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I'm real late here, but for all of those that don't "get" Zune Tang: PEOPLE, HE'S KIDDING!! All you have to do to interpret him/her is to realize that the true meaning of all of his/her posts is the OPPOSITE of what is being said. No brainer for me.

I don't understand why micro$oft did'nt spend their 6 years making a unix based OS. I have vista rc1 via boot camp and UAP is a joke. I'm not suprised by this report.

It indeed is a question mark. Undeniably Vista is a step forward, the real issue is its guts. It should have been a newly rewritten OS, with new foundations and all. It is - once again - working on what is existing. Once again, a new Windows operating system is affected by years old malware than plague the previous versions. Why? because it SHARES THE SAME CODE BASE.

Vista is certainly an improvement to XP, as XP SP1 was wrt to XP and as XP SP2 is wrt to XP SP1.

Currently, Vista seems to be just an XP SP3~4 with lots of eye candy.

Ironically, every release of a new Windows OS received the same comments from MicroZunes executives, even word for word, that were devoted to the predecessors. And fell flat on their face in matter of days. As Vista, vulnerable to old malware the very same day of release, when people have been able to weight it and found it light, very light, almost floating. Floating like shit.

You amuse me Mr Tang.

Sheridan, I'm with you buddy. Instead they piss about making a games machine thats no better than a maxed out suped up PC. And a music box that even THEY admit is a joke. Not meaning to knock Windows too harshly, but this was a good chance to do it right for a change. They might have screwed up, we'll see how things go after Vista SP2 is released.

I'm not surprised in the least. More on the way I'm sure so let the count begin!

One final thought on "Zune Tang" or, as I like to refer to him. "Bill Gate's Homo Butt Diver". Zune, you are obviously retarded and have no business being on MDN. Your failure to understand Microsoft is not only a copy freak, and steals ideas, but also that they are failing miserably at it. Dom yourself a favor and flush your "brown zune tang" down the toilet like the piece of shit it is, and buy an iPod.

Jay:

So what? Tang is as boring as a Ballmer monologue, repetitive as a list of Windows malware, wearisome as a another Vista release date, predictable as another Microsoft service pack, and as monotonous as day in Redmond. In other words, Tang, just sucks.

Blowfeld:

If you understood the etymology of the word "amuse" you might change your mind. However, I doubt it. You’re another Tang sycophant with as much taste in humor as McDonalds has taste in fine food.

huh? - etymology or the word amuse? are you going for the mid-15th century meaning of "stare stupidly"? because, and this may be a surprise, we're in 2006. meanings and usages of words change. please tell me why your argument is five hundred years old. but if that's how we're going to play this, then perhaps a better understanding of the eytmology of the word sycophant (an informer) would "change your mind."

stop trying to show off and make a real point.

Hey, I may not be the first one to come up with this, but I just thought of it:


Zune-a-tic

MW: late, better late than never

Huh?:

Your point may be well taken, but it totally misses my point. I wasn't catagorizing Zune at all. I was simply stating a fact. Whether (s)he's boring, sucks, needs to quit posting here etc., is totally outside the scope of my comment. I was only commenting that he is totally misunderstood by the vast majority who read the comments. Anyway, he isn't as good as Sputnik, but that's another story.

"In other news... Dirt is still brown, and most people on earth are stupid."

Gee, thanks Mr. Truth but -

I really don't have much interest in Windows. Except for schadenfreude.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schadenfreude

I like Mac OS X.

This is a Mac forum.

Why don't you go over to Slashdot and argue your points over there?

Pierce:

Actually, the word sycophant derives from the Latin word “Sycophanta” of the 16th century, not the 15th century as you imagine. Additionally, the Latin expression was derived from the language of ancient Greece. Your petty sarcasm is only exceeded by your profound ignorance. At any rate, I used the word “sycophant” as a term of derision, which is its common interpretation. If it makes you feel better, I will retract my statement that Blowfeld is a sycophant. Instead, I’ll call him a brown noser and ass kisser, which is probably more in line with your familiarity of slang colloquialisms. I also include you in this category of servile simpletons.

Now, to the business of “amuse”. This word amuse is commonly interpreted as a synonym for entertainment or other form of simple delight proceeding from undemanding mental activity. In any case, it is perfectly well understood that these pleasing and satisfying experiences are not derived from cerebral exercise or intellectual activity. Therefore, when Blowfeld says that he is “amused” I am not criticizing him, I am simply agreeing with him. In other words, I am restating Blowfeld’s thoughts in a more descriptive and illuminating manner. I am not disparaging Blowfeld’s enjoyment nor do I doubt that Blowfeld obtains some gaiety from Tang, I only make the observation that Blowfeld admits to his own characterization of himself as being pleasantly distracted with repetitive, monotonous, and simpleminded humor. The fact that you cannot comprehend this is not my problem. For example, if you called yourself an idiot and moron, I wouldn’t disagree with you either.

wow. i'm so bored that i'm going to stoop to insults as a reply to huh?.

you're what i like to call in legal terms an 'asshat.' if you can use sycophant in it's comon interpretation than why can amuse not be treated the same? when the average person uses the word amuse are they seeking to express their pleasure in distraction with "repetitive, monotonous, and simpleminded humor"? if not, then you've used an outdated form of the word to insult the intelligence of a poster while hiding behind a current definition to defend yourself.

i say again;
asshat.

MDN Take: On. The. First. Day. Of. Release.

...microsoft sent to me
A malware virus times three



I coudn't help it, it's that time of year.


Not surprising since viruses have been out for vista since the first public beta release.

pierce:

Your dull-witted response confirms that your intellect is as meager as your grammar, but you persist. Your choice.

I thought that my retraction of “sycophant” would appease you if not explain my meaning in terms that you might understand. Additionally, my use of the phrases "ass kisser" and "brown noser" were intended to convey my meaning to someone with your puerile and limited understanding of common English. I apologize that I was unable to communicate so that you could comprehend my point; however, I do not apologize for trying. I cannot restate what I wrote earlier in monosyllables.

Also, I gave you the common definition and understanding of "amuse" which really hasn’t changed in a real or significant way since its inception. It’s evident that simple-minded behavior really has not progressed since ancient times, as you are a perfect case in point. Thank you for corroborating my earlier position.

when the average person uses the word amuse are they seeking to express their pleasure in distraction with "repetitive, monotonous, and simpleminded humor"?

pierce:

If you think that all forms of amusement are by definition “repetitive, monotonous, and simpleminded” then you really don’t understand the meaning of the word or what my points were. Run this thought through your head several times before you proceed, “All that is nutritious is food, but all that is food is not nutritious.”

Are you ready to continue? Are you sure?

I am not a humorless person criticizing people who are amused, it is evident that all humans find amusement in various things. I can certainly be entertained or find pleasure in something (i.e. amused), but this does not in any way allude to the intrinsic value of that thing which provides me pleasure or entertainment. My point was that Blowfeld is delighted (i.e. amused) in Zune Tang’s “repetitive, monotonous, and simpleminded” posts. Blowfeld at al remind me of the toddler who consistently giggles and chortles even when his daddy regularly jingles the car keys in the child’s face. I can only surmise that Blowfeld et al have a very short attention span, a limited memory, or are connoisseurs of sophomoric schlock.

Well, pierce, I think that I have exhausted my efforts trying to explain the obvious to you. If you haven’t yet understood my points, I have to admit that you can’t or won’t understand.

Let's change back to the topic, shall we?

MDN take- sounds like that guy on ESPN, chris ______.

On. The. First. Day. Of. Release.

He. Might. Go. All. The. Way!

RE: Bruce
"Any hacker worth his salt knows the assertions of Mac fans and the security record of Macs."

The "security record" is only part of the story. We see similiar classes of vulnerabilties in Windows, OS X and Linux. It's not that easy to dismiss the possibility of security through obscurity. Consider an exploit such as WMF (there have been similar types of vulns on OS X) and the respective probabilites of
a.) A mac user visting a malicious website or receiving a malicious email versus
b.) A windows user
Obscurity does NOT come into play with such exploits as Blaster (this style of exploit has been a tiny, tiny fraction of the problems on Windows), but it does play some role in the speading of an exploit that requires ANY level of user interaction. (e.g., visiting a website; receiving + opening an email).

Given the increase in malware-for-profit, obscurity must play at least some role in the lack of exploits for recent OS X vulnerabilities.

Re: dogfriend
It's attitude such as yours, Mr. dogfriend, that allow mistruths to spread. If you're unwilling to educate yourself, don't bother submitting such news items in the future. It is simply trollish, through I suspect that was your (and by association, MDNs) only goal: to troll and excite other, local Mac trolls.

MacDaily should try to educate themselves as well. If you're going to post about Windows (particularly Vista, in this instance), it implies some level of understanding of the fundamental issues at hand. Try to add actual content to such postings, rather than merely quoting articles that fit your world view. Otherwise, your publication, blogs and other associated materials are quite useless and immature. Anyhow, journalistic integrity does not seem to be a priority for this website (much like Slashdot).

Anyway, this conversation has clearly run its course.

Good luck!

"Re: dogfriend
It's attitude such as yours, Mr. dogfriend, that allow mistruths to spread. If you're unwilling to educate yourself, don't bother submitting such news items in the future. It is simply trollish, through I suspect that was your (and by association, MDNs) only goal: to troll and excite other, local Mac trolls.

MacDaily should try to educate themselves as well. If you're going to post about Windows (particularly Vista, in this instance), it implies some level of understanding of the fundamental issues at hand. Try to add actual content to such postings, rather than merely quoting articles that fit your world view. Otherwise, your publication, blogs and other associated materials are quite useless and immature. Anyhow, journalistic integrity does not seem to be a priority for this website (much like Slashdot).

Anyway, this conversation has clearly run its course.

Good luck!"

Hey dude, I'm not the troll, you are. I don't go to "Windows" websites and argue with people.

I already told you I don't care about how secure you think Vista is. I never claimed that OS X is invulnerable either.

I didn't write the article you disagree with, but I'm not surprised by it either. If you doubt that it is valid, take it up with the author of the article.

Now go fuck yourself.

wow! you really told me! sorry i don't have time to compse well thought out responses to your comments during the work day so let me make this brief;

you're an asshole. you're not very good at reading plain meaning, nor are you good at comprehending the points of others. i suggest you take that dictionary of your and look up the work 'irony.' you may have heard of it, but if not you should know what it is so that next time you'll know when you're doing it. keep up the good work!

Humorless Huh?:

Stop trying to show off and make a real point. Stop trying to show off and make a real point. Stop trying to show off and make a real point. Stop trying to show off and make a real point. Stop trying to show off and make a real point. Stop trying to show off and make a real point. Stop trying to show off and make a real point. Stop trying to show off and make a real point. Stop trying to show off and make a real point. Stop trying to show off and make a real point. Stop trying to show off and make a real point. Stop trying to show off and make a real point. Stop trying to show off and make a real point.

You think you're smart, and maybe you are. Guess what? Nobody cares.

P.S. I like Zune Tang too.

Okay.... the virus vs. obscurity myth....
Let us all agree on some facts.
Last year there were over 100,000 ( this is a fact ) known viruses on XP....Right???Okay well maybe 50,000? Okay for the sake of simplicity let us just say it was only 10,000. The Mac makes up some where in the ball park of 5-10 % of all personal computer market share. So let's just work with 5%. What is 5% of 10,000?
The answer is 500.
Last year there was not 1 confirmed virus/malware to infect the mac. This.... is also a fact. If the mac makes up as little as 5%, then there should have at least been a few right?
This is why....
IT IS A BETTER OPERATING SYSTEM!

pierce, ned, zune tang, blowfeld, et al.

Can't play with the big dogs, eh?

pierce:

Take all the time you want to prepare a reply, you'll need it.

Ned:

"P.S. I like Zune Tang too."

What a coincidence, pigs like to wallow in shit, too. Happy Holidays, porky.

punkinhead:

You're mistake is assuming that Windows and OS X are equally susceptible to malware and/or are identical in the number and frequency of inherent vulnerabilities. Until you can provide some objective evidence that these conditions are true, you cannot legitimately make the comparison you did.

Hello Maczealot.... Sorry, I was not clear. I am in NO WAY saying Windows and Macs OS are comparable other than they are a UI. Everything else is different.
The point I was trying to make is that Apple does not get viruses and ..... let's say tomorrow.... a 100 new ones sprung up.... it still would not be 100,000.

Zune Tang,

I really hope you were joking. If not, I just read the most ignorant collection of paragraphs I have ever seen.

Do you agree with Steve Ballmer's comment: Linux "uses our intellectual property"? If so, you two have a lot in common...........



Ricardo

I read a comparison in MacAddict some years back between XP and OS X. One of the interesting points brought up during this debate over which was better was the fact that Aqua (the GUI in OS X) sounded much less frightening when followed by -tic than does Luna (XP's GUI). I wonder if with Aero they aren't trying to make up for being such clueless asshats. (The guy seriously asked if aquatic was a word.)

MDW: fiscal. Too bad it wasn't fecal. I could've had so much fun with that. Hell, I will anyway. Fecal matter is what monkeys like Ballmer throw when there's a strike in the chair factory.