“Recent CDs by Foo Fighters and Dave Matthews Band containing new anti-piracy technology are selling well despite a backlash among some fans angry that the discs are incompatible with iPods, experts said on Thursday,” Sue Zeidler reports for Reuters. “Aiming to curb piracy, labels like Sony BMG, which released both records, are rolling out copy-protected albums in the United States, which let users make three exact duplicates of a CD, and store files on a PC in Microsoft Corp.’s Windows Media format. But the copy-protection bars users from importing music onto iPods since Apple’s Fairplay software is incompatible with Windows.”
Zeidler reports, “Record executives said they were continuing talks with Apple Computer Inc. to make these CDs compatible with iPods. ‘It’s up to Apple to flip the switch,’ said one record label executive. Apple declined to comment on such talks. ‘We have not announced any plans to license Fairplay technology,’ said Apple spokeswoman Natalie Kerris… Sony BMG, a joint venture between Japan’s Sony Corp. and Germany’s Bertelsmann, said users can get the music onto iPods by transferring files to a PC, burning them to a CD, ripping those and transferring them into iTunes.”
Full article here.
The copy-protection bars users from importing music onto iPods since Apple’s Fairplay software is incompatible with Windows? Doesn’t iTunes come in a Windows version?
This is an attempt to force Apple to license FairPlay or incorporate WMA, more than anything else. For those who say that Apple’s “closed” iTunes Music Store (iTMS) + iPod system is to blame: Apple doesn’t force people to buy their music from the iTunes Music Store to get access to their music. What does Sony BMG offer? Discs that are useless for iPod users. The best option that Sony BMG offers iPod users are lower quality versions of the albums via iTMS. What if you want the CD-quality version of these albums? Will this tactic work to force Apple to license FairPlay to others or license WMA from Microsoft?
[UPDATE: 8:04pm, EDT: Added first sentence to “take” to highlight incorrect statement in quoted article. Also added “or incorporate WMA” as per reader comment(s) below along with various other fixes.]
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Screw Foo & Dave.
Here we go…they will never be able to outsmart those reverse engineers in Scandinavia, though….
Sod them. Not worth the foo-ing effort.
funny, I bought the Dave Matthews Band album off of iTunes and I didn’t even have to get off the couch to do it… works fine on my iPod. They keep doing this they’ll just drive even more people to buy this stuff online.
Who cares? Just rip a MP3 from that stupid Foo”l” CD and import it into iTune, can it be done that way? As for me, I don’t care FOO!!!
or just buy them from iTunes in the first place.
after working all day the last thing I want to do is go to a music store anyway. I haven’t bought an actual CD since iTunes was launched.
All my music was obtained legally but down loaded or ripped from over 20yrs of buying CD’s : )
Just another reason to buy it from iTunes Music Store instead.
My friend had me rip his FF CD in iTunes on my mac since his PC couldn’t. Worked just fine.
Come on MDN, you usually rip into mistakes like “since Apple’s Fairplay software is incompatible with Windows”. Fairplay IS compatible with Windows because iTunes/iTMS/iPod work perfectly well under Windows. Windows Media is not compatible with iTunes/iPod.
It would also be interesting to see if the copy protection works on Macs, or whether iTunes ignores it and rips it anyway. I’ve got CDs that refuse to mount in a CD-ROM player, but happily mount in a combo drive and are rippable. The label says they won’t work in a Mac, but that’ just to discourage people from buying it because they know the copy protection sucks.
It seems more likely that Sony don’t want these on iPods not for protection against piracy, but in order to promote their own media players. It’ll just lose them sales and rather than admit they were wrong, they’ll blame pirates and try ever more elaborate ruses to treat their customers like criminals.
I have not purchased a single physical CD since April 2003 when the iTMS appeared. But I have managed to purchase over 800 tracks in that same period.
IN the time it took to type, I see that Mattshu has answered the question.
I did the same a while back for a friend with a King’s of Leon CD.
I picked up the new Foo album last week, imported it into iTunes, and then to my iPod, everything works fine.
It’s not about licensing Fairplay, it’s MS trying to get Apple to license WMA on an all iPods. They are trying to make it look like, Hey, don’t complain to us, have Apple “flip the switch” and allow WMA format files to play on their iPods.
True that it would be just a software flick, but there is no way the Apple would let MS set foot on an iPod unless iTMS and iPod start to slip significantly.
It is also just as true that the CD companies could stop with the protection scheme that doesn’t work for all the consumers.
Someone already mentioned (Mattshu) but the DRM restrictions only work on Windows machines NOT Macs, so. If you want to totally bypass the 3 copy limit. Get a copy on CD, cut to MP3 on a Mac. Use on your iPod per usual.
Of course, I should mention, both these albums are available thru iTunes Music Store as well.
OK, this may get me flamed, but what the heck is wrong with the idea that Apple would license FairPlay for the SOLE PURPOSE of such CDs? I get why Apple wouldn’t want to permit iTunes competitors like Napster to use FairPlay, or why it would let other mp3 players to be able to use FairPlay. Apple is obviously not concerned with the principle of DRM protection, since they do it themselves. And according to this article, the record industry execs seem to have no problem with including FairPlay.
SO WHAT IS APPLE’S PROBLEM? What am I missing?
RT
I just won’t buy them. ITMS is good enough for me.
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On my last post, one sentence should read:
I get why Apple wouldn’t want to permit iTunes competitors like Napster to use FairPlay, or why it wouldN’T let other mp3 players use FairPlay.
So ok you can make a couple of copies legaly. But then can you re rip one of these copies then make a thousand copies if you like.
I think Apple should allow any type of file to play on the iPod. It is after all a digital music player. If Steve wants to take over the world he’ll have to open up a bit.
MW = maybe
Foo’s copy protection works great. Also allowed me to rip the CD in itunes on a mac just fine. I quit making exact duplicates of the CD after 8 just to see if I could make more than 3.
Disclaimer: The 5 unauthorized duplicates were destroyed. The other 3 were given to friends.
These cd’s are perfectly capable of working on an iPod if you use a Mac. And for everyone saying just get it off of iTunes Music Store, what happens if I don’t like it? Will Apple reimburse me? Because if I own the physical CD, I can always sell it at a used CD store.
At least with a physical CD, I actually own something. I don’t own anything when I purchase music from iTMS. Its basically a permanent rental.
People, you are crazy if you want Apple to license Fairplay for CD’s. Right now, CD’s work. I don’t want DRM of ANY kind on my CD’s. All the copy protection that is used on some CD’s right now only works on Windows. Why in the hell do people want Apple to license FairPlay for CD’s? I sure don’t want any copy protection on the CD’s I purchase.
LOL…it’s only a problem with iTunes on Windows…From the Dave Matthews Site…
Information regarding Downloading Stand Up Songs to iPods
Please follow the instructions below in order to move your content into iTunes and onto an iPod:
***If you have a Mac computer you can copy the songs using your iTunes Player as you would normally do.*** (LOFL)
If you have a PC place the CD into your computer and allow the CD to automatically start. If the CD does not automatically start, open your Windows Explorer, locate the drive letter for your CD drive and double-click on the LaunchCD.exe file located on your CD.
Once the application has been launched and the End User License Agreement has been accepted, you can click the Copy Songs button on the top menu.
Follow the instructions to copy the secure Windows Media Files (WMA) to your PC. Make a note of where you are copying the songs to, you will need to get to these secure Windows Media Files in the next steps.
Once the WMA files are on your PC you can open and listen to the songs with Windows Media Player 9.0 or higher. You may also play them in any compatible player that can play secure Windows Media files, such as MusicMatch, RealPlayer, and Winamp, but it will require that you obtain a license to do so. To obtain this license, from the Welcome Screen of the user interface, click on the link below the album art that says If your music does not play in your preferred player, click here. Follow the instructions to download the alternate license.
Using Windows Media Player only, you can then burn the songs to a CD. Please note that in order to burn the files, you need to upgrade to or already have Windows Media Player 9 or greater.
Once the CD has been burned, place the copied CD back into your computer and open iTunes. iTunes can now rip the songs as you would a normal CD.
Please note an easier and more acceptable solution requires cooperation from Apple, who we have already reached out to in hopes of addressing this issue. To help speed this effort, we ask that you use the following link to contact Apple and ask them to provide a solution that would easily allow you to move content from protected CDs into iTunes or onto your iPod rather than having to go through the additional steps above. http://www.apple.com/feedback/ipod.html
I won’t buy a CD that won’t work on my iPod. Period.
MW: “ill” want a ill-advised decision on Sony/BMG’s part!
me not spell goodly in last post me made!
on the iLounge forum, many people who tried it were able to rip both albums into iTunes directly from the bought disks on windows or OS X.