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Macs and viruses: the true story
Tuesday, May 02, 2006 - 04:39 PM EDT

"There was a great story yesterday by 'technology writer' Dan Goodin at the Associated Press, and because it was from the AP, we can read it on several sites," John Gruber writes for Daring Fireball. "What’s great about an AP story like this one is that if you’re only paying attention to the headlines, it creates the impression that there are multiple reports from all over the web corroborating the same point, when in fact it’s just one story, repeated many times over by news publications that regurgitate whatever comes in over the AP wire."

"Journalism this good deserves a close analysis," Gruber writes before providing said analysis with gusto.

"With Apple yesterday launching a new television ad campaign that draws specific, pointed attention to the fact that Macs are not besieged by malware — this sort of bogus 'trend piece' that purposefully conflates the issues of whether Macs are in theory potentially vulnerable to malware (yes) with whether Macs are in reality under attack (no) is just what the doctor ordered," Gruber writes.

"If Goodin wanted to be reasonable or accurate, he could have written a story titled 'Some Guy Double-Clicked a Trojan Horse Virus for Mac OS X but It Didn’t Actually Spread to Anyone Else,' but what kind of story would that be? OK, it’d be a true story, but it wouldn’t be a good story," Gruber writes. "No one would have linked to such a story except to make fun of it: What would be the point of making a big stink out of one guy who got hit by a Mac OS X Trojan horse — which was so poorly written that it couldn’t even successfully spread to another computer — when there are hundreds of thousands (millions?) of Windows users suffering from malware every single day? What good journalism calls for is taking that one guy, and writing an article that presents his episode as though it were part of a trend of increasing Mac virus attacks. No one is going to make fun of Dan Goodin — or the Associated Press, or the dozens of reputable news outlets that ran the story — for that."

Full article, highly recommended, here.

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May 02, 06 - 06:01 pm Comment from: Just in Case

Let's say that I somehow got a virus on one of my Macs. I know it's hard to imagine, but let's just say it happened. What do I do?

May 02, 06 - 06:04 pm Comment from: R

Denial works.

May 02, 06 - 06:07 pm Comment from: davida

I read him daily, 'suppose I should pony up for the privilege.

May 02, 06 - 06:09 pm Comment from: Can They All Be Wrong?

Reports are EVERYWHERE that Macs are under attack by viruses galore. Can they ALL be wrong? Maybe it's time for Apple to admit the coming onslaught and confess the experiment with Intel, Windows, Boot Camp, etc. is a disaster and we all will now suffer from now on.

May 02, 06 - 06:14 pm Comment from: Mike

Do you think the AP will pick up this article? Doubtful!

May 02, 06 - 06:20 pm Comment from: Can they all be wrong?

Yes

They're all Associated Press syndicated articles. The same article, in fact.

May 02, 06 - 06:26 pm Comment from: Wanted: real journalists

A proper journalist would do a little digging to see who all these 'Mac users' in the article really are.

And whether or not Microsoft is behind them.

Or perhaps it's that shyster Microsoft-retained lawyer. Remember? The one who's running all those nano-scratch class actions?

Anyways, this AP story stinks like a set-up.

May 02, 06 - 06:27 pm Comment from: Laughable

Yes they can all be wrong, because they are all the same article. I have used a mac for about 6 years now. Never once even turned on firewall and i keep my computer running for as long as possible always connected to the internet. I have been to many sites, downloaded many stupid things from many untrusted sources. I'm TRYING to get a virus. It's just not working. I ran a virus scanner once and found 500+ Windows viruses sitting on my computer taking up space, but not affecting me at all. I just sit and laugh whenever i see all these articles (same article really)

May 02, 06 - 06:32 pm Comment from: Al Jazzoo

Good article. Yesterday's virus stories were pure MS-organized propaganda.

May 02, 06 - 06:34 pm Comment from: Al Jazzoo

Let's say that I somehow got a virus on one of my Macs. I know it's hard to imagine, but let's just say it happened. What do I do?

Mac's get viruses, they actually come on the machine. That's a 100% fact.

I've gotten Javascript viruses and Windows viruses. I've gotten Microsloth Excel and Word macro viruses. I've gotten other application viruses as well.

So the statement "Mac's don't get viruses" is 100% in error.

But what they mean is that Mac OS X itself doesn't get affected by viruses, which by nature are almost all Windows viruses.

Mac's can indeed be a Typhoid Mary and pass viruses to other computers

So to clean the filth off your machine, you shoudl use ClamXav occassionally or before sending Windows email files off again.

DO NOT USE ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE (or much of anything)<b. THAT INSTALLS USING ADMIN PASSWORD</b>

also don't, until a update is released that fixes the problem, do these things

Do not visit untrusted web sites.
Do not open ZIP archives or images originating from untrusted sources.
Do not click on suspicious links.

May 02, 06 - 06:35 pm Comment from: John

this is all a bit like gossip about the virginal prom queen. Everyone it appears has potentially laid her... A quick easy way of ruining someones reputation.

May 02, 06 - 06:52 pm Comment from: Jerry Seinfeld

What is with those PC viruses anyway?

<ba-do-do-do-do. Pop. Pop.>

May 02, 06 - 06:55 pm Comment from: Jazoo_is_a_fool

Clam AV does not disinfect, hence the need for commercial AV products. Most users cannot handle manual removal and replacing of files required by clam..

May 02, 06 - 07:02 pm Comment from: No koolaid here

A better headline would be: No OS is immune to stupid user tricks.

May 02, 06 - 07:34 pm Comment from: pino (MacDude's Nemesis)

[ Mickey Mouse voice]

Hi, kids! My name's Al Jazzoo. I'm speaking to you today from here in the Cuckoo's Nest. Wha- What's that, you say? What's the Cuckoo's Nest?

Wellllllll, the Cuckoo's Nest is a very special place, boys and girls. Yessssss, yes it is. Why, it's the place where the trees taste like chocolate macaroons and the grass is bright pink! Where dogs are friendly with cats and butterflies tell jokes. And it's also the magical home of fairies and unicorns, too. Why just the other day I saw a dragon cavorting with a senior citizen, and a toadstool spoke to me in Swahili! Huh-huh-huh-- isn't that neat-o, boys and girls?!?

Yes, the Cuckoo's Nest is also the place where I dream up all of my fantasticable writings! You know, the one's I leave here on the Mac site -- just like horses leave dropppings by the barn! And ooohh, don't forget, licorice is wonderfully and squinchiloobidoubly mind-enhancing here, too. In fact, boys and girls, I never write unless I've had a sh-tload!!! Oops, can I say 'sh-tload'? Ohhhh, sure -- why the f-ck not, huh?

Well, kids, my times just about up. They're blowing the evening siren now and that means it's time for everyone's meds- err, time to get some rest! But I hope you've enjoyed your visit with me here at the Cuckoo's Nest, cuz I sure like hearing from you all! Yessiree, it's sure wonderful to have so many large, purple friends . . . all staring back at me from behind the magical glass lens . . . uhmm, mmm, why I remember way back when I was still a coherent young gherkin, I used to write the darndest things . . . I used to talk for hours and . . . and then I'd . . . I'd . . . ooooohhhh, so . . . sooooo sleepy now . . . Ummmmmmm . . . ummmmmmm . . . ohhhh, that's good sh-t, mannnnnnnnnnn . . . ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, yaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh . . .

[/Mickey Mouse voice]

May 02, 06 - 08:05 pm Comment from: shadowself

It is a basic mathematical fact: You can draw ANY trend line you want through a single data point.

Idiotic, sensationalizing, publicity hunting, reader starved "journalists" are the only ones drawing a trend line showing the sky is falling in on Mac OS X security.

May 02, 06 - 08:05 pm Comment from: Al Jazzoo

Clam AV does not disinfect, hence the need for commercial AV products. Most users cannot handle manual removal and replacing of files required by clam..

Commercial AV software or virus removal methods are not a problem, as long as it doesn't require a admin password to install or work.

Right now there are more application expoits and flaws for AV software than there are viruses for Mac OS X. If a AV software has root access, the game is over. Virex, McAfee and Norton AV all had root level exploits.

ClamXav had a exploit, but because it didn't have root access the effects were greatly minimalized.

May 02, 06 - 08:10 pm Comment from: Al Jazzoo

Serious flaw found in X11, Mac's affected

running X11 code?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/zd/20060502/tc_zd/177195

May 02, 06 - 08:14 pm Comment from: Nick

*sigh*

Al Jazzoo, just so you can get a clue if you want to:

A Mac OS X virus would be a program that installs iteself without the user knowing it, and spreads itself to other computers undetected.

By that definition, there has never been a single Mac OS X virus. The Microsoft Macro viruses only affect Microsoft Office documents.

Macs cannot spread Windows viruses in a viral manner. Mac users can manually forward email containing Windows viruses to Windows users, but that is a shortcoming of Windows, not Mac OS X.

It is not the job of Apple computer to save Windows users from Windows viruses, except of course by selling Macs.

May 02, 06 - 08:24 pm Comment from: unfettered

Let's say that I somehow got a virus on one of my Macs. I know it's hard to imagine, but let's just say it happened. What do I do?

Delete that Windows boot camp partition and resume using OS X?

May 02, 06 - 08:33 pm Comment from: Nick

I love how Windows people are more interested in the first Mac virus appearing than the 115,000th (or whatever) Windows virus appearing.

We can start worrying about Mac viruses when Apple makes ActiveX for Mac OS X.

May 02, 06 - 08:37 pm Comment from: Al Jazzoo

Nick why are you bothering to talk?

1: A Mac OS X virus would be a program that installs iteself without the user knowing it, and spreads itself to other computers undetected.

A Mac OS X virus would be one that utilizes Mac OS X to spread itself. There are no Mac OS X viruses, but that doesn't mean "Mac's don't get viruses" because they do.

By that definition, there has never been a single Mac OS X virus

I never said there was., read my post moron.

The Microsoft Macro viruses only affect Microsoft Office documents.

Right it's a application virus but it can get on a Mac correct? So Mac's can get viruses. = TRUE. fucktwad.

Macs cannot spread Windows viruses in a viral manner.

Because they are viruses that exploit Windows and Mac OS X doesn't have the same vunerabilites. No duh!'

Mac users can manually forward email containing Windows viruses to Windows users, but that is a shortcoming of Windows, not Mac OS X.

Viruses attached to graphic images, text and other files also can passed along to Windowze users. So still Mac's can get virues and pass them along like Typhoid Mary. dick4brains.

It is not the job of Apple computer to save Windows users from Windows viruses, except of course by selling Macs.

Who said anything about Apple saving Windows users from viruses? It's the user passing files to PCs from Mac's that causes the virus to transmit.

examine carefully my post above, you'll see I never said Mac OS X viruses.

May 02, 06 - 08:50 pm Comment from: Nick

Al Jazzoo is my favorite poster.

In a single post, he made the following statements:
"So Mac's can get viruses. = TRUE."
"I never said Mac OS X viruses."

Yesssss. I can fear your anger! It makes you strong! LOL

May 02, 06 - 08:54 pm Comment from: Nick

Al Jazzoo, you might want to go back to grade school too, since you clearly missed a few things in grammar class. At LEAST check this page out, for the love of all things holy:

http://tranchant.plus.com/notes/apostrophe

May 02, 06 - 08:54 pm Comment from: Roberto

I was watching Vito on the "Sopranos" and my Mac had a kernhole panic.

May 02, 06 - 08:58 pm Comment from: Jim - the independent voter

I wonder what Al Jazoo thinks of "trusted computing"????

lol

May 02, 06 - 09:03 pm Comment from: John

I'll make fun of Dan Goodin. He's goodin at writing bad stories that are full of FUD!

May 02, 06 - 09:10 pm Comment from: Mike

WHAT TO DO IF YOU THINK YOU HAVE A VIRUS. GET THIS


http://www.intego.com/virusbarrier/

AND RUN A CLONE WITH THIS BEFORE IT ALL HAPPENS

http://www.intego.com/virusbarrier/

May 02, 06 - 09:13 pm Comment from: Mike

OOPS This is the link http://www.intego.com/personalbackup/

May 02, 06 - 09:17 pm Comment from: Nick

All of this Windows viruses vs Mac OS X theoretical viruses reminds me of 2004. Remember when we had two presidential canditates running, one had no military combat experience and the other had 1 silver star, 1 bronze star and 3 purple hearts? Guess who got hit with the FUD campaign?

Now we've got windows, known by even my mom to be extremely virus-prone, and we've got Mac OS X, which has never had a single virus. Which operating system is getting hit with the FUD?

All we need now is a Microsoft television ad campagin called "Mac OS X virus survivors for truth."

May 02, 06 - 09:19 pm Comment from: Nick

(...mind you, Microsoft would have no "official" ties to said ad campaign, of course)

May 02, 06 - 09:25 pm Comment from: Auntie Al Jazzoo

And I wonder what Al Jazoo thinks of the "iPod Hi-Fi"????

May 02, 06 - 09:25 pm Comment from: AL Jazzoo

Nick = Pino

You can run, but you can't hide from the 'dude.

MDW: "head" Like Nickie gives great dickie.

I have one final thing I want you to consider. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense!

May 02, 06 - 09:32 pm Comment from: Ziggybop

Just in Case, to answer your question.

Whenever the first virus shows up to really affect OS X, check the Mac webosphere. There will be stories beyond belief obsessing over every nit of this oddity. Wait a day or two for the panic and FUD to calm down, then follow the advice of reputable Mac sites.

Otherwise, follow good security practices: back up your user files regularly, avoid questionable emails, learn about your firewall, download your shareware files from MacUpdate, Versiontracker or Apple.

You can run ClamXav if you're so inclined. I found one Windows java virus (solution from an anti-virus site found by searching for "virus-name mac" on Google: delete the files), a bunch of phishing emails in my Junk folder and a couple of Classic OS viruses in my old ClarisEmailer folder, again, just delete the files.

May 02, 06 - 09:33 pm Comment from: Spark

Some of you are acting like you just found out that modern "journalism" isn't about reporting news. No way! It's about shaping perception. The AP is notorious packaging inuendo as "news". Most main stream media long ago gave up news for entertainment. It's all about sensationalism. Normality doesn't sell. Microsoft and viruses = "Dog bites man"; Macs and viruses = "Man bites dog".

May 02, 06 - 09:36 pm Comment from: Al Jazzoo

You know you love me.

You tried and you failed.

Why would a Wookiee, an eight-foot tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two-foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this case? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense! Look at me. I'm a lawyer defending a major record company, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca! Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense! And so you have to remember, when you're in that jury room deliberatin' and conjugatin' the Emancipation Proclamation, [approaches and softens] does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does not make sense! If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests.

May 02, 06 - 10:06 pm Comment from: men in white coats

Mr. Jazoo, please come with us. We have a nice padded room for you to check out.

May 02, 06 - 10:16 pm Comment from: pino (MacDude's Nemesis)

No, no, noooooo . . . pino no 'Nick'. Nick do good all by hisself.

pino appreciate Nick help, but no need.

Actuawwy, pino no need anybody help!

No . . . cuz MacDude/Al Poopoo look like fool all by hisself!!

Foorish! Vewy, vewy foorish you are, Al Poopoo!!!!!

And now pino rearize someting . . . yesssss, pino now utterwy convinced: Al Poopoo is himself a viwus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, viwus . . . dat's what AL Poopoo is!!! And best thing for viwus, evewybody know: AVOID!!!!!

Avoid Al Poopoo! Put on 'ignore' button. Stay awaaaaaaaaaaay fwom him.

Be veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwy caweful, evewyone!

Al Poopoo dangerous! Thoughts, bad!

Ignore him!!! Ignore like da plague!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

May 02, 06 - 10:30 pm Comment from: Al Jazzoo

And your recommend the "men in white coats" for me?

I might be crazy, but I'm not insane like poor pino here.


Ok pino, now don't smear your poo poo all over your nice white Mac keyboard again.

Rememeber how I made you clean it up with your tongue the last time.

Behave!

May 02, 06 - 10:43 pm Comment from: matt

all this talk about wookiees is confusing. i must have a virus on my mac! i think i heard it sneeze! or was that my dog? or a wookiee? i better listen to everything the AP says! shape my perception! ahhhhh-CHOOOO!!

May 02, 06 - 10:47 pm Comment from: Al Poopoo

I like to spout. I'm on here allllllllllllllllllllllllllllll the time!

Why don't I have a life? Why do the squirrels spit at me?

There's only one person I can blame for all this. Yes, one person.

ARE YOU LISTENING, MOTHER????!!????

Get the knives! Get the knives! Get the knives!

May 02, 06 - 10:58 pm Comment from: Nick

What does Al Jazzoo think of all of this? I haven't heard from her for a while.

May 02, 06 - 11:00 pm Comment from: justme2

All those who are all panicky about Mac viruses, here's a solution:

1. Take your Ethernet cable
2. Unplug it from your computer
3. Stay off the Internet and have fun playing Chess

For the rest of us, we'll take precautions, but we're not going to let FUD rule our lives...

And for those who are saying, "Oh, goody, Macs are going to be just as virus prone as Windows!", dream on...oh, and "bugs" are not the same thing as viruses...

May 02, 06 - 11:13 pm Comment from: Nick

Wow, I just looked at this page on my Windows Box and I got a malware infection called "SpyFalcon". I'm in the process of getting rid of it. Thanks for the malware, MDN!

May 02, 06 - 11:19 pm Comment from: Nick

Man, I sure wish Al Jazzoo would post something, I miss her.

(... waiting for my system scan to complete...)

May 02, 06 - 11:22 pm Comment from: Nick

Now my taskbar has this big flashing red thingy in it, and if I click it it opens my browser up to here:

http://www.spyfalcon.com/?aff=265

It happened right after one of these popup ads appeared, spawned by the MDN page. Is that even legal?

May 02, 06 - 11:44 pm Comment from: Al Poopoo

Where is the light?

Oh dear God, make the noises stop.

I'm 15, okay? Lay off!

May 03, 06 - 12:48 am Comment from: Jooop

Al, you would only be running X11 on your Mac if you purposely put in the OS X CD, went into Development Tools and installed it. It doesn't come pre-installed on any Mac, and isn't installed with the OS when you do a clean install.

May 03, 06 - 12:52 am Comment from: No Kool Aid here

I just got a popup notice from my Webroot spysweeper program: It said I was now protected against 136,460 threat traces. Maybe it is time to switch to Mac. LOL

May 03, 06 - 01:44 am Comment from: Al Jazzoo

Al, you would only be running X11 on your Mac if you purposely put in the OS X CD, went into Development Tools and installed it. It doesn't come pre-installed on any Mac, and isn't installed with the OS when you do a clean install.

duh, some do run X11. A lot of knowledgeable Mac folks have Dev Tools installed, like they should.

And I have a excuse, I'm a paranoid crazy tin-foiled hat dude that's been driven bonkers by Microsoft malware.

I got a Mac because Chewbacca lives on Endore with a bunch of two foot tall Ewoks and it doesn't make sense!!

Please pass the kool-aid.

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