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I've been a Mac fan for 4 years now, and I think more than ever, people are getting sick and tired of windows (al last) and have an eye on Apple. The Mac is gaining respect.
I really feel like market share is gonna grow relatively fast in the next few years. Go Apple !!!

I stopped patching windows long time ago.
I save time and headache by not patching.

All you need is good anti-virus softwae (like AVG), pop-up blocker and SpyBot software.

-defrag

The mere fact that you had a list of tools should be a big red flag in the first place - it is still something one has to think about, and implement.

I knew I'd get a reply.... : )

I have only Windows XP and MS flight simulator on my PC and it runs just fine. Never had problems. I had problems only when I applied patches, so I am staying away.

For everything else, I am on my Mac.

Thanks Patrick.

We have on PC in work, and I have locked it away and told my boss it's broken.

Even if it was, technically, working, I'd say functionally it's always been broken.

I love OS X. Get well soon Steve. Peace.

There is no need for the Macintosh to patch, get a pop-up blocker, SpyBot, Ad-aware, antivirus protection. It has the defense it needs OUT OF THE BOX, without the bs hassle that PC users claim is "maintenance." I've heard so many PC users say that it's silly that people complain because of having to get anti-virus software and I'm like, "Why not just get an Apple and not even have to deal with those problems?" They are masochistic I think. Whatever. I think people are going to come around one day, when other people start doing it.

This is the time to get people into Mac OSX. It is considerably better than Windoze in almost every way.

"How often do I have to patch the operating system for my cell phone, my telephone, my PDA, my car or any other numbers of electronic devices I have in my house?"

Cell phone -- I had to get a new cell phone about 9 months after I bought my last one because of a problem with it. They just swapped it out. The Verizon people claimed it had "bad software."

Telephones -- Home telephones are dumb instruments. All the smarts are at the switches at the phone company.

PDA -- I don't own one, so I can't say.

Car -- There are "mechanical patches" to a number of cars. They're called recalls.

Other Devices -- They aren't networked. Install Windows on a machine without Internet access (assuming you could get all the latest patches on CD :^) and I'm sure you'll have fewer problems. Of course, where's the fun in that?

One big patch is sufficient: OSX

With a mac, defrag, you don't need anything!

This was the exact reason I bought my first mac desktop 3 years ago. I've since added a 17" PB. I've never looked back since switching.

Actually, I am the IT guy at our office (around 50 computers) and I have already switch about 30 computers to Macs.

Love it.

My boss finally broke down and bought a Mac Laptop!

Amusing
Was out of town on a golf trip. We had a PowerBook with us. One friend had just had his PC into the shop for four days getting cleaned out. He was fed up. Demo'd the PB and he's on a quest to replace the PC if all the software he needs can be found.
That's the fourth switcher I know in 6 months.

I am working at coverting my entire office to Mac....

I just converted an office of 25 to PeeCee's using Windows XP...Why? Because
A) They were on OS 9
B) Machines are Old
C) Too Expensive to get new Macs...
D) Even After OS X...All of the hype that you people throw around about it...Its still a computer, and ALL COMPUTERS HAVE PROBLEMS...
After Im done they wont have problems...Its a perk of being a smart admin...
Maybe I'll start my own Switch Campaign.....

(Insert your blatant Lies and non factual statements below)
(im sure you wont have a problem)

I just converted an office of 25 to PeeCee's using Windows XP...Why? Because
A) They were on OS 9
B) Machines are Old
C) Too Expensive to get new Macs...
D) Even After OS X...All of the hype that you people throw around about it...Its still a computer, and ALL COMPUTERS HAVE PROBLEMS...
After Im done they wont have problems...Its a perk of being a smart admin...
Maybe I'll start my own Switch Campaign.....

(Insert your blatant Lies and non factual statements below)
(im sure you wont have a problem)

Having trouble using that PC NoMacForYou?

what a lame troll attempt. big old yawn.

ps.... if i think apple will suit my needs and afford it? how much is the cheapest mac now its under 1000$ and does everything most people need.

Beyond that, for being a "smart admin" you are rather clueless. Maybe you mean "smart PC admin" which of course, doesn't make you very smart. Once your boss figures out how bad you screwed things up by getting rid of the Macs you can be "unemployed smart PC admin".

Hey NoMacForYou... it looks like your right mouse button might be stuck. You should take a look at that, when you get a chance.

LOL
You guys are the idiots!!!!

Far be it for anyone to ever get even remotely sarcastic in this forum....Typical Mac Community.

Jump: I actually make a descent living being my own boss...I Resent that remark.

Must be a fun place to work! 25 poor bastards using PCs, and happy-go-lucky, fun-loving NoMacForYou trying to keep them up and running.

"Its still a computer, and ALL COMPUTERS HAVE PROBLEMS..."

Only the blindest zealot would claim that Macs are completely problem-free. The thing is, they're problem-free relative to PC's. You know, relativity? That concept popularized by Einstein? Or are you nervy enough to claim that Macs and PC's are about the same when it comes to things going wrong? Or with security issues? Or with the plethora of malware? Hello? Anyone there?

Actually NoSmile, Keeping the computers up and running is no sweat, Its keeping stupid users from making stupid mistakes that is more "trying". Why did you switch to Mac? Did you click OK on something you didnt read?

"Far be it for anyone to ever get even remotely sarcastic in this forum..."

And that was the problem; it wasn't even remotely sarcastic. And if you're referring to the multiple duplicate posts, that was more moronic than sarcastic. Get over yourself.

NoMacForYou,

Get a Mac, you degenerate!

And get rid of that virus that keep's sending the same message to this website dedicated to Mac Users. Shouldn't you be patching machines or updating virus definitions?

Fool!

Why did post so many times NoMac? I think everyone got your message the first or second time.

I would like to know what the advantages of a PC are, from your point of view. Is price the only benefit?

There is NO benefit to buying a PC, unless you game, in which case you are probably a computer-potato that does nothing but game and rarely even knows what's going on in the world. I know a guy at my work like that...about the time of the Abu Gahraib thing going on, we were talking about it (and the beheading)...it had been at least a week after all this stuff was out on the news and he asked us what we were talking about. I laughed at him and then told him we were talking about old news with the prisoner abuse and the beheading. He said he didn't know what we were talking about. This is also the same guy whose PC's power supply went bad, but he's too poor to fix it (wife who refuses to work, three kids, ad nauseam) so he decided to rip the hard drive out and put it in his Xbox.

Must be on vacation ...this article is too tempting.

Well I was thinking, if our better macs get realy popular and actualy become the standard pc for most poeple, do you guys think we will be obliged to switch to something else... I mean when your at the mall or a public space you can almost see the difference between mac users and pc users, the mac users always have something about them, while the pc users are most of the time just somebodies, standard human beings. My point is if the mac gets mainstream will we have to go to something else (unix/linux/sun??)

I'm a mac user and advocate, but I realy do appreciate the fact that in just a bit different as in lots of aspects of my life, like most mac users, the mac fits me, but would it fit me if it was mainstream?

Well enough of this crap, I think Macs are better, and most people who use both platforms preffer macs, and that says it all

"Its keeping stupid users from making stupid mistakes that is more "trying"."

And of course, this wouldn't be an issue if they were on Macs. All of a sudden you have a bunch of employees who are smart users making smart and productive decisions.

NoMac: I just converted an office of 25 to PeeCee's using Windows XP...Why? Because
A) They were on OS 9

AJ: You're either clueless or don't know what you are talking about. Even with OS 9, XP pales in comparison feature-for-feature.

NoMac: B) Machines are Old

AJ: Even an old macintosh is better than having an old PC. Better yet, it's better than having an XP. Why? If you don't know, you really don't know about PC's at all. How many old PCs do you have (2 yrs or older) that are still working without the upgrade? NONE. Because PCs die right around 18 months. I still have my original bondi blue 233 MHz with OS 8.5. Still works: no crashes, no loss of data, no reinstall of software. Any one from the mac community can attest to this: the mac just works. It's like the energizer bunny: it keeps going and going and going....

NoMac: C) Too Expensive to get new Macs...

AJ: Too Expensive in terms of WHAT? Again, you either do not know what you are talking about or you are comparing apples to oranges (no pun inteded). Please, make sure that your cerebellum is connected to your medula oblongata so that the synapses are firing correctly before making such baseless arguments.

NoMac: D) Even After OS X...All of the hype that you people throw around about it...Its still a computer, and ALL COMPUTERS HAVE PROBLEMS...

AJ: I agree with you that ALL COMPUTERS HAVE PROBLEMS. However, the prepondrance of the problems come directly from PCs and not necessarily the pc user. You can ask any pc user why all of sudden the pc gets a "performed an illigal action" when all you did was to try and shut down the system (this is just one example). This is a fact you failed to understand. Why subject the user to such blatant abuses? Remember, not all users have the same knowledge that you do.

NoMac: After Im done they wont have problems...Its a perk of being a smart admin...
Maybe I'll start my own Switch Campaign.....

AJ: Tell me this: who's smarter?
1) The person who works twice as hard to make sure that the pc they are using works before actually doing any work, OR
2) A person who use a McIntosh that works right out of the box.

.......go ahead, take your time.

"I just converted an office of 25 to PeeCee's using Windows XP...Why?" - NoMacForYou

How old were your Macs? They were unupgradable to OS X and OS X has been around for more than 4 years. I'd guess they are very old. can you expect the same for your PCs? So, if you consider depreciation, total cost of ownership and return of investment, how do they compare to your current PCs?

Hey defrag, way to go!!!! Keep it up!

"After Im done they wont have problems...Its a perk of being a smart admin..."

NoMac, you should hire yourself out for all the companies and government offices who are struggling using Windows. (You know, down time that all those companies suffer due to viruses and crap. Or is that a "blatant lie" too?) You could make yourself a ton of money due to the inadequate operating system called Windows.

"Its keeping stupid users from making stupid mistakes that is more "trying""

Well, thank God, Microsoft has you on their side.

If you let a troll usurp the agenda, you've lost.

Four ways to deal with a troll:

1) Ignore
2) Ignore
3) Did I say, "Ignore?"
4) Get AJ on the case!

NoMacForYou switched them to Win XP because they will now need to pay him a ton of money supporting the "cheaper" PCs. Maybe cheaper day one, not cheaper over the life of the computer. The knew how to use Macs, now they will rely on him, $$$ to work Windows XP, to update/patch XP, reformat to resolve malware, adware, virus all kinds of problems they didn't have before, but they have NoMacForYou to fix these new problems. They will have newer faster computers, and a whole new budget for support. Same old IT dept. fraud - push Windows on users, so you have a life-long career supporting them. Same intelligence or lack thereof users will cause all new problems with Windows machines, needing more support. You probably gave them Exchange mail server and Outlook email clients and of course Internet Explorer. Each one of these is a major conduit for viruses, trojan horses etc. They will curse you even as they pay you. It's just this side of protection money, with Bill Gates as the mafia boss. I pity the poor employees. I would have quit.

No, No, No, don't you see the beauty of it? Convert an office to XP from Mac's equals instant profits! Those poor hapless saps that are used to things working are an easy mark. Think of the billable hours as you go from one disaster to the next. From one new virus to the next. It's called job security. If I was a consultant, or smart IT admin, I would do the same. Gotta eat!!!

i went over to the parents place to help them set up a new comp.

it had to be a PC for work... (legacy system based on DOS from 1988, I sh*t you not!)

Dear. God.

What an utter nightmare using Win XP.. i just kept telling myself.. I don't have to deal with this.. i dont have to deal with this.. setting up a wireless network to work with a printer connected to an old OS 9 mac upstairs... not gonna happen..

i gave up on that...

try getting the digital camera to plug-and-play.."where are the pictures.. if this was a mac, iPhoto would be open already. why do i need an 88page manual telling me how to use this thing!?"

for all you windows users who THINK computers are hard to use... you probably don't understand what us zany mac users are talking about. it's okay. we would do the same in your shoes. it's extremely hard to buy a mac and worry about re-learning all the OS stuff.

Just go to some mac store ... you have to try one.. just mess around with it.. ask about adding peripherals and installing software.. you'll never know how great it is until you find out the TRUTH.

This isn't about being right. It's about your sanity.

It would take a miracle for Longhorn to make the Grand Canyon-sized leap from Winxp to something like 10.2 Jaguar. It's not gonna happen people. It will be a slightly cooler level of hell.

If these apple nuts are drooling over computers and lining up 1500 deep just to get into an apple store.. don't you owe it to yourself to at least give it a shot? Try using one..

You'll. Never. Ever. Look. Back.

Actually NoMacForYou has got a virus in his mind, it is called Microsoft, and he is now caught with insane rants

NoMacForYou is a clueless asshole. I make a living defending Windows networks from attacks (I even have a Windows 2003 Enterprise Edition server on my home LAN for practice) and a lot of my billable hours comes from patching, spyware removal, and antivirus updates on Windows. It's mostly firefighting on the PC side of things. On the Macs, I help people use their software more efficiently, since there are no viruses or spyware to deal with. Guess which platform I prefer for my own personal work?

People like NoMacForYou are dumb, ignorant bigots who would probably reinstall Windows before trying to fix the Registry.

Go Apple Go Go Go Go!

For all the PC users out there, I was once like you. I thought Macs were totally different and COMPLICATED computers and completely avoided them. Now, I have a Mac laptop - and for anyone doing work/play - Macs are the HOLY GRAIL of computers. (Linux is 2nd on my list - Windows is so far down the list - there would be no point mentioning them and if I did they would be no words to express the FRUSTRATION that Win 95/98/XP/whatever has caused me and I know many others).

Patches are just an excuse for bad software to start off with and I'm afraid, I think its gone too far.

I think the main reason people are against Macs is because they don't actually know what they do - and their POTENTIAL - using Unix.

To ALL PC USERS who are considering switching or who are diehard PC users:-

Step 1: Go to an Apple store or a fellow Mac user and get an introduction to how they work.

Step 2: UNDERSTAND the Mac - realize it's a true machine that will NEVER let you down. (Unlike the countless times Windows has - I thought the blue screen of death was a screensaver produced by Microsft:)

Step 3: Buy a Mac - and don't look back:)

And don't say that Mac programs are inferior or 'not as good as Windows programs' - the simplicity of use will hit you like a road train. JUST LEARN HOW TO USE IT and you won't deny it.

To those PC users who just use their PCs for games - get console hardware

To NoMacForYou: I realize your conundrum - PCs are supposedly 'cheaper' than Macs. This is a common misconception. THE TYPE OF HARDWARE IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM THE GROUND UP. Try comparing P4 to G5 (can't be done!!!) Your downfall is you trade 'cheap' for 'quality' - a mistake that will cost you in the end. Personally - I would have kept the OS 9 systems;)

Viridian is right - look at the RELATIVITY of problems between Macs and PCs, Macs are not trouble free - but compared to PCs they are more trouble free by SEVERAL ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE.

No.. I'm not emplyed by Apple - just someone with a JUSTIFIED opinion on this whole situation - If the 'race' between Mac and Windows continues on its current path-goodbye Windows/Microsoft better be thinking up of how they are going to be ripping people off from next. Linux will be its next competition.

NoMacForYou:

Your company could do 2 things:

Get PC's + yourself to admin them.

Or get Mac's and sack you. Yes Mac's are a 'little' bit more expensive, but without your wage, they'd save money!

Why don't you run this past your employers?

Aaah right, now we're seeing the bigger picture.

I have to go with lots of people "fixing" there computers and it's always the same damn stuff
spyware, viruses. Even fully patched boxes with Mozilla Firefox and stuff are vulnerable..
how about that DSO-exploit..MS knows it, yet no practical patch or solution.. makes me furious.
If you really think that having a company running on XP is good, then i doubt your networking and computer expertise.

anyway, last friday i said done with it and i went myself getting a powerbook and i'm trilled with it.
never, ever will i work on a pc anymore, unless they force me to for school or my job..but at home...
mac it is.

NoMacForYou: Very Clever, if you want to secure your job, create yout own Windows network.

BiasAlert: " I make a living defending Windows networks from attacks (I even have a Windows 2003 Enterprise Edition server on my home LAN for practice) and a lot of my billable hours comes from patching, spyware removal, and antivirus updates on Windows. It's mostly firefighting on the PC side of thing"

Ok, Im sorry man but YOU are the fucking Moron.
I have 30+ Customers and over 3000+ computers that I manage
without having the problems you described above...A network is a network. As long as the Lans are secure (Multiple Filewalls) Systems are patched and users are educated, these problems typically dont exist. Maybe you should go practice some more on 03 with gpedit. I havent had to re-install windows since 2000. I use Macs and PC's and typically dont have problems on either platform. Im Sure more than half of you havent even used any of the hidden security features in windows.
RSoPAccessCheckByType is Only One. It allows you to specify Objects that can and cannot be accessed (This can apply to all programs) In other words If a user opens an email attachment containing malicious code..It is atoumatically locked out..And an alert is send to me (the admin). Another feature I use frequently is the Security_Descripter. It contains a DACL that controls access to any object, and a SRSD that controls the logging of attempts to access an Object from an unidentifiable source. The SRSD Stores information (Like a smart card without the smart card) in a contigous memory block. I know what I am doing when it comes to security and I know how to use these features and other features to lock down systems very tight. My clients havent had Viruses in years. Except one that got blaster last summer. Windows is a securable system. The problems occur when Flakes like yourselves pretending to know what your talking about make the wrong decisions when "securing" a Windows lan.

(Continued...)

Everyone thinks that windows is insecure (I DO MYSELF) but that doesnt stop me from taking the time to REALLY learn windows security and apply it do my day to day tasks. My personal system at home hasnt had a virus... ever..And it doesnt even have a Scanner on it. The problem with Windows is the lack of Admins that give a shit about security. I have yet to find an admin that knows anything besides.."turn on the firewall, VS, and turn off some services, patch and you'll be "fine" This is not fine...Everyone seems to forget that windows does have flaws and by taking into account what MS tells you, your just making the problems worst. There is a heavy lack of Communication between MS and its Installed base when it comes to security. But, You wouldnt know because your a machead. Windows Boxes can give you a Return. You just have to have the right tools and the right admin(s) to do so. You all have your Opinion, Last I checked that what this forum was for. I
respect your opinion. I use my mac for Graphics and alittle gaming here and there. But with the tight budgets in small businesses you cant always afford the latest and greatest.
They made the decision to switch back to windows, Not me.
If all you can do is insult people just because of the computer they use. Then maybe you should rethink your thinking...You all say not to follow the croud (by using windows) but you "follow the croud yourself by using a mac..Who Really Cares anyways. There is more to life than computers...How about Pussy and Beer!?!

BTW: Multiple posts came from my mac..The SINGLE Mouse button got stuck.

Hardware Overview:

Machine Model: Power Mac G5
CPU Type: PowerPC 970 (2.2)
Number Of CPUs: 2
CPU Speed: 2 GHz
L2 Cache (per CPU): 512 KB
Memory: 3 GB
Bus Speed: 1 GHz
Boot ROM Version: 5.1.5f0
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NoMac - if you're so sold on using your PC's, why spend the time trolling mac sites? You've obviously made up your mind (no comment) and we're not going to sway you one way or the other. And you won't sway us one way or the other. So really - what's the point?

*sigh*

NoMacForYou,
You just don't get it do you? Of course Windows is securable, but are you seriously suggesting that it takes a comparable effort to secure and manage a Mac network? Are you seriously suggesting that administrative costs are not a factor in TCO? Or that the time you spent "to REALLY learn Windows security" isn't worth something to you?

By the way, your claim that you submitted multiple duplicate posts because your mouse button got stuck sounds like horseshit (most of the dupes appear to have been removed by MDN). What, it got stuck on the "Submit" button? Several times? At several different times? Explain that one in your complaint to Apple: "Runaway mouse button? I'm sorry sir, I've never heard of that before."