“I was browsing through the Science Podcasts on iTunes today when I came across one entitled, ‘Today’s Creation Moment,'” Paul Pomeroy writes for Design @ AdaptiveView. “I’ve no delusions about changing any creationist’s mind here, but I do think that most other people still care enough about honesty — enough that if Apple were to hear from even a small percentage of them they would certainly see fit to return these Podcasts to their proper place. Please let Apple know that you think this set of Podcasts is in the wrong category. It’s not difficult to do: bring up the music store in iTunes, select Podcasts (below the ‘Choose Genre’ drop-down list on the left), select Browse, in the ‘Category’ list, select Science, scroll all the way down and look for ‘Today’s Creation Moment’ in the ‘Name’ column. To the right of the name is a circle with an arrow in it. Click on that. Right about in the middle of the screen you should see ‘Report a Concern.’ Click on that and on the following screen, let Apple know these Podcasts are ‘represented in the incorrect category.'”
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The Founding Fathers would say, “This America was founded upon Christianity and the right to practise religion, but you lot have screwed it up royally. Just looked at unHolywood and television.”
MW-try, as in–“I may have to try again.”– God.
Jay
Yes it was my creation (I believe, and pun inended)
It might be better written as “You keep YOUR religion out of OUR schools and I’ll let reality be excluded from YOUR church!
But that said; the idea came from a bumper sticker that read something like “keep your religion out of my school” or some such….
Evolution is a religion of its own, check out http://www.discovery.org for a host of scientifically based articles on the subject (most of them are NOT bible believers). It requires more faith to believe the theory of evolution than intelligent design, imo. I happen to believe in intelligent design, and the Designer is God.
sigh….. a “theory” in science is not like a “theory” in general usage. Einstein’s theory of relativity is just a “theory” yet it is used every day and its effects are seen all around us. Or the theory of gravity? Try denying that.
“Isn’t evolution just a THEORY? Then why would we let that in the science category but not Intelligent Design which is much more plausible?”
Evolution is a scientific theory, with huges amounts of evidence backed up by world leading minds in science.
Just because you don’t understand it/watch Fox News/believe what the religious-in-disguise-people who promote ID tell you, doesn’t mean you have the righht to not call it science.
Science by its very definition is the formation of theories and the then proving and disproving. Evolution may end up to be wrong, but that decision will be made by evidience and data.
Intelligent design can never be disproved in this way, it is not falsifiable, and therefore not science.
ID preaching ignorance, telling us that some things are “not-understandable so we shouldn’t try”. We should be teaching people to be inquistive and follow the scientific method, not just stop at some point where the theory becomes difficult and hold up our hands and say “God did it”.
Why is the word-deleted– suddenly showing up in the Name & Email boxes?
Big Bang theory is nothing but a theory and should also not be included in science, as it is not.
Isn’t Einsteins “Theory of Relativity” just a theory also? Seems he got a big bang out of it.
analysis as in “how did Thurrot get involved”
“Evolution is a religion of its own, check out http://www.discovery.org for a host of scientifically based articles on the subject (most of them are NOT bible believers). It requires more faith to believe the theory of evolution than intelligent design, imo. I happen to believe in intelligent design, and the Designer is God.”
Perhaps you need to be introduced to some people working in Biology. Trust me, these guys are not just taking Evolution on faith, no matter what the ID guys would like you to believe.
No it shouldn’t.
Science isn’t a religion, because it asks noone to take anything on faith. Everything is tested. That’s the point of the scientific method.
And stop deliberately confusing the two meanings of the word ‘theory’. A theory, in science, is a hypothesis that has been sufficiently tested to be generally accepted as the proper explanation of the data. It is *NOT* the same thing as when you say to your neighbor, “Well, you know, I have a theory about what George really does on his ranch every August.”
Besides ID is just a cop out. If ID researchers say that this event and that even in our evolution was done by the hand of God, then why didn’t all of it happen by the hand of God. Which begs the question of why do research at all? Oh, it was all done by God so lets just save the time doing science and go back to herding goats.
Folks, buy a few clues.
The theory of evolution does not question whether evolution occurs. That is obvious by looking at the fossil record and genetic links. The theory explains how evolution happens. If Darwin and his followers are wrong about the process, that doesn’t mean evolution doesn’t happen any more than proving Newton’s theory of gravity wrong caused everything to float away from the ground.
And yes, there is a “how.” It’s called natural selection.
Here’s the thing about scientific theory: Through observation and the ability to replicate their findings, a scientist puts forward a theory to his peers, who proceed to either pick it apart or accept the theory as the current answer to the given question. Then, if somebody comes up with a better answer, it’s either integrated into the old theory or it completely replaces it (depending on the circumstance).
Now, regarding ‘intelligent design’ or ‘creationism’ as science; if someone comes up with a better answer than either of those, are the proponents of either willing to give up their positions in order to further our understanding of how the universe works? If not, how could it be any more than faith? It certainly isn’t science if the proponents of either stubbornly refuse to consider a better theory if and when one is provided. Most people in the science community would be perfectly willing to give up the evolutionary theory if a better theory is introduced down the road, but I don’t see creationists budging from their stance.
Watchful,
Evolution is labelled as a theory just because we can’t observe its effects over a lifetime. It takes millions of years to produce significant changes. However, having said that I often observed reversed evolution in my lifetime where human beings went from normal thinking people … to stupid zombies unabled to think by themselves (too much religion and/or video games – they go in the same category as far as i’m concerned – entertainment).
“The theory of evolution does not make a claim for the origin of the universe. It only explains the common descent of life. The Big Bang is in the realm of cosmology, astrophysics, and perhaps metaphysics–not biology”
You’ve got me on that one Dennis. I was wondering if someone would call me on that when I was writing it but I hoped that people would see the point of my post. Whether you’re a “bible beater” or “mr science” you still come back to the same essential question of where did it ALL (the universe, etc.) come from, and no one has one clue how to answer it. If people would think about it for a second there has to be some sort of religious explanation in the end no matter which you choose because their has to be something that started this all, but then what started taht something. . .
What it boils down to is if you believe evolution or creationism BOTH are based on faith because you don’t have a complete factual analysis of either one that explains everything. Evolution snobs seem to forget this as then thumb their nose at the ignorant church going masses.
Hi jp
I’d like to counter your link with what I like to believe is true. http://www.venganza.org/
I’m so glad that science is about believing what you like to believe, what you want to believe, and what people percieve to be believable.
What a tragedy it would be if science uncovered uncomfortable truths, evidence that is difficult to understand, or conclusions that go against my warm fuzzy feelings.
I suppose in the end we’re all free to choose what we want to believe, but that doesn’t make one right.
Those creationists can go to hell.
(kidding, just a joke, I try not to hate anyone.)
“Perhaps you need to be introduced to some people working in Biology. Trust me, these guys are not just taking Evolution on faith, no matter what the ID guys would like you to believe.”
Among the authors on the list at discovery.org is biochemist Michael Behe — probably better know as the author of ‘Darwin’s Black Box: The Biochemical Challenge to Evolution.’
KillBill
so in saying that schools are YOURS (unreligious people), does that mean people with faith have no place in YOUR schools? What a creton. I bet you think you’re really enlightened because you are smart enough to see through the whole “God-thing”
I’m starting to think there may be some truth in evolution because it seems as though there are a lot of people here who DID come from monkeys. Maybe you guys should go live with your relatives because there’s no place for you in civilized society where people don’t start freaking out and lighting torches everytime someone mentions God.
You know, I’m guilty of violating my own first post on this. It shouldn’t even be a story on this site. Are we going to start verifying the classification of every podcast on iTunes in this forum?
This is one of the fastest growing posts I’ve ever seen on this site, but let’s just drop it. You’ll never convince me that this all happened by accident and I’ll never sway others to my point of view.
Let’s just leave it that I’m right and everyone else is wrong and call a truce! (sorry, one last cheap jab!!)
“Among the authors on the list at discovery.org is biochemist Michael Behe — probably better know as the author of ‘Darwin’s Black Box: The Biochemical Challenge to Evolution.'”
Sorry, I meant reputable scientists. That guy is a huge proponent of Intelligent Design for whatever reason he chooses. Here’s a quote from Wikipedia about him:
“Scientists claim that Behe’s arguments and examples are based on personal incredulity, rather than the actual impossibility of explanation by natural processes. Furthermore, they assert that he deliberately aimed the publication of this book at the general public in order to gain maximum publicity while avoiding any peer-reviews from fellow scientists.”
The ID people would like to portray themselves as renegades, not believed by the scientific community due to their ideas “going against the mainstream”. In reality they are unwilling to follow the scientific method or peer review. I.e. they’re not real scientists.
“but let’s just drop it.”
hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
jp, do you believe that man was descended from the Ape?
Michael Behe does.
Would all of this stuff exist if we weren’t here to think about it?
I have a friend who is fairly religious who firmly believes the Earth is about 5000 years old because that’s what The Bible says. He’s a university lecturer (in computing) and is smart in every other way, yet believes this to be true.
I asked him to explain how techniques such as carbon dating shows that some things are actually *millions* of years old and he said that the technology is probably wrong….
Needless to say, the power of some Churches and religions to wield irrational beliefs on otherwise sane and intelligent individuals troubles me greatly.
Religion certainly has its place in society, however science certainly does too. Perhaps God deliberately made mistakes in the good books so that we would learn some things for ourselves. One of them being tolerance of others opinions and theories.
The funny thing is, scientists generally don’t throw non-believers in prison or burn them at the stake (or have them killed in other ways), yet religious people have been known throughout history to do just that and for various reasons too … oooh, look out, she’s a witch! Never mind the ergot poisoning. The disgustingly poor treatment of Gallileo by the Catholic Church shouldn’t be forgotten either. Or that WWII was yet another religious war.
Having faith is one thing, but having a belief that the faith has the answer to everything these days is insanity. Same goes for science.