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“PC Zealots” What a hoot. MDN is right on this one.
I’ve come across many people who like PCs better than Macs but the interesting this, none of them love their PC.
Pretty good article, actually. For Ziff.
Oops. I mean to say “the interesting thing is…”
You have never run into PC Zealots? Go to MacCentral and hang out in the forums. There’s a lot of them. I’ve dealth with them. Seen them banned from Mac sites (three or four form MacCentral in my memory).
Ever hear of Monkeyboy? (i.e. Steve Ballmer.)
Yeah, PC Zealots. They do exist.
yeah, I’ve met plenty of PC Zealots. The funny thing about them is that they absolutely HATE the Mac, but hardly any of them have ever USED one.
“I’ve come across many people who like PCs better than Macs but the interesting this, none of them love their PC.”
And 99% of them have never even used a Mac. ;o)
Takes real skill (severe sarcasm) to divine the winner when you have only actually used one of the two systems.
Mac’s are such a superior platform, I have a PC person as a friend and when they see a Mac, they say “I want one!”
Only problem is that they are incediably cheap, they rather suffer with a used slow PC running Windoze and deal with all the problems than buying a $600 used eMac and being happy.
They say it’s just good enough, but they can’t take their eyes off my 23″ Cinema and G5.
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Rothenberg says “even PC zealots can’t help but admire (G5 performance)” – he’s not saying the world is loaded with PC zealots. The article is interesting, thought-provoking and realistic. Sometimes MDN seems to comb an article for one word or phrase to jump on like a drunken frat house football game, ignoring the fact that the writer is paying Macs lots of attention and is possibly on the verge of emerging from the dark side….
Actually, it IS time for a brew!
Sure, there are PC zealots, trolls, etc… but nobody “loves” their PC the way many people love the Mac. The Windows experience just doesn’t generate that. And thus the jealousy
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Should the term be “PC jealots?”
There are no PC zealots, there are only anti-Mac zealots. All those who hate the Mac because it’s too pretty or too easy or too expensive…they don’t love their PCs. They just hate something about the Mac.
Only IT personnel love PCs, because everybody loves job security.
so true, best software and best hardware now if they can just do something about the consumer line they could regain all that market they lost with the last 5 years with motostagnation and poor hardware.
Actually, it isn’t the Mac that “they” dislike, it’s the “Mac zealots”. Because there is good in both worlds, with the Mac world the undisputed top for software, and the PC world the king of hardware versatility.
Last year, I was seriously considering the switch to a Mac, which well… I didn’t in the end because:
1) After months talking with Mac users, their ignorant attitude of the Mac being the greatest is EVERYTHING just puts me off.
But more importantly, 2) I use my computer as my entertainment hub, and the iMacs just don’t cut for sound. The PowerMacs are great! but a little too expensive for a home-user like me.
Oh well, anyway, just before the Mac-Zealots on this site start flaming me (again), I’m currently saving for a Mac, which should take about another year and a half to afford that 17″ iMac. *grin*
Does MDN really have that short of a memory? No PC Zealots? What about your December opinion piece:
http://www.macdailynews.com/opinion_comments.php?id=P1978_0_2_0_C
there ARE peecee zealots out there. I’m constantly havin’ to put my foot in their a$$ during OS debates…
but you know what they say. no matter how much you argue over the internet, you’re still retarded. heehee.
There are clearly both kinds: people who badmouth Mac users (and NO camp is free of idiotic name-calling) and also people who badmouth Macs as a platform.
Me feeling is that LIKING a platform which serves you well makes sense. HATING a platform does not–unless you are forced to use it, as many of us are with Windows.
Thus, loving Macs is fundamentally more rational that hating them.
Loving Windows might be rational in theory too, but I’ve never seen it happen
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The main point of the article, and one that seems to have gone over MDN’s head, is that the Macs of today have little in common with the Macs of yesterday. Every day MDN seems more childish in the way they attack every article that mentions Apple. Sometimes you have to stop focussing on the details and look at the overall picture. Picking out words like “zealots” and focusing on that is a pretty stupid way to criticise an article.
Why do you think MDN is criticizing the whole article? They add their comments on certain points in certain articles. What’s wrong with that? There’s no need for them to post an “overall review” of each article. You are assuming something that’s not there.
When they have a comment that’s on the entire article, they make that pretty clear.
Well, MDN’s comments at the end of the quote seem to have set the tone for the discussion of this page’s forum. The MDN team seem intent on spotting the least relevant part of the article and making an issue out of it. I for one read the linked article and got a lot more out of it than: PC zealots are rare because everyone hates Windows.
Maybe you can add Kollar-Kotelly to the list of PC zealot.
From AP via NY Times “Microsoft Judge Says Clause Not Working” [You need to register to read the whole article]
“The trial judge in the Microsoft Corp. antitrust case acknowledged Friday one important provision in the settlement she approved isn’t working as well as expected, but she defended the agreement as otherwise effective.”
Or go to Yahoo!
What kind of logic is that? Add to the fact that MS is repeating the tactic used against Netscape again, forcing people to use WMP.
“However, when the hardware and software are both firing on all engines, the result can be pure poetry.”
Nicely summarized
PC zealot is kind of a generalization. I know a guy that uses a PC with XP and he particularly doesn’t care for it. However he admires the engineering feats of the G5 but does not have one. But I will tell you that he is a LINUX zealot, he likes the command line, he’s a programmer. Thinks that OSX is a proprietary platform, an offspring or offshoot of UNIX. You get the picture. I cannot argue with him cuz he has blinders and I dont waste my breath. Funny thing is I turned him on to iTunes for Windows. He absolutely loves it. Love, Hate. He’s a complex person. And some are like that out there. I just leave them alone and slowly use the power of suggestion. It works, but it is a slow process. Veeeery slow. It’s kind of like religion…dont preach to me and dont insult my faith all I ask is a little respect and I wont insult your faith and respect you. We get along better that way.
Keo, I find it fascinating that you say that the Mac is “the undisputed top for software.” For years, and still now, people have unfairly complained that the Mac does not have the software the PC does and used that as an excuse not to get it! Is the tide turning? I absolutely feel that the Mac has outstanding software, and things that the Windows side can not match. Outside of Apple’s superb line of software, there is amazing third party software and shareware that makes the Mac untouchable. My personal favorite is Studio Artist (Synthetik), but there are so many pieces of software that let you do great things beautifully on the Mac that that is a real reason to get a Mac. It’s just that this is rarely mentioned by Windows users as a reason to switch! Instead, they count applications for each platform, end up with a larger number of second-rate or unnecessary applications for Windows and proclaim that as a reason why they would not get a Mac! It is a pleasure to read that you are aware of that strength.
As I’m sure others have, I would dispute the lack of hardware versatility that you mention. I have run a Mac server with primarily PC clients and had no problems. Recent shareware releases for the Mac are allowing the Mac to interface with home theater systems and its audio capabilities have won major awards while the Windows side has not. Perhaps you saw the recent article where someone in Europe installed a PowerMac into an automobile with a screen in the dash that can do almost everything. Remarkable story.
If you think that a Mac can not interface well with other hardware components, perhaps you simply have not found the software or hardware accessories that would allow you to do it.
I am sorry some of the Mac enthusiasts have put you off. It is difficult not to be excited about the Mac. You will see that, when you get yours. I never understand how people can see the enthusiasm of Mac people for their platform, the neutrality or complaints of Windows users – and still decide to get Windows. Is that how people buy cars? Ask around and see which cars people are enthusiastic about – and then not get it? Worse, buy a car that its users regularly complain has problems (bugs & viruses), is uncomfortable to drive, and doesn’t last as long?
I am happy you are saving up for your Mac. Speaking for me, I welcome you as a future part of the community. Try to save up faster!
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Keo,
I second what Hg Wells said. Just a friendly advice though, be open minded about the Mac when you switch. Do not expect that you will do things the same way as you do on Windows. Sometimes, even when things are simpler on the Mac, it may seem very hard if you are so used to using a PC. One of the major complaints is it is not like Windows. And if you have problems, go to Mac forums, people will very likely help you with that. Don’t just rely on Apple support, as we all know they are not perfect (though they do have the best support out there). When people refer to the Mac community, they mean that literally. We are a community, even if sometime we don’t know each other.
I have always grown up with PC’s. I build my own systems from a 386 all the way up to the newest Pentium 4. Yesterday I sold my cutting edge pc for an up-coming Mac G5. I sold all my games, and software with it. It’s a scary thing to take a flying jump into the somewhat unknown. But you know what? I don’t regret anything. I had bought an imac for my wife, who grew up with apple computers, about 2 1/2 years ago. Then slowly I became a convert. WIth each OS X update I became increasingly aware that I was in the wrong environment. Mac owners don’t obcess about newest hardware, they spend their time enjoying their systems. My wife has had 3 hard crashes in 2.5 years. I’m lucking if I make it through a month without that many crashes. Microsoft focuses on the idea of “Quantity over quality”, where as I don’t ever feel that way on an Apple product. Sure, every company has a bad quality day, but I always feel that Apple honestly tries to focus on the end customer experience, whereas Microsoft only sees their customers as a Nielson rating. It may have taken me a long time in arriving to the Mac platform, but folks, I’m here to stay.