“South Korean tech giant Samsung says it has developed a wireless transmission standard hundreds of times faster than today’s 4G LTE, one that could see users downloading entire movies in seconds,” AppleInsider reports.
“Samsung on Sunday announced that it had developed a core component of its 5G network by solving a problem that has stymied the wireless industry, Yonhap News reported,” AppleInsider reports. “Using the 28GHz waveband, Samsung says it has achieved download and upload speeds of tens of gigabits per second (Gbps). Current 4G LTE networks top out at around 75 megabits (Mbps). ”
AppleInsider reports, “In practice, that speed would allow wireless users to download a full HD movie in seconds… Samsung used 64 antenna elements in order to accomplish the high-speed data transfer, and said the company expects that it can commercialize the technology by 2020… Samsung is not alone in developing next generation wireless technology, nor is its recently announced demonstration the fastest of its kind. NTT DoCoMo in February announced that it had successfully conducted a 10Gbps wireless test in Japan last year using the 11GHz band.”
Read more in the full article here.
And somehow, if it ever comes to reality, American carriers will come up with a new way to screw their customers and generally fsck things up.
I can just see my AT&T bill now. $20/second data rate.
[Samsung] “expects that it can commercialize the technology by 2020″…..really??? That soon, eh???? sheesh…..
http://www.newsy.com/videos/samsung-to-unveil-5g-by-2020/
North Korea will invade and have it ready by 2050.
Should I laugh or cry? I can’t decide.
A promise made is a debt unpaid.
Oh yeah? That’s nothing. Apple is revamping Apple Care even as we type!
They’re talking 10GB/second.
clearly some people don’t know the difference between GigaBYTE and GigaBIT…
Thank you um.. Beats me who’d vote you down.
We ARE talking about GigaBITs per second technology (Gbps or Gb/sec). NOT Gigabytes per second.
For newbies: There are 8 bits in every byte.
64 antenna elements! No wonder Samsung keeps pushing their phones to ever more user-unfriendly hand brick sizes. They need the room. Remember the old Motorola cell phones of the ’80s? Welcome them back in the form of Samdung Phalaxy hand bricks of the 20-teens.
I’m envisioning something literally the size of a BRICK with the Samsung logo on it, 64 wire antennas sticking out of the top of the thing and flopping over like a fiber optic fountain, or like wild hippy hair. Wave it around to amuse the kids. Scare the cat with it. Watch the dog attack it and shake it around in its teeth to break its neck. Fun for the whole family! Samsung.
4G is still way to slow, bring this stuff on ASAP
Wait until ACTUAL 4G mobile technology, aka LTE Advanced, hits the streets. It will be about 4X FASTER than the current LTE technology bogusly being called ‘4G’ by Marketing Morons. 😕
2020? Lines are forming I am sure.
Until 2020, it’s just vapor. The real news today is that Samsung makes cheap knock-off crap and gets away with it. If Apple tried this, it would be all over the news. Well, at least NYT and WSJ.
5G is not an invention or technology. Rather, it is a generation jump compromised of several technologies and infrastructure. If you remember 4G/LTE/HSPA+ chaos. That’s why Apple didn’t adopt the so-called generation because it was spotty at best when first introduced. 2020 is perhaps possible but then they have to roll out the 5G infrastructure. More antennas!
And it’s already showing competing technologies for 5G. If we have 5G by 2020, I’d be shocked (real, true 10GB/sec load times, not some marketing 5G).
Wireless providers are already taking years and investing billions of dollars to roll out LTE, so now they’re going to jump on additional billions for 5G in 7 years? I doubt it.
Careful with your specs. We’re talking about 10 Gb (GigaBIT) per second. NOT Gigabyte.
First, Samsung *demonstrated* 1 Gbps (not GBps). They did not demonstrate 10s of Gbps. That’s just the theoretical limit of the waveform.
Second, it is based upon 32 x 32 MIMO. Thus the system needs to differentiate at least 32 *different* paths in order to achieve those data rates. Cell phone towers will need to be a minimum of three sets of 32 antennas. That will be costly.
Third, it is going to be a HUGE design challenge (but not impossible) to implement 32 distinct antennas in a cell phone. {Maybe that’s why Samsung’s phones are getting larger and larger and larger — a 15″ diagonal screen cell phone could realistically have 32 distinct antennas.)
Fourth, the system is implemented at 28 GHz which has over 300 times the atmospheric losses as the 800 MHz to 1.9 GHz frequencies of today’s cell phones. I just can’t wait to have to say, “Damn, my connection dropped back to LTE-A because it’s raining!”
Fifth, LTE-A already supports speeds up to 1 Gbps download and 500 Mbps upload. There have already been a few scattered implementations and several major carriers will be rolling out LTE-A in late 2013 and 2014. LTE-A will get a LOT of maturity between 2014 and 2020. LTE-A at 1 Gbps will be an old, tried and true implementation long before 2020.
Sixth, there are several competing standards for “5G”. Samsung’s implementation is just one of those many. If I had to lay a bet at the moment, I’d choose the 3GPP committee’s evolving waveform. They’ve had the widest release and most accepted version (3G UMTS/HSPA, LTE, LTE-A) of the last few generations. I see no reason for their string to end.
Could some part of Samsung’s demonstrated implementation end up in the “5G” standard? Certainly. Will the “5G” standard be 100% based upon Samsung’s implementation? Absolutely not.
Shadowself has pointed out a number of significant issues. The most significant of them as far as I’m concerned is the use of 28GHz. At such extremely high frequencies, radio waves behave more like light than conventional RF and it’s very easy to disrupt the signal.
It’s hard to imagine how this technology could be of practical use in real world situations. It’s more of a laboratory experiment to demonstrate a concept ( and impress journalists who don’t understand such things ).
Having said that, I was involved in some very early BlueTooth demonstrations about twenty years ago and they were ridiculously unreliable and virtually unusable – we resorted to faking the results for a TV show. I was convinced at the time that BlueTooth was unlikely to ever work reliably, but Samsung are now talking about working at ten times that frequency.
Thank you Shadowself for providing seriously great information. There is very little of it around here regarding mobile technology. I’ve been doing my best to post what meagre data I can find and comprehend. It looks like you’ve got some solid training and understanding of the field! Please stick around.
[For newbies: LTE-A = LTE Advanced, which I cover in further detail below…]
To get its 5G adopted SS would have to incorporate it into SEP/FRAND process. A lot can happend in 7 years.
IASSOTS. Marketing Morons At Work!
There is NO SUCH THING as 5G. It’s merely a concept looking for a standard, which thus far does not exist.
Meanwhile, despite 4G being a REAL standard, you can’t actually get REAL 4G anywhere on the planet!!! Hopefully real 4G will arrive by the end of this year. We shall see.
Some data:
5G @Wikipedia.org
5G (5th generation mobile networks or 5th generation wireless systems) is a term used in some research papers and projects to denote the next major phase of mobile telecommunications standards beyond the current 4G/IMT-Advanced standards. 5G does not describe any particular specification in any official document published by any telecommunication standardization body.
Want to learn about the REAL 4G standard? Check this out:
In March 2008, the International Telecommunications Union-Radio communications sector (ITU-R) specified a set of requirements for 4G standards, named the International Mobile Telecommunications Advanced (IMT-Advanced) specification, setting peak speed requirements for 4G service at 100 megabits per second (Mbit/s) for high mobility communication (such as from trains and cars) and 1 gigabit per second (Gbit/s) for low mobility communication (such as pedestrians and stationary users).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G
So where will the first implementations of ACTUAL 4G mobile technology begin? In Russia; NOT the USA. 😯
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTE_Advanced
On 9 October, 2012, Russian carrier Yota launched the first-ever commercial implementation of the technology, at 11 of its base-stations around Moscow. However compatible handsets won’t be available until the first-half of 2013.
IOW: In Russia, right NOW.
Meanwhile, in the USA, according to FierceWireless.com:
Most experts believe commercial carrier aggregation technology will launch later this year–but compatible devices might not hit the market until 2014.
Data speeds of LTE Advanced:
Peak download: 1 Gbit/s
Peak upload: 500 Mbit/s
And furthermore! The next question of concern:
http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/roadmap-lte-advanced/2013-02-21
Will LTE Advanced be labeled “5G” by the marketing folks and hyped the way 4G was? Analysts are hoping that won’t be the case.
There are such things as Marketing Mavens. They actually value facts and ‘the truth’ as well as respect their customers. These days, Marketing Mavens are incredibly rare and incredibly valuable. If you’ve got one, hang onto them!
My understanding of wireless technogy says that this will not be available in a phone or anywhere anytime soon. We have problems as it is with LTE and the higher frequencies to achieve higher speed. Outside the city the 900 MHz band is widely used here in Sweden for mobile broadband. 1800 Mhz is used most in the city where base stations are closer to each other. As it is the 1800 MHz band has a much harder time penetrating walls than the 900 MHz band. So outside the city or inside the speed will be greatly reduced. With 28 GHz you probably have to stand 3 feet away from the base station go get any where close to that speed. The will probably make into some future WiFi-standard or mobile coverage inside buildings, shopping centres and such.