Apple recently released their new editing software Final Cut Pro X and Conan’s editors absolutely love it!
Direct link to video via Teamcoco here.
MacDailyNews Take: Funny video.
Now, while 99.99% of Conan’s audience wonder “WTF was that?!” might we suggest that a better use of time would have been for his “editors” to RTFM instead of mindlessly trashing something they’ve obviously not properly explored?
You can’t teach old dogs new tricks, but you can laugh at them as they stomp their paws and threaten to turn blue.
(Keep in mind that in previous lives we went from 3/4-inch to 1-inch A/B roll editing — not to mention MII, Betacam SP, Digital Betacam, etc. — to Avid Media Composers to Final Cut Pro, so we know more than a little something about editing and learning new paradigms.)
The fact is that your old FCP is still there. Take some time and give FCP X a chance. Yes, currently there are issues with FCP X and, yes, they will be addressed – hopefully very quickly.
So, been there, done that. Whine, bitch and moan all you want, but we guarantee that the world will move forward regardless.
[Thanks to MacDailyNews Reader “krquet” for the heads up.]
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Final Cut X is INCREDIBLE. Hooray!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah have fun editing those weddings and local commercials
I think this site is hilarious!
To basically watch them attack Apple’s own user base just puts it all in perspective if you ask me.
I think some of the complaints are legit! (Tape Workflow is STILL HUGE!) but some of them are bother-line asinine people don’t even know how to use the program yet but they complain about not being able to place and store projects in different places! wrong. So yes MDN (I can’t believe I’m actually defending MDN!!!) is right on calling some of these people out. These are not real editors they just want to fan outrage, the new application is going to take time to develop and I for 1 cannot wait (hurry up with multi-cam already apple!).
I wasn’t aware it was MDN’s job to ‘call out’ Apple’s own users and customers when they don’t agree 110% that the latest batch of koolaid is revolutionary and will change the world overnight.
lol. This place is f*cked up if you really think about for a moment.
Just admit that all Apple does is perfect and any other opinion is a shortcoming of your own intellectual ineffectiveness and you’ll be OK here. HAHA.
You haven’t been reading MDN for long or you’d know that MDN rips Apple whenever Apple deserves to be ripped.
For example:
How hard is it to make a white iPhone 4?
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I’ve been viewing this site daily for the last 6 or 7 years. It is EXTREMELY rare that MDN rips Apple when they deserve to be ripped.
Now, they offer some very mild criticism once in a great while, but I think you are the one who hasn’t been here long.
HUGE like dinosaur huge? Maybe because dinosaurs are using it. Time for extinction.
And we all remember what happened to the dinosaurs 😉
Knee-jerk reactions always get the same reaction from MDN, no matter who the culprit is.
People act like FP7 has suddenly stopped working. It has not.
It may still work, but the FCP X installs “moves” it to a “special” location on your hard drive–and the suite has been pulled from the web site.
Huh? Hmmm? Huh? Hummm? What?!?!
What professional does a major mission-critical software install without first cloning their boot drive and archiving their software installers? Uh, not me. Heck, I won’t even let Software Update run when I’m in the middle of a job.
Apple already stated that some of the crap users are whining about, were not ready yet. And it will be added later.
People just like to bitch moan and complain.
We didn’t cut RIM any slack for promising missing features will be added later to the Playbook, so why cut Apple slack for saying missing features in Final Cut Pro will be added later?
I said in one ofthe other attack threads, apple should have waited.
If it’s half baked, why didn’t they call it a beta?
It’s not ready for the “pro” moniker… unless it was called iMovie Pro.
Pro-sumer? A.k.a. iMoveie Pro?
“…why don’t they call it beta?”
Because you don’t understand the term beta in reference to software. Beta software doesn’t work as intended, it has bugs and glitches that haven’t been worked out yet. FCPX works as intended it’s just not feature complete. There’s a difference.
When they iPhone first came out, it was not feature complete, no cut/copy/paste, no MMS etc. It was not beta though, and neither is FCPX.
At least Apple has taken the trouble to pursue a full 64-bit native rewrite. Are some key elements missing? Sounds like it. Are some key complainers missing some of the elements that already exist? Seems likely. They haven’t had a chance to adapt, yet.
This is a little like the early versions of Mac OS X. I stayed on the classic OS until 10.2 – no big deal. I gave it a chance to mature until I was comfortable with the upgrade. As MrMcLargeHuge points out, FCP7 *still* exists. If it does the job and FCP X doesn’t, then provide constructive feedback to Apple and keep on working with FCP7.
Apple has done many great things over the years. But the company does screw up once in a while. You have to take risks in order to succeed. Maybe this is one of those times that they fouled up. Or, perhaps, this is just a bit of a rocky start to a great new evolution of the product that will go far beyond your expectations. With Apple, you never know when the genius will manifest and new horizons open up.
Go ahead and poke fun at Apple. Go ahead and lambast them, if you feel the need. But, in the end, you will likely find that Apple comes closest to providing what you really need and like.
Sorry. But they deserve to be ripped here. Both Apple and MDN. I don’t believe for second that anyone at MDN has ever worked in a professional production environment. Just because they mention tape formats and a few old cameras doesn’t mean sh#& to me. If they had they would be signing a different tune.
I frequently do very large shows with 8 or more cameras in very large venues. The lack of multicam alone precludes me from using what appears to be a product aimed at the “prosumer” instead of the actual pro. Good luck with that Apple. Sure there are far more prosumers than pros off of whom they can make money but this doesn’t bode well for their toehold in professional media.
Pros expected another major update. What we got is something that appears to not be worth the time to “upgrade”. Maybe when they fix all of the problems they’ve created for real pros then the real pros will adopt it. Until then they will either stick with FCP7 or go another way.
Whoop-dee-doo. If you are a pro, then your gig was spec’d with the gear needed for the job. Face it, you might be an 8 camera show, but you’re a niche player in a niche ‘pro’ world. That means you should be familiar using big boy patience and very used to this standard operating procedure. Hardly ever is a busy working pro environment ready for a new ANYTHING on day 1, much less week 1 or month 1 of its release.
Further… every tech grunt has his work machine with work software, and his play machine for playing and new toys. Like I’d be kinda surprised if you were surfing here on the work machine, would kinda put a dent in your pro claim. So assuming you’re all Mary-Ann and no Ginger, you know exactly where to install FCPX for the required incubation. Translation: your ‘professional’ critique and disdain above, is kinda out of sync with the air of superiority your ‘professional’ claims are trying to cultivate.
I could be wrong, but you sound more like you just wanted some new toys and an easy upgrade. But face it, pro video is the dismal armpit of the professional creative software world and desperately needs a shave and deodorant. Its all clunky and stupid, not to put too fine a point on it… but pro video has fallen even further down the ugly tree than pro audio! Methed-out road trash are picking scabs off each other in sleazy motels outside El Paso… while still rocking better software than anything you guys have in pro video.
Its also highly amusing to watch dorks trying to accumulate wizard points by proclaiming this new perceived heresy as iMovie Pro. Why are you all always whining about iMovie to the rest of us? I kinda thought you knew, that we ALL think iMovie is the only video app that doesn’t look like crappy PC security camera software from 1994. Is it threatening to hip-up and simplify the magical dungeon technology of your nerd caves? If Apple actually made iMovie Pro, then we wouldn’t need loud shrieking creatures with claws deformed by archaic 3-button mice and ‘Centipede’ rollerball wheels, to perform their bewildering, seemingly nonsensical magic into cryptic dinosaur UIs and filing systems.
Here’s a fun game for all your non-video pros, count up all the different distinct video players you’ve had to encounter, and the special codecs required to just play a lousy 30 second clips from a link some idiot emailed you. Then see how many you can count before you want to slap a video professional. My best was up to .asf, but I almost got to divx!
I have worked with FCP in one form or another for the past 20 years. Do I think it is perfewct? NO!!! Does it have flaws?? YES!!!!! Is there anything better out there…in my opinion NO!!!! So if we can’t laugh at what we are the consumers of then some of us need to get a sense of humor and relax!
Video doesn’t work on iPads
@MDN,
Imagine if when you went to Digital Betacam that there was no way whatsoever to import video from any other format besides VHS.
That’s a WTF analogy of FCPX not being able to import projects from any version of Final Cut, even though it can import from iMovie.
This is a HUGE problem for real pros (especially studios) that have project templates that they’d need to either recreate or wait in hopes that Apple will add the ability to import.
Likewise, you can upload to YouTube/Friend/Facester, but you can’t export with specific settings unless you go through Compressor (sold separately).
Final Cut Pro X has some features that I love. And the speed is really incredible. I’m migrating to it now, but I can see how many real pros will have to wait.
Apple should have released this as Final Cut X and announced that Pro would be coming soon and follow in the same model.
Did Apple come over and delete your old FCP from your hard drive?
Both FCP and FCP X exist during the transition and solutions to will arise to address editors’ needs.
@MDN,
“Did Apple come over and delete your old FCP from your hard drive?”
Yes, as a matter of fact they did.
Keep in mind, I said that I was migrating. I’m happy with FCPX despite the obvious major flaws from a Pro perspective.
While FCP is still useable, the ability to use it moving forward is unknown and it’s no longer sold, so that’s not an answer. It’s a common excuse for whenever a developer releases a bad upgrade “just keep using the old”, that’s great, but then you’re still looking at the new product and asking, “why did you do this?” Worse, with Apple, you’re stuck not knowing anything about what will happen the very next day.
Again, it’s an issue in a studio environment where you’d be looking at adding workstations and stuck with incompatibilities between new workstations with FCPX and old ones with FCP.
I’m happy with many things about FCPX, as much of it works great for me and it’s a great price, but Apple *did* drop the ball on some of this, and if “keep using the old until the pro stuff is implemented” is the answer, then Apple rushed this to market in a way that I’d expect Microsoft to do.
I can respect that it was time for a complete overhaul, and as such this is a version 1.0 product, which accounts for a variety of bugs, but providing compatibility should’ve been one of the top requirements.
Forget the pro-technical aspect, just from a marketing perspective, think of this:
Anyone with FCP today can look at upgrading to FCPX or migrating to another vendor. FCP is very long in the tooth and users have been holding on for quite some time. However now, there’s nothing to tie them into “upgrading”. Buying FCPX gives no advantages that a normal upgrade would give. Your projects don’t transfer. Your knowledge and experience don’t transfer. Your workflow doesn’t transfer. Less tangible things like the approach and method doesn’t transfer. Ironically, switching vendors may result in more compatibility than “upgrading” to FCPX for many pros.
Really? Someone from Apple literally came in and deleted FCP7 from your computer?
Why do people ask stuff like this? People who use this software daily in their work flows while collaborating with others are saying that the product fails to offer what they need and what they expect. It’s true, apparently. Many features are missing. Why attack people who are pointing out that a product needs improvement. This is Apple software, not in inerrant word of God. They are perfectly in their right to complain about this software. Many of the concerns are legitimate. Apple can’t just arbitrarily say that Video is dead. They don’t get credit for making a statement that eventually they will add back multicam support. The software should be judged for it’s currently shipped state. It truly is idiotic to default to storing the video like iMovie would do it. It is idiotic not to support importing old projects.
Yes, nobody took away their old version. But they are commenting on the suitability and use of the new version. It doesn’t yet pass muster for many of them. Dropping features because they’ve been around for a long time makes absolutely no sense. MDN, climb off people’s backs and come back to Earth.
Frankly MDN’s fanboy defense of Apple is misguided. They put out a product that is not ready to replace the previous version in many professional editors’ workflows.
…so in the meantime your weddings retirement videos and local commercials ARE GONNA LOOK AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes right. The PROS do not know how to use the new app!!!
HAHA, ridiculous, PROS made this video on Conan!
No matter what you may think the PROS are not impressed and will move on IF Apple does not fix this real fast!
“PROS” – at slamming a product they don’t fully understand.
The real “PRO” editors work in film, not for TB-fscking-S.
Great post from FCP Guru Phillip Hodgetts on “What The Heck Is A Pro Anyway?” re: FCP X and the professional editors who use it..
http://www.philiphodgetts.com/2011/05/what-the-heck-is-a-pro-anyway/
Those film pros can’t use it either right now.
Someone should tell Conan that it’s Final Cut Pro “10” (like OS X) and not “X” like they keep saying in the video.
FCP was badly in need of an overhaul; e.g. not having to wait for “rendering to complete” is huge for workflow efficiency.
Yet it seems Apple could have matured the software more during its beta phase rather than release it with some strong deficiencies, or at the very least done a better job of PR due diligence with the professional editing community.
MacWorld has this to say about some of the “shortcomings” http://www.macworld.com/article/160725/2011/06/fcpx_quirks.html#lsrc.rss_main
The MW article mentions: “editing a clip after using the “Open in Timeline” command in Final Cut Pro X will modify the source file”.
Now that defines hobby quality edit software and is the ultimate show stopper right there! You do not alter source material while editing.
It was funny. 😛
Sorry, MDN, but you’re wrong. It’s not a pro app anymore. And again, that’s fine, it’s theirs and they can do whatever they want with it. But no one (and no one knows better than pro editors, the people who edit for a living) can credibly call FCP X, A) an improvement and B) a professional application.
Amen!
Bullshit. Final Cut Pro X is a professional-level application for a ridiculously low price. The missing pieces will come from Apple and third-parties. Ground-up version one apps never come fully-baked. Final Cut Pro X is an amazing professional application. The people who are complaining don’t like change and can’t accept that the paradigm has just shifted.
Exactly!
pro-sumer price tag = pro-sumer product……..and now…..you’re boring, and my delete button works.
Come on, MDN. Lighten up a bit. They were just having some fun.
MDN word “Sense”
… as in Humor, get one.
BTW… MAC… OS “ex” …so sensitive.
Again, funny video. We just don’t like seeing what is really an amazing piece of software trashed mainly because it changes the editing world and pushes it forward.
I’ve read this site for a years… I can’t recall MDN ever responding to a comment.
Jack left early for the weekend and left a young’un in charge.
Eff that. I think it’s a good change of pace. But running a site it seems risky to do it a lot.
Gosh… Sorry!!
I guess we forgot that web/text editors have all the same expertise and experience as audio/video/film editors.
Jeez, I hope this isn’t another Aperture or MobileMe in the making. Apple’s great but they do have their screwups from time to time.
Hey, I resemble that remark – Aperture is the bee’s knees. 1.0 was a bit rocky, though.
Won’t play on my computer. The ads play, but then the video never starts. Yay.
“Pros” will probably just continue to use what they are currently making money with until the .2 or .3 release, and then learn it if they perceive a benefit.
These jackasses probably want to use floppy disks running OS9 attached to a dot matrix priter communicating over a 1200 baud modem.
People LOVE to complain. It’s FAR easier to “motivate” a lazy ass to bitch than it is to get a true professional to lavish praise. The pro is too busy figuring out how to adapt to a new paradigm to waste time whining about their cheese being moved.
Fine by me. Gives me that much more time to learn FCPX and distance myself even further from the pack.
Funny video, making light of a bad situation for high end users.
Countless movies, commercials and TV shows that you will see this week have been edited on Final Cut Pro. One year from now we will see those productions edited on Adobe and Avid products.
I have always liked how often in movies, if there is a laptop in the scene it’s a MacBook Pro…That’s going to change. Apple just pulled the rug out from under its’ high end users and trainers.
A Final Cut Pro reference? Wow. Way to totally not get your audience Conan :S
Sounds like a lot of CUSTOMERS don’t like it. They are the ones’ shelling out the bucks, right? Most customers who don’t like the software will not complain verbally or in this case, online.
Software customers are like restaurant customers… They complaint with their feet, as they walk out of the door, or in this case walk away from the product to another product that allows them to do what they want.
If you don’t like it dont buy it. Who is forcing editors to buy final cut x. My job uses xp and people bitched about vista and 7 but no one forced them to upgrade so they didn’t. why complain about a product as if someone is making you use it. It’s not oxygen. I am getting it as soon as a training manual is released. I don’t use any of those old format and I shoot in HD. I have final cut 5 and it has been good to me. I am willing to learn something new, plus it’s way cheaper than the 1299 price of FC studio.
It’s a comedy show. A very cynical one at that. Comedy. One that has a cigar smoking dog and a masturbating bear. Comedy.
I don’t know the strengths and weaknesses of the new FCP. But I find Conan’s approach (if it WAS meant to be serious criticism dressed up as humor) unprofessional.
The software was released just days ago. I am assuming here that Conan’s video people are previous users of FCP. If they are, I would think the professional approach would be to first approach Apple and let your concerns be known.
I would expect real pros, especially those working in as huge an industry as commercial TV, to actually work with the software producers to try and find solutions. It’s not like the old software you have been using is suddenly unusable the minute the new version came out! I’m sure video pros who use Apple software have some kind of working relationship with Cupertino.
To throw a product which Apple surely spent countless hours working on under the bus just for cheap laughs is not . . . funny! Anti-Apple forces are going to jump on this, and this clip is going to be replayed forever.
Maybe Conan meant it to be tongue-in-cheek, but obviously, the unintended consequences were not thought out properly.
Having said that, I remain a firm fan of Conan, one of the funniest guys on TV! And I hope Apple has the last laugh after they have sorted out whatever shortcomings the new FCP has.
Apple should commission Jay Leno to fire back at Conan.
“NBC delivered the final cut to Conan because he wasn’t a pro!”
R.I.P. FCP
NO ONE is forcing you whining assholes to upgrade. If, in 2011, you are still using tape, then what possible problem could you have continuing to run FCP7 for the same decade past its “expiration date” as you have with tape? You haven’t kept up with technology until now. Why the urgent need to start?
I upgraded, haven’t messed with new FC yet, but I’ll put my cards on Apple to have a improved version and not the mess some think it is. I think it’s a work around issue. I think Adobe has made us all think the newer version is a digression from the last one and it set our minds on that expectation. I also think there’s some truth to competitors blasting the new software… as for some of the issue that still need to be done (like the multi edits) there are tons of improvements I can already see. In the end, I have faith in Apple.