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I installed anti-virus software, and it uninstalled Windows!

And this is coming from Symantec?

They can't even keep their own software secure and working correctly on either Mac's or PC's.

http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/most_people_shirt.jpg

"It'd be impossible to be less surprised."

At Microsoft's incompetence or Symantec's FUD machinations?

Remember there were guys looking through the magnifying glasses to determine who won the Presidential election?

Best anti-virus solution ever:

format c:

HA!

"It'd be impossible to be less surprised."

At Microsoft's incompetence or Symantec's FUD machinations?

Both?

There's MS, already controls the world's OS, then there's Symantec - for some reason they think they need to be installed on everybodies computer irregardless of platform... hhmmmmm... I wonder why?

Seriously, Symantec needs to go away and reivent itself while they've still got an operating budget to work with.

"...for some reason they think they need to be installed on everybodies [sic] computer irregardless of platform.."

Mr. Peabody.....Symantec was created by thinking LIKE a virus. personally I think it is more like a plague

The Virtual Bookeeper is open! Many different bets you can place on the new MSFT vapourware, such as:

• Will it actually make retail shelves at all
• Time frame for first exploited vulnerability
• Type of first documented attack
• Time frame of first complaint from Third party
• First court case re intellectual property
• First court case re patent infringement

and lots more!!!

Visit http://www.immakingitallup.org

I just think the MDN take and some of the responses are a little hypocritical.

Remember when Apple came under fire for its vulnerabilities and people here pointed out that it didn't seem right that Apple was being criticised for vulnerabilities that it had since patched? Well, that's exactly what's happened here. Symantec tested earlier builds and admits that more recent builds have patched the flaws that they had previously found.

I'm no MS apologist, but fair's fair.

I love a good virus waged on the PC world a much as the next mac guy, but all this news is coming from Symantec. If we don't trust them when they're slinging FUD on osX to sell their software, we certainly can't begin trusting them because they're slinging FUD with the PC os. We can't have it both ways.

I'd take this with a grain of salt. I'm not saying Vista is any better than XP on security, just that Symantec saying it is FUD at it's best. Yawn.

A pox on both their houses!





Very appropriate MDN word, "Followed" as in:

Since both companies were most interested in making a profit without delivering value, it followed that the one who got twisted in the middle is still the customer.

You can make a profit without manipulating the customer, but some companies just don't trust that idea enough.

What's happened to Symantec? In the last couple of weeks they've praised OS X and knocked M$. I don't know what to expect out of them anymore. The end as we know it must be upon us.

"Irregardless" is NOT a word.

Regaridng, means about something.
Regardless means NOT about something.
Irregardless, if a word, which it isn't, would negate regardless, meaning irregardless, if it were a word, would mean regarding.

DUMMY!

What did you expect them to say? Seriously? Did you think they were going to say Vista is so secure you won't need their products? Me thinks NOT!

MS needs to EOL Windows and start with a true network OS just like the tough decision Apple had to make to knife Copeland and buy Next.

vocab,
Thank you. I stand, or sit, corrected. I have to say that, while the three dictionaries I used to verify your correction all stated that, "...carefull users of English..." avoid using this strange extrapolation, it, non the less, was in all three.

Cheers

I meant, "...careful users of English...", etc.

My parents have a Sony Vaio with Windows XP. It works well. We only boot it up on Sundays to run the anti-virus, anti-spyware, Microsoft update software.

That works great.

Tera Patricks
Mac360

That's okay. For just a little more money, you can buy Windows Defender and not have to worry about it.

Vocab...

"Regaridng" is not a word either. At least if you're gonna be a pin-head, use the spell check moron!

Tera,
You and Bambi write great articles - any you're hotties!

Keep up the good work in both regards.

Sorry, should have said "and you're hotties!"

Must have gotten all flustered.

You know what bothers me about this article? Is it still FUD when it is likely to be true? I know that VISTA = Viruses, Instability, Spyware, Trojans, Adware but doesn't Symantec = Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt? I wouldn't trust Symantec any further than Monkey Boy can throw an office chair.

Microsoft's "improvements" cause "instability"? Does this mean that Microsoft’s best efforts are doomed to depressing failure, or at best, reduced to wretched disappointment?

Microsoft's "improvements" cause "instability"? Does this mean that Microsoft’s best efforts are doomed to depressing failure, or at best, reduced to wretched disappointment?

Yes, I think that is the only logical conclusion.

You can find the referenced paper here:

http://www.symantec.com/enterprise/security_response/whitepapers.jsp

specifically:

http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/reference/ATR-VistaAttackSurface.pdf

'While it is reassuring that Microsoft is finding and fixing these defects, we expect that vulnerabilities will continue to be discovered for some time

Classic Symantec FUD.

What's Symantec gonna do? Sell a Vista security package for any holes that MIGHT be found in the future? Sound like their same tactic for OS X antivirus software. Pretty hilarious to sell protection against things that don't exist.

And WTF is with Symantec thinking they're the only ones who can do security? At last check their wares weren't any better than Microsoft's.

Here's a Symantec Response blog post about the whitepaper:

http://www.symantec.com/enterprise/security_response/weblog/2006/07/post.html