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Wonder if I can sue for pain and suffering? Added to my lawsuit about easily scratching my Nano, I'll be set. I'll get 1/2 of Apple's profits yet!
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To be fair, this is not the most moronic thing I've ever heard. Bush's classic "We do not torture" whopper was. But this is in the top ten. I mean seriously, how many hours per day does the average music fan spend scrolling? I'd round it to zero hours. Most of the typical iPod user's time is spent LISTENING. If anything, they should be complaining about iPod EARS.

no cause. what are you working really really hard with ipod like sports? you're not. it just simple movement of your thumb. I don't usually touch clickwheel when I listen because shuffle mode is everything I need. so you don't have to use your thumb every time. naybe you have to concern about typing on keyboard rather than ipod.

I'm developing "super mouse forefinger" from trying to use the new scroll button on the super mouse (which isn't very super).

Andrew Hamilton
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OH GOD HERE WE GO AGAIN....

Frigging retards, what the heck is one using the scroll wheel so much for anyway?

Create a random playlist, set it and forget it.


SHEEESH!!!


MDN Word: "person" Like what sort of person uses a iPod so much that it hurts?

How is this different from moving your thumb and other fingers when you use the Sony Playstation or Xbox?

"We have also seen cases of iPod users where the problem has spread to their elbow and neck"

I'm part Scot myself, but I have to wonder how many of my kinsmen are so daft that they watch their thumbs instead of the screen -- only reason I can see for why people would waggle their heads around in a circle enough to cause neck problems.

The only other thing I can think of would be people gettin' down to the Hokey-Pokey, dancing while listening to it on their iPods. If you know anyone who might do this, recommend that they get a Nano or Shuffle -- you know how much damage that "shake it all about" part can do to hard drives over time? It ain't pretty....

IT guy: Strictly speaking, it isn't. However, the game controllers are more ergonomically-designed than the iPod. Nevertheless, too much PS2 can give you achy hands.

Repetitive stress injuries go way back. I remember one associated with playing too much Rubik's Cube. Even farther back, there was one associated with disco dancing -- it came from snapping your fingers too much.

that you need to skip constantly... get some better music

wow. this only furthers the notion in my mind that chiropractors are quacks.

a mouse and keyboard have the same effect.

do these people ever hear of shuffling songs on an ipod? if they're that fed up with the way itunes randomly picks songs, they can make a playlist, smart or not, toggle on and off the shuffle and/or repeat, and you don't have to worry about constantly using the ipod scroll pad.

maybe it's a concern if you're addicted to the games on the ipod, but i use those only to kill a few minutes every so often.

Haggis er Fegus seems ot have it out for Apple products - this isn't the first time he has spread doom and gloom about Apple...


MDNMW: too as in her we go again, too -- the department of redundancy department

this is just ridiculous! people are TRYING too hard to find things againt apple! how sad can these freaks get! Its no more unnatural than the stupid repetitive Zen Control! Sad lil buggers!

try mobile phones and sending SMS'

or in the case of many individuals - too much masturbation

perhaps use another finger, I suggest the middle one!

Let's see what other reasons we could find for getting money from Apple...

I can see it now... "Man will sue Apple for straining eyes while watching videos on his iPod."

O god...

~Caleb

chiropractors say listeners should not use their thumbs to scroll but instead take the player in one hand, and use the finger of the other to move the navigation wheel.

What utter garbage! Anyone who scrolls that much deserves it. Really heavy scrollers should consider using their tongue; its self-lubricating capability is inversely proportional to one's IQ.

Carl Irwin, from the British Chiropractic Association, said: "This is a really serious problem. The action needed to move the wheel on an iPod is totally unnatural and effectively separates the joint in the thumb every time you use it.

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Uh.. how often do I use that thing? Like.. everytime i want to play another playlist, or right when I turn the iPod on and adjust the volume.. this is just so corny. There's a reason they have smart playlists, shuffle, etc.. stop fiddling with your iPod and leave it in your pocket. I touch the scrollwheel about 3 times a day.

Carl Irwin, from the British Chiropractic Association, said: "This is a really serious problem. The action needed to move the wheel on an iPod is totally unnatural and effectively separates the joint in the thumb every time you use it.

That's his medical opinion of course. Every chiropractor goes through intensive training in identifying and treating "unnatural" joint movements. These people are on the front lines of the fight against all kinds of "serious problems." In fact, when Medecins Sans Fontieres (Doctors Without Borders) go to AIDS ravaged nations they are often led by a chiropractor.

another extremely serious problem is piano playing..the repetitive finger motion involved in pressing keys down..and then having to lift your finger back up and then down and up and down yet again. i'm a lawyer and i'm looking into suing european piano makers on Beethovens behalf..
and i'm thinking of suing the makers of spoons on Betty Crockers behalf. do you have any idea what damage there can be done to a young homemaker who just wants to make a batch of cookies. they have to stir to mix the dough, right? that can do irrevocable damage to Bettys wrist.
my lawyer friends say this is a f*king goldmine. the possibilities are endess. oh, and when i have my iPod outside on a sunny day if i'm not wearing sunglasses i can actually go snowblind.

What a total load. Back and neck injury? Well, perhaps if you were trying to push the wheel through the back of the unit, (In an attempt to add some nice class action scratches)... Common. Next they'll say having a Shuffle around your neck causes curvature of the spine and breast cancer.

This is the kind of thing you get when you let crybaby bed-wetting liberals run around free.

So Tom (smells) Strong, all we need is a little neo-fascism to fix everything?.... jeez, when the 'right' starts looking bad (finally some truth about the Bush Crime Family & Co. is leaking out, and its only just beginning), they get desperate.

"Carl Irwin, from the British Chiropractic Association, said: "This is a really serious problem. The action needed to move the wheel on an iPod is totally unnatural and effectively separates the joint in the thumb every time you use it."

This statement is ridiculous and not supported by anatomic and physiological fact. The human thumb is designed to move in all directions. Light movement or pressure on an iPod wheel would NOT "joint separation" in the thumb. By the way, which joint in the thumb -- trapeziometacarpal, metacarpophalangeal, interphlangeal, or all of the above? Total BS (or more properly termed for this site, "FUD!") The joints don't just "separate" with normal thumb movement. The interosseous ligaments are very strong and provided there has been no pre-existing injury or degenerative arthritic condition "joint separation" does not occur, even with moderately forceful movements let alone the light touch movements required for iPod use.

MW = "seems" It seems as though he's groveling for some patients!

Let's not forget the lesson we all should have taken away from the Optigrab.

http://imdb.com/title/tt0079367/?fr=c2l0ZT1kZnx0dD0xfGZiPXV8cG49MHxrdz0xfHE9dGhlIGplcmt8ZnQ9MXxteD0yMHxsbT01MDB8Y289MXxodG1sPTF8bm09MQ__;fc=1;ft=23;fm=1

I sure hope Steve is able to keep his Thermos after all this.

Maybe their chiropractic problems stem from wanking it too much Dr.

It's funny that this Dr. is so SERIouS about it too.

Thanks MDN for having the most user friendly feedback/posts site.

Just came from appleinsider, whadda hassle

Hey... lets start a class action lawsuit.

MDK keyword = for
as in "for god's sake people... grow a damn brain!"

davida, there's nothing "neo" about Bush's brand of fascism. If you go to Mussolini's original definition of fascism (it's all over the web, including wikipedia, but try this: <http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3543&highlight;=> ), it describes Bush's administration perfectly.

<or in the case of many individuals - too much masturbation>

bstoned,
you're doing that with your thumb???

sum jung gai, I do appreciate the clarification, you are correct. I wonder if this will get coverage in the so-called 'liberal press', (wish it was!).. check it out, just reported on Friday... http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/1,1249,635160132,00.html ....the times will be achangin' soon, thank God.

MW 'took', as in Bush took us for a ride, thankfully its almost over.

Why is it that eveything new is always a health risk?

I think I'm going to sue my school for requiring a calc that gives me "calculator thumb" *just kidding, but honestly, this is absurd.*

Brigham Young ought to fire the troll.

Of course, "Less."

They should fire anybody who tries to study anything that's not officially approved by our fearlessly Fascist leaders. Heil Bush, mein Freund!

Hate is not a family value.
Who would Jesus torture?
No democracy was ever built by an invasion force.

“My inclination was to support the government and the war until proven wrong, and that only came later, as I realized we could not explain the mission, had no exit strategy, and did not seem to be fighting to win.”
—G. W. Bush on Vietnam War, in A Charge to Keep: My Journey to the White House

Reads better without the "not," SJG.

"Repetitive Stress Injury" (RSI) - has been PRVEN to be a LOAD of crap.

Just an excuse from lazy people who wanted to get out of work and jumped on by "Quacks" that wanted to make a buck (eg "Carl Irwin, from the British Chiropractic Association")!!!!

Unfortunately this whole load of "RSI" crap was "INVENTED" in Australia by lazy office workers keen to make a buck off their employers.

The "condition" didn't exist before the 80's and "broke out" in an office in Sydney. Then "spread" around the world as people learnt of a new way to scam money for nothing.

Bah Humbug!

my 2 cents

Luke

OOPPPS - PRVEN should be PROVEN

Also notice how these "RSI" cases first occured in OFFICES and now have "spread" to manufacturing industries. Funny seeing that manufacturing jobs had and still have A LOT MORE REPITITION than office roles, yet for CENTURIES no one in these jobs suffered this debilitating "condition". Then some dodgy office workers create a scam and now all these factory workers are getting the same disease caused by using a typewriter repeatedly!!!!???

BALONEY!

Luke

It's a dry read, but explains my point of view extremly well:

http://www.szasz.com/spillaneremarks.html

Highlights include:

"Throughout the 1970s the number of new cases of 'musculoskeletal disease' recorded each year showed no tendency to increase. But in five years from 1979 to 1984 the number jumped (in one state-New South Wales) from 980 to 4550 new cases per year, an unparalleled increase. By 1983-1984 RSI cases represented nearly 30% of total disease cases in compensation statistics."

"Large organisations, particularly in the public sector and in other Australian states, recorded similar increases....almost 4,000 cases were recorded in Australian Government organisations in the December 1985 quarter alone. However, the incidence pattern was inconsistent with exposure to repetitive tasks. Some organisations remain 'unscathed' whereas others with similar work patterns reported outbreaks of epidemic proportions (eg Telecom, Commonwealth Bank of Australia). Of those organisations affected by the RSI epidemic some noted a pattern which suggests a contagion effect in that workers were affected in quick succession (Deves and Spillane, 1989). Australians were clearly involved in an epidemic which until 1982 did not have a name - RSI had not yet been invented."

"By 1986, RSI had been called 'Repetition Strain Injury', 'Retrospective Supplementary Income', 'Runaway Social Invention', 'Golden Wrist', 'Kangaroo Paw', occupational neurosis (Spillane and Deves, 1986). It had entered the workers' compensation arena to such a degree that in the March and June quarters of 1985 NO (my emphasis) Australian government employee who applied for compensation for RSI was REFUSED (my emphasis)."

NOTE: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome is NOT a fake disease (it has clinical signs AND symptoms (eg pain)) As opposed to RSI which is simply symptom (i.e. a COMPLAINT of pain) with no clinical signs.

"The idea of RSI is thus firmly rooted in the notion of complaint, unlike established diseases (for example, carpal tunnel syndrome) which are based on independent signs. A sore arm is a complaint, 'it' might be a lie. Symptoms without signs are communications not diseases, complaints not 'conditions' until proven otherwise."

Oh well I'm sure some chiro's and potentially some lawyers will make a few bucks out of this stinking pile of crap!

Luke

This is the kind of thing you get when you let crybaby bed-wetting liberals run around free.

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Yeah, all those left wing pinko lawyers... er... always lookin for a quick buck.. what a liberal attitude. pfft..

Dumbass

HEY I GOT MY IPOD ABOUT 6 MOUNTHS AGO AND I HAVE USED IT EVEY WHERE I GO SINCE THEN AND I GOT TO SAY MY ELBOW HURTS SO BAD IM GOING TO THE DOCTERS IN A FEW DAYS IM EVEN HAVEING A HARD TIME TYPEING WITH MY IPOD ARM SO ANY ONE WHO READS THIS DONT TAKE IT AS A JOKE I FOUND THIS ARTICAL I FEW DAYS AFTER I GOT MY IPOD AND LAUGHED AND 6 MOUNTHS LATER ITS NOT SO FUNNY WELL THATS ALL FOR ME I JUST HAD TO PUT MY 2 CENTS IN LATER PPLS

I've got ipod dick, it doesn't say anywhere in the manual about what part of your anatomy you are supposed to use to scroll :(