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Is Microsoft’s stripped-down ‘Longhorn’ worth waiting for?
Friday, September 10, 2004 - 11:53 AM EDT

"Longhorn needs a new name. It's not just because I'm tired of the bovine references and the 'shorthorn' jokes. No, the problem is that the future version of Windows formerly known as Longhorn in many ways won't resemble the Longhorn that Microsoft described last fall at its Professional Developers Conference," Mike Ricciuti writes for CNET News. "Why can't Microsoft--the world's largest software company, with thousands of talented programmers and billions of dollars in the bank--bring the unified storage concept to life?"

"Next year, Apple plans to launch new search tools [Spotlight] as part of the Tiger release of OS X. And the Linux camp isn't far behind: Novell says it's retooling its iFolder software to give its SuSE Linux unified search capabilities,' Ricciuti writes. "The capabilities of these various schemes vary, and details are sketchy. But clearly, Microsoft--which popularized the idea of unified search--will likely lose the race to market with actual product. Now the challenge for the company is to convince customers that Longhorn--or whatever you think we should call it--is still worth waiting for."

Full article here.

MacDailyNews Take: Was it ever worth waiting for Longhorn, even if it did have all of its promised features? Of course, we already have Mac OS X Panther today, we're not stuck with Windows XP, so forgive us for not awaiting the promise of 'Longhorn' with bated breath. Moo.

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Sep 10, 04 - 01:31 pm Comment from: choc

Of course, M$ had to popularize the idea otherwise it might never be developed. M$ doesn't actually innovate, they steal, er, um, borrow, from others. Because vendors other than Apple are developing the idea, M$ is free to steal from anyone, and avoid the apprearance of monopolistic practices because "everyone" is developing this technology.

Sep 10, 04 - 01:33 pm Comment from: walter

just another giant patch and "theme" for xp.

moo

Sep 10, 04 - 01:44 pm Comment from: I Hate Micros**t and can't wait to see it die!

Why don't they call it Windows XP SP3?

Chuckle Chuckle grin

Sep 10, 04 - 01:56 pm Comment from: freebee

MDN...please fix this error:
"Was ever worth waiting for Longhorn even if it did have all of its promised features?"

to

Was it ever worth waiting for Longhorn, even if it did have all of its promised features?

..or something to that effect...

Sep 10, 04 - 02:03 pm Comment from: mac dood

Well, I, for one, wait with much anticipation for the release of Longhorn....

Why ?

I'm curious to see how many apps it breaks, how many security holes it will have, and how much easier it will be for the malware writers to have fun with it !!

Gates and his WinLemmings just dont get it...do they ?

Sep 10, 04 - 02:11 pm Comment from: Ed

"Why don't they call it Windows XP SP3?"

While that may be all "Longhorn" may be in reality, MS wants to make money off of this release. That means they have to change the name in order to fool the sheep into spending money for a service pack.

And they complain about OS X. At least we can point out new features.

Sep 10, 04 - 02:16 pm Comment from: mac zealot

Progress in OS development is based on product not promises. It has been 9 years since MS promised Longhorn's release and still the world waits. By the time MS offers something that may or may not be likened to Longhorn it is probable that MS will be so far behind the curve of OS development that their efforts will be practically irrelevant.

I have no confidence in MS to do much more than provide its consumers with minor and incremental changes to its existing DOS-based OS coupled with numerous and regular security patches. MS is being crushed by its own weight of incompetence and complacency

Sep 10, 04 - 02:20 pm Comment from: iggyb

What stinks is that M$ can really take all the time they want. When they release it, they'll pump a ton of money into marketing, and all the drones will go out and buy it. And the reviewers will find it so "revolutionary", even though Apple and probably Linus will have had something similar but better out for a while by then. Remember the hoopla around Windows 95?

Sep 10, 04 - 02:21 pm Comment from: Finito

Longhorn -> Wrongborn

Sep 10, 04 - 02:59 pm Comment from: Mac Daddy

iggyb, sad but all too true. Microsoft will release Longhorn with enough fanfare to put a brass band to shame. When M$ snaps its fingers the media will fall in line to give all the free "advertisement" (under the guise of news stories) they can.

The average person will be mindlessly attracted by the noise and shell out his/her money.

Sep 10, 04 - 03:31 pm Comment from: Re-play

To Ed:

But they do have new features. You know, all those broken apps…that's a feature of any release of Windows! wink)

Sep 10, 04 - 03:41 pm Comment from: NoPCZone

WinFS is still being promised as a "beta" at Launch and a "service pack" later. I have no doubt that they will eventually ship the whole thing. The real question is: "Will anybody want it?'

Sep 10, 04 - 03:49 pm Comment from: mac zealot

iggyb & Mac Daddy:

Ideally, the longer the wait, the greater the anticipation, and the more likely that Longhorn will be reviewed with stringent analysis and rigorously compared with existing Apple and Linux OS's.

Realistically, most Windows users will be so ecstatic from their decade-long wait that objectivity will be shot, pure emotionalism will be rampant, and a spending spree will ensue to validate their mindless fascination with MS. Pathetic.

Sep 10, 04 - 03:51 pm Comment from: meat of moose

Longhorn has been renamed.

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1640995,00.asp

Sep 10, 04 - 04:32 pm Comment from: mike

Linux isn't far behind.. ??

PFFFT yes it is..



Wait wait wait.. the next version will be an XP upgrade! So they're still based on XP.. and their adding the three pillars individually..

Ah.. Uh oh...


THEY"RE STILL BASED ON XP..

which is still based on Win95...

Which is a complete mess..

BASTARDS.. I thought they were going to start from the ground up...

the delays are due to going back and including XP sp2 in the longhorn release..

what bullshit.. they had the chance to start from scratch.. but they won't do it.

Sep 10, 04 - 05:13 pm Comment from: kenh

RE: " Realistically, most Windows users will be so ecstatic from their decade-long wait that objectivity will be shot, pure emotionalism will be rampant, and a spending spree will ensue to validate their mindless fascination with MS. Pathetic."

Absolutely true.

I work for a manufacturer of motherboards, high end type specialized for specific industries. Some of these motherboards sell for $45,000.

I have a co-worker, huge gamer, (that literally is all he uses Windows for, and it is amazing how many of those people exist) who is literally ecstatic that Longhorn will be delayed.

I am not joking, he is ecstatic because he says that will ensure that they get it right, and put and end to Apple once and for all! He agrees with the 2008-2009 timeframe.

The funny part is that he does not do e-mail on his personal laptop due to security problems, and cannot believe that I do on-line banking on my I-Book with OSX.

He is proud that next month he is going to sit down and reconfigure his Dell with XP laptop so he can once again go on a network with other gamers in our company.

These are people with degrees in computer engineering in the company, who assume in their daily lives that it is normal to NOT be able to connect to other computers, and they literally believe that I am lying about being able to network using my I-Book.

No, I will not say who the company is.

Sep 10, 04 - 05:45 pm Comment from: MCCFR

Kenh:

You can't do that!

At least give us a cryptic crossword clue so we can have a stab at working out the company to which you're referring.

Sep 10, 04 - 05:48 pm Comment from: NoMacForYou

I too am glad they are waiting several years for a new release of Windows...Ive been getting tired of yearly upgrades...

Sep 10, 04 - 05:52 pm Comment from: mac dood

mike...

this news sounds like it upsets you ... one must wonder why ?

perhaps you should become a mac user yourself, so you can save money on asprin and laugh at at the idiots who are waiting patiently to spend their hard earned money on yet another OS that certainly will crumble under the weight of all those security patches its going to need..

Sep 10, 04 - 06:17 pm Comment from: Mo

This just goes to show that the existence of Microsoft is the biggest piece of blind dumb luck to occur in the past 100 years. It's like a giant dung ball rolling down a never ending hill, just keeps getting bigger and bigger. It boggles the mind how such a large group of people can be so completely dependant on something that is actually hurting them or at the very least holding them back.

Who are all these thousands brilliant programmers? What are they doing all day, playing Doom3 no doult. Someday someone will do a study of the biggest scam that history has ever known.

Sep 10, 04 - 06:26 pm Comment from: mac dood

A few months ago, there was a story going around concerning the hacking of the Micro$oft web site.. The hackers, evidently, did such a good job .. Billy Gates was forced to co-locate the entire domain...

The hilarious part of the story was who ended up hosting it.... Akami...

Correct me if Im wrong here, but doesnt Akami use Linux and OSX servers ?

Talk about having some egg on the face

Sep 10, 04 - 07:44 pm Comment from: Next

WinFS sortof is like Pictures, applications, movies, etc folders in the sidebar of the finder, right?

Sep 10, 04 - 08:02 pm Comment from: kenh

RE: can't do that.

Well, ok, a few minor clues.

It is in the US, you would recognize the company names of some of the people we build for, but would not recognize the products themselves because many of them are for servers of things like ATM machines, or medical equipment, and I think very few would recognize our company name.

You would not see our stuff in desktop or laptop computers.

I know that just makes it more mysterious, but it's not that unusual because subcontractors are a way of life these days.

I only made the original comment as a way of commenting on computer culture, and how so often those who work in the nuts and bolts part of it are sometimes a bunch of knotheads, just like in everything else in life.

Sep 10, 04 - 09:24 pm Comment from: sjk

WinFS sortof is like Pictures, applications, movies, etc folders in the sidebar of the finder, right?

The Windows File System

Sep 11, 04 - 12:55 am Comment from: MacBuddy

[Is Microsoft's stripped-down 'Longhorn' worth waiting for?]

Probably not.

But, that's irrelevant. Will it be wait for? You know it will.

Sep 11, 04 - 11:47 am Comment from: Next

thanks sjk but winfs is like the finder sidebar and spotlight combined. I just hope that the finder's search box is like spotlight.

Sep 11, 04 - 12:08 pm Comment from: solarflare

Simple answer:

NO!

End of subject and end of Microsoft (hopefully!)

Sep 11, 04 - 12:52 pm Comment from: Seahawk

There must be a sort of syndrome of beaten partner going on among Windows users.

They are beaten up badly, they know is not good, everybody tell them they have to quit the abuser, still they believe the abuser saying them "sorry, won't happen again, I am on the right track" till next beat-up.

Promises never kept, still the abuser-abused relationship rests on strong bounds. Difficult to break loose.

And yes, even with the cuts on the project, the abusers see that as proof that *this* time Microsoft is on track to deliver, otherwise they would have kept the promises "See? they cut this and that so they could truly deliver a good product. Longhorn will be great"

I have heard that. Felt pity for the chap.

Sep 11, 04 - 12:57 pm Comment from: Seahawk

To add insult to injury, the chap bought a 17" HP laptop, paying practically what would have given him a 17" Powerbook with slightly better configuration. Reason? To be ready for Longhorn.
Could you believe it?

And then they bash Steve RDF. This is not reality distortion, this is Microsoft sucking the brain of their customers and load their skull with shit.
It is a miracle they still look like human beings and talk rather then the idiots they truly are.

What can I say. Idiocy sucks.

Sep 11, 04 - 01:11 pm Comment from: Red Wings

If MS had totally started from scratch it might have been worthwhile but using legacy code is just going to continue the constant patches. Apple really needs to air commercials showing off Tiger next year and tout 64bit support and 32bit backward. And at the end of the commercial list off all the popular available apps that wintel heads would recognize.

Sep 11, 04 - 02:08 pm Comment from: sjk

thanks sjk but winfs is like the finder sidebar and spotlight combined.

WinFS is a filesystem; search the web for definitions and other info.

The Finder sidebar is a user interface component for accessing files/folders.

I just hope that the finder's search box is like spotlight.

Mac OS X Tiger: Finder Search

Sep 12, 04 - 03:23 am Comment from: mac zealot

Adding more code to Windows XP only makes XP bloated not better. Without fully functional and backwards compatible 64-bit processing nothing coming from Redmond can be considered a Longhorn. There are some unequivocal standards in the world, ya know.

Sep 12, 04 - 03:42 am Comment from: meat of moose

Avoid any plan that promises commissions to recruit new distributors. (Buy XP now. You know that everyone is. This guarantees compatibility.)

Beware of plans that ask you to spend money on costly inventory. (You’re not locked in with the biggest OS in the whole wide world, you’re part of the grand plan, Sam.)

Be cautious of claims that you will make money by recruiting new members instead of on sales you make yourself. (If your friends, business partners, etc. don’t use Windows you will never be able to share files, send e-mail, etc.)

Beware of promises about high profits or claims about "miracle" products. (Longhorn? Well, it’s nearly completed! Just wait. Why are you so impatient anyhow?)

Be cautious about references (The Enderle’s, Thurrott); they could be "shills" by the promoter.

Don’t pay money or sign contracts in a high-pressure situation. (Look, if you don’t buy XP now we can’t be sure the cost won’t increase tomorrow.)

Check out all offers with your local Better Business Bureau and state Attorney General.


MS, the world's longest running Pyramid Scheme, is doomed to fail.

Sep 12, 04 - 04:08 am Comment from: True Confessions

mac dood:

Bill Gate’s confesses, “Windows is such crap that Microsoft has to use and rely on Linux. Otherwise, our entire Windows infrastructure would collapse into a huge mound of stinking bovine excrement.”

http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2003/08/17/wwwmicrosoftcom_runs_linux_up_to_a_point_.html

http://www.internetweek.com/breakingNews/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=13100775

Sep 13, 04 - 12:47 am Comment from: mac dood

TC....

exactly !! thanx for the links

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