“Will the new Macs run Windows and Linux as well as Mac OS X? Will Microsoft support the booting of Windows on Apple’s new machines? Will Microsoft release a Mactel version of its Virtual PC product, letting Mac customers run Windows applications (and Windows) in a pane on the Mac OS X desktop? According to one source familiar with the Microsoft project, the Virtual PC team was caught flat-footed by the Wintel transition announcement late last spring. Much of the work relied on the Metrowerks’ CodeWarrior environment, and Apple has pushed its own Cocoa frameworks for Intel compatibility,” David Morgenstern writes for eWeek. “In addition, Apple has yet to provide developers with the deep hooks needed for such virtualization, the source said. Instead, Apple put its effort in the past year into getting Mac OS X to run on the Intel hardware and making sure its applications were also native—a strategy seen unfolding in Jobs’ demonstration on Tuesday. There were no crashes or problems with the software. It all worked as usual or better, given the increased performance.”
Full article, which also contains a nice history of multiple booting and the Mac OS on page 2, here.
“Microsoft executives said yesterday that the current version of Virtual PC for Mac will not run in Rosetta on the Intel Macs. The company’s Macintosh Business Unit, however, is committed to porting the emulator to the Intel Mac platform. Microsoft would not give a time frame, however, when it would release the product,” MacWindows reports. “The Intel version of Virtual PC for Mac holds out the possibility of running Windows with native-performance on a Mac, with the ability to access graphics hardware, while being able to run both OS’s at once and switch between operating systems on the fly. A source said that one of the performance bottlenecks of today’s Virtual PC, the translation of PowerPC and Intel calls, could be discarded on the Intel Mac.”
Full article here.
The current minimum system requirements for Microsoft’ Virtual PC are: A 700 MHz native (upgrade cards and accelerators are not supported) PowerPC G3, G4 or G5 processor.
More about Virtual PC here.
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why bother… really
the only reason i have VPC on my machine is to see how a webpage looks under Internet explorer.. which is years behind the other browsers…
“Will Microsoft support the booting of Windows on Apple’s new machines?”
Once again it’s irrelevant what Mafiasoft does or doesn’t do.
If you really need to run M$ software on Intel, WINE, Codeweavers and others intend to provide this capability.
Fsk M-Mess
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Once WINE gets released for IntelOSX, will Virtual PC even be needed?
Instead, Apple put its effort in the past year into getting Mac OS X to run on the Intel hardware
OS X has been running on Intel since the public beta, jeez.
**** NEW INTEL MACS RUN WINDOWS WITHOUT ANY PROBLEM ***
http://www.telegraaf.nl/i-mail/31604451/Nieuwe_Macs_draaien_Windows.html
(sorry in Dutch)
bannerate, think about all those people who might switch to the Mac, but don’t because of the fear of not being compatible with work/school/friends, etc.? Those people will no longer have ANY reason to not buy a Mac as their next computer. Also, as many others have pointed out, many people NEED to use Windows because of specific applications that are not available on Mac OS X. Then there are the die-hard gamers who just can’t bring themselves to leave the hated Windows platform because they want to be able to play the latest and greatest PC games. For all of those people, the number one reason to NOT buy a Mac is no longer an issue.
Let them buy a Mac in confidence and then a year later when they no longer touch Windows because they realize they can do everything they want with Mac OS X better and easier they simply erase VirtualPC and Windows off their hard disk.
Some people may even buy new Macs purely for the hardware thinking they are going to run Windows most of the time, and only use Mac OS X for iLife and a couple of other neat apps. Again, a year later, they’ll be full blown Mac OS X users who hardly ever touch Windows except to play the occasional game or to access some web site that requires ActiveX.
It’s a brilliant trojan horse.
I use VPC because there are some programs that my office uses for which there is no Mac-compatible/readable version – specifically MSAccess Database. Until they completely move away from that program, I’m stuck. Thankfully, that’s the only thing that ties me to VPC, and it’s not gonna be long before I can get rid of it, but until it’s completely gone, it’s an albatross on my Mac’s neck.
what I really need from virtual PC/ or Windows naitive on my mac is the ability to run imaging software called Synapse, to view radiologic studies.
**** NEW INTEL MACS RUN WINDOWS WITHOUT ANY PROBLEM ***
Phil did not say that, he said that they wouldn’t purposely prevent Windows from running. i couldn’t get much more out of that article, but it looks like they are simply restating what Phil said, not actually tried it yet.
Wether the new firmware causes a problem with Windows booting is yet to be seen, but it’s definitely not there to keep Windows out, it’s meant to keep Mac OS X in. (from being installed on any PC)
So once the hackers figure it out, it will be a cinch to boot Windows, although an app like WINE is better cause i won’t have to shut off the Mac side to get a stupid Windows app up.
=)
“Once WINE gets released for IntelOSX, will Virtual PC even be needed?”
Maybe that’s what MS is waiting to see?
I hear people talk about hiw much they NEED to use Windows to do what they do, but the real issue isn’t needing Windows, it’s needing a specific application.
I hear that all the time, I need Windows to run Excel, Word, my email…
They need to be educated that Windows is an unnecessary element in the equation. Challenge them (nicely) as to what exactly the use WINDOWS for and they’ll likely not be able to tell you. Differentiate the OS from the app and then you can get them to see the light and feel comfortable about switching.
BuriedCaesar I was also shackled to VPC last spring while working on a project for a lucrative client who used an esoteric Windows only app.
It felt like I shed 100 lbs. and an old skin once I no longer had to deal with winblows and VPC.
— and of course EVERYONE needs Mac if the only knew it — then this would be the ULTIMATE way to have both!
Sweet!
Who wants to dual boot… when you can boot dual OSes at once?
Hammer,
You are sooooo right! Most people are virtual computer illiterates that throw around all sorts of bizarre, 15 year old facts about the Macintosh platform – none of which are true. The only way to get people to see the light of day is to educate them as to why their computing experience sucks as bad as it does on Windoze. Most people think it’s normal to have to reboot a computer every day, to get spyware and viruses, and to have applications freeze and crash all day long. In this case, ignorance isn’t bliss, it’s headache producing!
If the Mac Business Unit at Microsoft finally ports Access and gives Entourage full Outlook/Exchange compatibility that’s 80% of the reasons people currently need Windows. The other 20% are niche apps in various markets such as AutoCAD, various medical software, etc. Christ I know people who are still running DOS apps.
Virtual PC is dead in the water. DARWINE will enable us to run Winapps (if we need them or already own them) and Windoze itself is too dangerous to run on ANY computer, so Hasta la Vista, Vista!
My new catchphrase: Apple Macintosh, the “Windows free zone”
VPC let me switch – it’s just that simple. I sell a service that uses a small Win app that I have to demo and there will not be a Mac version written – unless I pay for it.
I also use one small app that is tied to a piece of medical equipment (an autopap) and the company is too busy supporting Win users (all the way back to 3.1!) to worry about Macs.
So now I run VPC with 2000 Pro and my needs are taken care of. It’s isolated from the internet so it’s safe and Windows actually runs better on a Mac than a PC – far fewer crashes!
I’ll stick with the VPC route as I have no desire for a dual boot, even if means waiting for MS to deliver before moving to a MacBook.
~Johan- Here’s the article after having been run through Babelfish’s linguistic meat-grinder. From what I can read seems they have the potential to run Windows (Which we know) and haven’t been demonstrated to do it yet. Heh… “New Macs twist Windows” I love it! 😀
New Macs twist Windows
by our redactie
AMSTERDAM – on new Apple-computers with Intel-chips can be installed without problems Windows-besturingssteem. That has communicated Apple’s product manager Phil Schiller.
So far macintosh computers could only twist Windows by means of emulatie. The new policy is particularly interesting for people who fall for the design and the hardware of the Mac, but kinder Windows twist.
Apple introduced yesterday a rag top based on Intel, the MacBook pro and Intel-versie of the iMac. Until recently all macintosh computers on processors of IBM twisted.
ClamXAV found a virus on my Powerbook. The virus was in the disk image file for Virtual PC. Because of the way Virtual PC
I don’t think that I would ever want to boot Windows on my Mac, but it would be a good feature to be able to run it in its own protected space under OS X
Listen
The main reason M$ is on our platform is to get you to eventually buy a Windows PC.
Take a look at VPC for the dual processor PowerMac G5’s that came out.
Microsoft purposely made VPC a single processor program so that we couldn’t run Windows apps as fast as a single processor PC.
Now that Mac’s are Intel chips Microsoft went ahead and made changes to Vista, especially Direct X so that there would be no way to run their third party software without VPC, which Microsoft can then hobble.
Darwine and the like will allow us to run pre-Vista programs. Without VPC.
Microsoft is no dummy, they are watching iWork very closely though.
Here is another translation, this one by a human (me).
New Macs run Windows
By our editorial staff
AMSTERDAM – The Windows operating system can run without problems on the new Apple computers with Intel chips. Apple’s product manager Phil Schiller has communicated that .
Until now Macintosh computers could run Windows only in emulation. The new situation is particularly interesting for people who fall for (prefer) the design and hardware of the Mac, but would rather run Windows.
Yesterday Apple introduced an Intel-based laptop, the MacBook Pro, and an Intel version of the iMac. Until recently, all Macintosh computers ran on processors from IBM.
End translation.
Apparently, they do not have a complete understanding of the situation.
Oops I forgot to complete the first paragraph-
Because of the way that Virtual PC creates a single file to represent the Windows hard drive, the virus was limited to infecting that one file.
Yea, well, I’d like to see VMWare ported across. Give MS some competition.
Regarding the apparent safety of running in a VPC vs say dual-booting, I think this is reasonable… it probably is safer since the hardware won’t have direct access to your Mac. File sharing (the drives) could pose some issues (since data could be deleted), but these are minimal. Plus, if your Windows session was trashed, you could simply revert to a backup copy of the windows hard drive file and start again.
All in all, I’d feel safer running a virtual machine than having a dual-boot or even a virtualized session running (unless the virtualization provides security. At the moment I’m ignorant of exactly how this will work.)
VPC is actually a great way to run Windows (if you have time to burn…)
Apple introduced yesterday a rag top based on Intel, the MacBook pro and Intel-versie of the iMac. Until recently all macintosh computers on processors of IBM twisted.
A “rag top” from Apple? I love it. Gimme my iConvertible, with an iPod dock and dotmac access built into the dash.
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