“France Telecom SA’s Orange brand has sold about 90,000 of Apple Inc’s iPhone handsets in France, the head of Orange France division said Wednesday,” Jethro Mullen reports for Dow Jones Newswires.
“‘We’re at around 90,000,’ Louis-Pierre Wenes told a press conference. ‘It’s progressing as expected,’ he added,” Mullen reports.
MacDailyNews Take: Orange began selling Apple iPhone in France on November 29, 2007.
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France has population of roughly 65 million (about less than a quarter of the US). If we extrapolate the numbers, the 90,000 iPhones in France would be equivalent to about 400,000 devices in the US (200,000 per month).
Is this good or bad?
Not very impressive… But until a 3G model turns is released, Apple is not going to sell a lot of iPhones there. Same for Germany.
US sales (~20,000/day) = 600,000/month, so France is only at about one-third the US rate on a per person basis. Not so great it seems to me.
Ooops, sorry ! Ignore the “turns” in my previous comment.
Maybe Apple needs to run an ad there with a naked Carla Bruni using an iPhone.
The quoted 20k a day number was a worldwide rate (at least since mid-Nov when iPhone was released in Europe). It’s not that clear what the US-only number is.
iPhone sales in France is way better than in Germany tho..looks pretty good in France IMHO
3G for a phone is the equivalent to 0-60 times for cars, looks good on a spec sheet, but tell me the real world appeal. You know the dodge neon turbo had a great 0-60 time, but it still was a shit box.
In Europe the iPhone needs 3G to succeed. Apple have to start understanding the world outside of the USA. What works there doesn’t always work elsewhere, so taking the usual one size fits all attitude to their product line and basing on the lowest common denominator is going to cost them sales when it comes to phones.
I get the biggest laugh when reading all the “what Apple must do to be successful is …”.
Please.
If you have designed, manufactured, marketed, and sold 4,000,000 of anything, please blather on – you’ve earned the right to do so.
If you have ever said “what Apple needs to do to be successful is …”, please give Laura a call. She recognizes genius when she finds it.
Hmm, France has 64 million people, the US has 303 million. That’s less than a fifth of the US population, yet I see no population figures in your post, Basil. So how do you get a per person “rate”? Yes, it’s 1/3 the sales figures perhaps, but at less than 1/5th the population, I’d say France is selling pretty well at one third the “monthly” rate of US sales!
When exactly will this bloodbath take place? You know, the one thyet MDN advocates.
Nokia will sell almost half a BILLION phones next year worldwide, but lets talk about this upcoming iPhone bloodbath shall we?
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…and if mark is right, and that 200,000 per month is world-wide, then they’re doing even better!
Apple have to start understanding the world outside of the USA.
Apple is an international company and has been selling products abroad for thirty years Dave… when you finally leave high school and get out to see the world around you, you may figure that out.
In the mean time Apple’s iPhone sales will continue to gather momentum and when the time is right for 3G, Apple will bring it, k?
Dear people,
just compare the prices of iPhones in the U.S. and Europe.
Steve got too greedy. It’s as simple as that!
70,000 in December.
http://www.macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/15947/
20,000 in January (90,000-70,000).
Bloodbath in February?
It is not 1/3. It is 1/30. 20,000/600,000!
Perhaps it’s not fationable enough in France, or that it’s American.
I wonder how Blackberries are doing there.
Dave H: “Apple have to start understanding the world outside of the USA.”
Apple announced more than 12 months ago that they were going to release a 3G model iPhone. I know it’s difficult, but try to keep up.
They also said that they are waiting for lower power 3G chips that don’t drain the batteries as rapidly.
Gavron: “Steve got too greedy. It’s as simple as that!”
The prices of Apple products abroad may be a problem but they are not all attributable to greed on the part of “Steve” or Apple, there are things like import taxes, and other fees, as well as additional shipping costs and other things that can increase the price of products from one country to another.
twilightmoon,
I used to think that as well, but then I thought more closely about it. Shipping costs from China to Europe can’t be more expensive than shipping costs from China to the U.S. Most other Chinese and Japanese products are about the same price in Europe as in the U.S. – when you allow for the various national sales taxes.
Sales tax here in Germany is 19% but less in some other European countries, but all Apple products cost between 40% and 50% more in Europe.
I’m an Apple enthusiast but there are a few things (not just related to Europe) that seem to be pure, greedy bloody-mindedness – like charging three times the normal price for RAM memory on the online Apple Stores – Apple only trick the uninitiated (new buyers?) with this one. Shame on you Apple!
Another example: charging a whole lot more for a Macbook if you want it in black.
Everybody knows black plastic is no more expensive than white.
These things look like petty money-grubbing and leave a bad taste in the mouth, especially coming from a company that prides itself on its good taste.
As for the prices in Europe, I firmly believe that Apple could have the same share of the market here as in the U.S. if they were more reasonable about pricing.
“when you finally leave high school and get out to see the world around you, you may figure that out.”
LOL. High school? Apple’s not the only one that needs to understand the world outside of the USA
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Crappy old 2.5G GSM (whatever you want to call it) is old hat over here. Phone companies give away 2.5G handsets. If you’re selling something at a premium price, it needs to tick all the premium boxes if you want to maximise sales. The current iPhone is a start, but it’s lacking in too many areas. Those of us in countries where the mobile network isn’t stuck in the mid-90s realise that.
“Apple announced more than 12 months ago that they were going to release a 3G model iPhone. I know it’s difficult, but try to keep up.”
I seem to remember a 3.0GHz PowerMac G5 being announced within 12 months too. When a 3G iPhone ships I’ll take notice. Until then it’s vapourware.
@Dave H
“I seem to remember a 3.0GHz PowerMac G5 being announced within 12 months too. When a 3G iPhone ships I’ll take notice. Until then it’s vapourware.”
Not exactly the best comparison in my view. 3.0GHz PPC G5 CPU didn’t exist at the time of that prediction, and never materialized from IBM or anyone else. 3G technology currently exists and technically could be in iPhone now. Apple simply made the business decision not to implement 3G in their first version iPhone.
It is suitable for speculation whether that was a good decision or not, but the CEO’s of Apple and AT&T;have both stated publicly (not predicted) that a 3G iPhone will be released, and roughly the timing of that. Furthermore, AT&T;announced today that they are significantly expanding their 3G coverage in the US.
You can believe that a 3G iPhone is “vapourware” if you like, but I don’t place much credibility in that view.
@ Gavon Apple is not the only party guilty of over charging for RAM, DELL , HP they all do it. Apple shows in all of their manuals how to up grade the RAM yourself if you so desire, even the hard drive. What Apple does not do is tease you with a stripped down useless machine in a National advertising campaign and once you bought the machine you realize that the price has jumped 2.5 time the initial advertized value in order to get any useful work done on the machine. My point an industry wide issue should not be posted as an Apple specific complaint.
Hmm… I wonder how many iPhones Orange activated.
Peace.
“Nokia will sell almost half a BILLION phones next year worldwide, but lets talk about this upcoming iPhone bloodbath shall we?”
really?
how many of those are high margin high profile smart phones, and how many are free give away pieces of crap that they are losing money on because nobody would pay for it?
just curious.
will even 10% of those half billion be so called smart phones?
Apple has a single model phone, in few countries, for limited carriers, and they are still crushing the competition in that part of the market.
you think Nokia isn’t aware of this? why do you think that EVEY page on EVERY web site that mentions the iPhone has ads for other phones on it? you think they are paying for those ads because they aren’t seeing the chunk of market that Apple is taking and trying to respond?
in other words, are you an astroturfer, or are you just dense?