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Is Apple really ready? Seems like Rosetta is still in development. In just the last month it gained Altivec support. Is it ready?

Without Rosetta, Intel is a non-starter. What's the big hurry? Everyone wants shiney new toys? I want Apple to be known as the reliable computer company, not a paper-launcher.

Well, the rumor mill has both sides covered now. Toss a coin and take your pick.

Please. Name the last MWSF that didn't have a major computer hardware announcement? I can't think of one ever. They will have something, and it'll probably be an Intel based system(s), there is little doubt about it.

I'm with PhilR on this one--there will be SOME type of substantial hardware announcement unless Apple's plans have really fallen through, and the iPod line was refreshed quite recently. The only iPod that could use an update is the Shuffle, but that wouldn't be a very big deal.

Even if true, what's to stop another "one more thing..." type scenario.

As much as I hate to say it, this makes a lot of sense. We've all seen rumors take a legitimacy life of their own before. The sheer numbers required to launch an Intel Mac line of computers would be difficult to hide without being spotted ahead of time.
Until I hear a leak by some manufacture overseas or somewhere else, I'll be VERY skeptical.

"Please. Name the last MWSF that didn't have a major computer hardware announcement? I can't think of one ever. They will have something, and it'll probably be an Intel based system(s), there is little doubt about it."

Excellent point. For those who don't know, let's recap

2001: Titanium PowerBook, 'Digital Audio' Power Mac w/ SuperDrive
2002: 14" iBook, iMac G4
2003: 12" and 17" PowerBook G4
2004: Xserve G5 and Xserve RAID
2005: Mac mini
2006: TBA


The last time Apple held a Macworld San Francisco without new hardware was 2000. That year, we got iTools, AppleWorks 6, and a Mac OS X unveiling.

Agree naraa, we want apple to give us intelbased systems but is there really any software for it? emulated software is no joy :/

The only hardware products that haven't had an 'official' update since July are the iBook, the eMac and the mini. (For this take, the mini's speed bump in September doesn't qualify as 'official', since there never was an announcement.)

Something tells me that Steve getting up on the stage at the Moscone Center to announce an updated eMac ain't gonna happen...

As for the other two, here's hoping for some good news!!

Faster G5s and last iteration Powerbooks would be nice not to mention a new iLife but the only hardware update I really want to see is the return to firewire on the iPods. Anyone else iPOed over this switch. Throughput is now rediculously slow! Budzo, you feel me on this?

Apple is reissuing the Newton. SJ is bringin John Sculley back!!! Wanna bet?

The eMac is in an even worse situation than the iBook or Mac mini. It hasn't seen an update since May, when it was speedbumped along side the iMac.

http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2005/05/20050503090326.shtml

Mac lovers, stock analysts, and the press are like fish in a pond, waiting for Steve to sprinkle the a bit of food in January. Fish with their mouths open. Only their lips keep flapping and crap keeps coming out.

Just wait and see.

The eMac is no longer in Apple's lineup except for education institution purchases only. That happened a while back now. So you won't ever see any more new eMac announcements.

I love it. Rumors about rumors.

Now would a mac mini intel based media system be a computer or not I wonder. Surely something has to happen with the mini pretty soon. If not computers then maybe some form of handheld. Be pretty lame if all we get is some software updates, especially with all the hype.

And in 1999, MWSF saw the announcement of the Blue & White G3 with the "easy open" case. The MWSF98 was only 6 months after Jobs took over Apple.

I think the teleportating Mac is finally comin'.

YeeeeeHawwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!

Gleb, gleb.

Be pretty lame if all we get is some software updates, especially with all the hype.

Would you mind terribly informing me of the last Apple event which this was not true of.

I would not be the least bit surprised if Apple stops holding some of its "regular" events in light of the crazed rumour frenzy and the resulting stock dips and spikes.

The QUANTUM MAC is here.

http://www.cs.caltech.edu/~westside/quantum-intro.html

Whoah. Are those Jessica Simpson's legs and derriere? Jesus.

I gotta get out of my office someday.

what do ViiV and Vingle have in common?

"I think the teleportating Mac is finally comin'."

Mac users will complain about that somehow. Waahh it only goes back in time 100 years. Waaahh. Its 500 bucks. Im waiting for iTeleMac 2.0

My 2¢

I think that MWSF will be more about software announcements than hardware.

If you think Steve Jobs will go on stage without some hardware for the famous 'One more Thing' routine, you are crazy.

Somewhere at Apple HQ a few days ago.

Steve J: Ok everybody, next item. You all know how I love to get the Apple and Tech press worlds all in a titter for those speeches of mine...so per the norm, we want to throw up as much of a smoke screen as possible for the MacWorld keynote address. Hmmmm..what do you say we do the whole "say the opposite of what's going to happen thing."

Phil S: Yes! Yes! Oh that sounds like a great idea. Your best idea yet. Steve you're great!

Jon: Aww we did that last time Steve come on! Think different!

Steve J: Hey! (pointing finger) You can't say "think different" in these meetings...ever! You have to put a dollar in the bowl on the way out the door.

Jon R: Ohhh jeez, OK OK another dollar for your bowl. Sorry.

Phil S: Wow! Steve that was a great idea to make Jon put a dollar in your bowl for saying that thing that we don't say in these meetings.

Jon R: Anyone know how many more days til March 31st?

Phil S; Oh Jon you big joker! HA HA HA HA HA HA!

(uncomfortable silence)

Steve J: (looking annoyed at Phil) So we all agree to my cunning plan, then...Right?!?!?

(silence)

Steve J: Goooood (wringing hands) OK everybody go tell your "secret contacts" that you have been instructed that attendance of top Apple brass at my awesome keynote is not expected. With all the talk of new intel machines for the 10th. That should really confuse the hell out of them, since everyone knows that if there is a big announcement...all Apple department heads have to be there for it. Oh and you all better be there for my Keynote or my dollar bowl is going to be filling up.

Phil S: Oh yes! Yes! What a great and different idea Steve!

Steve J: Oh shut up Phil...

Derek Picone reports for TechWB.

From what I can tell, this is a student with a blog, and he wanted some hits. He certainly got them. This rumor is friend-of-a-friend-of-a-friend nonsense.

I can't believe that MDN posted this, let alone gave it any credibility whatsoever. You have just lost your right to say anything about Enderle, in perpetuity.

MW: "weeks" as in "Too many weeks of this crud left before MWSF.

No firewire on new ipods is ridiculous. Love my mac, love my first generation ipod, but USB? I understand being able to sell to the PC using customer, but why take 3 steps backwards and make us Mac users suffer. What's next...the return of the Apple IIgs?

It would be kind of typical of Apple to wait until everyone else had Yonah laptops, and THEN release their own.

Come on guys, let's be honest. Why the rush? As someone already noted, Rosetta isn't ready. How many other programs are already Intel-compatible? Is even Microsoft Office ready? Anything other than the Apple suites?

They come out with an Intel PB or Intel Desktop, and it'll run as slow as the G3s until the programs are ready a few months later. Not worth it.

Let's hope for real announcements.

"Be pretty lame if all we get is some software updates, especially with all the hype."

Odd statement since it is the press and the rumormongers that are creating the hype- not Apple. It's all pure speculation. Your best bet is to go into these things with very few and conservative expectations, that way you will most likely be pleasently surprised! There are a few things I would like to see come out of it, but I'm not holding my breath. iLife '06 comes to mind, as well as Pages v2 and a spreadsheet program.

bottom of the barrel web piece, period [MW]

A new flat eMac?

"Please. Name the last MWSF that didn't have a major computer hardware announcement?"

Doesn't matter. If Intel Macs are not ready, then they are NOT READY! it doesn't matter what Apple wants, or what they have done before, if it just can't be done.

Maybe they can be ready. Maybe not. Maybe it will happen a month later. We'll know soon enough.

My, won't this be the most anti-climatic Macworld ever if true. I sure hope it's wrong. I want powerful announcements and earthshaking movements in hardware.

I think everyone needs to take all these rumors with a grain of salt whether or not they do or don't announce intel Macs. I also think that no one at Apple will say anything about Mac World because even most people in the company don't know what announcements will be made. I know personally a Service and product engineer and he doesn't even get this kind of info. So take it or leave it but don't bother getting all riled up. It's best to just wait and find out when they announce. If they announce intel Macs great, if not oh well but you know it won't be to far off anyways.

Maybe the Mac mini DVR is going to be the announcement after all. Think about it. It could have a Yonah, but Rosetta wouldn't really be necessary because it's meant as a living room appliance and ships with all the Apple-made, UB software it will ever need already installed.

I'm going to be really surprised if there are new iBooks, PowerBooks, etc. announced. It's not that I don't think Apple could pull it off, but they have to rely on their developers to make this change too. If they start shipping and everything has to run through Rosetta, I think that would be a big mistake.

Well, if Yonah (dopey name) processors are being officially announced around the beginning of January, then it makes no sense that Apple would NOT be announcing and releasing new machines based on them in the same time frame.

I would assume that Apple will need substantial time to get this MASSIVE hardware/software shift going and to get everything working properly. The last thing that Apple could handle is some kind of bug storm after finally releasing Intel based Macs, whether they be minis, iBooks or PowerBooks.

Also, let's hope that Apple WILL NOT be putting those VILE "Intel Inside" stickers on OUR Macs!

Steve Jobs told me over dinner last night, that new iBooks are indeed comming January

If no new Macs are announced at Macworld, is this an effort by Apple to make these big events redundant and announce their products during "special events" as they did more this year?

Boston/New York's has gone,... is San Francisco's on death row too?

I’ve been saying it since last June: SJ will announce at least one Intel based Macintosh at MWSF and ship before the end of the month.

Remember those rumors about Apple pressuring Intel for early delivery of the Yonah? Now Intel is set to announce it the week before MW. Put two and two together folks. The handwriting is on the wall and it all points to portables/mini at MWSF.

As regards software not being ready: There actually are quite a few apps which are already universal binaries. For those that aren’t, it’s not wise to wait till they are (i.e. Apple might never ship an Intel Mac). Look how long it took Adobe to make a MacOS X build!

ndelc writes: “I'm going to be really surprised if there are new iBooks, PowerBooks, etc. announced. It's not that I don't think Apple could pull it off, but they have to rely on their developers to make this change too. If they start shipping and everything has to run through Rosetta, I think that would be a big mistake.”

Well that was their strategy for MacOS X, and it worked. I don’t see why this is any different. Developers sometimes need some prodding. Waiting for developers to get on-board before shipping Intel Macintoshes ain’t gonna happen folks. Apple would essentially be held hostage by them. It would be foolish for Apple to wait for that reason alone.

I predict that M$ will not ship universal binaries for quite some time. They want to do everything possible to impede Apple’s transition to Intel. Think about it. It’s their MO (and it may backfire on them too.) It wouldn’t surprise me if Apple is anticipating this, and will roll out a spreadsheet app with the Intel Macs.

Rosetta is in your future, just as the Classic environment was for the MacOS X transition. Get used to the idea.

They're not going to be called Yonahs, they're going to be called Napas. Just like Pentium Ms were called Centrinos.

Of course there will be hardware announcements and software upgrades but just no Intel books yet.
Sure maybe Stevie will say we are on schedule for June releases of intel hardware but it's simply too soon.
Jesus this takes a lot of work people.

MacDailyNews Take: Rumor. Take at least two grains of salt with this one and call us on January 10th.

As we should with the rumors in favor of Intel-based Macs being introduced in January.

Jamie says: "From what I can tell, this is a student with a blog, and ... This rumor is friend-of-a-friend-of-a-friend nonsense... I can't believe that MDN posted this, let alone gave it any credibility whatsoever. You have just lost your right to say anything about Enderle, in perpetuity."

MDN does have a tendancy to publicize anything written with the words "Mac" "Apple" and "Jobs", but hey - it's not indiscriminate about it. I mean, if an author does say disparaging things, they also have to be an idiot and thus easily refuted - like Enderle. Nail those criteria and your gold here, so this kid played his cards perfectly.

Here's something a little tougher to diss:
http://www.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.aspx?i=2644

Intel's new dual core Xeon server CPU (Bensley) was tested by Anandtec against the latest Opteron 280. Performance per Watt is Intel's main advantage - according to some CEOs - and so it was a big part of the testing criteria here. According to Anand, the brand new Bensley, still running almost a Gig faster then the AMD part, has finally equalled or exceeded the performance numbers of the Opteron (which we all know has been killing Intel for a while now). However, Bensley's power consumption numbers are still abysmal:

"At 40-60% load, it costs $42 a month to run a Bensley system while an Opteron system would cost $25... over a year, ... Bensley ... would cost $504 to run and an Opteron ... $300. Now, if that doesn't pique your interest, let's say that you have 40 servers at a datacenter, with the same power characteristics. Over a year, it would cost you $8,160 more to run the Bensley system... If all you care about is performance, then Bensley is [a good] ... platform..., if you want the best performance per Watt, then Opteron is [better]... At least that is what the ... results ... here dictate. Obviously, given Intel's roadmap, they are developing platforms [Woodcrest] to address performance per Watt."

Lets hope so. But it seems like everything with Intel is a massive tradeoff. Yonah (which Woodcrest will be based on) had test numbers showing an energy advantage that is just as marginal as Bensley's performance advantage, but Yonah's overall performance is well behind the best AMD has to offer. The following test results are NOT against AMDs best, and Yonah is still middling:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2627

Now, granted, this topic isn't quick OR sexy, and there isn't a single mention of Apple. But this IS the company whose technology that Apple's entire computer lineup will be wedded to soon. Why isn't MDN covering ANY kind of stuff like this, instead of some goofy college kid pretending he knows high ranking Apple execs?

I'm just askin!

Rainy Day, good point.

The reason being Apple is NOT going to launch any system with a 32-bit chip and the Yonah that Intel supposedly will announce in January is 32-bit.

Also, the Intel compiler for the chips Apple will use is still in beta and won't be finished until Apple's developer conference.

I stick to my original 64-bit roadmap for Apple. http://www.andwest.com/blojsom/blog/tatle/comments/2005/08/26/Apples-64-bit-Intel-Roadmap.html

ok, i've had it. you guys are all FREAKING MORONS.( I'll get into that in a bit ). But first, lets all bow before MacDailyNews, LORD OF THE IDIOTS for even posting such rubbish. Lets break down this logic here. Some faggot, with access to blog software (pretty much any average joe) blazes up a phatty and whips up some fabricated piece of shit to get links and these idiots and you idiots not only give it to him, you talk about it like morons for 8 hours all the while generating all this ad revenue for LORD OF THE IDIOTS while you are wasting your time in life and even reading this you have lost precious seconds (maybe minutes of u read slow) of your life that you will never get back, and to make it even worse, i'll clue you in to a little somethings: this sentance has been going on for 6 lines now without a period and I bet you're still reading this? Why? See those are question marks, like the one is baba ganoush when he asked while PhilR snorts grass water then writes stories here. Wow, period, i finally typed a PERIOD. HOLLY GOAT BALLS, are you STILL reading this? If you are reading this, your a moron who eats butternet squash and shits cabbage water JUST LIKE PHIL SCHILLER. Also want to give a little shout out to my main main, lead faggator, KenC. Sup negro? How's it hanging. You wanna know how to make eggplant parmigiana? first u wash the egg plant, t hen you cut then, oh shit, i just passed gas and it blew the flower all over. oh man, shucks., wait, what is going on? where were we? oh talkinmg about what a pansy ass cracker KenC and his girlfriend zupchuck. Now anyone who knows zupchuck knows that hes a fruitbasket-and-a-half. oh man, and he has more berries than apples. oh crap, i gotta go set of a blast from the past (make a deposit(drop the mother load) move a bawol) drop a duex)))))) on Odyssey67's head.

Yeah, you guys are all faggots. And no, MDN shouldnt have posted this story but they had to make some xtra money from the advertisements. Now we have idiots talking about eating butternut squash and excreting cabbage water on a Mac site.

The only one making any sense in here is Rainy Day, and that's cause he really is a little fruity (I know him in real life). I happen to have a PHD in Pediatrics and can confirm that there is no way you can shit cabbage water if you ate a butternut squash. If you do, you have serious problems and should see a doctor immediately.

That's not what he is saying. He's saying u need this recipe if you want cabbage water to come firing out your rear-end like a fire hose. It takes a whole week to make, but once it's done, it's worth it. I once hovered above the ground for a full 45 seconds because i was passing so much gas that the pressure lifted me off my seat. i was weightless for at least 45 seconds, maybe more. WARNING: don;t eat to much or you wont be able to sit back dont when all the gas is blown out.


Basic cabbage soup diet recipe from Sharon, shared on our forum.
INGREDIENTS:

6 large green onions (1 bunch)
2 green bell peppers
1 or 2 cans of tomatoes (14.5 ounce size, diced or whole)
1 bunch celery, sliced
1/2 head cabbage, chopped
1 package (Lipton) onion soup mix
1 or 2 cubes bouillon (optional)
1 48 oz can V8 juice (optional)
Season to taste with salt, pepper, parsley, curry, garlic powder, etc.*
PREPARATION:

Simmer or slow cook all until soup is done. *If slow cooking, add seasonings about an hour before done. Eat all the soup you want, whenever you want. This is the basic plan, shared by Sharon.
First Day - All fruit is fine, except bananas; soup
Day 2 - Any and all vegetables, baked potato with butter for dinner; soup
Day 3 - Combine Day 1 and 2, without potato; soup
Day 4 - Up to six bananas, all the skim milk you want; soup
Day 5 - 10 to 20 ounces of beef, a can of tomatoes, 6 to 8 glasses of water; soup
Day 6 - All the beef and vegetables you want; soup
Day 7 - Brown rice, unsweetened fruit juices and vegetables; soup