Steve Jobs: Adobe is ‘lazy’, Google can’t ‘kill iPhone,’ ‘Don’t be evil’ mantra is ‘bullshit’

“After a big public announcement of the sort Apple had this week for the iPad CEO Steve Jobs often takes time in the day or two afterwards to have a Town Hall at One Infinite Loop, making himself available for questions from employees bold enough to stand up and take one right between the eyes,” John C. Abell reports for Wired.

“This time, the big topics included Google and Adobe,” Abell reports. “Jobs, characteristically, did not mince words as he spoke to the assembled, according to a person who was there who could not be named because this person is not authorized by Apple to speak with the press.”

• On Google: We did not enter the search business, Jobs said. They entered the phone business. Make no mistake they want to kill the iPhone. We won’t let them, he says. Someone else asks something on a different topic, but there’s no getting Jobs off this rant. I want to go back to that other question first and say one more thing, he says. This don’t be evil mantra: “It’s bullshit.” Audience roars.

• About Adobe: They are lazy, Jobs says. They have all this potential to do interesting things but they just refuse to do it. They don’t do anything with the approaches that Apple is taking, like Carbon. Apple does not support Flash because it is so buggy, he says. Whenever a Mac crashes more often than not it’s because of Flash. No one will be using Flash, he says. The world is moving to HTML5.

Full article here.

MacDailyNews Note: As is often the case with these type of reports, the details of exactly what was said are disputed. Case in point:

John Gruber reports, “A little birdie emailed to say that while the gist is right, the Wired transcript is clearly paraphrased: ‘He actually said ‘teams at Google want to kill us.’ He never said it in a way that made it sound like the whole company did. Mostly just the Android team.’ Another little birdie in attendance tells me, ‘The quote was actually, ‘Don’t be evil is a load of crap,” and that Jobs was nostalgic about the kick-ass Adobe of old.”

Full article here.

Arnold Kim reports for MacRumors on other things Jobs’ discussed:

• Apple will deliver aggressive updates to iPhone that Android/Google won’t be able to keep up with; next iPhone coming is an A+ update
• iPad is up there with the iPhone and Mac as the most important products Jobs has been a part of
• New Macs for 2010 are going to take Apple to the next level

More details in the full article here.

MacDailyNews Note: Not discussed at the meeting, but we’ve been hearing that the multitasking capabilities of iPhone OS (used by iPhone, iPod touch and iPad) will be “expanded” with the release of 4.0. (Multitasking, of course, has always been present in iPhone OS for select Apple apps). The iPhone OS 4.0 release date is unknown, but it’s suspected to be available to the public by June and rumored to support iPhone 3G, iPhone 3GS, iPod touch 2G, and, of course, iPad.

MacDailyNews Take: “Why does Google hate Apple product users? Because in the absence of any new ideas, Google’s stooped to tapping an old one: Copy Apple until the cows come home (moo) and attempt to become the next Microsoft. Google hates users of Apple products because Apple product users can clearly see that Google’s rushed, never-quite-finished knockoffs, just like Microsoft’s, are inferior to products they’ve had in their hands for years, not to mention that users of Apple products understand that Google’s ‘don’t be evil’ mantra is meaningless PR bullshit.” – MacDailyNews Take, December 01, 2009


  1. Adobe has been dragging its feet since Apple moved to the PowerPC. No Cocoa version of Photoshop. No 64-bit version of Photoshop for Mac like there is for Windows. Ugly resource-hogging AIR apps instead of native.

    And Flash is an abomination. Videos and games and ads were one thing. But encouraging web developers have Flash take over the basic functions of entire websites (menus, buttons) was just plain disgusting.

    Apple and Adobe practically owe their very existence to each other back in the day. It’s really a shame to see the relationship deteriorate so badly.

  2. Adobe is dishonestly and blatantly in denial. Any Mac user their tech support with issues or complaints about Flash will be lied to while Adobe’s arrogant tech support specialists (hah) pretend that they are not aware of any Flash problems, accuse Apple’s OS updates for the problems and/or waste you time on hold for ages only to return (if they do) and promise to get back after looking into your problem further.

    This a routine practices daily by Adobe over the last two years at least and I know of at least 6 long time registered Adobe users who have had bad experiences of this sort.

    Adobe has become nasty and arrogant to us Mac users to which they owe their entrenchment to.

  3. I would love to see a webcam in the ipad, but where would it go? The top? The side? And if you put one front-facing but not outward-facing, what kind of crap would people be giving Apple then? You would have to put 4 cameras to make everyone happy. I think Apple feels confident they can get away with not pleasing everyone and still being profitable and successful.

  4. @ MacMan,

    Did you ever consider the idea that people really do not want to see your face? Just a thought.

    By the way, what’s your opinion of glossy screens?

  5. I hate adobe, I don’t use their products anymore. They have the worse customer service. it’s true what jobs said ” they are lazy” . they just want to make money. I can live without adobe products and I’m a photographers. Apple needs to release Aperture 3 please

  6. Why do you think the guy was kicked out of Apple board? Google insider at Apple are being purged out. Yeah you can guess what they were doing at Apple while pretending to be such a good friend and partner to go against MS. Too bad Jobs didn’t see that coming fast enough to kick them out earlier.

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