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The guy that says it's only available to 5% of the market is incorrect. It's available to 100% of the market. They just need to buy a Mac.

To think, they buy the PC because "no software is available for the Mac" and now this happens. And we're supposed to care why?

Ha ha ha ha ha!!!

Oi, I posted that. Why did it come up as jfbiii?

MDN, you're not running this thing on SQL Server are you?

Very well put Jimbo! You are a god!

Dave, I've been wondering why it can't remember my name and I have to type it in each time even though I always click "remember me."

Great point, though. For actually doing anything that matters (with the possible exception of gaming, which I never thought mattered) there is no real software divide. And to the extent that there is a divide, it's limited to fringe software (that I really don't have any use for) and to worms and viruses that are only useful as a source of amusement for those not affected by them.

Made me smile. Windows users are finding less and less reasons to buy a Windows-box over a Macintosh nowadays.

Jimbo's point is not a good one at all. iLife is not available to everyone, because not everyone has a Mac. One wouldn't claim every game title is available to us Mac users, or that Mac owners can use DVD@ccess features, provided we buy a PC. It's stupid and arrogant.

But iLife shouldn't be available to PC users. iTunes and Quicktime are pretty much essential for both platforms given Apple's business strategies. The rest are what makes a Mac a Mac.

The "remember me" feature hasn't worked since MDN went down a while back.

iTunes is necessary to support iTMS and iPod. That's the only reason it was ported to Windows. The others will also be ported if they are necessary to support an Apple money-maker. If Apple comes out with a camera, look for an iPhoto port.

People clamor for iPhoto for Windows, but what they don't realize is that iPhoto leans heavily on Quartz, which windows aint got. "Never had it, never will," as the old 7up ad used to say. I doubt that Long(time-to-wait)horn's graphics engine will match with today's Quartz.

"... They just need to buy a Mac." In which case, iLife is bundled at no additional charge.

Given the cpu and dvd requirements, iLife is actually available to an even smaller "percentage of the market", no matter how you qualify it.

iLife for windows would sell like hotcakes, even a bloated version. I bet it was actually a tough call for them whether to produce one or not. On the one hand you make a ton of easy money on software (just like MS), and give windows users a glimpse of the ease and power of well designed software, probably prompting some switching, while on the other hand, by not making it available to windows, you keep the mac covenant intact.

Windows users clamor even more for OS X on X86. Keep dreaming on both counts. I'll never for the life of me understand why these types don't just go with an eMac for $799. They'd get it all for not very much money (certainly less than a copy of Win XP Pro, all of the Norton virus crap they have to buy and run, not to mention the productivity hit they take running Windows instead of the superior Mac OS X). You want Mac OS X, iLife and everything else? get an eMac, try it out and you'll see what we're talking about and we'll welcome you with open arms.

I kinda feel bad for the fools who are brainwashed by Microsoft that Windows is the only operating system that they can run. You know I am really starting to believe that smarter people do use Mac's. Where not easily brainwashed in believing something and we try to pull the rest of the fools out of you security and virus ridden computer life.

Okay - one more time...

Apple is a HARDWARE company! Period!!
Apple also develops the software (OS as well as applications) to provide their users with a COMPLETE computer system.

Porting the OS and aps to the PC hardware would REDUCE Apple hardware sales. It is that simple. Why is this so confusing for some people?

There is nothing stopping Dell or HP from creating their own OS to work with their hardware, but they choose to go a cheaper route and decided to use the generic MS Windows OS. They got what they paid for.

Taking the Apple-like concept further...
If all hardware manufacturers originally had their own OS, then there would be a necessity for each OS to translate (compile) a unified/raw programming language into their own. This would have resulted in all computers being able to run the same (pre-compiled) program. It is like buying a cake mix in a box. You mix it and cook it yourself. This would also have spurred tremendous advancement in CPUs as well as operating systems, as they compete to cook the same raw code better than their competitor. Manufacturers wouldn't have to wait for Microsoft, which must grunt along trying to please hardware's least-comon-demoninator. Programmers could concentrate on code, not platform compatibility, and a virus wouldn't have ANY chance of spreading.

But, don't expect such a radical change to a better life. Humans are inherently lazy, and if it weren't for the occasional hardworking genius, we'd all still be sitting naked in a cave.

What is it with this entitlement trip so many people have these days with just about everything in life?

Apple doesn't owe Windows users JACK, yet so many of them whine and cry as if somehow it does.

As was said, if you want this, and other great far superior software suites from Apple, I am afraid you are going to have to buy the hardware and operating system that makes these great tools possible!

Its not rocket science!

OS X + Macintosh hardware = Ease of use - Reliability - Seemless Integration. You take out the first two and add Windows and Intel into the mix and all bets are off. Why is this concept so hard for the Windoze drones to grasp????

Sheesh! If you want to play... Buy a Mac and STFU!

I was looking at Apple's site to see what I am missing by not spending thousands of dollars to get iLife, and noticed a program called Virex. This is just the ultimate in preemptive medicine, since macs don't get virii? Does anyone use Virex? Are these macafee guys like the Maytag repairman to the nth degree?

Joe, virus protection software is just as essential to mac owners as PC owners. Not because we get infected by the viruses, but because they can still appear in our e-mails and such and be spread by us.

Since when buing an eMac for about $800-900 started amounting to thousands? Remember iLife comes free with any new Mac. I bought mine for 49 €.
Mac OS X does not have virii, yes, but were no fools, one day there just might be and with Virex were prepared. My Virex came free with .Mac, I didn't buy it separately.

Macfinn, I need multimonitor support (3) and would need a lot of ram and cpu speed to run my charting programs on VPC, so an emac is not for me.

But if I were you, you would be right. I don't do that movie/photo stuff anyway, it was just curiosity.

Thanks rageous, makes perfect sense.

his is just the ultimate in preemptive medicine, since macs don't get virii? Does anyone use Virex? Are these macafee guys like the Maytag repairman to the nth degree?

Most of us use VIREX for preventing WORD macro virus infections. Another lovely gift from your side of the isle. ;o)

Other than that, VIREX is all but useless for Mac users. I have never had a OS virus alert from it in the 8 years I have run it on my machines. I am even less concerned now that we are running OS X on everything.

As for the thousands of dollars to run iLIFE? Sheesh. Will you ever stop with the clueless hyperbole? Besides, I seriously doubt you would have any need for such a creative tool box in the first place, so why even bother?

Stick to tearing open your Wintel box every other day to fix something and reinstalling Windows once a month. Thats still the perfect hobby for you.

thanks for the info RV. Clueless would be the person who does not read the entire thread before posting, no?

I guess I should take time to deny your hyperbole RV, since you might construe silence as surrender. I haven't done anything to this box since I installed my extra vid card last year, and haven't had to reinstall windows since February 03, when I went to a 160 gig hd.

Windows, 2000 at least, does work a lot better than that 95/98 crap which did require *loving* care and lots of swearing. LOTS.

"OS X + Macintosh hardware = Ease of use - Reliability - Seemless Integration."

R.V., your math seems a bit off today. It's supposed to be
OS X + Macintosh hardware = Ease of use + Reliability + Seamless Integration. Reliablitity and Seamless Integration are positive values. Well, that is unless you are one of those Wintel fanboys or IT.

What is it with Wintel fanboys? You can't extrapolate from one data point. So often you hear, well I never get a virus, so nobody gets any viruses. Or, I never get BSoD, so it doesn't exist. Or, I never get any conflicts, so it must be a Windows haters' invention. Believe it or not, you are not the center of the universe.

Man was jfbiii ever so right.

Windoze users don't need iLife they just need " a life". I suppose lemmings are rather limited though.

Here is a recipe to help them relate. It was created to accompany cold avocado soup with chili coriander cream. Can be prepared in 45 minutes or less but requires additional unattended time.

1/4 cup sour cream
1/4 cup plain yogurt
2 garlic cloves, chopped
1 fresh jalapeño or other fresh green chili, seeded and chopped (wear rubber gloves), or to taste
2 cups packed fresh coriander, washed well and spun dry

In a blender or small food processor blend together all ingredients with salt and pepper to taste, scraping down sides, until very smooth. Cream may be made 6 hours ahead and chilled, covered.

Makes about 2/3 cup.

Apple SHOULD offer it for Windows machines...

BUT, they should charge about $750 for the Windows version and keep the Mac version at $50.

$1300 for a low-end iMac that includes the iLife apps, what a deal! It's like getting the computer for $550 when buy the programs.

That might switch a few of the Wintelers, and if not, well, Apple gets to keep the profits.

Nobody, I guess you are referring at least peripherally to me as a fanboy. Your point about extrapolation is exactly right, and your inference that I do that is wrong. What I have posted elsewhere about bsod and virii aren't expected to lead to a conclusion that those things don't exist, rather, to point out that the party line at this site, which would imply that these things are ubiquitous, is exaggerated. It seems to me that your erroneous conclusion might result from your own self centered insecurity, but not having any more than street smarts about psychology, nor giving a rats ass anyway, I withhold judgement.

No Apple shouldn't make it for windows and charge boatloads of money, because one wintel clown will buy it then share it with 100,000,000 of his closest kazaa buddies.

Apple should offer it for windows. Why? To establish control. Control of what? Consumer digital video, audio, and photo software market. What will they do with their power? Whatever they want? Would I consider buying a PC if iLife was available for it? No! Why? Because I want to use OSX and stay virus free!

Jimbo:

Well said!

Larry Hart:

Ouch!

McConnell,
I am insecure? See... you don't know anything about me but you already call me things. I am not the one who buy an Intel box so that my friends likes me or con a company to stick with Microsoft so that my job is secure.

About exaggeration, yeah, right. When Nimda was out there, that was an exaggeration. So was when SoBig was out there. Blaster. Welchia. Bugbear. Minmail. MyDoom. They are all exaggeration. There was no Net slowdown, there were no companies that got hammered. Fine, you can be in denial, cover your ear and say la-la-la. But there is a real world out there and it is not pretty.

Don't worry Joe some of us like you poor hopeless cases, you pay our wages ;o)

Lots of your fellow window users get plenty of bsod (saw one on XP last week!) and viruses, and we get paid to pick up the pieces. Of course we were smart enough to make sure we chose the right computers for ourselves!