“At last year’s WWDC, Steve Jobs announced that Leopard would support 64-bit computing across the board: not only on the Unix command line as in Tiger, but also in Carbon and Cocoa. But… During yesterday’s keynote, Jobs only mentioned Cocoa would get the 64-bit treatment, with Carbon missing in action. Carbon is the Application Programmer Interface (API) that made the transition from OS 9 to OS X possible, and although it’s not the latest and greatest (that would be Cocoa), Carbon is still holding its own—even Apple uses it to power some of its own applications. Sources tell Ars that not mentioning Carbon was no oversight: apparently, Apple has decided to scrap the intended 64-bit support in Carbon,” Iljitsch van Beijnum reports for Ars Technica.
“Although we can still look forward to 64-bit Cocoa applications in Leopard, this development means that third-party developers, especially those with cross-platform products, will be less inclined to support 64-bit computing in their applications. Doing so would require removing all references to Carbon,” van Beijnum reports.
Full article here.
More about Mac OS X Leopard’s 64-bit technology: http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/technology/64bit.html
Out with the old and in with the new.
C’mon developers use current tools and adjust!
Ask Algore. He has lots of credits for carbon footprints.
i like carbon
Problem with Cocoa, at least in its current form, is that pretty much all coca apps seem to be massive RAM hogs. Adium which is a fairly lightweight IM client can swell to 70MB after a while not to mention iPhoto which is a more bloated cocoa app and can easily get to 250MB or so. Compared to iTunes which still remains Carbon AFAIK and generally only uses about 30MB, and the Carbon Finder which stays at about 10MB of RAM.
Hopefully improved memory management in Leopard will fix some of this but theres no denying that Apple are getting obsessed with memory wasting. However since Carbon apps generally are lightweight on RAM there shouldnt really be any need for 64 bit carbon if 32 bit binaries are compatible with the 64 bit OS. I’m no expert though.
It’s OK i prefer Cocoa Puffs anyway. This carbon stuff tastes like crap.
that latest joy of tech I think is dead on
Surely not every application needs to be 64bit..???
Only the most powerful and intensive stuff is really going to benefit from it.
After all, no-one complains at an endless wait for a song to play in iTunes do they?
anyway that carbon stuffs not that great ……while Cocoa is worth at least 4 or 5 BOOM’s to Steve.
Well perhaps developers should try to code for Windows where they would have to develop a seperate 32bit and 64bit application (including whatever drivers are necessary).
It seems to me that if a developer is going to migrate to 64bit, why use old technology? Regarless, isn’t Cocoa the only real environment to code Universal Aps??? (or am I wrong on that?)
…he didn’t mention the blackened snapper either …really disappointed
C’mon developers use current tools and adjust!
Harder to do than you think. A lot of APIs are still stuck in Carbon. And you speak as if man hours are freely available. But feel free to think of all Mac developers as lazy and resistant to change.
I actually think this is yet another Apple dig at Adobe.
I’m a coco krispy’s kinda guy myself.
We will finally be a totally carbon based life form.
Or, er, uh – That is, a totally cocoa based life form – that will be good as long as its with nuts.
Any word if Leopard supports Classic?
carbon hogs memory. and that is on a *nix system, which means it already uses memory aggressively. if Apple shifts everything to cocoa, we get a performance increase. simple as that.
MW: if everything “ran” on cocoa, i wouldn’t mind a bit.
I think it’s important to remember that some apps that have been transitioned from OS 9 are so large that it’s unlikely that they’ll ever become fully cocoa. What about programs like Photoshop?
At least Windows has had 64 bit support for years. One day maybe Mac OS X will catch up. Probably at version Mac OS XI Vista.
@ macboy2010
“that latest joy of tech I think is dead on”
Abso-bloody-lutely.
http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/index.html
No64BitForYou,
“At least Windows has had 64 bit support for years. One day maybe Mac OS X will catch up. Probably at version Mac OS XI Vista.”
Oh, go blow it.
As long as it’s not Cocoa Chanel.
Carbon seems so dated……
MW:returned
Free ChrissyOne. I just read that her I.P. address has been blocked by MDN because of the moronic eunuchs who were flaming this site using her handle. Come on, MDN. What the hell?
TowerTone? TMF? Where are you guys?
m.w. = “moral” And the moral of the story is, it’s time for MDN to force people to create accounts here.
And Cocoa can be a real gorilla.
aka Christian: TMF is camping out for an iPhone. There are lots of s’mores and ghost stories of extension conflicts past. Oooh, scary!