“Multicore processing allows control over many applications running on a single PC. AMD says 85 percent of PC users run six applications at once: antivirus, e-mail, firewall, spam protection, a pop-up blocker and spyware [protection/detection],” Ben Ames reports for IDG News Service.
Full article here.
MacDailyNews Take: AMD says 85 percent of PC users run six applications at once: antivirus, e-mail, firewall, spam protection, a pop-up blocker and spyware. Sheesh, that’s so pathetically stupid. Can you imagine?! It’s no wonder Apple has such a difficult time convincing the masses to Think Different™; most of the poor fools obviously aren’t capable of thinking at all.
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Thank the GODS I use Macs!
I usually concurrently run:
Mail
Safari
VectorWorks 12
Photoshop
Adobe Acrobat Pro
Palm Desktop
AppleWorks
New Apple Slogan, courtesy of the MDN Amgi Word:
Get a LIFE… Get a Mac!
Gee, MAGIC Word!
I forgot to list iTunes…
I find it highly amusing this is only AMD headline MDN decides to put up. When it comes to direct AMD comparison, where AMD kicks Intel’s and Apple’s ass in performance, technology and innovation, MDN is suspiciously devoid of such articles….heck even the ones on Creative Mac, Macworld, etc…
AMD is trumpeting the whole “we’re the first dual-core 64 bit mobile CPU!” thing, even though nobody is going to be using it with a 64-bit operating system until Vista comes out. By then, the Core 2 Duo will be getting its second-generation chipset with faster RAM.
And weren’t you on Apple’s nuts when Apple announced the “first 64-bit desktop computer”?…which brought international ire since AMD hit the market first, and OSX wasn’t a true 64-bit operating system (and still isn’t).
Having the app in memory is totally different than actually using CPU cycles running it.
And for comparison a Mac should be running.
1: OS X Firewall
2: ipfwloggerd (records blocked attempts)
3: Little Snitch (Daemon, outgoing firewall)
4: ClamXav (or Integro Virus Barrier)
5: BigTop, MacSniffer (packet sniffer, packet traffic reporter)
6: Deep Freeze
7: SuperDuper! or DejaVu (autocloning to backup)
“And weren’t you on Apple’s nuts when Apple announced the “first 64-bit desktop computer”?…which brought international ire since AMD hit the market first, and OSX wasn’t a true 64-bit operating system (and still isn’t).”
Sure, that was pretty lame too. I was a Windows user at the time.
Regardless, my firt 64-bit machine was my Athlon64 2.6Ghz box I built. My 1.83Ghz MacBook Pro running Windows XP feels snappier all-around; it performs 3D rendering faster (in cinebench the 2.6Ghz Athlon64 scores 385, the MacBook Pro 1.83Ghz scores 521), and it plays back H.264 1080p video better in Quicktime. I’m thinking of selling my CPU, motherboard, PC3200 RAM, since my MacBook Pro makes a better Windows computer anyways. And also Windows XP is a steaming pile of poo.
AMD is totally hating it with the Intel Core Duo, and they are going to be hating it a lot more when the Core 2 Duo starts shipping later this summer. Trust me, if AMD had something to compete against Intel with, I would want it in a MacBook Pro, but AMD only has hotter and slower products to offer.
I ran virus scanning and spyware scanning software on my Win Laptop for 2 straight years without a single trace. The key on a PC is to have an industrial strength firewall and know how to configure it/use it. The average PC user does not want to be bothered learning to configure a complex firewall, but if you have the know-how you don’t need to run virus or spyware software on your PC. I don’t run either – my firewall alerts me of everything and I can allow or deny it at will. The alerts get annoying (there are a lot of them), but it blocks EVERYTHING unless you specificlly allow it.
Now that I am using a Mac, I just switch the firewall on and forget about it. There is much less to worry about. I just wanted to point out that the myth of Windows machines getting viruses the instant they hit the net is just not true anymore (if you have some know-how). My MAIN reason for switching over to the Mac had NOHING to do with security issues. It was the god-awful registry bullshit! I updated my Adobe reader once and suddenly my Win laptop was spontaneously rebooting at various intervals. One little variation in the wrong place in the registry and it can bring your whole system down. Having to re-install the OS for the 4th time in unde 6 months was THE LAST STRAW. I switched and have been wondering why I didn’t do it sooner ever since.
Buster: LOL! Nice.
Do you think Richard Hatch will win his next immunity challenge?
Regardless, my firt 64-bit machine was my Athlon64 2.6Ghz box I built. My 1.83Ghz MacBook Pro running Windows XP feels snappier all-around; it performs 3D rendering faster (in cinebench the 2.6Ghz Athlon64 scores 385, the MacBook Pro 1.83Ghz scores 521), and it plays back H.264 1080p video better in Quicktime. I’m thinking of selling my CPU, motherboard, PC3200 RAM, since my MacBook Pro makes a better Windows computer anyways. And also Windows XP is a steaming pile of poo.
You do realize you’re comparing a dual core processor to a single core, so naturally the “snappier” feeling you’re experiencing is quite expected? AMD’s slowest dual core processor (X2 3800) will run faster than AMD’s fastest single core processor (Athlon FX-57) in multithreading apps (like cinebench).
In fact, if you want to compare apples to apples, the 2.0Ghz Core Duo is just slightly faster than the 2.0Ghz X2 3800. Maybe you should have gotten an X2 processor instead?
http://renderfred.free.fr/c4d_cinebench.html
AMD is totally hating it with the Intel Core Duo, and they are going to be hating it a lot more when the Core 2 Duo starts shipping later this summer. Trust me, if AMD had something to compete against Intel with, I would want it in a MacBook Pro, but AMD only has hotter and slower products to offer.
Actually, AMD is sitting pretty at the moment. The Core Duo is a 32-bit mobile chip. Intel has absolutely NOTHING to seriously compete with AMD on the desktop/worksation/server market, as the link above shows. In fact, Intel is “totally hating it” with AMD’s Opteron, which has been devouring marketshare quarter after quarter.
You won’t see mass production Conroe/Woodcrest chips until later this year. Preliminary benchmarks show they are very competitive with AMD’s current lineup, but there are few upcoming tidbits with AMD’s new AM2 platform (one of which allows for much higher clockspeeds).
And yes, AMD does have an advantage of being the first 64-bit dual core mobile processor on the market, considering Windows 64 can’t be run on ANY mobile Intel processor. Now, this isn’t a big deal for the average user….but for those that do indeed use 64-bit applications, whether under Win64 or Linux, then its a much bigger factor than your attempts to downplay its importance implies.
Attention all Mac owners on this forum. Computers have supported multitasking, paging and swapping for many years now. This is not, repeat not, a new technology. The fact that the PC has an antivirus, spyware, pop-up blocker, etc installed does not mean that these are continually using either CPU cycles or real memory. You may all safely go back to sleep.
Incidentally, is this so very different from the Mac? Any sensible Mac owner will also be running Mail, Firewall, Spam protection (within Mail), Pop-up blocker (eg. within Firefox or Safari), Little Snitch and, if they have any concern for the rest of the Internet, an anti-virus application.
I currently have about 75 processes running on my Mac – but only have Safari, Mail and Adium open. What’s the big deal here? Or did noone no about background tasks, system processes and daemons up until now?
Don’t forget the Clock!
And that calculator the PC guy keeps talking about in the Apple ad’s.
“Do you think Richard Hatch will win his next immunity challenge?”
Mr. Hatch better batten down his hatch in short order or it will be ripped open promptly. Possibly he may not want to.
I’m sure they’re running a lot more than six programs concurrently if you count all the viruses and spyware.
Earthlink did a study of their userbase a couple years ago and concluded something like 99% of their users had some form of spyware running on their systems.
Well, I un-installed all my antivirus software on my old celeron-powered Thinkpad running Win2k over 3 years ago, and haven’t had a problem since. Originally, I did have a few problems when I ignored the MS patches, updates, and didn’t install the latest sevice packs, and did pick up 2 specific viruses (blaster and another one, don’t remember the name.) They were easily removed, but I finally just configured my laptop with the all the updates from MS, and buttoned down most of the unnecessary ‘services’ running in the background, since I wasn’t running on a network anyway. Since then, I’ve just been aware of what I’m doing, not downloading attachments that haven’t gone through my ISP’s own antivirus screening, or are from unknown sources. I also subscribe to quite a few online newsletters/alerts, keeping me aware of what’s the latest threat. I don’t run any Microsoft apps, other than IE or MS Word on those rare occasions when I need wither one (hardly ever.) The rest is all third party, non VCscript/active-X stuff. Firefox runs great, (my favorite browser, Mac or otherwise,) my various email accts are all web based, I run Photoshop 6, Fireworks MX2004, DreamweaverMX 2004, Flash MX 2004, Quicktime, Adobe Acrobat Pro, Picasa/Hello, iTunes, several Windows-only Real Estate training courses, Spanish language Flash based course, Swish and a number of other programs whenever I need them.
On this ancient, yet bullet-proof Thinkpad, I run anything I want to simultaneously, running Win2K. I have it so solidly configured, there’s no way I’d ever upgrade to XP, or especially Vista, since I’m transitioning back to Mac as my future pathway, but just thought I should mention that my experience with Windows, after the learning curve, has been quite satisfactory. As I sit here, I’m downloading music from eMusic using their simple download manager while listening to an iTunes playlist, grabbing photos from my Canon digital camera via a PCMCIA card (using one of two slots) and posting them to my blog via Picasa/Hello – all very seamless. In the background I have QT, Acrobat Pro, Fireworks, Dreamweaver, Notepad and a few minor accessories, and running 10 tabbed webpages. Do things ever bog down… yup. But it’s manageable, and I can work with it by quitting whatever I lazily like to keep running. Bottom line – this is a 2000 vintage Thinkpad, with a Celeron 550mhz processor and 392 MB ram. I can’t bring myself to retire it just yet. It’s rugged, has a great keyboard that I can just pound without it flexing or breaking, has been tossed around in my backpack since it was new, been to Mexico several times with it, is very flexible (removeable bay components, slide-out hard drive, two PCMCIA slots (gives me firewire, SCSI, wifi, external hardrive faster than USB, a minipc slot, two USB ports, even an old floppy which came in handy the other day for dumping some temporary data without having to burn a cd… anyway, it’s just a tool, folks. I’ve used Macs since my original Mac Plus all the way up through my B&W G3 running system 8.5. Win2k was much more stable than the old, non-multitasking OS 8/9, and was my first experience at a true multi-tasking OS. It opened my eyes after being so biased toward Macs all those years, but I agree that OS X NOW is where the future lies. Still, for a few years Windows served me well, and until my old trusty Thinkpad finally just gives up the ghost, I’m keeping it. I just wish the mac laptops included a Thinkpad style eraserhead pointer and two buttons. I hate taking my hands off the keyboard to move my mouse.
Let’s see what happens when MacOS gets majority market share! You MacHeads are the biggest idiots on the planets.
It is interesting how ignorant windows users are. Most statistics show the between 60% and 90% of windows installations are infected with some form of malware (the variance is primarily due to how you define malware) Yet 99% of windows users sing the same old song ” I have been running windows for years and have never caught a single (or only a couple) virus or malware.
Buy a clue! It is like the statistic that 89% percent of parents believe that their children have above average intelligence….
The fact is that there are very few windows systems that are not infected and while you could be one of the lucky few, it is (much) more likely that you are just deluding yourself. The bulk of modern windows malware can’t be (reliably) detected or removed. if you are not wiping your disk every 6 month it is very likely that you are infected, whether you realize it or not.
This is not a “mac head” this is the program manager of security systems at Microsoft.
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1945808,00.asp
Gill Bates: I’ll not take that “igorant” comment personally, since I use both systems (OS X and Mac) regularly – can you say the same? I check my system for signs of infection and keep current on threats. I don’t use my machine just sitting there online all day like most people with broadband, and don’t aimlessly wander the net hitting suspect sites. I know what domains I’m landing on, and use something called “common sense.” If I am infected with something invisible, which I can’t tell is there and which isn’t doing anything damaging to my system (using resources, slowing it down, deleting files, corrupting files and applications, broadcasting itself to the rest of the world) then I don’t really give a sh*t if statistically you might think my machine is statistically “infected.” It still works, works well, and seems pretty damn immune to whatever virus you might think I’m harboring. I can tell you I did visit a site ( http://www.drunkenblog.com/drunkenblog-archives/000760.html ) which displayed an image which crashed OS X, and which didn’t affect my Win2k running Firefox. These things happen, you just gotta know what the latest threats are, and not be “ignorant”, as you said. Ignorance is the biggest problem, including for Mac OS X. I just prefer my system lean and mean, and nimble, and not ignorantly expect someone else to look out for me with all their problematic antivirus programs residing onboard. I can do spot checks if I suspect anything, and definately run Adaware and other anti-malware programs to check and clean out parasite programs which can be on any website. But, most are easy to see coming, usually associated with installs of downloaded programs from free sites. Just don’t be ignorant, you should be fairly safe. Cheers.
You might be one of the lucky few with clean Windows system but it is more likely that you (like 90% of the windows users out there) are just unaware.
I ran the web site on both Firefox and Safari without incident. I am willing to bet you any sum of money that it can not, nor never could crash OS X. It is possible that it could crash some earlier version of Safari but the OS? No you are just wrong (again)
Given what appears to be a very low level of understanding of systems in general, I would strongly recommend that you format your hard disk at least every 6 months and reinstall windows.
As for my computer experience I first learned to program on a VAX-11/780 (new at the time) likely several decades before you were born. I also owned (and coded on) the original IBM PC. I have 7 computers in my office, two are running windows. (and yes the windows boxes get wiped every 6 months)
Damn it MDN, it’s “Think different.”
Uppercase ‘T,’ lowercase ‘d.’
:p
MW: Nothing. Nothing to see here, shows over, everyone go on about your business.
Well Gill Bates, you’re right, it doesn’t crash OS X, but I think if you read all 200 plus comments you would see that it played a number with Safari, and other apps – and it was just a picture of a car on a website – nothing needed to be installed or permissions granted – which shows the dangers to any OS with exploitable vulnerabilities. My purpose isn’t to attack OS X, because I think it’s superior, especially below the surface, but just to prove that anyone should be careful and aware. I guess my old laptop with a 4 year old install of Win2K shouldn’t actually be working, but I guess I’m just ignorantly lucky. No need to wipe it on schedule every six months, and I have all my data backed up anyway, in case of hardware failure (HD) so I’m just not that paranoid. I’m careful, but not scared. I have most of the “holes” plugged, and haven’t noticed any lack of functionality or speed thus far. I’m still multi-tasking away like an ignorant fool, but a happy one. Perhaps you could lighten up on Windows users being ignorant, cause I’m sure there are plenty of Mac users who can’t fix a thing once it goes wrong. Sure, you’re a computer pro, but I’m referring to average users. At least I can repair my system if needed – been there, done that.
@Bill Gates
</i>”As for my computer experience I first learned to program on a VAX-11/780 (new at the time) likely several decades before you were born. I also owned (and coded on) the original IBM PC. I have 7 computers in my office, two are running windows. (and yes the windows boxes get wiped every 6 months)”</i>
Well, LA DE FRICKIN’ DA! Many Universities had VAX-11/780’s/50’s/30’s by the early 80’s – Likely designed by PhD’s who were several decades older than you. And my god, you had an original IBM PC? Well ain’t that a kicker – just like millions of other people at the time. Wow you were such a genius. If you’ve ever micro-coded before, give me a call, I’m sure we could spend all day talking in high and low voltages.
http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/M/microcode.html
Key line from definition: A single machine-language instruction typically translates into several microcode instructions.
Microcode is one step lower than machine language and yet again one step lower than raw hex. It’s actually CREATING instructions using the high and low voltages in the transistors themselves (the notion of 1’s and 0’s is not quite dead on – it is actually high or low voltages that get stored in memory. A transistor is never “off” while it has power). This was the days before instruction sets came hard wired and could be burnt into an EPROM. Now microprocessors come with a “set” instruction set that is hard-wired and unchangeable.
So let me see…..you have 7 computers and 2 of them are running Windows? So the other five are a Data General Nova, a DG Eclipse, a DEC PDP-1, The immensely popular PDP-11, and an IBM System/360? Your office must be HUGE!
^^ that’s supposed to read EEPROM
So, everyone’s been telling me I need to switch to Mac… So I went to the Apple Store with the glass stairs and everything, and I couldn’t find that Solitaire game. What’s a computer good for without Solitaire?
It is becoming clear your hostility stems from you mis understanding the definition og the word ignorant. Ignorant doesn’t mean stupid it means unaware. So let me rephrase; If windows users think that they are safe on the internet they are unaware of the danger and the huge number of holes in windows. Modern windows malware is nearly impossible to detect and nearly impossible to remove (did you read the link I supplied ? It’s warning comes from a upper level manager in Microsoft)
If you use your computer to store or communicate and private information or buy anything on the internet then the fact that you laptop is still running is not sufficient criteria to conclude that it is in fact free from malware. (as a matter of fact that (incorrect) assumption simply validates my original claim)
And microcoder… don’t read a few facts on a subject in wikipedia and then claim to be an expert on it. It can make you appear really foolish to anyone with even casual knowledge of the subject.
Hey, Gill Bates: Excuse me…? What hostility did my last post exhibit? I haven’t attacked you, or Mac users (since I am also one.) Please get off your high horse, and consider your own ignorance of who I am. My first computer was a Commodore 64 by the way, which pre-dates your IBM PC jr just a bit. Also, I doubt seriously you were coding anything several decades before I was born, unless you were coding in the mid 1940s. And what does writing programs have to do with the issues I’ve been talking about? I also have written code, starting back in the mid 70s, with BASIC on an HP mainframe, and Visual Basic 6, Java and database design and implementation using both (IBM DB2.) That’s why I had to switch to Windows in the first place, reluctantly at first. I’ll bet that if there was some invisible, lurking virus on your machine, you’d probably be ‘ignorant’ as well, so how do you know you’re not? Just try to be a bit less negative toward those who also use Windows in their lives, because you are certainly one of them. And the only reason you have to wipe your hard drives every six months is because you obviously can’t protect yourself otherwise. Each to his own solution, I say, but quit acting so superior. It actually would turn me off Macs if I wasn’t already a Mac user from the first Mac Plus. I want to like Mac users, being much more inclined in that direction, but you risk turning people off with your attitude. Cheers, and have a nice day.
One more thing: Gill Bates,you said “So let me rephrase; If windows users think that they are safe on the internet they are unaware of the danger and the huge number of holes in windows.”
I appreciate you making that distinction, but I am pretty clear on the meaning of ignorant, which you seemed to use to refer to Windows users, rather than users in general. That’s why I replied.
My earlier post had this line, “I have most of the “holes” plugged, and haven’t noticed any lack of functionality or speed thus far” which I guess you didn’t read. I don’t use any MS script capable apps, except while offline, and then barely at all, because I am well “aware” of what all the default open holes are. Since I don’t use my laptop in any network, virtually all the components/services that would make Net admins jobs easier, are either disabled or uninstalled. My install of Win2k is very specific (there is a customable install option, and I don’t install anything unless I need it.) Like I said, lean and mean works best for me, and keeps my machine quite well isolated from 99% of all the copycat, teenager written worms and viruses. I also subscribe to tons of IT alerts, and find that most of the crap that goes on out there doesn’t affect my configuration. Just like a building, if you don’t want someone coming in unauthorized, just make sure to lock all the open doors and windows. And definately don’t invite a stranger in to use the phone… Now, can we all get along? Cheers!