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Definitely a multiple CD offering at least. It’s unfortunate a DVD drive is required.
I will take a paid download, screw the multible CD thing, that was played out with the multi-diskette installment requirements from way back in the day of the 3.5″
If you don’t have a DVD-playing drive on your Mac by now, then it’s time to upgrade. Good grief!
Judging from the processor reuirements just to USE GarageBand (600MHz G3 or faster, G4 or faster required for instruments), it would seem unlikely to me that a computer which meets those requirements wouldn’t have a DVD player…
(of course, I’ll concede that I was only thinking of the consumer Macs, not the edu or pro Macs.)
Joe… I would agree. I’m sure that’s the angle Apple used when making the decision.
I wouldn’t think a multiple CD version should be out of the question for specific customers who request it. I do think providing a downloadable version of GB would be somewhat cost prohibitive (and could ultimately cause Apple to raise the price of iLife to justify the bandwidth costs.)
I would guess that one of the reasons iLife ’04 is so cheap is because they’re no longer funding the bandwidth for downloadable versions of iMovie and iPhoto.
Garage Band has too many loops to be downloadable. Same as how iDVD is too large (it includes large video files) to be downloaded. Also the same reason neither are on DVD.
It is unfortunate that they don’t offer Garage Band on CDs, but there has to be a cut off point somewhere. With no more non DVD computers for sale, they have to move forward.
DVD requirement, that was a problem, had to work around that. But my real problem is that they didn’t make it real clear that you have to have a 1024×768 or higher to even run these apps any more!
My wife’s Mac is an original iBook with max res of 800×600. She doesn’t do much, but she does like to look at iPhoto and now I upgraded the host Mac with iPhoto ’04, updated the library and now I can’t even install the new Iphoto on her computer.
Get the new stuff, even got the family pack and all I got was screwed.
I love Apple, but when they do screwie crap like this, is really pisses me off!
I bought a family pack and one of my iMacs doesn’t have a DVD drive, but has FireWire. So I thought, I’ll just copy the DVD to my iPod and install it that way… It didn’t work…
oddrock: What does it say on the package? Does it state the hardware requirements? If yes, you have no valid reason to complain. If no, then go ask for a refund.
BTW: I am screwed, too, with my G3/400 tuppermac with no DVD support. But hell, it’s almost six years old, time for an upgrade.
at what point do you just say you loose…
“hey apple i was wondering if I could get Garageband on floppies”
hagar57:
oddrock: What does it say on the package? Does it state the hardware requirements? If yes, you have no valid reason to complain. If no, then go ask for a refund.
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hindsight is 20/20. yes, once I tried to install it and it said NO I “then” looked at the requiremets and there is was, 1024×768 needed.
I am not upset at the requirement, I am upset that something like this is not made more clear. many apps say 1024×768 suggested, but this is absolute requrement. 800×600 – to bad, so sad, buy a new mac!
I think Apple should put out a box set of iLife (or just GB) on CDs. I got mine on DVD on opening day, but for those with recent machines & no DVD player, they should make CDs. Those things cost cents for Apple to buy & burn, so it’s not like it’ll cost a lot more.
Yeah, eventually everything will be on DVD, but I don’t think that time should be now.
To Dave, who tried copying the DVD to his iPod:
Couldn’t you just Firewire the computers together & use the DVD from the computer that has DVD? Does that work, or can you only share a hard drive? I don’t have 2 Macs, so I don’t know how that works.
I installed iLife 04 on my old QuickSilver PowerMac (which lacks DVD drive) by booting it in target disk mode and connecting a firewire cable (the one from my original 5GB iPod) to my son’s iBook, which I booted from the OS X 10.3 on my my power mac’s hard drive. I then installed iDVD and garage band no problem.
Not everybody has access to an extra mac with DVD drive though (or firewire cable.) Maybe the Apple Retail stores should offer this as a (complimentary) service?
guess it’s time for another class action law suit.
Paid downloads for software would be a great thing. It’s not like we get any useful manuals with the CDs/DVDs anyway…
The iLfe ’04 Box clearly lists the following:
Contents:
DVD containing GarageBand, iTunes, iPhoto, iMove and iDVD.
Cd containing iTunes, iPhoto and iMovie.
Requirements:
Macinotsh computer with a PowerPC G3, G4 or G5 processor
600 MHz G3 or faster required for GarageBand
G4 or faster required for GarageBand software instruments
733MHz G4 or faster required for iDVD
256MB of physical RAM
Display with at Least 1024-by- 768 pixel resolution
Mac OS Xv10.2.6 or later (v10.2.8 or later recommended)
Quicktime 6.4 or later (Quicktime 6.5 included)
DVD drive required to install GarageBand and iDVD
4.3GB of disk space require to install GarageBand, iTunes, iPhoto, iMovie, and iDVD; or 250MB to install iTunes, iPhoto and iMovie only
Nothing “class actionable” about it.
Class Action? Gimme a break. Time to move with the times.
Apple is all about advancing, I have told numerous people who were penny pinching and going with combo drives only instead of Superdrives,
“Get the Superdrive” I would say, “technology advances and you’ll be one stuck burning 400 cd’s to back up your music collection instead of only just 5”
Do they listen, noooooo!
It’s penny-pinching if they could afford it. If they couldn’t, it’s just being sensible. I cajoled a friend into buying an eMac (combo) from eBay rather than new with CD only or worse – a Dell, because they were the options available on his budget.
So those people who couldn’t afford a combo drive but have otherwise up-to-spec Macs are perhaps being unnecessarily excluded at this point. Consider that there’s a CD and a DVD in each box. They could have two boxes and not put the CD in 75% of them and not put the DVD in 25% of them, but have all apps (except iDVD) on 3 or four CDs instead. Same total number of physical discs in circulation, fewer pissed off customers.
The 1024×768 limitation is perhaps more understandable for iMovie & GarageBand, but my (older) version of iPhoto will run at a minimum width of 800, so I don’t see why that, at least, shouldn’t run OK. It’s a shame f they increase the minimum specs without reason.
It IS possible to add an external (or sometimes internal) DVD drive, if you’re one of the few with a recent enough Mac to make good use of the app, yet lack DVD support. And then you have a DVD drive for all time–not a bad investment.
This is a consumer app, but it hides heavy-duty power. High requirements go with that territory, I’m afraid.
Were there really G3 iMacs sold last year as the article states? I don’t think so.
“Judging from the processor reuirements just to USE GarageBand (600MHz G3 or faster, G4 or faster required for instruments), it would seem unlikely to me that a computer which meets those requirements wouldn’t have a DVD player…”
Well, I have a 733mHz Quicksilver G4 that doesn’t have a DVD drive, though in all other respects it meets the requirements for Garageband. Question is, do I upgrade just to get this one app? There’s nothing else I do on my Mac right now that requires a DVD and the Quicksilver is easily powerful enough for my everyday needs.
In any event, I don’t think anyone has grounds for complaint; Apple has been pretty upfront about this, it’s not exactly news.
Maybe not grounds for complaint, maybe, but certainly grounds for disappointment !
I’ve never done this and would never condone it, but I’ve heard of kids walking into Apple stores with their iPods, plugging them into Macs and copying software from the store’s Macs over to their iPods. That’s definitely one way to avoid having to have a DVD drive.