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Tech pundit Enderle incorrectly compares Apple’s Mac OS to iPod licensing
Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 01:07 PM EST

"This week, D&M holding killed the RIO line of MP3 players because they simply could not compete with the iPod. What makes this amazing is that a few years ago the RIO, then owned by S3, was competing with Creative Labs for this market and was largely believed to be the company to beat. Apple came out of nowhere as a failing PC company and not only took the market away from Creative Labs and RIO, but grew the market to be vastly larger than before... Apple didn’t just beat RIO, they obliterated it," Rob Enderle writes for Designtechnica.

"All eyes now shift to the future and what will be coming out of Apple. Speculation surrounds the Apple Phone and an Apple MVNO (Mobile Virtual Network Operator), which, with the right implementation, could take a significant portion of the mobile phone space with a subsidized iPod and a lock-in model few CE vendors could ever match," Enderle writes. "In addition, an iPod-based home entertainment device like the Sonos is increasingly anticipated, as Apple moves away from the pocket and into the broad CE space. TVs could follow that move, as they expand from the monitors they now sell and start placing TVs in the Apple stores, which could eventually morph into showcases for Apple AV equipment. What may be slowing this down is the agreement years ago with the Beatles’ Label (Apple Records) not to go into the music space, an agreement that is currently undergoing court review. But if Apple wins, remember that they just took out a CE vendor."

Enderle writes, "Once Apple gets over their legal issues, they could cut a broad swath through the CE space; this potential shouldn’t be lost on anyone. What also should not be lost is that the winner executed well on hardware, software, user experience, and marketing, which now form the template for success in this segment.

Enderle writes, "During the years after the iPod was launched, Microsoft has been working to build a better platform, one that would take the market away from Apple and give it to Microsoft’s partners, much as they did the PC market over a decade ago. In 1984, Apple had 40% of the business PC market and IBM had the other 60%... Apple’s mistake over a decade ago was to not see the same opportunity and to fail to license the critical technology in an attempt to own it all; they ended up almost owning nothing. This mistake is in the process of being repeated; should the result end up the same way, Steve Jobs will likely be remembered as one of the dumbest executives of all time: One who gave up dominant positions twice as a result of his inabilities to see the broad market and to learn to share."

Full article here.

MacDailyNews Take: Steve Jobs was not even with Apple Computer when they "failed" to license in "an attempt to own it all." In fact, Bill Gates' infamous memo imploring Apple to license the Mac OS was sent to Apple's CEO John Sculley and Chief Technology Officer Jean Louis Gassee, not Steve Jobs. Jobs was already on the way out, about to start his NeXT thing (which ended up becoming Mac OS X and with NeXT basically taking over Apple by September 16, 1997). Jobs probably never even saw Gates' memo. Many people, by the way, believe that Apple ended up with a vastly superior platform precisely because they control the whole widget. Plus, Microsoft never built a better platform than Apple, just a more widely sold platform. It depends on how you define the word "better." Take a look at Windows XP vs. Mac OS X Tiger. Rarely, except perhaps with Coca-Cola and the iPod+iTunes+iTunes Music Store, does "most popular" equal "best." See cars, vacuum cleaners, stereos, televisions, etc.

Finally, a song is a song is a song and there is nothing pointing to widespread lust for music subscription outfits. Apple makes the only cross-platform (Mac and Windows) music player plus online music store plus music jukebox software; all tightly and seamlessly integrated.

As we, and others such as Daring Fireball's John Gruber, explained over a year ago (come on, Rob, get with the program; Windows tech writer Paul Thurrott changed his iTune, you can, too), the Macintosh platform required and still requires huge investments by developers to create compatible software. So, when faced with budgetary contraints, they chose and still sometimes choose to go with the most popular platforms. The iPod simply plays music that can be encoded, for very little cost, in any format the "developers" (musicians and labels) desire: AAC, MP3, WMA, etc. The music doesn't need to be rewritten, recorded, and remastered. It's like writing Photoshop once and then pressing a button to translate it for use on Mac, Windows, Linux, etc. To draw an analogy between Mac OS licensing and the iPod/iTunes symbiotic relationship simply highlights the writer's ignorance of the vast differences between the two business situations.

Apple should and most probably will license their Fairplay DRM if any competing music store and/or portable digital music player company actually starts competing and taking enough share.

Related articles:
Tech Pundit Enderle: 'fourth quarter should be ugly for Apple' - August 09, 2005
Enderle: 'Surveys indicate demand for Apple's products is dropping like a rock' due to Intel switch - August 01, 2005
Thurrott: 'I don't see how Microsoft will ever stem the flow of iPods coming out of Cupertino' - July 15, 2005
Thurrott: Microsoft's 'iPod killer' just 'ain't going to happen' - August 12, 2005
Tech writer Thurrott: 'If Apple doesn't change its ways, the company simply won't survive' - September 16, 2004
Another day, another 'iPod may go the way of the Mac' article - August 16, 2004
The iPod is not the Mac, so stop trying to compare them - August 13, 2004
Could Apple be Microsoft today if only had they licensed the Mac OS? - August 09, 2004

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Sep 01, 05 - 01:36 pm Comment from: RC

Enderle=Idiot so this isn't exactly news. I just ignore his dumb ass...

Sep 01, 05 - 01:38 pm Comment from: Tre

And anyone living in earthquake territory should sell their iMacs... They could tip over and break... lol lol lol lol!

Sep 01, 05 - 01:47 pm Comment from: rlhamon

Rob must of forgot to take his medication again.

Sep 01, 05 - 02:02 pm Comment from: ndelc

I can't believe anyone actually pays this moron for anything other than mopping floors. Ever heard of knowing what you're talking about before speaking Rob? Try it some time. If you do, we'll never hear from you again.

Sep 01, 05 - 02:19 pm Comment from: ron

I think Rob has come to the Enderle of the road.

Sep 01, 05 - 02:21 pm Comment from: diamond

rlhamon "must of forgot" junior high grammar. Once you master that people may begin to listen to your opinion. Until then, you shouldn't upload such harsh feedback.

Sep 01, 05 - 02:22 pm Comment from: DustyMac

Must have or must've. C'mon people, learn the language.

Sep 01, 05 - 02:27 pm Comment from: Jeff

Rob,
Please stop spreading this fud. Steve Jobs left Apple in 1985. By then, IBM had already become the main computer platform because business trusted the IBM name. The drop in Apples marketshare wasn't a result of not licensing their software, it was a result of them resting on their laurels for over a decade. They thought they were a hardware company when in fact they were a software company. Gasp! I can hear people screaming now. But its true and Steve Jobs knows its true. Apple had a 10 year lead on Microsoft for OS's. And they let it slip away. Steve Jobs started NeXT and NeXTStep was years ahead of anything else. Now its called OS X and its still a good 5 years ahead of anything Microsoft has. I don't blame Steve at all for the lost marketshare but I will blame him if Apple doesn't regain market share by offering OS X to the masses.

Sep 01, 05 - 02:32 pm Comment from: Follower

Hey, at least Rob gets the capitalization of "iPod" right (unlike certain newspapers). Something he fails to do with Rio. Or maybe he's just shouting the name every time he types it.

I am disappointed, though, that he doesn't report on how dangerous a projectile a Rio Carbon could be in a tornado.

Sep 01, 05 - 02:41 pm Comment from: zupchuck

This is funny - a couple of articles ago, MDN chastises "lazy developers" and now says in the current "take": "..the Macintosh platform required and still requires huge investments by developers to create compatible software. So, when faced with budgetary contraints, they chose and still sometimes choose to go with the most popular platforms."

So are they lazy or faced with the contraints of the market?

Sep 01, 05 - 02:41 pm Comment from: Dave H

Rob's spelling of RIO is just a typo. The last character is supposed to be a P.

Sep 01, 05 - 02:54 pm Comment from: MS

is not capable of building a better platform. If they even had a hint of a clue, it would be out already. iTunes/iTMS shows that it isn't all that tough - a fairly straight foward piece of software that integrates easily and smoothly with the hardware. That seems counter the MS approach.

Sep 01, 05 - 03:09 pm Comment from: Jim

Diamond's comment about rlhamon is simply stupid. The last time I checked the right to free speech didn't include a junior high grammar clause. The man can say what he likes, harsh or not. Attacking him on his grammar is the juvenile response seen so often in chat rooms and blogs. If Diamond doesn't like my commentary on his missive, then he's free to post back.

As harsh as my comment directed at Diamond is, still... it's free speech. Last time I checked, that was a good thing.

MDN word is "bring" as in bring it on.

Sep 01, 05 - 03:09 pm Comment from: JulesLt

Indeed - people forget that the real 'Mac' evolution runs through NeXT. But Enderle is right that Apple might be making the same mistake again, especially with iPod - of course the critical thing in all this is timing. One day it will be forced on them (if they win 95 or 100% of the music market) but I think it will be before then. Perhaps when Bill comes grovelling to Steve . . .

Sep 01, 05 - 03:20 pm Comment from: MacDoctor

The shame is that there are a lot of people will listen to this fool and take what he says as gospel.

Sep 01, 05 - 03:48 pm Comment from: Pale Rider

Sorry Jim, I am with Diamond. Yes, your "missive," if you can call it that, is free speech, but there is nothing wrong with pointing out the obvious: if your writing, including your grammar, suggests a lack of experience or intelligence, folks are less likely to take it seriously. Whether or not your free speech is a "good thing" is solely a question of whether or not free speech in the abstract is a good thing [it is, of course]; your particular words may be worthless. Of course, in this particular forum, there is no such thing as free speech. This forum has an owner. The owner can decide what stays or goes here. By definition, that is not free speech. But in any forum, whether moderated or not, the eloquence with which an author expresses his or her views can have some effect on its impact. That's all Diamond said. In a sense, every forum, free or otherwise, has a "junior high gramamr clause." I could not care less whether you agree or not.

Sep 01, 05 - 04:07 pm Comment from: PC Apologist

Holy Crap!

MDN hinting at licensing FairPlay? Wild.

Of course, MDN is still condoning licensing it only when/if it fails to be successful at meeting its anti-competitive goals. So the world's not upside-down quite yet. Still, a spark.

Sep 01, 05 - 04:21 pm Comment from: Rainy Day

Actually, Apple missed the boat in the 1980’s not so much because they “failed to license” the Mac OS as much as they insisted on commanding such large profit margins on their hardware.

Mac’s were so much more expensive in the 1980’s that folks simply settled for Windoze boxes. Had Apple simply lowered their prices, they would have retained a much healthier market share.

Sculley was a traditional CEO who focused on quarterly profits. Licensing the Mac OS wouldn’t have been necessary, just as it isn’t today.

Sep 01, 05 - 04:23 pm Comment from: Jim

Pale Rider....

Your post is interesting, and I agree with a lot of it... until you look at Diamond's post and his last phrase which reads... "Until then, you shouldn't upload such harsh feedback."

His real argument is with the harsh feedback, and his disrespectful treatment of the original poster is simply a disguise to hide his feelings behind. He attacks the small grammatical mistake as a way to turn the discussion to a question of intelligence and not that the subject of the post was about... which was humor. Satirical to be sure, but still humor.

Every forum doesn't have a junior high grammar clause, contrary to your assertion. Just the ones where some people are more concerned with putting people in their place than the ones where people are concerned with the exchange of ideas and opinions.

Still my argument stands. In short... putting someone down for grammatical errors because you disagree with their post is juvenile. The fact that you don't care whether or not I agree with you is mute... since this is a forum for debate and discussion, it's not about personal feelings. Or at least... it shouldn't be.

Jim

PS... the definition of "missive" according the the handy dictionary widget on dashboard is "a letter, especially a long or official one".

so yes... I guess I will call my original post a missive.

Sep 01, 05 - 04:56 pm Comment from: E. Bittatytzoff

How long are we going to have to listen to this argument? Why does everyone think Apple's goal must be to be the majority platform. Maybe, just maybe their goal is to make the best computer. I don't think you will ever see the Mac OS sold strictly as software. If the Macintosh disappears, it disappears. So far it hasn't, they seem to be making plenty of money, and people that have Macs are pretty happy with them. It's just this weird "fan" base that seems to have a bug up it's collective ass that Apple MUST become the dominant platform, and that they should do anything to get there, including compromising the Mac experience by making it a one size fits all OS for the masses.

Sep 01, 05 - 05:11 pm Comment from: Jim Yelvington

Pale Rider...

one more thing.... two examples from your post to me....
Example #1 "if your writing, including your grammar, suggests a lack of experience or intelligence, folks are less likely to take it seriously."

Example #2 "every forum, free or otherwise, has a 'junior high gramamr clause.'" (check the spelling in the second example of the word grammar)

If I was to follow your line of reasoning... then your post would be subject to question simply because you made one mistake. This illustration makes my point entirely. Thanks for your help in accomplishing this.

Sep 01, 05 - 05:44 pm Comment from: Another pedant

Jim wrote: "The fact that you don't care whether or not I agree with you is mute..."

Indeed it is - but perhaps you meant 'moot'. grin

Sep 01, 05 - 05:44 pm Comment from: dogfriend

Fudmeister

That's all I have to say about that.

Sep 01, 05 - 05:48 pm Comment from: tumok

I get sick of reading about all this <whiny> "When is Apple going to share..." crap. No other company gives a crap about sharing... Back in the '90s, I didn't see any company's going, "Poor struggling Apple, let's help them out by sharing and making our things more compatible with them so that they can play too." Nope, that didn't happen, Apple saved itself with innovation.

Apple may "share" sooner or later, as soon as they know the time is right and that they're protected, because I'm sure they know that these company's don't want Apple to "share", but to "give" so that they can "have" and increase their business... Then after they "have", they will do whatever they can to crush the opposition, which would be Apple... If any of these companies somehow got the edge up on Apple, do you think they'd "share" back?

Sep 01, 05 - 06:09 pm Comment from: jim

lol.... another pedant....

I did..... (putting on dunce cap and walking to corner)

Sep 01, 05 - 06:20 pm Comment from: John

Enderle is good at making up his own facts against Apple any chance he gets. To many people know the truth so the FUD game ain't workin no more.

Sep 01, 05 - 06:21 pm Comment from: dogfriend

rlhamon:

Rob certainly forgot to take his medication again. ; )

Sep 01, 05 - 08:03 pm Comment from: Dr. Salner Brong via iPodDailyNews

Hello, I'm Rob's doctor. I have realized after several weeks of extensive testing that Rob is a worthless. I would like to ask you to help. Remind him to take his two pounds of cyanide. It'll cure him. Trust me. smile

Sep 01, 05 - 08:23 pm Comment from: Synthmeister

Apple did not lose a dominant because it failed to license it's OS. It failed for at least three other reasons. (Okay, five reasons.)
First, the Mac NEVER had 40% market share, that was the Apple II line. At most, the Mac OS had around 20% market share. The iPod, on the other hand is currently almost totally dominant at around 80% market share.
Second, in spite of a somewhat "dominant" position with the Apple II line, unfortunately it was totally incompatible with Mac. Hence, the Apple II customer base simply did not migrate to Macs. Windows 1.0 might have been a hack OS, but it did allow customers to migrate from DOS. There is NO analogy to this problem for Apple with the iPod. Anyone can migrate their previous "software" (CDs) to an iPod.
Third, related to the second, is that the Mac had to have a whole new group of developers/software produced for it to be any value. Windows developers, on the other hand, could still run their DOS crap on Windows PCs for years. With the iPod, you don't need developers. The "software" (digital music) is "platform agnostic," i.e. any MP3 player can function with music from any CD and the online music stores all have the same catalog of music.
Fourth, the iPod/iTunes/iTMS combo is totally, completely and seamlessly cross-platform. None of the other online music options can make that claim. The original Mac was obviously not cross platform.
Finally, can you spell M-I-S-M-A-N-A-G-E-M-E-N-T. From about 1985 till Steve Jobs returned, Apple was probably one of the worst managed companies in the world. They had terrible inventory control for example. One product would be sold out with thousands of backorders and another would be piled up by the thousands in warehouses. Apple could have easily gone after higher market share by lowering their prices but their CEOs were so enamored with fat profit margins, they didn't seem to notice that their 20% market share was shrinking to single digits.
(Okay, five reasons.)
Nowadays Apple is a very lean, mean company. Although iPods can be somewhat more expensive than their competitors, the difference is not like the difference used to be with Macs and PCs. Apple seems very ready, willing and eager to change strategy, pricing, features, etc. to remain the dominant player in digital music.

That's my take (borrowing heavily from Daringfireball.)

Sep 01, 05 - 08:26 pm Comment from: Max

RainyDay has highlighted some actual history. Thanx.

Tumok has brought up some very interesting points. I happen to agree.

I also noticed that NONE of the posters that always scream about the massive amount of wanton zealotry here, have cried foul regarding this clear display of ignorance and/or FUD. Yep, awful quiet. Or quite awful.

Sep 01, 05 - 09:30 pm Comment from: MacJack

Windows isn't dominant because it's better, but because it just happens to come preinstalled on over 90% of computers. The ignorant masses don't even know what an operating system is, they just buy a PC based on availability and/or price.

I guess that's why Apple bases its advertising on the computer's appearance, and doesn't even bother trying to explain the OS advantage.

Sep 01, 05 - 11:50 pm Comment from: Missed one...

Why hasn't anyone hit John's grammar yet?

"To many people know the truth..."

I think he meant, too many people.

Get him boys!!!

What fun, what fun... I do say.

Sep 02, 05 - 07:52 am Comment from: DudeMac

Sub Moron

IF Enderle = idiot
THEN ignore
ELSE still ignore

END Sub

Sep 02, 05 - 08:43 am Comment from: MacDoctor

MacJack, you raise a very good point. And on top of that many people I have spoken with really don't know that they really have a choice other than Windows.

Sep 02, 05 - 09:52 am Comment from: zupchuck

Max,

You said: "I also noticed that NONE of the posters that always scream about the massive amount of wanton zealotry here, have cried foul regarding this clear display of ignorance and/or FUD. Yep, awful quiet. Or quite awful."

Would you care to explain what "this clear display of ignorance and/or FUD" might be? It isn't exactly clear from your post and could any number of things.

Sep 02, 05 - 12:04 pm Comment from: Jim

Microsoft made a better OS? Because it sold the most? Right, because we all know that McDonald's makes the best food in the world.

Sep 02, 05 - 12:57 pm Comment from: Max

Zup,

Okay, I'll bite.

You asked: Would you care to explain what "this clear display of ignorance and/or FUD" might be? It isn't exactly clear from your post and could any number of things.

Sorry chum, I don't think I can. I'm afraid that I can only disapoint you.

FWIW. I again refer you to Jeff, Synthmeister, Tumok and RainyDay for answers. They have made comments that should clear up any confusion you have regarding what is and what is not.

Sep 02, 05 - 01:19 pm Comment from: dogfriend

Re:"this clear display of ignorance and or FUD"

I would refer to the last paragraph quoted in the article. Almost everything stated in that paragraph is FUD in my opinion.

Sep 02, 05 - 01:34 pm Comment from: Big Hungry Purple Guy™

Jim, if you every qualify the Filet-O-Fish as food, then you may like it. You have to get it on a toasted bun rather than the 'steamed' bun, and without 'cheese'. cheese

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