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Michael Dell owes Apple an apology; Apple up 176 percent vs. Dell’s 13 percent in past 12 months
Saturday, January 15, 2005 - 10:34 AM EDT

"It was no less an expert than Michael Dell who forecast the demise of Apple Computer Inc. In 2001, the chairman and founder of the computer company that bears his name said Apple had sealed its fate by failing to build computers that used Intel Corp. microprocessors and software from Microsoft Corp. In sticking with its own proprietary technologies, Apple could not survive. 'We know how the movie ends,' Mr. Dell, now 39, said. 'It's just a question of what happens in the middle,'" David Akin writes for The Globe and Mail.

MacDailyNews Take: Oh, so now slapping together cheap components into commodity boxes devoid of imagination, depending wholly upon someone else's mediocre OS, re-branding Creative's MP3 players (but not selling many), and negotiating good shipping rates based on volume qualifies someone as an "expert?" Please, don't get us started on Michael Dell. Uh oh, too late...

"But three years later, it is Apple - not Dell Inc. - that some say is now the best bet for investors interested in backing a computer maker," Akin writes. "Long an ugly duckling for investors, the Cupertino, Calif., company has been the soaring swan of the market for the past year. Its stock is up 176 per cent in the past 12 months (it closed yesterday at $70.10 U.S.), compared with 13 percent for Dell. Apple already rivals Round Rock, Tex.-based Dell in manufacturing efficiency, and is poised to beat it on profit margins, earnings and revenue growth. On new product innovation, analysts say, Apple is unrivalled."

MacDailyNews Take: Perhaps Mr. Dull should consider shutting it down and giving the money back to the shareholders? Now where'd we get that crazy idea? God knows, it would probably boost world productivity 30% if people dumped Windows running on box assembler Dell's hardware and switched to Apple Macs running Mac OS X. And think of the IT staff savings alone!

"The much ballyhooed iPod digital music player has been an important part of Apple's resurrection story; iPod sales went through the roof during 2004's final quarter. But the bigger story may be Apple's resurgence as a computer maker. According to financial results released this week, sales of Macintosh computers jumped 26 per cent compared with the year-earlier quarter - double the growth rate for the rest of the computer business. For the first time in eons, Apple is gaining market share. 'The company could have begun a market share breakout story that could last for the foreseeable future,' Steven Fortuna, an analyst at Prudential Equity Group LLC wrote in research note last week."

Full article here.

MacDailyNews Take: Michael Dell needs a head reduction, literally and figuratively. He's a commodity Wintel box assembler who figured out how to do it cheaper than everybody else. Wow. Okay, so he got rich doing it - so did Mahlon Haines who got rich selling non-descript shoes. You know, Mahlon Haines? M-A-H... Oh, forget it. How will Dell be regarded by historians? Michael Dell is to Steve Jobs as William Henry Harrison is to George Washington. Michael Dell, if he's really lucky, is destined to become a footnote in personal computer history.

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Jan 15, 05 - 12:04 pm Comment from: Qman

"Ask not, for whom the Dell tolls..."

Jan 15, 05 - 12:05 pm Comment from: Ray

There are very few real innovators in computer industry, Dell however is not one of them.

Jan 15, 05 - 12:20 pm Comment from: Dave Mac

Or for a music comparison (for the ipod people), how about Dell is to Jobs as Rikki Rocket is to Eddie Van Halen.

Pathetic that people think Dell has done anything that would make him famous.

Jan 15, 05 - 12:23 pm Comment from: Awesome

Why isn't this story a headline on MacNN? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/01/14/itunes_security_flap/

Does MacNN have a policy to only discuss windows security flaws? Seems like a double standard to me.

Jan 15, 05 - 12:29 pm Comment from: steve m

the only other innovator in the PC business is sony, though even they have followed apple. I was suprised to see what software sony puts on their computers, it's no ilife or anything, but much better than the competition for default comes with the computer software.

Jan 15, 05 - 12:41 pm Comment from: Pascal

Moron, err, I mean, Awesome,

It has been patched already for days. It's a non-story that affected nobody in real life:

http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/itunes471.html

And this is MDN, not MacNN.

Jan 15, 05 - 12:47 pm Comment from: Brett Michaels

Rikki Rocket is a drummer, Eddie Van Halen is a guitarist. Shouldn't have have used two guitarists to make your point?

Jan 15, 05 - 12:48 pm Comment from: Christopher

I guess I'm in the minority, but I don't really care how many people move from Windows to Mac. As long as sales are good enough to keep third party developers engaged, I have no desire to see Apple become the GM of computers. I moved out to the country (from a computing perspective) to get away from the viruses, malware, spyware of the inner-city ghetto that is the PC world. Now that a Joe Sixpack in every trailerpark can (likely) own a Macinstosh computer, I found out that my nice country home is getting a Super Walmart and low income housing next door. Going forward, I wonder if this means an end to the Mac community as a better educated, tightly-knit community of enthusiasts, and the beginning of Apple becoming a dime-a-dozen, "So what?" experience.

Just presenting a different perspective...

Jan 15, 05 - 12:48 pm Comment from: ed

Wow. Whatever happened to Eddie Van Halen? He certainly did some amazing things.

Jan 15, 05 - 01:05 pm Comment from: Blacksheep

If Michael Dell was a woman, I'd call him a Bit*h!
He's just really sore.

Jan 15, 05 - 01:07 pm Comment from: rawfish

One thing is for sure: it would be really sad if the only kind of computer company in the industry is the ones like Dell. Who will propell the innovation and improvement if not for trailblazer like Apple?

Jan 15, 05 - 01:36 pm Comment from: Jack A

Christopher, If Apple quadruples their 3% market share they still will only be at 12%. Plenty small enough to still have that community feel but also with everyone having to make sure they pay attention to that segment of the market as well as windows.

Now if they increase by 10 times.... ohh

Jan 15, 05 - 01:36 pm Comment from: solarflare

Dell have a reputation of putting together cheap crap computers using cheap and crap components.

A mate of mine bought one and 6 months later it fell to bits!

I managed to convince him to buy a mac - and guess what, 3 years later it's still working and he is still using it and has never regretted dropping windblows!!

In fact he's getting a new Imac G5 soon and can't wait for Tiger!


DELL - your company and products are trash i- even all windows users think it - so stop kidding yourself!!

Anyone can put together aload of budget parts and turn them into a cheap pc!

Jan 15, 05 - 01:38 pm Comment from: Mr. Rich

Mssrs. Dell & Gates need Apple to provide the innovation that they oh so need to copy off of.

Jan 15, 05 - 01:52 pm Comment from: Less is More

Michael Dell a footnote? This man would package and sell the cheese between his toes as Parmigiano. Sadly, millions of people would buy it.

Jan 15, 05 - 02:17 pm Comment from: iSteve

We need to increase from 3% to some number that is more respected. I'm a real estate agent and our MLS, tax records and forms are all online but the mac compatibility is terrible. Even on windows you need IE.

In the MLS on Mac I can only do somethings from IE while others I can only do from Safari. I can't get some of the reports to work at all - even with the PDF plug-in. The forms I can pull up in Safari as long as I've got it set to tell the world it is IE but I can't save the forms like I could in Windows - which I despise. I have Virtual PC but I'd have to have it running 24/7 and it is painfully slow. My old windows computer finally gave out and I don't want to replace it.

This is not Apple's fault. It is the fault of the low marketshare and the unwillingness of the people who write and manage our real estate systems in St. Louis and nationwide. An increase of marketshare to above 10% will command attention from these programmers and others. With an inexensive Mac mini attached to a KVM switch they can easily toggle back and forth from two OS's and check for compatibilty.

Sorry for the rant. Wow, that feels better. Magic word is held - I have "held" that in for too long.

Jan 15, 05 - 03:08 pm Comment from: BuriedCaesar

iSteve,

Have you downloaded the latest Adobe Reader 7.0? It seems to be doing wonders for the PDF files I've had to download and view recently in Safari. It's more robust in the way it treats online PDF files. Not sure what else I can do to help your situation, but maybe that will help a little...

Cheers... grin

Jan 15, 05 - 04:16 pm Comment from: Viridian

Actually Dell's contribution to personal computing is invaluable, not from a technological standpoint, but business-wise. He is the one who drove down hardware prices to the point that PC's are commodities, like toasters and blenders. Remember that Linux and BSD, not just Microsoft, benefit from this, and don't think that Microsoft doesn't know this. Redmond arrogantly referred to hardware manufacturers as "our distributors" several years ago, pissing them off. MSFT fears that if Linux gains ground, the PC mills will jettison them in a heartbeat.

Sure Dell's a jerk, but give credit where it's due. He ought to just keep his mouth shut, especially about innovation, and rake in the billions while he can. The commodity market is a losing game; it's only a matter of time before China eats his lunch.

Jan 15, 05 - 04:44 pm Comment from: mike

Tippacanoe and Tyler too!

Jan 15, 05 - 04:52 pm Comment from: mike

Sure Dell's a jerk, but give credit where it's due. He ought to just keep his mouth shut, especially about innovation, and rake in the billions while he can. The commodity market is a losing game; it's only a matter of time before China eats his lunch.
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He's a jerk? Who cares.. the question is, was he right about AAPL..

Apple is run by this guy Steve Jobs, who's the biggest A-hole on Earth.. surely Michael Dell walking around the factory chatting with assemblers and arguing with his engineers over which shade of black/charcoal accentuates the Dell logo the most cannot be as bad as SJ's 'moods.'

wink

Jan 15, 05 - 05:00 pm Comment from: chuckie c

I second that!!! As a matter of fact, I third and forth that. Dell owes Jobs many apologies, BIG Time!!! Dell keeps making sarcastic remarks on Apple but at the same time copies Apple's design, products, and even business strategy. Did you know Dell is trying to have ”retail strategy " at shopping mall now? That's SO many years behind Apple. Just remember, Dell is a mail order PC box pusher. He does not have any insight, foresight, vision, leadership and charisma in the very technology field he is in. All he does is to push boxes and counts beans. He has money BUT NO Class!!!!

Jan 15, 05 - 05:00 pm Comment from: Dan

I too like iSteve's point. As much as it pains us to be less exclusive, less of an "in crowd" (I read comments to this effect here and elsewhere since the Mac mini debued), the advantages of market share greatly out way them.

If being the Mac faithful is about getting people to switch, and the mini is the cure to the misery around us, then its time to take the high road and do what doctors do, work to put ourselves out of business. wink

Jan 15, 05 - 05:14 pm Comment from: Jack A

iSteve, I don't know if this will be useful to you but here is a link to a safari plug-in that enables you to view pdf files WITHIN safari and so you only save them if you want with the save as command.

http://www.schubert-it.com/pluginpdf/

Jan 15, 05 - 05:49 pm Comment from: jjr

I am not fond of Dell, but I do respect anyone that can make millions selling shit.

Jan 15, 05 - 06:04 pm Comment from: DaddySteve

The guy who founded Ronco (remember those Christmas gift gadgets?) also got rich, but no one is calling him an expert. No one remembers him either.
We do know how that movie ends!

Jan 15, 05 - 06:16 pm Comment from: paleobiology

DaddySteve: His name is Ron Poppeil. He stills sells a bunch of things on latenight TV.

Jan 15, 05 - 06:44 pm Comment from: Viridian

"the question is, was he right about AAPL.."

No, of course he wasn't. Dell has never been an expert in innovation, much as he'd like to think so, but he is absolutely an expert in manufacturing economics. My post was in reply to MDN's take that Dell would be nothing but a historical footnote. As to apologizing to Steve Jobs, why should he? Common human decency suggests that he should, but since when was that a requirement for a CEO? Jobs himself is not noted for his caring and sharing personality, and has been described as an "arrogant prick". And that's by people who work at Apple. It never ceases to amaze me that Mac lovers get so caught up in worshipping the guy. Don't get me wrong, I am damned glad that he's back at Apple, and that his vision drives both Apple and Pixar to deliver wonderful, wonderful stuff, but that doesn't mean I'd invite him to dinner.

Conversely, as odd as it may seem, Bill Gates has been described to me by several people who spent a couple weeks with him, as being charming, funny and outgoing in private ("a sweetheart" in their words), but because of his painful shyness it doesn't come across in public. They told me that it took several days for him to warm to them, and vice versa, but once he did, they all had a great time with him, probably because they never once talked about business. What I'm trying to say here, is that it's non-productive to get caught up in personality, or to ascribe qualities that may or may not exist to people because you like or dislike what they do. I love what Apple and Pixar do, that doesn't mean that I like Jobs or that he's necessarily a nice person, though I certainly have the deepest admiration and respect for him. I despise Microsoft's business practices, and I think their products, with the exception of Excel, are junk, but as has been described to me, Gates is actually a very nice man. Dell is a clichéd Texan, big mouth and big ego, but he is an important figure in the history of personal computing. It's important to separate the personalities from their achievements.

Jan 15, 05 - 06:47 pm Comment from: JadisOne

My favorite paragraph from the article:


But investors can take heart from the company's balance sheet. Apple's cash increased by $1.5-billion in its most recent quarter and now stands at $6.5-billion or a whopping $15.40 per share — all with no debt. Moreover, the ability to control costs adds to the cash coffers. In the last quarter, revenue rose 74 per cent, year over year, while expenses increased by just 28 per cent.


$6.5 billion in the bank with no debt is not beleaguered to me. I think the word folks really want to use when describing Apple is enviable.

Jan 15, 05 - 07:22 pm Comment from: Viridian

JadisOne,

Well said. Apple's current (and hopefully, continued) success is the best revenge they could have on the doom-sayers. Doesn't seem to have shut up Enderle though; the guy has been so consistently wrong about Apple that he's long since lost any semblance of journalistic credibility, yet he just keeps blathering on. When will it sink in with his readership that he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about?

Jan 15, 05 - 07:23 pm Comment from: Tommy Boy

$6.5 million in the bank sounds like a company that either needs to pay investors a dividend or increase R&D;(maybe by share some development costs with IBM on those G5s or nVidia on those video cards).

Jan 15, 05 - 07:30 pm Comment from: zupchuck

"Michael Dell, if he's really lucky, is destined to become a footnote in personal computer history."

Yes, if he's REEEAAALLy unlucky.

Oh, if Mr. Dell should apologize to Steve "I park in Handicapped Spaces" Jobs, then Steve should apologize to the handicapped persons to which he denied access.

Do I think Dell's products are revolutionary, no. Do I think Dell is the master of manufacturing efficiency and marketing. Yes. Does Dell deserve to be respected as a business man, hell yes! And Steve Jobs deserves at least equal admiration for this business contributions. Steve probably learned quite a bit from Mr. Dell on how be efficient in manufacturing.

Please, MDN, stick to news, not retarded commentary.

Jan 15, 05 - 08:22 pm Comment from: Gandalf

It is sad that some people take the view that just making lots of money is a positive attribute, a worthy aim in it's own right. There is nothing wrong with being financially rewarded for good work, nor with being very well rewarded for very good work but being well rewarded for poor work means that people have been short-changed, have received poor value. Those who profit from poor value should not be admired or respected.

Jan 15, 05 - 09:05 pm Comment from: SuzieMacFan

Dell used to make really good commercials before they fired their pot-head spokesperson.

But seriously - I think there is a huge place for Dell. I'm a mainframe programmer and we use pee-cees mainly as dumb terminals with e-mail, word processing, spreadsheet and some internet capabilities. I think Dells will continue to find homes in cubes all across the globe. Then people will go home to their beloved macs!!

Jan 15, 05 - 09:40 pm Comment from: mike

Steve probably learned quite a bit from Mr. Dell on how be efficient in manufacturing.
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Nope. Dell's secret is letting others take the 'risks' and then when a hit is established and commoditized, Dell jumps into the market.

If it weren't for risk takers like Apple .... who knows where the computer industry would be...

Certainly Dell hasn't contributed anything to the actual experience of computing.. (credit goes to MS and Developers for that)

Jan 15, 05 - 10:00 pm Comment from: Fred

>>$6.5 million in the bank sounds like a company that either needs to pay investors a dividend or increase R&D;(maybe by share some development costs with IBM on those G5s or nVidia on those video cards).

It's BILLION, with a B.
It will be interesting to see what Apple does with that much cash. Acquistions? Some sort of R&D;initiative... that's a load of cash to work with.....

Jan 15, 05 - 11:05 pm Comment from: Sol

We should not forget that not too long ago Dell were selling Apple's iPods. They stopped doing this so that they could sell the Dell Jukebox instead. If that was not a bonehead move, I do not know what is. Dell would have made a lot more money selling iPods than selling Dell Jukeboxes.

Jan 16, 05 - 06:42 am Comment from: nipplebrain

it's weird seeing some folks bemoan the mac mini's potential for introducing "joe sixpack" into the mac community... as if there exists some sort of homogenous community in the first place. even if such a community exists, just because there are more mac users doesn't mean that it will end.

if the mac mini increases the number of mac users, then this is good - period. the relative number of idiots using mac will not likely change, and the network effect of all these new users will be profound.

magic word: "egalitarian"; the proportion of assholes to decent people is the same, regardless of the size of the crowd.

Jan 16, 05 - 07:49 am Comment from: twilightmoon

Viridian
It's important to separate the personalities from their achievements.

This was a very well thought out and enjoyable post. Thanks for the good read.

Jan 16, 05 - 08:05 am Comment from: twilightmoon

Tommy Boy
$6.5 million in the bank sounds like a company that either needs to pay investors a dividend or increase R&D;(maybe by share some development costs with IBM on those G5s or nVidia on those video cards).

As per what Fred said, that's billion and not million. And I second the idea that R&D;and aquisitions are in order. Apple looks like they have the Mac mini positioned to fit into many spaces that PCs are not currently capable of going. Into cars, and other vehicles, and into entertainment systems, for example. Cheap desktop PCs do not currently integrate into those areas.

I see Apple furthering it's lead into the music business by creating an ecosystem around the Mac mini that allows it to integrate right into a full featured stereo system on both the high and medium, and maybe even low end, and when you couple this with the possibility of integrating it into TV/DVR/DVD setup, more possibilities open up.

POS systems and terminals hooked up to Apple's XServes are another area that is enticing. The XServe is already very agressively priced for its market. Imagine Mac minis attached to monitors running POS systems in Target and Best Buy, and even Walmart? Apple could work with one of these large companies and offer them an insane discount and use them as a "guinne pig" to get them into that market. Can you imagine what would happen if Walmart used Mac minis as POS? Apple should be working on a very robust POS integration software right now, combine it with inventory tracking and retail management and acconting (grr the YEW key is bsted on this cap PC keyboard, jst went ot)...

*sigh*

I need to get my friend a real compter...

Jan 16, 05 - 09:08 am Comment from: giofoto

JACK A: That plugin is a good plugin unfortunately it does not view embedded fonts. You still have to use Adobe Acrobat in order to be able to see embedded fonts.

I spoke with Schubert (the developer of the plugin) He says its on Apple's end to fix it. Until then he cannnot update it to view embedded fonts.

Jan 16, 05 - 09:16 am Comment from: giofoto

Also some of you speak of websites that you can only use IE on Windows. That is true. Some developers are still using code that only a windows Machine recognizes. Plus it is using the infamous "API32".

There are many reports on the subject. Infact there is a report that when M$ was so worried about Suns Java someone said that M$ was blind and got sideswiped from their own beast, API32. Not exactly sure on the whole picture. But it's out there. I just know that it wasn't something M$ was expecting and they were not happy of the use of the API32 by other 3rd parties.

Jan 16, 05 - 11:28 pm Comment from: Flashlx

O.K.
so we're a way from where it started, but Dell, is the Robert Hall of the computer industry.

Dress it up in a tin box, and we just hope the stitching holds it together.t

Jan 17, 05 - 06:18 am Comment from: Road Warrior

I like "The Gates of Dell" shall never prevail myself.

May 14, 06 - 05:41 am Comment from: jazon

funny thing apple is using intel chips now.

May 14, 06 - 05:43 am Comment from: jazon

and now working on using windows apps

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