly becoming accepted by commentators and analysts. Sadly because of the reliance on the Saudis, blind faith and fear of their regime falling being an effective death nell to the West we have all tolerated their evil influence for far too long. Sadly the only thing we can do is make ourselves non dependent on Middle Eastern oil but no doubt all that will do is make them less dependent on western influence as they sell their oil to Asia and Africa so perhaps the sooner the oil ther runs out the better if we at least can fulfill the alternative energy solution side of the equation. By the way a recent BBC poll suggested that as much as 90% of the Saudi population supports the aims of Islamic State. Doesn’t bode well and scary we are reliant on an appalling regime to keep that lid in place while doing its own self serving deals.
The two most difficult human subjects here on out are what we as a species do with the Asian (Chinese dominated) culture and people, and what we do with the Middle Eastern (Muslim) culture and people. My personal POV is that it’s going to come down to a battle between these two entirely dissonant groups of human beings, to put it mildly.
As for the USA and its future: What I’m watching is not constructive, to put it mildly. The more we meddle with the two prime clashing cultures, the more we blunder. We adequately comprehend neither and our influence on either is detrimental. But that’s just me reflecting inside my own limited and blundering inner world.
I agree. I used to be against the Keystone Pipeline, and a lot of drilling, but now, I am letting go of that stand. If North America doesn’t free itself from Middle East oil dependence we will be sorry people when this whole thing breaks into a full blown war in a decade or so (if not sooner). We need to have our personal supply ready to kick in when WWIII breaks out.
Read above?
I’d like to cheer for anonymous, but I also don’t want them to interfere with the agencies of various governments that are using those accounts to track terrorists. I’d rather they infiltrate them, and tag their computers and give the info to authorities.
@RealTruth
lay off the caps key
save your ranting and think rationally
@dan
maybe you’ll like to FACTUALLY RATIONALLY argue down my statements?
@dan
I have to add this;
people like you REALLY piss me off
you spout yet you do not read up on or have ANY clue of the issues.
so once again I’m WAITNG FOR YOU TO REFUTE MY ARGUMENTS WITH A FACTS…
show me that Osama wasn’t Saudi, that Wahhabis didn’t fund him or strongly influence, fund and motivate groups like Al Qaeda, ISIS… and that even with their clear links to masterminding most of Islamic terrorism (including in places like India, Bali – Bali bombing etc ) Western government have not taken any action against Wahhabi leaders based in Saudi Arabia.
if you have no FACTS shut the F-ck up BECAUSE THE POLITICIANS ARE DEPENDING ON IDIOTS LIKE YOU TO CONTINUE NOT REALLY DEALING WITH TERRORISM.
All right you are screaming loud enough you must be looking for a punching bag pretty hard. Come on, pick on me. I’m an easy target and I don’t hit women. You are a woman right? I mean I’m inferring it but your shrill all cap screams sound pretty feminine to me. Don’t panic if I got it wrong and you are guy, I won’t hit you in the balls, gauging from that whine sure sounds like you’ve had a heel full. We’ll forgo the rules of good grammar and spelling here, at least I will.
Let me read your drivel one more time, just need to decide how many hands I need to tie behind my back.
“You’ll never defeat Islam if the West is dependent on oil.” Oh puhlease. Really that’s your start off? Hey bozo, get back to the basics look at the big picture. “You’ll never defeat the plants as long as the animals are dependent on oxygen.” Why is it always about war and defeating others with you people? A quiet peaceful evening gosh that must be such a traumatic experience for you even though the best way to defeat an enemy may to turn him into a friend.
All right still harping on 911, that’s all right, it still is one of the greatest terrorist acts of all times but hey the Saudis had nothing to do with it. It was another terrorist nation that arranged for Chile to have their democratically elected government removed so that their own puppet known as Pinochet could be put into power. He then oversaw the killing of 1,200 and 3,200 people interned up to 80,000 more and in that well recognized despicable terrorist tradition tortured about 30,000 people. I think there was some other 911 event as well, and maybe the Saudis were involved in that one and maybe you are right about that one but you need to understand that many are towing the line out of fear and will vote you down. Big deal, read about the Cassandra syndrome, it’s obviously in play here. As it should be. The Charlie Hebdo is a symptom of very dark times and it’s going to get darker. It always does before the dawn.
Je suis Charlie, je suis plus que Charlie, je suis moin que Charlie.
are you stupid or what?
what are ranting about Pinochet?
“one of the greatest terrorist acts of all times but hey the Saudis had nothing to do with ”
REALLY?
your try to sound so clever with your sarcasms but your stupidity knows no bounds.
HERE:
15 of the 19 terrorists including Osama bin Laden were Saudis. (others one Egyptian, 2 from UAE and one Lebanese) No iraqis.
One of the men implicated in 9/11 Zacarias Moussaoui, admitted in jail that Saudi’s paid for his flight lessons in Oklahoma. He also stated the provided assistance to Bin Laden.
New York Post on the USA Congressional Report leaks (Formal release is being pressured by Congressmen Walter Jones Rep and Stephen Lynch Dem) :
” Saudi consulate official Fahad al-Thumairy allegedly arranged for an advance team to receive two of the Saudi hijackers — Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi — as they arrived at LAX in 2000. One of the advance men, Omar al-Bayoumi, a suspected Saudi intelligence agent, left the LA consulate and met the hijackers at a local restaurant…. Bayoumi and another suspected Saudi agent, Osama Bassnan, set up essentially a forward operating base in San Diego for the hijackers after leaving LA…. Then-Saudi Ambassador Prince Bandar and his wife sent checks totaling some $130,000 to Bassnan while he was handling the hijackers. Though the Bandars claim the checks were “welfare” for Bassnan’s supposedly ill wife, the money nonetheless made its way into the hijackers’ hands … 9/11 ringleader Mohamed Atta and other hijackers visited a home owned by Esam Ghazzawi, a Saudi adviser to the nephew of King Fahd. FBI agents investigating the connection in 2002 found that visitor logs for the gated community and photos of license tags matched vehicles driven by the hijackers. ”
FoxNews Jan 2 2015 on the same issue as New York Post above of the redacted Congressional report (note here is Fox news criticizing Bush Admin!!)
“Congressional lawmakers on Wednesday ramped up efforts to get President Obama to release 28 top-secret pages from a 9/11 report that allegedly detail Saudi Arabia’s involvement in the terror attacks.
Lawmakers and advocacy groups have pushed for the declassification for years. The effort already had bipartisan House support but now has the backing of retired Florida Democratic Sen. Bob Graham, a former Senate Intelligence Committee chairman….
(GOP Congressman) Jones and other lawmakers have described the documents’ contents as shocking.
That 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi Arabian citizens is already known. But Graham and the congressmen suggested the documents point to Saudi government ties and repeatedly said Wednesday that the U.S. continues to deny the truth about who principally financed the attacks — covering up for Saudi Arabia, a wealthy Middle East ally. ”
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According to the 9/11 Commission report: from information provided by Kalid Mohammed al Qaeda mastermind 70% of the Al Qaeda terrorists in Afghanistan were saudis. Saudi government admits near 25,000 of their people have received Al Qaeda training.
In the USS Cole bombing, both terrorists were Saudis.
March 2002 a raid in Bosnia Al Qaeda charity gave a list of prominent financial supporters from the first year of it’s existence. ALL the donors were Saudis.
Saudi Arabia has been linked to the Mosul bombing in 2004, Riyadh residential compound bombing (both of which killed numerous americans), the Bombay attack, the Bali bombing, Madrid train, Beslan school massacre (300+ hostages killed), Mumbai bombing etc.
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WikiLeaks Hillary Clinton Memo:
“Saudi Arabia remains a critical financial support base for al-Qaida, the Taliban, LeT and other terrorist groups,…. Donors in Saudi Arabia constitute the most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide,”
The Guardian 2013 :
” the export of the fundamentalist Saudi interpretation of Islam – Wahhabism – fused with Afghan Pashtun tribal code and helped to form the Taliban. The Saudi monarchy would end up suffering from blowback as al-Qaida eventually turned against the kingdom.
Chatham House professor Paul Stevens says: “For a long time, there was an unwritten agreement … whereby al-Qaida’s presence was tolerated in Saudi Arabia, but don’t piss inside the tent, piss outside.”
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feel stupid enough ?
like I told the other guy why don’t you refute what I write with FACTS? instead of making comments like ‘shrill all cap screams sound pretty feminine to me’ ? I’m not a woman but you think woman are stupid… ? SEXIST as well as DUMB.
What fun, you haven’t figured out why I am commented about Pinochet even though you spewed out about 911. The first 911, Sept. 9, 1973 was the date Chilean Coup d’état. You are probably talking about the 91 of Sept 11, 2001. You should specify that you know. Sure there were victims at the second 911, sure it was a tragedy, but it’s not even in ball park of the first 911. Any moron can see that, maybe you can find one to explain it to you.
Sure there were Saudis involved in that, heck Bin Laden was from Saudi Arabia and there are good reports that he was trained by the CIA. Big deal, and it appears to be your point but I don’t really think so.
Look at your first post “Friday, January 9, 2015 – 4:22 pm”. You come in here yelling (as is inferred by using all capital letters) that “no western country dares interfere with Saudi Arabia”. Yes, so that’s pretty well standard, it is a tenet of the UN after all. A dozen or so people from one nation commit a terrorist act and what, you are going to blame the entire nation? Heck if that where the case those terrorist nations that torture people and commit crimes against humanity would be interfered with and taken to justice, but they aren’t. I don’t have an issue with your facts and you said it yourself at the end of that post that you are complaining. Fair enough.
Then you come along Friday, at “January 9, 2015 – 5:50 pm” and whine about how some people are voting you down. And in full egotistical display of a megalomaniac you challenge people who voted you down to contest your argument. Fine, I’m game but don’t bring rational facts to an emotional confrontation. There is nothing wrong with your facts. Got it? It’s the way you express yourself, as a bully. Getting voted down would not have the same impact if you took the time to research the Cassandra syndrome. My guess is that you didn’t. Facts only interest you when they support your bully behavior. So by all means give people the power to piss you off and piss your personal empowerment away.
You do it again, looking for a fight. “Friday, January 9, 2015 – 6:04 pm” in your reply to dan, who was spot on. He wasn’t spouting but you are, you’ve been spouting from the very start. You remind me of that school yard Bush bully who gets punched in the nose by a Bin Laughing and gets away before Bush bully can find him. So what does Bush bully do? He grabs the closest victim he can find, in this case Saddam Hussein and beats him to a pulp. That’s what you are doing.
Of course I feel stupid enough, I told you that at the very start “All right you are screaming loud enough you must be looking for a punching bag pretty hard. Come on, pick on me. I’m an easy target and I don’t hit women.” I don’t where you associate my comments as inferring that women are stupid or that I’m sexist but hey it’s typical bully behavior to assign imaginary attributes to others. Just like the Bush bully who went on saying that Saddam Hussein was involved in the second 911.
While I feel stupid enough, next to you I also feel like a genius. I’m happy with feeling stupid enough because I was taking a chance expecting you to reply and sure enough you did. Now I can come back and focus on the issue at hand even though it appears to have nothing to do with Apple.
A moslem policeman Ahmed Merabet is mourned after being killed by the Charlie Hebdo attack. Maybe if a few more such moslems were appreciated and nurtured they may overall realize that they are part of a beautiful planet…
Je suis Charlie, je suis moin que Charlie, je suis plus que Charlie.
“What fun, you haven’t figured out why I am commented about Pinochet even though you spewed out about 911″
we’re discussing here about Islamic terrorism and you are talking Pinochet.
” I don’t where you associate my comments as inferring that women are stupid or that I’m sexist ”
your comment ” but your shrill all cap screams sound pretty feminine to me” and your implication that because you think what I’m writing is wrong (and ‘shrill’) I have to be a ‘woman’ (the implication is “you write trash and are shrill, you must be a woman right?” ) . that sounds pretty damn misogynist to me.
Once again where are your FACTS agains my ‘Wahabbi Saudi sponsored terrorism ” arguments.
Nothing.
basically I’ve trashed you soundly for being clueless
so where’s your FACTS that the Saudi’s had nothing to do with it vs my quotes from Congressional reports , to terrorist court testimonies etc. ?
Now in your second post here you WEASEL OUT (all caps needed sometimes, ) by saying “Sure there were Saudis involved in that” while in your original post your sarcastically and confidently stated ” 911, that’s all right, it still is one of the greatest terrorist acts of all times but hey the Saudis had nothing to do with it”
“The Saudis had nothing to do with it ” to ” Sure there were Saudis involved in that”
LO LOL LOL LOL LOL
YOU DO NOT EVEN HAVE THE BALLS TO ADMIT YOU MADE A MISTAKE. NOT ONLY ARE YOU STUPID YOU HAVE NO GUTS.
dude at least have the BALLS to admit a mistake…
(here small letters) : sad.
Oh wow, this is so tasty.
“we’re discussing here about Islamic terrorism and you are talking Pinochet.” No “we” weren’t. You were talking about the second 911. “Most the 911 terrorists were Saudi Arabs”. If you had used proper language you would have said the second 911. Actually 911 has nothing to do with this attack. It happened in France. It was done by Islamic terrorist sure and Islamic terrorist do a whole bunch of terror activities across the world.
Again the first 911, Sept. 9, 1973 resulted with Pinochet government ended up killing 1,200 and 3,200 people interned up to 80,000 more and in that well recognized despicable terrorist tradition tortured about 30,000. Way way more than the second 911. The second 911 had Saudis involved. Gee you really are thick. You are so pissed off and losing all sight of facts that it’s amusing very amusing. The others watching are getting it. I said the Saudis were involved in the second 911. You said ” Sure there were Saudis involved in that”. So we agree. As I’ve said, I’m not refuting your fact. I’m calling you a bully. That’s a fact.
The shrill comment is well documented. “The difference in vocal folds size between men and women means that they have differently pitched voices.” Now if you want to consider nature to be sexist then so am I.
Once again, I don’t refute your facts. Got it? For the umpteenth time? Gee you are thick. You’ve trashed everybody because you are bully, an all caps bully.
I’ll admit to making mistakes, I have when appropriate. There is a difference between making a mistake however and being so enraged you forgo all logical discourse and keep on pounding. That’s what you are doing because you sir are a BULLY.
Hey you are there are times when all caps are needed.
BULLY.
Keep it up, keep BULLYING me, it does not bother me and while you are bullying me you certainly aren’t hurting anyone else from the MDN community.
you say “I’ll admit to making mistakes, I have when appropriate.”
So saying ““The Saudis had nothing to do with it ” was not a mistake? so if it’s not a mistake why then in your SECOND POST did you say “Sure there were Saudis involved in that” ??
Dude you came attacking me with such SARCASTIC ARROGANCE and so sure that “”The Saudis had nothing to do with it” and I slapped you down like a putz with facts and quotes from congressional reports etc.
you were wrong and DON’T HAVE THE BALLS TO ADMIT IT.
my whole thread was about Western Govt’s not taking action against Saudis who are implicated in terrorist attacks and the Wahabbist movement . So once again you diss my accurate facts with… PINOCHET. WTF? it’s like some one discussing Baseball and another attacks him by saying : “you are talking shit about baseball because beef hamburgers come from cows” (???WTF) Hamburgers from cows might be TRUE but has nothing to do with the first guy talking BASEBALL. get it?
(you COULD have said “I agree with your facts about the Wahabbist movement but I would like to point out about another event the Pinochet case. But you didn’t ! you attacked me saying I wrong about 9/11 saudi connection with such sarcasm that you disparaged me by a sexist attack saying I must ‘be a woman’. And after that attack you went into a foggy crazed rant about Pinochet. )
as fro saying you are not sexist . Really? You attack me by saying I sound like a woman … so that is a DISPARAGING misogynist remark against women.. OTHERWISE WHY ATTACK ME WITH IT? If a person says “you’re ugly like a pig (i.e similar attack as “you sound like a woman”) it’s obvious the person thinks that pigs are ugly” so likewise you must think as I’m ‘shrill ‘and ‘i sound like a woman ‘ you must think woman are inferior in discussions so what’s that about you not being sexist again?
lol.
keep debating man, I make you look stupid all over again all night and all day.
This is a reply to your post of: Saturday, January 10, 2015 – 9:36 pm
Get with the program I have said that the Saudis had nothing to do with the first 9-11, the one of Sept. 9, 1973.
I have said and I am saying that there were Saudis involved with the second 9-11, the one of Sept. 11 2011. I’ve said that I don’t refute your facts. Can you understand what that means? Oh and hey if I am a woman I certainly won’t have balls.
Seems you still can’t get that straight.
I never attacked you, you attacked this thread. the all caps, “people like you REALLY piss me off”, “shut the F-ck up”. Statements like that are attacks in my books. You are a bully plain and simple, not need for all caps here.
You say your whole thread is about Western Government’s not taking action against Saudis. Sure, fine you can ignore the fact that Bin Ladin who was a Saudi and killed by the Americans if you wish.
Oh I love this. “(you COULD have said “I agree with your facts about the Wahabbist movement”
Gee what part of “Once again, I don’t refute your facts.” and “Sure there were Saudis involved in that” (the second 911) and “I don’t have an issue with your facts”
Thick thick thick.
There was no attack meant with the sounding of a woman. I wasn’t sure if you were a woman or not. I was pointing out your use of all caps, as did another person. It’s shrill.
I’ll certainly keep debating and by all means in true bully style you’ll make me look stupid all over again day and night, but I enjoy that you’ll also make me look like a genius compared to you.
” never attacked you, you attacked this thread. ”
REALLY?
THIS WAS THE FIRST SECTION OF YOUR FIRST POST ON THE THREAD directed towards ME .
“. You are a woman right? I mean I’m inferring it but your shrill all cap screams sound pretty feminine to me.”
THAT is not an attack? That’s a a POLITE argument???
AND in the same FIRST post towards me : ” Hey bozo, get back to the basics ”
YOU CALLED ME, someone who has NOT posted to you “Bozo”, that is polite?
that too is not an attack?
“” never attacked you, ” Dude You can NOT even TELL the TRUTH (you already called me bozo etc in you first post) , not only are you rude, dumb but you have MEMORY problems.
if you want to be sarcastic and call people ‘woman’ and ‘bozo’ EXPECT people to get piss off and fight back and I have destroyed your statements of “““The Saudis had nothing to do with it (9/11)”
(and as for all caps I need to use it sometimes as you guys seem THICK. In truth I started using caps originally as i didn’t want to bother to figure out whether this site needed html to make ‘bold’ words and there is no edit function. Bold words is an accepted form of communication for emphasis )
and about
“you attacked this thread. ”
dude I STARTED this thread and I only got angry ANSWERING to the guy Dan who attacked me FIRST.
I didn’t start the fight but I am f-cking able to hold up my end of my argument.
AND ..
first you disparage by calling me a ‘woman’ (a sexist reference that I’m weak but never mind) then you say that I’m a BULLY.
so what you are saying is that ‘ you feel you are being BULLIED by a WOMAN’ (whom you disparage as weak ) and then writing hundreds of words WHINING ABOUT IT?
lol do you know how lame that sounds?
A continuation clarification:
Oh I love this. “(you COULD have said “I agree with your facts about the Wahabbist movement”
I love this. “(you COULD have said “I agree with your facts about the Wahabbist movement”
Gee what part of “Once again, I don’t refute your facts.” and “Sure there were Saudis involved in that” (the second 911) and “I don’t have an issue with your facts”rt of “Once again, I don’t refute your facts.” and “Sure there were Saudis involved in that” (the second 911) and “I don’t have an issue with your facts” don’t you understand.
I have no qualms about your facts. You wondered why you are getting voted down. It’s your attitude not your facts. You still haven’t figured that out, even someone as stupid as me has figured you out for a bully.
Oh and it’s just insults tossed back and forth, if you consider an attack that’s your business. I consider attacks more along the lines of what happened during the first 911 and the second 911.
Both by the way were committed by humans.
We are done here, at least I am. Feel free to keep bashing me, you seem to have a lot of vitriol left.
I’ll have to go check out the video. But I’m cynical about the results of any ‘cyberwar’. At this point, having been following the French mass murders all day, we know there was a small nest of nutjobs who pulled it off. To go scattershot after perceived ‘war’ targets, all of which will be outside of this nest of nutjobs, doesn’t bode well.
That having been said, IMHO the best response is to carry on with full blown freedom of speech now and forever. Practicing liberty should not mean death. But if that’s what it takes to maintain liberty, then let’s all be prepared to pay the price if only to be sure our future descendants have all the rights of liberty as we have them.
Eternal vigilance is not only the price of liberty; eternal vigilance is the price of human decency.
– Aldous Huxley
As to the source of ‘Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty’, the debate goes on as to its actual source. Here’s one study of the quote:
http://www.thisdayinquotes.com/2011/01/eternal-vigilance-is-price-of-liberty.html
I have been keeping up with it through tv on SkyNews app.
As I posted earlier today somewhere or other around here, I’ve been watching France24 live. I’ve been using my MBP.
Thanks Derek a fresh breath of sanity.
Whats in france?
Too mean. Christophe Gans is in France, one of my favorite film directors. They also invented French roast coffee, French toast, French fries, French kissing… 😉
Wasn’t there a movement a while back to properly recognize and rename those ideals to Freedom roast coffee, Freedom toast, Freedom fries, Freedom kissing…
all coming from Freedom of course.
I thought a bill passed in the House at one point to change them all to “Patriot” roast coffee, “Patriot” toast, “Patriot” fries, “Patriot” kissing…
all coming from a propagandist motivation to dilute the meaning of ‘Patriot’ into meaningless marketing drivel of course. 😉
Going to be honest – I think it’s good and all…
but what are they gonna do – hack their facebook accounts?
Hack a website?
This won’t really stop them, its a deterrent.
They’re going to block their Netflix access.
You’re right – this is asymmetric warfare. Islamic terrorism is widely dispersed among nearly all non-state actors (tho’ with some meaningful implicit and nearly certainly some direct support from high places in the Islamic world) (and ISIS demonstrates that taking states is close to within their grasp) – making it very difficult to combat with Western power and technology.
It’s like Hydra in the Marvel Comics universe: “We are Hydra, cut off one head and a hundred more will take its place.”
I like to say they are like Cockroaches. Because they are infesting countries and reproducing at such a rate that these infestations will be as difficult as ridding an old apartment complex of the Roaches. Because they hid in every crack available, you’ll have to poison just about everything to eliminate them all.
Or you could establish meaningful dialogue so we understand them and they understand us.
It may take generations, but earning trust and acceptance is the first step to peace. “Poisoning” them is exactly the strategy that extremists use for propaganda to lure the next generation of hopeless boys into their twisted jihad. The fact that Western leaders go into the Middle East with tanks and guns is the problem. They should arrive with moving vans and luggage, to extract the rational ones who are willing to educate their women and abide by peaceful laws. Send them to school and moderate muslims will be the best allies that the West could ever have. Keep shunning them and treating all of them like 2nd class citizens, actively prejudging them and discouraging their integration into the modern western world, and the occasional wayward kid will invariably fall for the propaganda from the wacko lunatic fringe. Just like the wacko lunatic fringe in the western world is paranoid enough to think that a massive muslim invasion could occur any second, led by the “muslim” US president … and therefore carrying sidearms in public is somehow a necessary way of life. Lunacy, meet lunacy.
It’s a joke if you think we have “generations” of time. Europe will have fallen by then. They have already set up their own countries within European countries with “No Go Zones.”
No an attack won’t occur “any second.” They are only at 1% in the USA. You don’t see serious attacks by groups of Muslims until the percent is much higher. But we will see more individuals attempting to plot and in some cases carry out small attacks. That’s happening already. The US hasn’t even reached the “No Go Areas” stage yet. But the clock is ticking.
If you think you’re going to have a dialogue and reason with these people you are crazy. Muslim’s don’t want to “understand” any of us they only understand the Koran and the Koran tells them everyone must practice Shirea Law and they want us infidels dead. That is all they understand, robotically programed by their book and Mohammad’s marching orders. We don’t have generations to do this, the terrorists are expanding NOW. And taking over countries NOW. And I do think Obama’s background of a Muslim family has some bearing on his decisions, even if he says he’s Christian.
Oh right this will have great affect. What are they going to do ? hack a camel? Be real..
…These fanatic people (and not only fanatics of this particular religion amongst dozen of all these archaism residues) are still using internet and computers. They are following believes from the middle-age, but use the nowadays technics (and weapons), sadly enough.
“The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.”
– Barack Hussein Obama Sept. 25, 2012
Thanks, Obama — you POS!
When your middle name is “Hussein” you can’t help but say shit like that and have your priorities ass backward. Unfortunate that this is our leader in this critical time in history.
Whole world is fitting them …. OPEC is hurting them by dumping oil …. And now a group of hackers, nice ….
Go get them!
I keep trying to post something but it keeps getting rejected. I hope multiple posts don’t show up here later. Sorry if that happens.
Must be a block if you copy and paste off another website so I retyped the whole thing and will try to post it again because I think it’s important to see.
That didn’t work either.
Will not accept the stats at all to post by me, even retyped, so read them here see them in the comments section. this guy nails the methodical progression and goals of the terrorists:
http://dailytrojan.com/2014/11/03/chickensh-t-gate-highlights-need-for-more-u-s-leadership/#comment-1675847468
“When there’s this many bad apples, there’s something wrong with the orchard.”
– Bill Maher