“Apple’s Intel-based Mac development kits have started trickling into developer’s hands, Think Secret has learned. The Apple Development Platform ADP2,1, as the systems are officially designated, features 3.6GHz Pentium 4 processors with 2MB of L2 cache operating on an 800MHz bus with 1GB of RAM,” Ryan Katz reports for Think Secret. “The Intel systems run Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger identically on the surface as ordinary Macs, with the exception of a modified Processor System Preference (from Apple’s CHUD tools) that allows the user to toggle Hyper-Threading on or off.”
“Along with running Mac OS X, Windows XP installs without hitch on the Intel-based Mac, just as it would on any other PC, and booted without issue when installed on an NTFS-formatted partition. The only misbehavior sources encountered involved the video card. Initially, Windows refused to budge from an 800×600 setting on a 23-inch Cinema Display. Some prodding managed to get the screen to 1600×1200, but sources were unable to get Windows to take advantage of the entire screen,” Katz reports. “Apple alluded to developers at its recent Worldwide Developer Conference that Windows should be able to run on Apple’s Intel Macs.”
Full article with photos here.
MacDailyNews Take: Mac users won’t care about the added ability to run Windows natively, unless they have a Windows-only program they need to run. We wonder how something like AutoCAD would run and how this ability, if this ability remains in shipping Intel-based Macs, would affect Mac use among architects for example. Extrapolate across many disciplines to see how Apple Mac market share could dramatically rise. Potential switchers would have to try mighty hard to justify not to buying an Intel-based Mac (and get Mac OS X, iLife, and Apple Mac-only application capabilities plus Windows and Windows-only apps) instead of a Dell or some other Wintel box assemblers’ machine that can only run Windows.
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Is Apple morphing Mac into the ultimate PC capable of running Mac OS X, Windows, Linux? – June 20, 2005
The Washington Post: ‘In a year or two, the best Windows PC may come from Apple’ – June 19, 2005
Intel’s built-in virtualization tech could be one way to run Windows on Intel-based Apple Macs – June 16, 2005
If Intel-based Macs can run Mac OS X and Windows, buying a Mac will be a no-brainer – June 15, 2005
Apple could use Trusted Platform Module chip to keep Mac OS X off non-Macs – June 14, 2005
Intel-based Macs running both Mac OS X and Windows will be good for Apple – June 10, 2005
Why buy a Dell when Apple ‘Macintel’ computers will run both Mac OS X and Windows? – June 08, 2005
Microsoft and Dell must have a lot of bricks lying around today – June 07, 2005
Apple to use Intel microprocessors beginning in 2006, all Macs to be Intel-based by end of 2007 – June 06, 2005
>MDN: Mac users won’t care about the added ability to run Windows natively
Uhhh… Every Mac user in my office – which means everyone in the office – is looking forward to being able to use Windows without having a additional computer system.
You must mean:
(A small portion of) Mac users won’t care about the added ability to run Windows natively
>MDN: Mac users won’t care about the added ability to run Windows natively
Uhhh… Every Mac user in my office – which means everyone in the office – is looking forward to being able to use Windows without having a additional computer system.
You must mean:
(A small portion of) Mac users won’t care about the added ability to run Windows natively
>MDN: Mac users won’t care about the added ability to run Windows natively
Uhhh… Every Mac user in my office – which means everyone in the office – is looking forward to being able to use Windows without having a additional computer system.
You must mean:
(A small portion of) Mac users won’t care about the added ability to run Windows natively
Who needs Windows when there will be Cross Over Office by Codeweavers? With Cross Over Office I can run Windows apps without Windows with in Mac OS X.
This might look like people wont make Mac apps because Mac’s can then run Windows, but when Apple starts to have a huge piece of the pie, and Windows is no longer the major OS out there (I can be hopefull) I figure more people will make native apps then since Windows is the niche player then…
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There are Windows only apps that interest me. Using the Windows OS does not. Let users run Windows apps safely and quickly on OS X and then you have the public interest.
I suppose VirtualPC should be FreeWare if no Mac users are interested in running Windows apps.
The previous Article about the “Red Box” is apparently moot also…
Forget virtual pc for intel macs. VMWare has the perfect opportunity here. For those who don’t know VMWare “partitions” your entire machine and can host many guest machines running whatever os you put on them. It’s not emulation. It virtualizes the exsisting hardware so you only take a small performance hit.
My dev machine at work is a linux box hosting a win xp image. On the 3 Ghz processor the windows image runs just fine. OpenGL stuff even works acceptably (not games though). With os x on intel there’s not reason to be running linux as the host os. Big win for me.
I would think that even if Apple plans to allow Windows to boot on Intel-based Macs, they should only considering doing this two or three years AFTER the transition. I would think this would be the only way to ensure that important applications are ported to MacTel.
I have no choice in using VPC because of 2 small apps – one is a medical app and the company won’t come out with a Mac version (they still have to support Win 3.1!) and the other is the app I demo on my PB.
The challenge Mac users face with Windows being able to run on a Mac is that you don’t want all the malware to screw up your system. With options like VPC you never have to have it exposed to the internet and it is a virtual computer so it can easily be wiped out and reinstalled if there is a problem.
Me? I’ll stay with an isolated XP that can’t hurt the Mac in any way.
I STILL think MDN is asking the wrong question.
“We wonder how something like AutoCAD would run and how this ability, if this ability remains in shipping Intel-based Macs, would affect Mac use among architects for example”
My guess is..NOT AT ALL. If your MAIN app is a windows app… your most likley NOT going to buy a slightly more expensive computer just to be able to run 2 OS’s.
On the other hand…. if you were able to run AutoCAD in some type of full speed emulation under Mac OSX, then… yes… perhaps.
I just don’t see guys re-booting into OSX just to read mail, surf the web, and read/write a letter. Just like I don’t see Mac users re-booting just to use the ONE Windows app their life depends on.
Ken,
What is the medical app that is win only?
No Windows in my world. I’ll buy another PPC based Mac and stick to OSX only.
As long as Apple can keep OS X running only on Macs (or have the hack be complicated enough to be over the heads of the majority of computer users), the move to Intel looks like it will be gaining us market share.
My computing is 90% Macintosh, but there just enough really good and useful apps that are Windows only that I have to have a Windows PC. I would LOVE to run certain PC apps without getting into the Windows environment, AND without having a second tower hogging space. I don’t know the best method of accomplishing this, whether it needs to be dual boot, or if some type of emulation/VM solution is possble. Ideally, I would like to run the Windows apps WITHOUT booting into Windows OS. Someone figure it out please.
VetorWorks is superior and easier to use for most Architectural uses. Cad is superior for engineering needs. I would not use Cad unless I had to.
Who wants to spend 4 hours a week keeping there system clean and running.
Who cares. It’s like saying my other car is a Yugo.