“While patents are the most important part of Oracle’s lawsuit against Google, the copyright infringement part shouldn’t be underestimated. Google is currently trying to get rid of it on summary judgment, but Oracle defends its related claims,” Florian Mueller reports for FOSS Patents.
“One of Oracle’s allegations of direct copying of code from the Java codebase into Android is a function that is in the Arrays class of Java and resurfaced in the Android TimSort class,” Mueller reports. “Google said (in its motion for summary judgment on the copyright infringement claims) that ‘[t]hose nine lines (which are the same in both of the Android files) implement a mundane utility function.’ So rather than denying that there was copying in play, Google argues that it should be allowed to copy such small amounts of code.”
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Mueller writes, “It’s quite interesting to see that the copied code segment shown [in the full article] was created by a Google engineer — not a third party — and the said engineer (Joshua Bloch, who previously worked for Sun and whose title at Google used to be, or still is, Chief Java Architect) even admitted in a deposition that he likely had access to the original Sun code when he wrote that code segment.”
Much more in the full article here.
Google thinks it will prevail inlenghthy litigation by outsmarting the courts and the plaintiffs with demagoguery and obfuscation of the issues…
Guss what ‘assholes are us’ ? You’re up against some heavy hitters who know how to hit way-out of the park.
Please repeat that.
Google thinks it will prevail inlenghthy litigation by outsmarting the courts and the plaintiffs with demagoguery and obfuscation of the issues…
Guess what ‘assholes are us’ ? You’re up against some heavy hitters who know how to hit way-out of the park.
YOU CAN SAY THAT AGAIN!
DON’T WORRY, HE WILL. AND AGAIN, AND AGAIN, AND AGAIN…AD INFINITUM!!!!
YES, I DID SAY THAT…AGAIN…AND AGAIN…REPEAT, RINSE, WASH, ALL THE TIME!!!!!
WHAT? YOU CAN’T HEAR ME? I’LL SHOUT IT OUT EVEN LOUDER!!!!
BREEZE IS LIKE THAT PIECE OF MEAT CAUGHT BETWEEN YOUR TEETH. HE WON’T GO AWAY AND HE’LL REPEAT HIMSELF TO DEATH.
Yes. Cuz meat has a repeat function.
Hehe
Dingleberries?
Ha!! You said dingleberries.
Lol.
So when oracle pointed out the code, they were not lying?
Say it ain’t so google… You would *never* copy other peoples work….. Right?… Right? 😉
“..rather than denying that there was copying in play, Google argues that it should be allowed to copy such small amounts of code.”
This might be a small bit of code, but it is a complete function. That’s what copyright directly addresses.
“This might be a small bit of code, but it is a complete function. That’s what copyright directly addresses.”
I wrote ‘Hello World” and I am going to sue every Tom, Dick, and their brother Harry at Apple for stealing my code at some time in their career.
I am going to shut Apple down by the time I am through.
Unless you were the first to write “Hello World”, you can sftu.
Jason
“sftu” = “some frig tard user”?
The difference between Oracle and a company like Microsoft? Larry Ellison. He will absolutely murder your face. Google fscked with the wrong CEO.
+1
Larry’s a Pitbull.
Larry is Steve’s neighbor and friend as well …..
Google is screwed BIG TIME with at least a BIG three front attack from Oracle, Apple and Softy …..
There are over 50 large chunks of code that are verbatim from Java – not just some trivial 9 lines. Most are entire class files.
yeah, this is what will hurt Google in this case.
If it were just 9 lines.. still copying but the argument would be weaker.
Google=screwed.
what are there, like 87+ lawsuits against them over Android?… For whatever reason i keep think that 87 number. I know MDN posted a site with all of them, way too many to remember.
A few even have the same commented out lines!
IP theft is “evil” in my book. Google, look how far you’ve strayed.
When everyone’s got their head buried in the sand, you can be as evil as you like as long as you say you’re not evil. Pathetic but true.
This is hilarious. It reminds me of a line from Steve Martin’s comedy Book “Pure Drivel”. There’s this part in the book where he’s doing a satyrical lesson on writing and he says something like, you can safely copy up to 3 sentences of some one else’s book and no one will know, 2 lines if it’s a friends book. I’m paraphrasing but I laughed my ass off when I read this. All I could hear was Steve Martin in my head reading that headline.
er….Steve Marting is a Satyr?
Who knew?
9 lines of code that are powering the entire Android infrastructure. Arrays are a basic data structure and critical. Maybe 9 lines, but I bet its more. Even at 9, without those 9, the entire Android OS would not run or even boot. Sorry Google – you lose, again.
See my post above.
Google has gone from “Don’t be evil” to “Do not develop in the open” – http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/09/07/do-not-develop-in-the-open
I hope Oracle wins.
In the process they will undermine the open source license on the full runtime and scare anyone from using java as a foundation.
Google will pay a fine, rewrite some basic functions and Oracle’s destruction of everything good that Sun built will be closer to complete.
What a douche bag operation Larry has going.
Lets see… almost all the legendary Sun technical fellows bailed after the Oracle transition. Most open source supporters can’t stand oracle and it was made appartent when almost all major contributors to open office moved to a forked version not under Oracle’s stewardship.
Oracle makes MS look good. I can’t think of a more predatory company that sticks its customers with sky high licensing myself.
We have been moving away from Oracle as much as possible at work. Their database scales like nothing else but damn its an expensive mother.
Anyone who supports Oracle is against innovation imho because these guys are nothing more than a good ole’ boys club that likes to charge heavy fees for the same old mediocre crap with a new revision number at the end.
Do know evil.
Android SHREADING: Death by a thousand cuts…
Copying from a single source: copyright infringement.
Copying from more than one source: research.