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Wow, "The Boss", really? I'm so impressed. How many Macs were you going to buy at "The Company", a subsidiary of "Your Deranged Imagination"?

I agree with Special Ed. Anyone who puts off the purchase of a tried and tested PPC Mac today, so they can buy a version 1.0 Intel Mac fresh off the assembly line in 2007 is nuts. I bought an iBook just last month. I suppose I should be furious with Apple, but you know what? It's still just as great a machine as it was before the announcement.

Well Lisa, that is certainly an articulate and well reasoned response that encapsulates the whole discussion. Thank you for that.

It is hard for me to imagine that anyone is still using OS9 as their main OS, and if they are, being surprised that Apple will not be supporting it for much longer.

OSX is 30x the OS and far more powerful, not to mention how much better all the major apps run on X than the same older versions run on 9.

GET WITH IT PEOPLE!!! This is 2005 for Christ Sake!!!

As far as waiting for an Intel Powerbook... I bought a 1.5 ghz 15" G4 PB last year and have no regrets whatsoever. Those threatening to just buy a Dell notebook now because the Macs will use the same CPUs is just idiotic and shows the ignorance of some people on this forum.

Comparing a Aluminum clad PB with a backlit keyboard and widescreen display to a Dell laptop is like comparing a Porche 911 to an Oldsmobile Cutlass.

Go take a test drive of both, then we will talk. ;o)

Let's just state the simple fact here.

Orlowski HATES Apple the company. He does not mind the Mac. However he HATES Apple the company.

Anytime he can say negative things about Apple he will -- with or without the facts to back them up.

This is the same writer who claimed that he recieved hundreds upon hundreds of letters from Macintosh users stating it was shameful the way Apple mistreated the people in the original iTunes commercial (the "I fought the law and the law one" version).

If you have followed his statements at The Register over the past few years you would see his overt bias very clearly.

Anybody who is putting off purchases until 2007 or at least year because of this has plenty of hardware now. Think about it, if you NEEDed hardware now, you'd get it. If you can afford to wait, then the current hardware you have is plenty for the job.

Did you forget that Steve Jobs said there was going to be MORE PPC hardware coming out? You don't even know what that is - could be dual cores for PowerMac for all we know.

Any software vendor worth anything can and will make PPC and Intel versions of their software. Nobody is left behind except for developers who didn't bother to follow Apple's clearly defined best practices for development.

While i truly beleive any Mac system bought now will run for years to come, I offer this thought: Anyone wavering at buying a Mac system now should also consider that buying a PC now will result in total incompatibility once Longhorn, er I mean Longshot is introduced.

Obsolescense happens on both sides of the fence folks. On our side at least we KNOW Apple will support Power PC for the foreseeable future.

MDN magic word "miss" as in most Mac users opposed to the Intel deal miss the point.

bandit bill is right. i couldn't wait any longer, so i bought a 12' powerbook. do i feel jipped? no, i love my machine. am i excited about the intel shift? yes, you bet your sweet ass i am. i'm always excited when apple starts to push the boundaries of computing. apple continually show's that they not only shift the paradigm they are the paradigm. think of all the inovation, true innovation that's going to come out of this. platform independent os, some type of future chip design, almost seemless legacy app integration, more apple consumer products, and smaller machines.

It's smarter to buy something NOW (within the next year) then it is to WAIT. Do you want all of your current programs to run at 75% of their current speed in emulation? Then wait for an Intel processor. But if you want the FASTEST SPEED your programs can offer, and STILL be able to run all new programs for the next 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 years, then buy a machine NOW!! Within the next year! Better to have a PowerPC machine that to buy a new Intel machine and have to re-purchase all of your software. BESIDES, all those new versions of software coming out next year will STILL run on your PowerPC machines!!! PowerPC's are not outdated machines at all! Anyone who's waiting is just stupid.

Scott : That's what I did, ordered one, next week a new MAC .. with exactly your motivation.

Scott: "Do you want all of your current programs to run at 75% of their current speed in emulation? Then wait for an Intel processor."

Wow - You gave lots of Good reasons to switch to Windows, eh?

The question is not so much if people are putting off buying a Mac (whether they spend their money right now or next year or the year after is only a concern if Apple doesn't have the means to survive a bit less revenue - they do, so sales will soar insanely once the Mactels are on the market) because of the Intel switch but if they are not buying a Mac at all anymore because of it.

To be honest, I think that the market for Mactels is so infinitely bigger for Mactel than for MacPPC that Apple can easily do without the few people who are never buying Mac again, for whatever bizarre reason.

People are postphoning buying their machines, not cancelling their intended buys. (To their own detriment, I might add. Any machine bought today is 'legacy' in two years ANYWAY - do you buy a computer based on what it might be able to do in the future or based on your current needs?)

Hybrid:

Why would the market for MacTels be "infinitely bigger" than the current market?

Are you saying that Apple is being held back because IBM has been inside for the last few years? IBM has that kind of negative reputation?

Get real here. Intel isn't exactly the darling of the hotrod computer market.

Some people don't even need kool-aid to spew rubbish. The switch to Intel was out of desperation. It isn't an advancement of the Mac platform, nor is it some kind of magic bullet for additional marketshare. I can't believe some of the nonsense I'm reading.

Apple is going to sink like a stone for at least the next two years. By the time the "high-end" Intel Macs arrive in earnest, Apple will be offering rebates and every other desperate trick they can pull to salvage their computer line.

Apple may well be forced to license OSX to save their beleaguered ass. Didn't you watch the keynote? Not once did Jobs say or claim that Intels' product line was great. It was all marketing babble like "roadmap." This was not a happy announcement for him. Nor was it a great leap forward for Apple.

This is no different than if Steve announced a new G6 to be available next year. Everyone of you knee-jerkers would be saying the same thing. Relax...it will be ok...The Intel Macs will not look or feel any different then they do now (except for the obvious 'cool' packaging update). We need to remember Apple still designs the hardware. Intel will be supplying chips (just like IBM).

Would someone explain to me why anyone would want to bring the Windows Hell to their Mac? I know, I Know to play games.

Two groups here:
Buy a Mac now - who knows what MacIntel will bring and when and Macs on PowerPC are greeeeeeat!

Don´t buy a Mac now - MacIntel will be better.

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When in doubt, do nothing.

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Remember this switch to Intel was not planned and never wanted by Apple - it was forced on them because the PowerPC has hit the wall (amazing no one ever knew this a long time ago...). Going Intel is the second choice, not the first choice.
Steve is out to save his business, he will spin this change as positive as he can. (I am wondering when shareholders will want a better explanation - this whole change could just be a total failure. No one really knows - remember all the blah, blah, hype about the PowerPC chip - it is soon to be trashed.)

Amazing how much Apple owners have to put up with.

I'm predicting new Pentium M based Powerbooks to be introduced at MacWorld in September and be available by Christmas.

Jeepers,

I'm saying that Apple was held back because Macs only ran Mac software. Once one can own a box that runs OSX but also Windows-compatible apps natively, switching is a painless affair and leaving Wintel behind a no-brainer.

I think the hotrod computing world has no darlings. In the hotrod computer world it is cool to always know better and to always be able to say why whatever system is rubbish. The hotrod computer world does not buy stacks of machines, however. Apple is opening up their products for the masses, IMHO, because of the fact that in a year or two, you don't need a Wintel to run Wintel apps.

I'm a longtime Windows user, who has had plenty of pleasure in and good use out of the experience, but the choice between OSX and Windows is easy, even if OSX does take getting some used to.

The is nothing really wrong with the current hardware except that it will be orphaned eventually.
Message to Steve:
During the transition- FIX the Finder (Multi-Thread the Thing). It is the number one hit on Mac OS X performance and stability. It will also be more apparent on a CISC CPU with fewer and deeper pipelines.

Jeff,

Pentuim M PowerBooks in September - this is the same stuff we've been hearing for years about G5's in PowerBooks.

Sep '05: Oh, no Intel PowerBook, but January '06!

Jan '06: Gee, I thought the Intel PowerBooks would be here already? April?

April '06: Man, where are those Intel PowerBooks?!! June!

June '06: Oh, Steve was right all along. Man, I wished I had bought last year, I haven't been able to do much of anything with my old 687MHz TiBook the last year. I could have made a bit more money turning over my projects faster instead waiting and waiting and waiting....

I want to see how many class action suits are spawned by this move to Intel--Apple s future is in the courtroom.

Lisa,

Why don't you file the first one? If you're so certain, then find a lawyer and go after Apple. I'd be curious what your complaint would be.

Lisa-

Any relation to ron or sputnik?
Enjoy the summer. Good luck with your sophomore classes in the fall. Get a clue.

Where's Triumph when you need him... to poop on you!

My brother got his mini yesturday!, and I am getting my emac next week... so..... what do you think...

????? what are we going to do? NOT buy a new computer??? HAHA!!! or better yet buy a PC instead!!! HAAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH freaking HA

An interesting take on Apple moving from IBM and the possible consequences. I wonder if Sun was part of talks at all? Check this article out. It has lots to think about:

http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9584_22-5740705.html

It makes one large assumption - that Intel has nothing like the Cell or Niagra in the works.

I need a new mac now and I will still buy one but I will certainly downgrade my purchase from a 20 iMac to an inexpensive mac mini.

Hybrid:

My guess is that if Apple isn't going to support running Windows on an Intel Mac, then switching between operating systems will be anything but a "painless affair."

It certainly won't be a selling point, because the procedure to switch will be beyond the casual user. Apple will not be cross-promoting Windows, nor will it ever adopt the slogan "Runs Windows Natively."

If and when such a marketing campaign occurs, you will know that Apple is ready to exit the computer market.

Wow, that was a pretty intense article Zupchuck. I certainly hope Intel has their eye on the ball. The problem with companies that large is it takes a long time to shift direction. I have heard some rumors of them having something really big and revolutionary in the pipeline. I hope it is true; especially if Paul Murphy's predictions in this article prove to be accurate. Steve HAS to know about this. I wonder what the secret agenda is?

Jack,

Thanks. I sent the link to MDN, but they haven't bothered putting it up. Frankly, this article is the best take on the industry moves I've read regarding Apple moving to Intel. Cheers.