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At last my evil plan has come to fruition!!! Ha! Ha! Ha! Haaaaa.....

If ya dont want spyware .... get a Mac !!

DUH !!

Honestly..... can people really be that dumb ?

"Honestly..... can people really be that dumb ?"

Judging by relative market share.....Yes!

When somebody else does it, it's "spyware".

When MS (or their soon-to-be-wholly-owned subsidiary) does it, it is "pro-active customer profiling support."

the day i pull something sleasy like this, feel free to stop using my machines.

Which is worse, morally? The computer industry or the oil industry? I'm having trouble determining this for myself.

This is troubling news, but not untypical of Microsoft's moral practices. Look after your mates I think it's called.

This is at least as bad as putting a Koran on a tv set.

you wrote "This is at least as bad as putting a Koran on a tv set."

why? what does this have to do with msfts crummy business atitude towards adware or spyware?

now i can understand notasucker's response, 'cause the oil industry as of late get's away with price gauging a la $2.50/gallon prices. to say this is as bad as putting the koran on a tv set is without merrit, and only illustrates your ignorance and bigotry.

Re: Joe

Flame away!

"Which is worse, morally? The computer industry or the oil industry? I'm having trouble determining this for myself..."

I think it's the ignorant bend-everything-to my-worldview anonymous poster industry.

What is wrong with the oil industry selling gas based on the world price for oil. Americans have the cheapest gas prices in the world. Try buying gas in Europe.

You can't buy oil from the owners of that oil at a discount. Why should the owners of that oil give a discount? Would you willingly discount your personal wages or services or products? If the demand was there why would you?

Don't blame the oil companies for the world price for oil, blame the Arab controlled oil cartel and the commodity traders, most of whom are Americans.

And this is a mac story????
Oh yeah I forgot I am at PC Daily News....

Al sez - "Try buying gas in Europe..........Don't blame the oil companies for the world price for oil, blame the Arab controlled oil cartel and the commodity traders, most of whom are Americans."

Al, your intentions are noteworthy, but your facts are a bit muddled.
Gas is basically the same price in the U.S. as in Europe - the only difference is that 80% (and more) of the pump price of gas in western Europe is made up of TAXES. TAXES!
Taxes put on by bumbling, incompentant bureacratic politicians.

And the price of oil is based on demand. Who is the new customer that is sucking up all the oil in order to have a 30 day hoard of gas and oil for each citizen in its country?
CHINA. China is the main reason for the oil price rising - they are buying up gas and oil to stuff in the the ground as a gigantic strategic reserve.
Why?
Because they plan to go to war against Taiwan when....guess when China will have its strategic reserve in place? Around 2007-2009.
As soon as they go to war, the U.S. will put a blockade on the ports of China, cuttin off their oil.
China will then, it is worried, move north the Russia to grab its natural resources.
Scary situations coming up in the next years....and MDN is worried about spyware on a PC.

Microsoft: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.

easy there, not Al - which special edition game of Risk have you kids been playing?

when did China become the bogeyman? I agreed about gas taxes, but then your post spiraled downward...

Micro$oft - It's okay if we say it's okay, 'cause we know what's best for you... just like your momma.

mac dood:

"Honestly..... can people really be that dumb ?"

As a university educator: The answer is a resounding yes. I'm surrounded by mediocre students constantly.

The question should be more accurately worded as: "Why on G-d's green earth were these people allowed to survive past birth?"

Isn't it nice not having to worry about spyware?

"Honestly..... can people really be that dumb ?" (mac dude) "As a university educator: The answer is a resounding yes. I'm surrounded by mediocre students constantly." (Jim)

'Jim' have you heard the one that goes something like "those who can do, those who cannot teach".

Just checking.


On another topic: Yes, Bill Gates and crew are scum. But I'm more interested in how the hell he is allowed to keep shafting consumers. Interested to hear from the American "Lefties" and "Righties" on their system that allows him to flourish.

Rock on Steve!

"Yes, Bill Gates and crew are scum. But I'm more interested in how the hell he is allowed to keep shafting consumers. Interested to hear from the American "Lefties" and "Righties" on their system that allows him to flourish."
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Caveat emptor. If people are stupid enough to fall for Microsoft's shenanigans, they get what they deserve. The mediocrity of their products creates an opportunity for Apple and other customer-oriented companies. I'd rather let the market self-correct than go crying to the government to fix it. At least that's my view, as one of the 10 or so libertarians left in America.

not not Al - do your homework on China.
Find the facts.

Here´s a start:
http://washingtontimes.com/specialreport/20050626-122138-1088r.htm

China is the bogeyman.
(Why do you think they are not putting pressure on North Korea to de-nuke?)

China has the ball... raising oil prices, now thundering up the right side...OOOH! they attack Taiwan!... the US moves to block, the crowd goes wild... the Chinese go for Russia's oil reserves now, Sierra Leone protests, wants a penalty... ouch! a reunified Germany attempts to rule the world again! and here's - OH MY GOODNESS! a re-animated Nikita Khrushchev appears to be banging his shoe on Kim Jong il's forhead...

We'll be back to 'Unlikely Scenarios' after these messages

I love the way we all get suspicious about Microsofts plans. Has anyone thought that they may aquire Claria to tone down the agressiveness of their spyware or to shut them down all together. It would be 500 million well spent. Proably a lot less than it would cost to keep protecting Windows from their threats.

"Which is worse, morally? The computer industry or the oil industry? I'm having trouble determining this for myself."

Let's throw the auto industry into the fray also. Why after a century of progress can the BEST autos average only 40-50 mpg, and the more-mainstream autos (in the US anyway) pull only 20-35 mpg? I won't even mention SUVs. Why is the auto industry only too happy to keep building guzzlers, and the oil industry only too happy to keep on pumping? Fsck it, the Amish are right. Hay is cheap and renewable.

As for Microsoft, fsck them too. What a pathetic, underhanded move. What next, Explorer automatically TAKES you around to whatever MS is trying to promote? Anyway you know the Windows malware fight is lost when even MS is in on it.

"...they may aquire Claria to tone down the agressiveness of their spyware..."

hey, Spymon - all a lot have to do in life is bash M$, alright? We've created a whole philosophy in which Steve is God and Bill is the devil, and I think it's pretty insensitive of you to suggest anything other than a dastardly motive here...

It's my understanding that major software titles, including operating systems, have a "buyer beware" clause on the box or in the documentation that goes something like "Not for use for mission-critical work." Essentially, that means, "Don't bet the farm on these 1s and 0s."

I hate to run to the defense of M$, but businesses, companies, corporations, educational institutions, governments, militaries, NASA, etc. etc. assume full responsibility for the use of computers, OSs, and software.

"...Fsck it, the Amish are right. Hay is cheap and renewable..."

So, Spudgun - all hitched up for that ride to work (or school) tomorrow? Better get started now... and try to stay outta my way as I cruise past in my gas guzzler, will ya? FYI, the auto industry keeps building SUV's for guys like me, who don't want to fold themselves up like George Jetson's briefcase to get into some enviromentally-sensitive shoebox.

Besides, if I get into a crash with your buggy, I'm more likely to survive...

My Apologies "wait a minute" I am agnostic. The article caught me at a weak moment.

Spymon,

I LOVE that scenario. Buy the major offenders and shut them down. Beats the cost of developing a truly solid operating system.

Dear All,

This what I'd expect from a company that's been convicted of monopolistic practices.

Likewise I can't see the relevance to the Koran/tv sets and I also can't see the relationship to oil companies. Unless of course we all want to get into the linkage between international capitalism and M'soft. Besides not all companies are the same (er…Apple). As for the Koran/tv sets I'll let that one through to the keeper(shortstop).

Keep to the topic guys!

To Joe, actually it illustrates my sensitivity and knowledge, since I recognise neither are a BFD.

Also, I can spell, you can't. Or perhaps the foam from your mouth causes your fingers to slip willy nilly about the keyboard.

Furthermore, I use my name. Your current and no doubt past use of whichever moniker suits you makes it difficult to determine which dummy you are, but since you probably make a pointless remark in each post, what's the diff?

I can't believe that Gator is still around... I remember being annoyed by that crappy thing back in the dark times before I used macs... it's amazing how many aggravations I left behind with windows -

I HEARD SOME SECRETS OUT OF THE SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT DIVISION OF MICROSOFT WHERE THEY ARE PULLING THEIR HAIR OUT TRYING TO FINISH LONGHORN. THE BUZZ IS THAT THEY HAVE DECIDED TO REPLACE THE PREVIOUS TRASH ICON(TWO DEMENIONAL) WITH A LARGER MORE VISABLE ONE IN THE SHAPE OF A DIRTY BUS STATION TOILET ICON FOR THE TRASH OTHERWISE IT HAS THE SAME LOOK AS WINDOWS XP PEE.... DEVELOPING....

Excuse me for the spelling I had a cocktail or four....it was my birthday.
Also having to deal with the pain of covering Microsoft as my third job...

Or you could just change it to remove and be done with it...As if Steve Jobs didnt SELL ALL OF YOU OUT ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO..None of you have figured that out yet

happy trails wrote:
"some enviromentally-sensitive shoebox."

Who said anything about the environment? I'm a cheapskate who hates buying any more overpriced fuel than necessary. Gridlock doesn't care what anyone drives.

Live your lifestyle as you'd like, the oil companies salute you (just like the cigarette makers saluted our fathers).

Not Al said: "Because they plan to go to war against Taiwan when....guess when China will have its strategic reserve in place? Around 2007-2009.
As soon as they go to war, the U.S. will put a blockade on the ports of China, cuttin off their oil.
China will then, it is worried, move north the Russia to grab its natural resources."

Did you read any Tom Clancy novels lately? Does "The Bear and the Dragon" sound familiar to you?

Reality as in Reality Check