Apple to debut dual-core Power Mac G5 Dual 2.5GHz in September?

“IBM is prepared to begin accepting customer orders for its new dual-core PowerPC 970MP (G5) microprocessors, which it will be capable of delivering in quantity very soon, says one Wall Street analyst,” Prince McLean reports for AppleInsider. “The 64-bit chips, code-named Antares, contain two processing units per chip, each with their own execution core and Level 1 cache. Additionally, each core includes a storage subsystem with 1MB Level 2 cache, making the chips twice as efficient as IBM’s current 970FX PowerPC G5 processors.”

“‘While declining to be specific regarding customers, IBM has confirmed that it has sampled these new chip versions and is [now] prepared to accept customer orders,’ Caris & Company analyst Mark Stahlman said in a research note released earlier this week. The analyst speculates the processors could make their Apple debut in a revision to the PowerMac G5 line at September’s Apple Expo in Paris,” McLean reports. “According to IBM, the PowerPC 970MP will be made available in speeds ranging from 1.4 to 2.5GHz.”

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38 Comments

  1. I sooo want one. What I would love to see is a dual core G5 Mac Mini (For those of us who can’t afford a G5 tower). I have a 12 inch powerbook and I hate to say it but I don’t want to see an update for those because it would hurt my feelings…:( lol

  2. With dual-core G5s on track for release soon why did Apple decide to switch to Intel? I do not think that IBM dropped the ball, even if 3 GHz was never reached. I mean who gives a chit about GHz ratings when rendering video is faster on the lower GHz Mac hardware? As for the laptops, Apple should have been willing to compromise on the thickness of the PowerBook to use the G5 processor in it. Talk about style over substance.

  3. Sol, just wait. The word on The Street is that IBM has one or two last hurrahs slated, as it gets dual core processors before Intel does, but after that Intel will shoot ahead. If you could just linearly extrapolate current trends, PowerPC would remain in the lead. But I believe the balance will tip next year.

  4. IBM’s PPC G5 chip is still the lowest price for performance chip available, Apple has sold a ton of hardware because of this chip, especially homebrewed supercomputers.

    Apple might milk the G5 chip a little while longer in the X-Serve and PowerMac line finally switching to a newer version of a Intel chip slated for the second half of 2006. Because these products can handle the G5’s heat and it’s marketed to the professional crowd.

    Right now the emergency is getting a cool dual core x86 based chip into portables, iMacs etc.

  5. This latest Win 2000 worm hit a lot of companies really hard, I’m getting reports all over the net.

    OK, I work for a large corporation. Begins with ‘H’, ends with ‘well’. This worm shut down our entire building today. We had to send first shift production home. Most / all of the engineering staff was useless. Now my real point. 99% of virus problems are ordinary users doing stupid things with email/attachments. This one infected everyone who simply was connected to the building net, (which was everyone). If this virus had one minor mod where is propogated itself, say 5 times, then scrubbed the hard disk, then this would be a HUGE issue. Everyone’s computer would be toast. No one did anything wrong. This virus was merely annoying in the grand scheme of things. If this virus had wiped the harddrives of all users and building servers, then maybe this insecure M$ crap would finally get the attention it deserves at the top level IS departments. This is simply unacceptable….

  6. Sol wrote:

    “With dual-core G5s on track for release soon why did Apple decide to switch to Intel? I do not think that IBM dropped the ball, even if 3 GHz was never reached. I mean who gives a chit about GHz ratings when rendering video is faster on the lower GHz Mac hardware? As for the laptops, Apple should have been willing to compromise on the thickness of the PowerBook to use the G5 processor in it. Talk about style over substance.”

    They aren’t talking about the next few months, they are considering the next few YEARS.

    FACT: 3Ghz G5 STILL not available (so YES IBM did drop the ball)

    FACT: Not everyone wants to render video, so who gives a shit if the G5 is better at doing that.

    FACT: Some people like to own/use computers that don’t require liquid cooling

    FACT: Even if Apple made their Powerbooks 2 inches thick they couldn’t use a G5. The iMac us at least two inches thick, and requires the near vertical aspect to be maintained, in order to fuly utilise the convection airflow as heat RISES from the bottom of the unit to the top and out the one LARGE slot in the rear panel of the iMac!!! As laptop users tend to use their machines in a horizontal position, this would not work. Also large slots in one panel would be impractical and down right moronic in a laptop design.

    FACT: HEAT is not the ONLY factor in laptop design. In case you were unaware, POWER consumption is crucial too (and yes they ARE relared to each other). There is no use in having a laptop (i.e. MOBILE) computer if you need to plug it into a wall every 2 hours! So even if Apple could make a 2 inch thick laptop that could house a G5 without cooking the users thighs, the battery life would be so poor that it wouldn’t be a laptop. Talk about style (obsession with using a PowerPC processor) over substance (making computing products that address user needs (regardless of the porcessor in them!).

    FACT: No matter how much you anti-intel mob whinge and whine, the deal is done. Intel processors will be in Apple Macs very soon. Time to let go, and GET OVER IT.

    I’m glad you people aren’t running Apple. There would not be OS X (probably Mac OS 11) and Apple wouldn’t have released the iPod and they’d be bleeding to a slow and painful death.

    It’s time to adopt the motto of your favourite company:

    “THINK DIFFERENT”

    my 2 cents

    Luke

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  7. Sol wrote:

    “LukeinOz is it that time of the month?”

    hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

    You are SOOOOOO funny. Oh please stop. No seriously – STOP!

    That’s right Sol, whenever someone disagrees with YOU they are on their rags.

    Yep it is that time of the month. Every month I go through this period where I’m really sensitive to stupidity – it lasts about 30 days!!! ” width=”19″ height=”19″ alt=”wink” style=”border:0;” />

    I am aware that Steve Jobs and Apple know more about the future roadmaps of Intel AND IBM than you or I ever will and if it was all so good at IBM, Apple would NOT put themselves through this transition just for the hell of it. You see the only logical conclusion to what you propose is that Steve Jobs and Apple have PUPOSELY chosen an inferior path in order to destroy Apple – rubbish! And if that means it must be that time of the month for me then yes, it is!

    As I said get over it mate – Apple is going Intel and the reasons they are doing so are well known and documented.

    The PowerPC (whilst AWESOME now) is not the FUTURE of desktop computing. Considering Apple was a driving force behind PowerPC, and its biggest proponent/customer, you’d have to say that if Apple decides it doesn’t have legs, it probably doesn’t have legs, it just runs too hot for mobile computing.

    Anyway nice to see that have such insightful and well thought out points to counter what I said. Based on what you have contributed to this discussion, it is becoming clear to me now that Apple has blown it. ” width=”19″ height=”19″ alt=”rolleyes” style=”border:0;” />

    Scuse me whilst I go find the mouse… ” width=”19″ height=”19″ alt=”ohh” style=”border:0;” />

    Luke
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  8. LukeinOz says:

    “FACT: 3Ghz G5 STILL not available (so YES IBM did drop the ball)”

    Um, FACTbuster #1: Jobs was the one who made the high profile promise of a 3Ghz G5. At the time, IBM said – as did AMD – that going from the 120nm to the 90nm fabbing process should make their basic design scale to 3Ghz. Similarly, Intel claimed their Netburst based P4s would hit 4-5Ghz. Unfortunately, the whole industry found that all to be optimistic. So, if your gonna roast IBM over the coals for not getting clockspeeds ramped as high as they anticipated, then make room on the barby for everyone else who makes CPUs, Intel as well.

    “FACT: Not everyone wants to render video, so who gives a shit if the G5 is better at doing that.”

    FACTbuster #2: Steve Jobs wants to render video, as do most of his professional class customers, and quite a few of his consumer level buyers as well. Why the hell else would iMovie, iDVD, Final Cut, et al … be such a focal point of developmet for the company? And if you don’t think rendering video, in addition to selling it online and playing it on some form of personal device, is not a BIG part of Apple’s future … well, I suggest you check your “FACTS” again.

    “FACT: Some people like to own/use computers that don’t require liquid cooling”

    FACTbuster#3: Tell that to the gaming community. They’ve been doing that – as well as refrigerating their CPUs – for years.

    “FACT: Even if Apple made their Powerbooks 2 inches thick they couldn’t use a G5. The iMac us at least two inches thick, and requires the near vertical aspect to be maintained, in order to fuly utilise the convection airflow as heat RISES from the bottom of the unit to the top and out the one LARGE slot in the rear panel of the iMac!!! As laptop users tend to use their machines in a horizontal position, this would not work. Also large slots in one panel would be impractical and down right moronic in a laptop design.”

    FACTbuster #4: The announcement that got this thread started is for the availability of DualCore G5s, which actually use less wattage than the single core units they replace, and – as one may remember – were formally introduced at the same time as the even lower power, single core version of the 907/G5 CPU (the 970FX). So, all this talk about PB design constraints, based on what Apple’s doing with the G5 iMac now, is irrelevant. The CPUs available now are not as hot, or as power hungry as the one in the iMac. Plus, Apple will never invest the kind of money required in developing a new G5 laptop, because A] it probably won’t be on the market long enough to recoup the investment (i.e before Macintels are scheduled to arrive), and B] beause Jobs would never risk a direct comparison between a G5 PB and an x86 PB … the results would likely raise even more questions about his stated rational for abandoning PPC than the simple availability of a low power G5 already does.

    “FACT: HEAT is not the ONLY factor in laptop design. In case you were unaware, POWER consumption is crucial too (and yes they ARE relared to each other). There is no use in having a laptop (i.e. MOBILE) computer if you need to plug it into a wall every 2 hours! So even if Apple could make a 2 inch thick laptop that could house a G5 …, the battery life would be so poor that it wouldn’t be a laptop.”

    FACTbuster #5: The low power G5 is rated to use less wattage per unit of clockspeed than even the current G4.

    “FACT: No matter how much you anti-intel mob whinge and whine, the deal is done. Intel processors will be in Apple Macs very soon. Time to let go, and GET OVER IT. I’m glad you people aren’t running Apple. There would not be OS X (probably Mac OS 11) and Apple wouldn’t have released the iPod and they’d be bleeding to a slow and painful death. It’s time to adopt the motto of your favourite company: “THINK DIFFERENT”

    Luke, all your doing is ‘thinking’ – and I use the term loosely – right a long with the rest of the crowd, and exactly in the way His Steveness has ‘encouraged’ you to. You are probably right – this DRM driven Intel transistion probably is a forgone conclusion. But that doesn’t mean that it isn’t a mistake.

    Apple’s marketing appears to have spawned two kinds of people: Those who truly do use their heads to think, and observe what’s really happening, based on available evidence, and not being swayed by what the crowd WISHES were true, and those who simply go along with whatever the crowd says (and/or what the leader of the crowd says, in this case).

    You’re clearly a member of the latter.

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