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Microsoft teams with Orange to produce Motorola Apple iTunes phone competitor
Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 06:05 PM EDT

"Microsoft has teamed up with mobile operator Orange to try to gain control of the digital music business, which the software giant believes could be worth hundreds of billions of pounds a year," Tony Glover reports for The Business.

"The Business has learned that Microsoft chairman Bill Gates has persuaded Orange to develop a mobile phone, the SPV C550, which will double as a Microsoft music player. Consumers will keep their music on a computer and transfer it to their mobiles. The music phone will go on sale in HMV’s flagship stores next month. HMV is using Microsoft software to run its digital music internet download service, HMV Digital Jukebox, which can be accessed by the phones," Glover reports. "Microsoft spokesman Jason Langridge said: 'The mobile digital music market is about to take off. Porting digital music on to mobile phones represents a massive opportunity for Microsoft. While Apple has sold about 10m iPods worldwide to date, a quarter of the world’s population own mobile phones, which Microsoft software can turn into digital music players.'"

Glover reports, "Gates has timed the launch to coincide with his arch-rival Apple founder and chief executive Steve Jobs’ long-awaited unveiling of an iTunes phone, expected this week... Microsoft plans to topple Apple’s iTunes from its position as the world’s best-selling digital music service and make Windows Media Audio the industry standard. The Microsoft-powered phone will do everything that an iPod can but will be incompatible with Apple’s products."

Full article here.

MacDailyNews Take: Comparing Apples to Oranges, which one do you think most consumers will choose?

Orange's Microsoft Windows Media phone will only work with Windows and not the world's market-dominating iTunes Music Store (iTMS). It would seem there's a rather limited audience for such a closed and limited solution - see iTMS competitors' lack of succes. There are also too many cooks in the kitchen: Microsoft, Orange, and HMV for things to be expected to work very well. Why does Microsoft exclude tens of millions of Mac users who have proven to be strong buyers of digital music and digital music players? Open up, Microsoft!

Motorola's Apple iTunes phone will work openly with both Mac and Windows and seamlessly with the iTunes Music Store.

Oh, by the way, Microsoft spokesman Jason Langridge is either wrong or lying. Apple has sold well over twice as many iPods as he wants to admit publicly: 21 million iPods (rough estimate of 25 million as of today) worldwide to date. Do you think it was just an innocent mistake that the Microsoft spokesman happened to get the number of iPods sold so completely wrong?

Finally, the de facto standard for legal digital online music files is Apple's protected MPEG-4 Audio AAC with FairPlay DRM (.m4p) which holds 80-percent market share, is cross-platform, and has passed well over half a billion tracks sold.

Related articles:
RUMOR: Motorola Apple iTunes phones to offer 256, 512MB storage, ability to buy music via networks - September 02, 2005
Germany's T-Mobile to offer Motorola Apple iTunes mobile phone - September 02, 2005
BofA: 'Apple-branded' Motorola iTunes cell phones due next week - September 02, 2005
Report: Motorola teams with O2 carrier for Apple iTunes phone in UK - September 01, 2005
Madonna, Green Day, Little Richard and others to star in Motorola Apple iTunes phone ads - September 01, 2005
Apple in deal with Cingular to offer Motorola iTunes phone - August 30, 2005
Analysts speculate on what Apple CEO Steve Jobs will unveil during 'special event' next Wednesday - August 29, 2005
Apple announces 'special event' to be held September 7th - August 29, 2005
Report: Motorola to debut ROKR Apple iTunes phone on September 7 - August 25, 2005
Motorola: ROKR Apple iTunes phone debut 'big enough to have its own event' - August 19, 2005
The de facto standard for legal digital online music files: Apple's protected MPEG-4 Audio (.m4p) - December 15, 2004

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Sep 03, 05 - 07:26 pm Comment from: macnut222

I don't think this will impact Apple too much (if at all). The MotoPod is going to finally launch next Wednesday (versus next month), be available in the US and UK (and also probably in other markets we're unaware of). Not to mention the fact of the possibility for other phone makers and service providers to hop on board in the future, Apple seems to have the beginnings of another strong pillar for their digital music strategy in place.

Ballmer can go back to throwing chairs now.

Sep 03, 05 - 07:36 pm Comment from: lifelongMac

nothing Steve does is as it seems. Who knows, he may even surprise us on the 7th by saying he purchased Microsoft and is putting it out of its misery....the secretaries and cleaning crew are now running MS, eveyone else is bailing

Sep 03, 05 - 07:43 pm Comment from: mac dood

uhhhh .... aren't we talking Apples and Oranges here ??

<sorry, I couldnt resist)

LOL

Sep 03, 05 - 07:47 pm Comment from: MacMania

Apple introduces Safari and M$ stops supporting the Macintosh platform with there crappy Internet Explorer. When Apple introduces their spreadsheet program and solidifies their office suite with a general upgrade to Pages and Keynote, will M$ once again be on the run?

Well, let's get the ball rolling: If you truly despise M$ and everything they stand for, stop using their shit, bloated Office product. Stop sleeping with the enemy! There are very good, nimble alternatives to M$ crap.

Rock on Steve!

cool smirk

Sep 03, 05 - 07:52 pm Comment from: Derrick

How about OSOD ... Orange Screen of Death smile

Sep 03, 05 - 08:07 pm Comment from: hanginround

...."There are very good, nimble alternatives to M$ crap"

typewriters, sliderules, pencil and notepads, answering machines, 2 string connected cans, smoke signals, finger counting

Sep 03, 05 - 08:09 pm Comment from: Chris

hey, that's what i need! viruses and spyware on my phone! identity thieves listening in on my conversations! stealing my phone number list! i can't wait!

Sep 03, 05 - 08:11 pm Comment from: hanginround

"...and make Windows Media Audio the industry standard"

They actually have something they think is worthwhile to present as a standard? I thought the only thing that was MS standard were worms and viruses

Sep 03, 05 - 08:11 pm Comment from: jujubee77

Microsoft smartphones already sync with Windows Media Player, so I'm not sure what's "new" about Microsoft's phone. I think it's sad that Microsoft has to completely re-introduce a phone feature they've already had (and has apparently not been very successful) for 3 years.

Sep 03, 05 - 08:11 pm Comment from: DBS

Microsoft to open coffee shop to compete with starbucks
Microsoft to open hamburger shop to compete with Mc Donalds
Microsoft to open .....

Sep 03, 05 - 08:15 pm Comment from: chrish

MDN you missed this pearler: "a quarter of the world’s population own mobile phones, which Microsoft software can turn into digital music players."

Excuse me? They have software which can turn ANY phone into a digital music player?

Sep 03, 05 - 08:28 pm Comment from: ngg

Why does Microsoft think it has to dominate every damn market on the planet, they fight with Google over search, they fight with Apple over OS and Music, they fight states over document formats, they fight to maintain a monopoly thats fading fast, merely because they don't want to learn how to get along with the others in the sandbox.

Sep 03, 05 - 09:16 pm Comment from: Gregg Thurman

Apple should rejoice at this news.

Apple has been battling the carriers over music on cell phones. The carriers do not want users to be able to download music from their computers. They want users to download from the carrier's proprietary music service.

Apple on the other hand, wants users to be able to download from their computers, or directly from iTMS.

With MSFT now getting in the ring, the carriers are going to have a harder time fighting off handsets that allow users to download music, independant of their proprietary services.

The popularity of the iPod and iTMS will give any handset, that is iTunes compatible, a significant market advantage.

This assumes that music on cell phones is really something that the market wants. I'm not convinced that it is, BUT not having a music cellphone for the market would be worse than having one for a market that doesn't exist. Its just a matter of covering bases and heading off the competition at this point.

Sep 03, 05 - 09:21 pm Comment from: DudeMac

It's kinda hard to make WMA a standard since it lacks a cross-platform approach!

Sep 03, 05 - 09:34 pm Comment from: MacDude

Music on Cell phones has a problem, battery life.

The first time a person drains their phone battery listening to music and gets cut off during a phone call because their battery is weak, will be the last time they listen to music on it worth a darn.

They will get a dedicated device, like a iPod. :D

Apple see's dollar signs.

Sep 03, 05 - 09:39 pm Comment from: MacDude

Oh I forget, people will conserve battery life even more because telemarketers are now calling Cell phones!

I don't see a whole lot of profit potential for Apple with music on Cells, after all the Cell company is the one making the money.

Apple makes hardly any profit from selling music, the only lure could be that Cell users will buy iPods or because people have iTunes, they will by a MOTO phone.

Perhaps Apple gets a kickback?

Sep 03, 05 - 10:26 pm Comment from: maddrjeffe

What the hell is orange compared to motorola? Ivee heard of one, not the other? That could be just because I dont care too much about mobile phones, but its not a player Id ever recognize. Ericson, yeah, Samsung yeah, Motorola yeah, Siemans yeah, Orange... who?

Sep 04, 05 - 12:02 am Comment from: toolazytotell

This is f***ing hilarious

"While Apple has sold about 10m iPods worldwide to date, a quarter of the world’s population own mobile phones, which Microsoft software can turn into digital music players.'

- the numebr is to low by 10m
- MS software can magically turn my phone into a music player ? (oh yeah ... for a SMALL upgrade fee ... right)
- it's gonna play WMA from some second rate store ?
- and I have to use windows to use a phone ? WTF ?

brought to you by the magic work nothing .... as in the market share the MS Smart Phones hav garnered over the past few years till amounts to nothing and this is unlikely to change it

Sep 04, 05 - 12:29 am Comment from: MacMania

"There are very good, nimble alternatives to M$ crap" - MacMania

"typewriters, sliderules, pencil and notepads, answering machines, 2 string connected cans, smoke signals, finger counting" - hanginround

Well, since you obviously need some hand holding 'hanginround', here you go troll:

OpenOffice http://macupdate.com/info.php/id/9602
Nisus Writer Express http://macupdate.com/info.php/id/11549
Apple Pages http://macupdate.com/info.php/id/17494
AppleWorks http://macupdate.com/info.php/id/6355
Mariner Write http://macupdate.com/info.php/id/1095
ThinkFree Office http://macupdate.com/info.php/id/7848


When you get your head out of your ass, use it for something else. See if you can add to the list above.

raspberry

Sep 04, 05 - 12:54 am Comment from: Jack Arends

If M$ ever starts to gain a foothold with WMA, Steve should just license out Fairplay and stomp them back into the ground. In the meantime, he gets to call all the shots and reap some profits for innovating. If it can also help a lot of suffering windozers find the true path, all the better.

I have heard recently about a bluetooth virus that spread thru some phones at a big athletic event. Seems to be hard for viruses to spread that way tho. I wonder if having a crap swiss cheese windows system on your phone will be an in? It would be ironic if the situation seen on computers (tens of thousands of viruses on windows versus Zero on the Mac) is repeated on cell phones.

Sep 04, 05 - 01:33 am Comment from: Steve Ballmer

I'm going to F***ing KILL Apple! And I'm going to F***ing KILL Motorola too! And Cingular - I'm going to F***ing KILL them also with my new Orange phone.

KILL! KILL! KILL! Eeeeeeyaaaaaaah! (Throws chair)

kill

(gasps from infarction, falls)


MW = "shall" as in "I shall F***ing KILL you all!"

Sep 04, 05 - 02:19 am Comment from: Wibble

MacMania

I think you may have missed hanginground's point. Isn't it just possible he was implying that typewriters and sliderules were among the nimbler alternatives to MS software?

You might want to be in a little less of a rush to insult people next time. Apart from making unnecessary enemies your hasty reaction tends to add fuel to the "mac fans are zealots" fire.

Sep 04, 05 - 03:26 am Comment from: actually...

if you do not want to suffer from data losses, hanginground alternatives to M$ Office are perfectly VALID alternatives.

LOL, we bounce back documents that come with a .doc extension here around. And secretaries are not allowed to send sensitive documents in Words (and they are bloated too...)

Sep 04, 05 - 03:42 am Comment from: iMacUK

Orange is not a phone manufacturer but a service provider and is the UK name for the global company Hutchinson Communications.

As for this deal, I have to say that I am disappointed. Orange has always been like Apple in the mobile phone market. I have been an Orange subscriber for 10 years now, because they provide a good service and have always approached the market differently from the other network players. If you had asked me last week if Orange were going to do a deal with anyone on mobile phone music services, I would have put money on them doing it with Apple. Perhaphs the company is changing its attitude, hence the move to the dark side.

MW: 'numbers' as in the numbers just don't seem to make sense for this deal.

Sep 04, 05 - 08:19 am Comment from: Frenchie

FranceTelecom bought Orange years ago.

FranceTelecom is in bed with Microsoft for shit works...

So...

Sep 04, 05 - 12:47 pm Comment from: jbelkin via iPodDailyNews

MS has been in the cell phone OS business for about 6 years with only heavily subsizied sales to tiny companies. They know how to get it into the phone but they have no clues about the interface, good luck getting a playlist in there - plus the market is moving back towards clamshell and tiny configurations like the RAZR - the giant flat phones with giant screens looked good in principle but in reality, not that popular so of course, MS chooses agiant flat phone with an easy to scratch screen - but then it's not like MS has any clues about consumers (WebTV, MSN, Tablet PC, Watch OS, etc etc ...) so why start now?

Sep 04, 05 - 01:23 pm Comment from: MacMania

Wibble, if hanginground was trying to inject a little humor in a very important topic, I sincerely apologize for getting in his face. And thanks for being the voice of reason.

If on the other hand, hanginground's comment was simply sarcastic shit and he came here to graze like our other trolls, then the reply stands.

wink

Sep 04, 05 - 03:03 pm Comment from: Brad

Another thing that Jason Langridge got wrong is that not a quarter of the world has cellphones, but there's simply over a billion cell phones. I know some people who own two or three cell phones, so I don't think it's 1/4 of the world that owns those cell phones.

Sep 04, 05 - 06:13 pm Comment from: chrish

MacMania, didn't you see hangingaround's other post?

["...and make Windows Media Audio the industry standard"

They actually have something they think is worthwhile to present as a standard? I thought the only thing that was MS standard were worms and viruses]

I agree with Wibble, sounds to me like he's not a windows troll, just a humorist.

Sep 04, 05 - 07:12 pm Comment from: Jamie Kelly

TMFx2

"Too many fires, too many fronts."

Never a truer word has been said. I say M$ should keep Steve Balmer for as long as possible, he will kill Micro$oft.

Case Closed.

Sep 05, 05 - 04:01 am Comment from: John

Why is Microsoft 2 or 3 years behind the eight ball ? What do they just sit around waiting for someone else to come up with the ideas just so they can copy the idea. After everyone's already sold on the original idea.

Sep 05, 05 - 04:08 am Comment from: Ian

Is music really that important that we need it everywhere. Can i still buy a phone that simply makes phone calls anymore. Or do i need some special software add on attachment device.

Here's a crazy thought. If a phone can recieve radio (as in the ones with built in FM) would it be possible i wonder to somehow be able to dial to or connect to your home computer and listen to your music from there, on your phone. Saves having to lug the mp3 files around with you in your phone.

Sep 05, 05 - 07:36 pm Comment from: ron

Anyone know a word that rhymes with Orange?

Sep 05, 05 - 11:51 pm Comment from: Spark

The Orange phone pictured looks better than the MoPod phone I've seen to date.

Sep 06, 05 - 02:08 pm Comment from: BMn

"Why does Microsoft exclude tens of millions of Mac users who have proven to be strong buyers of digital music and digital music players? Open up, Microsoft!"

You're kidding... right? Last I heard, Apple had a strangle-hold on their format, and won't allow any other application or device to consume iTMS content.

I have 3 different players which may DRM'd WMA files, and use third party software on my PC. The Microsoft ecosystem is waaaaay more open than the Apple ecosystem. Of course, just because there are lots of choices doesn't mean the best is among them, yet. wink

Sep 06, 05 - 05:23 pm Comment from: Reality Check

GET THE FACTS!

HMV spokesman interviewed on BBC said that HMV approached Apple to ask whether they could support the iTunes format as well and Apple told them to get stuffed.

iTunes open? Que? Just as proprietary as any of technology taking a hit in the tirade of ignorance above.

Talk to the business trying to provide the service - and get the facts. Sniff harder - is that aroma from Starbucks?

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