“Was Steve Jobs trying to send an unofficial message to Adobe Systems? Something on the order of ‘get it in gear, guys, if you want to stay on my VIP list?’ As my colleague Tom Krazit reported Tuesday afternoon, Jobs used the Apple shareholders’ meeting to publicly dismiss the the full-blown PC Flash version as ‘too slow to be useful’ on the iPhone,” Charles Cooper reports for CNET. “He then went on to describe the mobile version–Flash Lite–as ‘not capable of being used with the Web.'”
“That’s an unusual–albeit refreshingly frank–way to talk in public about a business partner. Give Jobs credit for speaking his mind, although I very much doubt Adobe appreciated his candor,” Cooper reports. “I tried to get a comment from Adobe, which has worked closely with Apple over the years.”
Read Adobe’s official non-answer answer to Cooper’s question in the full article here.
[Thanks to MacDailyNews Reader “NeverFade” for the heads up.]
MacDailyNews Take: We’re surprised Microsoft Adobe even had time to issue their meaningless response; aren’t they still hard at work on the Photoshop Universal Binary? Xcode, boys, Xcode.
Chrissy, you didn’t write the press release, did you?
The optimized Flash lite plug-in for the iPhone probably sits on one Adobe programmer’s HD next to the OS X Intel-native Shockwave player. If at all.
“Thin gruel” M-m-m-m–m–m
So i guess because Steve said flash is “crap” we all have to hate it now?
Is this a mac daily news or Steve jobs worship site?
@ eMax. This is a Steve Jobs worship site. I love it…
Now, wait, let’s not be dissing Adobe. I love my Mac and my Adobe products.
@eMax
I thought Flash was crap long before Steve Jobs gave the public a reason why Flash isn’t (and won’t be) on the iPhone.
Feel free to make up your own mind.
eMax, you are a FOOL!!! Your BLATHERINGS and GLOTZWEILS are not profound. I AM profound! You are nothing but a puny little girly man with LAZY NOODLES for biceps … I AM de GOVERNATOR … You and Steve Jobs are NOTHING without my BLOGalicious profundities and things of this nature … I will KICK APPLE OUT of CruperTIN-O and I will do it while SIMOOLTANEUSLEEE holding a 1991 VW BEETLE over my head VIT ONE ARM!!!!
KaliFORNia is MINE TO RUN as I see fit! This Adobe nonsense is all smoke and mirrors … unlike my all-time super-dooper Holiday smash hit JINGLE ALL DE VAAAAYYYYYYY!!!!!! WHICH IS STILL NOT ON iTUNES YET! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Ooh, und by de vay — thin gruel is very good for you. I used to mix it with my STEROIDS when I was still training and using de MARYjuana! I instruct you NIMBLENOMBYS to add it to your FLITZENSTREUBEN for breakfast in ze morning!!!! Now GO — STOP pestering ze greatest movie star OF ALL TIME wit dis NONsense!
Interestingly, Charles Cooper of CNET is a well-known Apple-disser.
Even after Bruce Chizen chided Steve Jobs at the Intel-announcement WWDC when he said “What took you so long?”, it still took Bruce’s company years to come up with a Intel version of anything….
i wish Apple would just buy Adobe.
I agree, flash sucks.
I thought over the life span of a product it was suppose to get better, as in faster and run more efficiently?
What happened Adobe?
@earthlingdave
Adobe could offer better quality at lower price. Flash player on Mac is a real resource hog and that ARM isn’t Core 2 Duo.
I don’t know bout the rest-o-u-macheads, but Flash has never, never, never been anyway near what I would call a useable piece of software…. even the so-called optimized product is slower than a constipated centurnarian on downers. For the life of me I cannot understand its seemingly ubiquitous appeal of net surfers. So, yes, please, keep this crap off of the iPhone until Adobe can make it worthwhile.
PeaceOut Yall
I worked at Adobe back in the days when they were best pals with Apple. Those days are long gone, brothers and sisters. Long gone.
NO, Apple will NOT buy Adobe — I WILL BUY ADOBE!!!! I will take Bruce Chizen’s SPHINCTERentzilVOSHEN and pull it up over his KANKLINpleitzen! … right after I force him to sit thru a UNEEVERSUL BYE-NARY of my all-time action smash LAST ACTION HERO ! ! ! ! ! !
The flash mobile devices that Adobe is talking about in the article are using flash as the graphic interface for little mobile programs. The iPhone wants to use flash to render web pages on the fly which requires much more processing power. iPhone processor speed will probably catch up to Flash before Adobe rewrites Flash to be less bulky.
Ya see, Adobe, when ya tell folks that the preferred platform for Photoshop is the PC, there is always the possibility that what goes around will come around.
Michael Dell has some thoughts on that, I believe.
Apple: Flash sucks.
Adobe: No, it doesn’t.
This conversation is starting out well.
Seriously…is there any chance Apple might buy Adobe? I rather wish it would but so many factors not known to outsiders influence such things. Is it listed on the stock exchange? Do a small number of individuals hold a majority of shares? Is there a friendly relationship at the lower levels (where it counts)? Would the Adobe board oppose an unsolicited offer?
The only question is: will Microsoft or Adobe be on display at the Natural History Museum first?
An alternate view to the ones completely siding with Jobs/Apple:
I’m no programmer or website guru, but I love some of the things Flash does. In the hands of good designers, some great websites were made possible. I hope Adobe can make it usable on iPhone sooner rather than later.
One thing about Jobs’ statement that the fervent followers refuse to see is that it took them this long to develop an SDK for the iPhone. That was after many jailbreaks and unofficial development on the iPhone platform by Apple-outsiders.
Jobs’ statement seems to be an attempt to deflect some of that negative attention away from Apple and refocus it on other targets. In this case, it was friend and long-time Apple supporter, Adobe.
Simplified, it goes like this:
Public: Steve, what took you so long to open iPhone development? We’ve been waiting forever. What’s wrong with Apple?
SJ: Adobe’s Flash is ancient and so slow!
MDN: Yeah Adobe. What’s your problem?!
Public: Uhhhh… what was the original question again?
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Sidenote:
Seems MDN is imposing a posting ban on individuals by not displaying the “Magic Word” above the submit button. So far, deleting MDN cookies sidesteps the ban.
Arnold,
your attempts at comedy suffer from the fact that you are not funny.
Please try again in another lifetime.
And thanks, MPC.
Many these negative Flash posts are from Adobe competitors. What a joke. Have any of you even looked beyond MDN and a few blogs, or actually used Flash beyond the intro tutorial? How many of you are so ready to accuse MS of evils, but put it out of their league to propagandize at MDN?
Remember Future Splash? – I do. I didn’t like that application because the interface was very Un-Apple Mac – So I never used it. Well, guess what Macromedia bought it called it Flash and it still looks like Future Splash. It sucked then and it sucks now.
And since Adobe has bought Flash (via Macromedia) the improvements are – well – NONE.
Yeah, you can do a lot with it, but come on. You can do a lot with sticks and twine too.
Clearly, some folks jumped on the Flash bandwagon and never learned when it was time to jump off. Animation doesn’t make a site better. Let Flash move to TV cartoon development permanently and away from the Web for about as long.