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Stupid is as stupid does. And how is Ms acting right now?

Lifted it from Longhorn? Tiger is shipping. Spotlight is not in beta. That would mean that Apple would have needed to lift the idea from beta's of Longhorn (or the MSN search engine), devoted inordinate amounts of programming time and effort into making a workable model, and ship it out the door, non-beta, a full 18 months before the proposed Longhorn introduction. Is this even possible? Considering all of the FUD that Billy G has been spewing lately, I'm wondering if there isn't a good ol' RDF forming around the minds and bodies working at Redmond.

As I recall, Jobs had mentioned that much of what Spotlight is based on came from iTune's search technology. Before iTunes, I hadn't seen that real-time as you type search.

Oui oui oui, I eat garden snails and frogs and poop on Monsieur Gate!

the MSN search is a copy of Goolge only created after Windows amited they "missed the boat" on internet search services.

Microsoft is insane ---

"As I recall, Jobs had mentioned that much of what Spotlight is based on came from iTune's search technology. Before iTunes, I hadn't seen that real-time as you type search."

FYI, Winamp and XMMS (Winamp clone for Linux) have had this kind of real-time search as you type for a loooong time.

I have a CD ROM with a demo for Copland (Apples abandoned OS project) that shows exactly the kind of search (including smart folders) we have today in tiger.
Its not even an idea by NeXT, its an original Apple idea, based on the AIAT project (Apple Information Access Technology) that eventually became Sherlock.

MS is so pathetic with their whining!!!

And the myopia at M$ continues at full force obviously...

did bill eat shit ..... lol

I've said before...
It's not revolutionary, it's evolutionary and Microsoft's growth has just stunted. It's the logical next step in operating systems not a breakthrough idea that was stolen by anybody. My Palm Pilot III had integrated search with categorized results back in '96. (Earlier version may have had it as well, as may have BeOS or whatever, I don't know)

Just remember the ole BeOS. Thats where Spotlight really comes from. And it just happen to be so that one of the BeOS engineers that worked on the filesystem now works for Apple. So MS just forget about it.

Perhaps the new MSN search tool bar will be good news for Apple. It might encourage people to compare what M$ offers in search TODAY with Apple's Spotlight, rather than an imaginary perfect feature in Longhorn. All we need is a bunch of smart reviews comparing the two offerings side-by-side, of the kind that Apple has received in the last month or so since releasing Tiger (i.e., smart reviewers). This is a fairly simple feature for which it should be very easy to comparison reviews, and which just about every consumer understands and appreciates.

Max. Isn't Winamp about the same vintage as Sherlock?

Doesn't Spotlight use the grep command, that's been in UNIX for decades?

MW: moral. You just can't make this shit up.

AltaVista provided a desktop search tool way back in about 1996

Yeah!...and MS invented the internet too!

MW=freedom as in freedom to talk bullshit!

Hey, MDN, where's that article you posted about Apple having filed a patent for Spotlight way before Longhorn was ever even announced?

The more outrageous the comments out of Gates, Ballmer and others at MS simply demonstrate that MS is hugely concerned at the impact Tiger is having.

Aslo see MS shaking hands with anyone who will shake theirs - they know their time is running out...

I know of so many people now who are switching. Go Apple!

Algore invented ALL search engines. (He was trying to find Slick Willy in the oval office) that was before he came to Apple. So Apple must have stolen from MS.

Algore also coined the name Longhorn after he met Willy.

Here's what I can't figure out.

How could Apple have lifted it, reverse engineered it, moved to the Mac/BSD platform, deliver it market - all after Microsoft has announced that it will be scaled back huge in Longhorn????

I think MS HR should be looking to hire Apple developers away from Apple if it were true.

But since we all know it is a big pile of sh*t, we may as well grin and bear it. The bottom line is this. We have it and they don't!

MS Patchers....uggggghhhhh idiots (said like Napolean can only say it!)

-G5Man

ron,

Algore was indexing the wrong location. He should've indexed Monica's mouth if he wanted to find the Slick Willy.

Ron said: "So Apple must have stolen from MS."

Since Al currently is on Apple's team and he's the one who invented all things Internet/search, the technology is clearly Apple's and has nothing to do with MS.

If you're going to take a jab at Gore (and goodness knows he deserves it) at least keep the insult internally consistent.


-B

How do you know all this stuff Beeblebrox?
BTW, his name is Algore.

maccam: not sure about sherlock, but I belive winamp goes back to '97-'98.

Ford copied the automobile from Mercedes.

I know which one I'd rather have.

What came first, the chicken or the egg?

WGAS, I have Spotlight.

Should that be, 'which' came first?

So, did Apple invent a flux capacitor prior to sticking it in the back of a slightly modified DeLorean DMC-12 which Avie Tevanian then used to commute up and down/round the space-time continuum looking for 'good' Microsoft ideas to 'steal' ?

Here's another question: MSFT had it in an early alpha version of Longhorn and yet it is still years away from being ready for market. Either Apple has more development staff than MSFT or the development staff that they have must be considerably more skilled to get someone else's idea (or screenshot, delete according to your level of cynicism). Or - and here's a killer - maybe OS X and Objective-C simply make it easier to build evolutionary technologies into the OS.

So, the simple questions that MSFT (or their apologists like NMFY) have to answer are…

1) Are Apple people so smart, that they could invent time travel?
2) Are Apple software engineers better than Allchin's ill-disciplined, badly managed troupe of code-monkeys?
3) Is OS X and the Macintosh developer environment better than rat's nest of congealed spaghetti that is Windows XP (otherwise known as Windows NT version 6.00)?

Take your time answering, I'm in no rush…

I recall Stevie saying that the idea of Spotlight came from the search capabilities that were derived originally for iTunes. It must have been during his keynote.

Even if Apple did borrow Spotlight from Microsoft, it's still says a lot about Microsoft that Apple has shipped there version whilst Microsoft's is still in some sort of vapour-ware haze.

Admittedly Spotlight is not perfect, the display of results still needs some work imo, but it's here - and it works.

They are so pathetic and dilusional.

delusional

ms is in collapse.
balmer and gates fiddle while rome burns...

playstation and nintendo also borrowed the video game idea from xbox....

norton antivirus borrowed the idea of making anti-virus software from the upcoming anti-virus software ms is going to offer next year....

BULLSHIT!

"The x in OSX is stolen from the x in Xbox!!!"
Steve Balmer

CHOKE CHOKE!!!!!!!

It's as stupid as telling the world that Toyota invented the screen whiper !

Everybody knows that quick search and database-like (ala BFS) file system innovation came from Be Inc. long ago. Apple was smart enough to hire ex-Be engineer Dominic Giampaolo who designed the BFS file system for BeOS. And we all know he is the brains (along with his talented team) behind Spotlight and HFS X. If it's anyone who is copying, it would be Microsoft!

If Bill Gates is micro-soft. That begs the question, who is "longhorn?" Certainly not Ballmer.

As a user of both platforms (and also I prefer OS X), I can safely say that the MSN desktop search is not like Spotlight. It is similar, yes. However, it is nowhere near as good.

Maybe it is because I had installed the beta version of MSN Desktop Search, but it never properly indexed my drives. Also, it uses Internet Explorer to do the searching. I just don't want to have to open a web browser to search my PC. And I don't want to open IE anymore either.

Spotlight has blown me away. MS's desktop search was uninstalled after a few days of trying to get it to work. It may be better now, and I will try it, but I doubt it will be as good as Spotlight.

Micro$oft should take legal action against Apple if they believe one of their technologies was lifted wholesale. It'll be a nice change of pace for Micro$oft's IP litigation team to sit on the plaintiff's side of the courtroom for once...

Even IF the MSFT accusation could be remotely construed as possibly accurate ....

then ..

it seems to me, that Balmer / Gates and Co. would be getting some long awaited payback.... !!

After all ... just where did they get the idea for the crappy GUI they use on their WinCrap OS ??

And if Apple did so how come Longhorn still isn't out?
According to Apple they were in development of spotlight 3 to 4 years before Microsoft even announced Longhorn. I seriously doubt that Apple could have taken the idea away from Microsoft and have a fully functioning released version if Microsoft had thought of it first.

Admit it Apple... your engineers are SO MUCH BETTER than Microsoft's that you can look at one of their products that has already reached beta, and still design, code, test, package, and release it faster than Microsoft can complete their beta program. We all know it's true, but it's funny to see Microsoft assert it.

One word...

BULLSHIT!.

Speaking of Al Gore...

FOR THE LAST TIME, F'ING REPUBLICANS...PAY ATTENTION...
(from snopes.com urban legend page)
Despite the derisive references that continue even today, Al Gore did not claim he "invented" the Internet, nor did he say anything that could reasonably be interpreted that way. The "Al Gore said he 'invented' the Internet" put-downs were misleading, out-of-context distortions of something he said during an interview with Wolf Blitzer on CNN's "Late Edition" program on 9 March 1999.

Clearly, although Gore's phrasing was clumsy (and perhaps self-serving), he was not claiming that he "invented" the Internet (in the sense of having designed or implemented it), but that he was responsible, in an economic and legislative sense, for fostering the development that we now know as the Internet. To claim that Gore was seriously trying to take credit for the "invention" of the Internet is, frankly, just silly political posturing that arose out of a close presidential campaign. Gore never used the word "invent," and the words "create" and "invent" have distinctly different meanings — the former is used in the sense of "to bring about" or "to bring into existence" while the latter is generally used to signify the first instance of someone's thinking up or implementing an idea. (To those who say the words "create" and "invent" mean exactly the same thing, we have to ask why, then, the media overwhelmingly and consistently cited Gore as having claimed he "invented" the Internet, even though he never used that word, and transcripts of what he actually said were readily available.)

If President Eisenhower had said in the mid-1960s that he, while President, "created" the Interstate Highway System, we would not have seen dozens and dozens of editorials lampooning him for claiming he "invented" the concept of highways or implying that he personally went out and dug ditches across the country to help build the roadway. Everyone would have understood that Ike meant he was a driving force behind the legislation that created the highway system, and this was the very same concept Al Gore was expressing about himself with his Internet statement.

In May 2005, the organizers of the Webby Awards for online achievements honored Al Gore with a lifetime achievement award for three decades of contributions to the Internet.

Actually we just got impatient. We WERE going to copy the Longhorn implementation, but after 15 years of talking about WinFS by Microsoft we decided it was time to do it.

And doesn't it make MS employees sound like whiny little girls to hear them claim that their little snap-on addition to Windows has much of the same functionality as Spotlight? Excuse me? Spotlight goes deep down into the guts of the OS. And I can telll you, even when WinFS hits the street fully formed (and finallym, to complete the alliteration) it still won't work as well as Spotlight simply because of teh underlying OS it will be running on.

There's a REASON Longhorn (a.k.a. Longshot) is taking so long to come out. (Hint: The job about the camel being a horse designed by a committe. Tiger has a committee of ONE to please.)

I refuse to eat your excrement, Mr. Gates.

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