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You mean the same Bill Gates that just demonstrated his new gaming platform with Power Macintosh G5s, and which will use PowerPC chips from IBM?

I just can't help it: MW "love".

Nelson: Ha ha!

Macs suck.

Can't do jack with it and not enough programs I use are on it. Games are better on PC.

No wonder Windows rules the universe.

Huh? I guess Apple and Intel are pairing for something, because Intels main market is Wintel computers. Apple must be getting some logic board chips or something from Intel for the CEO to blast his largest market of desktops. I know Intel will be going strong with HP and other makers with the server market, but you can't put all your eggs in one basket like that without having something else.

OK, why am I having a problem with this statement: Mossberg asks if a computer user should buy a Mac or a PC, and Otellini says 'If you want to fix it tomorrow, maybe you should buy something else.' Is he sayin that if you want to fix your security problems tomorrow (as in the future) you should buy something other than a Mac? I guess that's what it is, but I have to hold my jaw in a certain way to make it come out like that.

Mac Nightmare, with such an open mind as yours, it is now wonder that the birds have chosen to nest there.

"Can't do jack with it and not enough programs I use are on it. Games are better on PC"
You mean the PowerPC?
As in Xbox360?

Mac Nightmare,

NO, games are better on a PlayStation... or even an XBox.

Pick the right tool for the task. What exactly are you doing with your computer that's so esoteric? Architectural design? CAD-CAM? Corporate accounting? Last time I checked, spreadsheets, word processing, music and film production, solving the mysteries of science and technology, et cetera, can be done on either the Mac or PC platform, oftentimes better on the Mac. Just ask VA Tech, or the Army. Or Trent Reznor. Or Walter Murch.

The trolls are out again. You people with an opinion without knowledge should unlearn the skill of typing. If you want to waste your days away playing games do it on a $200 PS2 or Xbox. To spend a boatload of cash on a wintell box just to play games showes us you are either spending mommy and daddies money or you are really dumb enough to believe what you posted. Regardless you have proved your lack of IQ to us all and may now go. Bye.

mac nightmare.

You'll learn a lot more when you get into high school.
Especially if you live in Cobb county.

First Andy Grove (intel's ex-CEO) admit using iMac
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,14868,00.html

and now Paul Otellini.

I love how the way good 'ole Walt pushed his buttons- priceless!

PC users - See my comic here: http://www.appleshift.com/index.php?option=com_zoom&Itemid=18&page=view&catid=1&PageNo=1&key=1&hit=1

Nuff said.

Check out eWeek's recent pieces on Virtualization and the problem of PC BIOS. Sounds like Intel is going that direction. Which is good. You can run Windows Services, and Linux Services and who knows, Mac services on one computer? Just like Virtual PC for Servers that lets X-86 Servers run multiple versions of Windows, UNIX and LInux on one machine in multiple virtualized machines at onece. There's a softwar layer that interacts with the hardware. And keeps the operating systems from dominating the hardware exclusively.

Now imagine a computer with both Pentium-M and PowerPC chips in it with this kind of virtualization and 8 gigs of RAM?

Watch for Quad-Processor G6s in a few years.

I want to see the video with Bill Gates and Napoleon Dynamite (John Heder) that the article mentions!! [see "Bill Gates' Backup Plan", at about the halfway point in the article]

Just kidding around.

We're all reading too much into this. He was lead into this comment by Mossberg.

Macnightmare you should try actually using a Mac before critizing. Most of the latest games are out on the Mac and play really well. Remember quantity doesn't mean quality. How many shelves of games are on the PC? How many of those games do you actually hear about that are actually worth buying? I'd say about the same number that are made for the Mac. They only make the best games for the Mac and leave the crap games behind. Some of the best games are Doom 3, Call Of Duty, World of Warcraft, and the Simms series.

To Intel's defense, blaming them for Windows security is like blaming a car for an accident caused by a drunk driver.

That's a scary comment from the Intel CEO.

Same story from the Mac Losers I've been hearing for years. Better GUI, better this, better that. If it was better, why isn't everybody using Mac like PC?

Yeah, I get viruses, yeah I have to reinstall my XP about every three months. I love defragging my drive. It makes me a man.

I read the original article, and I don't see where MDN gets their headline from. Otellini says "If you want to fix it tomorrow, maybe you should buy something else."

It's very cryptic. When read in the context of Mossberg's question, you could interpret it in several different ways.

Really, my IQ is 139: thanks for letting me know I'm not the only person who is confused about how MDN arrived at the headline for this article from that article.

Why would anybody want to switch? A Windows user can use an iPod and iTunes right on the PC. Yes they have all of the market share for music players, but that doesn't mean people are switching. I prefer the Mac platform, but I just don't see a compelling reason why anybody who's competent at Windows should switch.

Mac Nightmare, you rock. Defragging my drive makes me feel like a man too. I keep a Windows XP box at home just to run critical updates and defrag its drive from time to time.

Why switch? You said it right "...anybody who's competent at Windows " I think that's your answer.

Here's what I read into the article:

Mossberg led him into the question and Otellini's answer was that if you want close to immediate relief from Windows (in)security, go buy something other than Wintel (a Mac, assumingly).

Based on the article it looks like MDN's headline is wrong.

"Pressed about security by Mr. Mossberg, Mr. Otellini had a startling confession: He spends an hour a weekend removing spyware from his daughter's computer. And when further pressed about whether a mainstream computer user in search of immediate safety from security woes ought to buy Apple Computer Inc.'s Macintosh instead of a Wintel PC, he said, "If you want to fix it tomorrow, maybe you should buy something else."

Otellini did NOT say "buy a Macintosh instead of a Wintel PC." He just didn't say that. He said, "maybe you should buy something else."

Now, that quote could refer to "something else" besides a Wintel PC AND a Macintosh.

MDN is taking liberties with the quote. Naughty, boys.

Tera Patricks
Mac360

The part that leads me to believe they are referring to Macs in the article is this:

"And when further pressed about whether a mainstream computer user in search of immediate safety from security woes ought to buy Apple Computer Inc.'s Macintosh instead of a Wintel PC, he said..."

So yes, I, like MDN, believe he was referring to Macs.

Tera, I love your web site.

Dammit, I hate Windows. I'm upgrading my PowerBook (finally, already did my G5 on 4/29) to Tiger and am resigned to using a PC I hardly ever turn on (it's a gift from work, what can I say?).

Imeediately after turning it on, there were God-knows-how-many critical updates from the Update program.

Geez, no wonder I don't like to use this POS.

At least I'm using Firefox and T'Bird and not the native tools.

You have to read in its entire contest but I agree the article is not that well written. Otellini was asked wether mainstream PC will be safer down the line and his reply was that PCs will be safer but " think we're still a few years away." and "'If you want to fix it tomorrow, maybe you should buy something else." that is the answer triggered by Mossberg on being "in search of immediate safety from security woes".

So Otellini did not say "yeah, buy a Mac" but "Yeah, to be safer today/tomorrow you should buy something else than a PC".

But I agree the article is made so that Joe Sixpack will get the opposite message rather.

Tera, do you really expect Otellini to say "Yes, better buy a Mac instead of Windows" ?

His statement is quite a change in attitudes. Only a year later there would have been a tirade on Microsoft committed to security. Now is a shy "get something else"

Given time, people will say "get a Mac".

I dunno. What else could his answer have been referring to but a Mac? Linux? You don't "buy" Linux. What other OS could he have been referring to? Especially considering that he had just been asked if a PC user worried about security should buy Apple Computer's Macintosh. No, he did not say the A-word explicitly but it seems pretty implicit to me given the context.

i think everyone is missing a VERY important point. he did not say "our hardware is fine, just get a different operating syste (like linux for example)." he had the chance to say this and he didn't, he said get something different, which means both the hardware and the software. since he didn't explicitly say get a new operating system, you have to conclude FROM THE CONTEXT of the back and forth conversation and what was said in the immediately previous comments that he was admitting that the approach he was advocating was a long way off and the only total, immediately available solution was replacing the software OS and the hardware.
my magic word is "face"!!! as in, have anyone lost their's lately?!

Quote "Check out eWeek's recent pieces on Virtualization and the problem of PC BIOS. Sounds like Intel is going that direction. Which is good. You can run Windows Services, and Linux Services and who knows, Mac services on one computer?"

Now Virtualisation and something for the future is more likely what Apple were talking to Intel about. If Intel have some method of running more than one OS on the same chip using virtualisation, don't you think Apple would want to be involved?

Forget Tiger on current X86. Won't happen.

Tacitus

Perhaps just stating the obvious is enough: Wintel sucks. That's the truth. Cupertino would be happy with a statement like that. Yes sireee.

"You have a voicemail from...(kermit voice) Bill Gates"

"Press 1 now to hear.. (beep)"

"Hey Paul, it's Bill.. I know I know.. Macs don't get viruses.. I didn't become the wealthiest man alive by being honest you know? Look, I thought we had a pretty good thing goin... why are you talking with Steve..? Is this about the Xbox360 thing?"

The only people that read articles like this are mac heads looking for affirmation.
PC weenies go...yeah, could be, but it will cost me $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ just to switch and have something comparable to what I have now.

And games on a mac....wayyyyyyyy behind.

Put up a good firewall, use firefox and thunderbird and your virus troubles just disappear...

"Put up a good firewall, use firefox and thunderbird and your virus troubles just disappear.."

- troubles or brain cells? which is it again?

Nice name Zeldorf.....

and.....

SHUT UP DUMMY!

hehe & librium: mac fan boys that have not clue what a windows computers is...last one they owned was windows 95.

boys, I own macs and peecees. u know not what you splurg about.

"hehe & librium: mac fan boys that have not clue what a windows computers is...last one they owned was windows 95."

actually it was XP with SP 2


and these were the steps for using it

install for 2 hours
activate windows with a 400 character code.

Install the following

firewall protection,
virus scanners,
spyware scanners,
install all drivers for every peice of 3rd party hardware that you have (many will not work, check dealers website for updates

Daily tasks

restart apps constantly (not responding)
CTRL ALT DELETE (nit reponding)
defrag daily,
reboot daily. (sometimes more)
pop up city
re-install all drivers for every peice of 3rd party hardware that you have (many will not work, check dealers website for updates



the worlds most unsecure, virus infected operating system.

Now the mac

Install tiger, 20 minutes.

Reboot.

Work.

in fairness to MS, XBox beats the hell out of PS2, ESPECIALLY if you have XBox Live. Buy a Wintel box to play games....feh. Maybe for HalfLife or HalfLife2, but nothing else....

You see, this is what happens when you (Microsoft) build a gaming console (new XBox) and throw in PPC processors, instead of 'Intel Inside'.

With IBM unable to provide the production necessary, Intel will agree to produce the G6 cube-CPU design from IBM. They intend to sell it to game box companies as well as Apple. This will be a win-win for IBM and Intel. Another motivation for Intel is the wrongful accusation, guilt by association, of Microsoft's security woes. They need to move out from under the dark cloud of MS. Intel wants to be back on the leading edge of technology again.

iNewt wrote:

"To Intel's defense, blaming them for Windows security is like blaming a car for an accident caused by a drunk driver."

In the American legal system, the car maker would be 100% at fault. Sigh...

For Intel, it has to be incredibly depressing to know their chips are powering a majority of the world's spyware and viruses. Or to think that their chips are synonymous with "cheap junk PC's". Heh considering these Intel probably approached Apple!

Well, I'm way down here, so maybe no reaction to....
Here we go again. Put a button on the computer, that turns OFF the disk drive. How can you get a virus, if the disk is NOT MOVING? Well? Anyone?

in fairness to MS, XBox beats the hell out of PS2, ESPECIALLY if you have XBox Live. Buy a Wintel box to play games....feh. Maybe for HalfLife or HalfLife2, but nothing else....

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you know they're selling that at a $200 loss right?

they're losing 1.5 billion a year w the Xbox division..

"How can you get a virus, if the disk is NOT MOVING? Well? Anyone?"

Through the Internet, like usual. A RAM disk, or a big enough disk cache for the malware to live in would also work.

"Put a button on the computer, that turns OFF the disk drive."

IMO Windows is not suitable for any kind of networking, including and especially the Internet. The only way to secure a Windows PC against malware is with the power button.

It's quite enjoyable reading well done Mac comments and the ravins of a 13 year old game boy advocating Wintel. I used to sell at Circuit City, and we'd see the snot nosed kid going on about games and multi button mice... while I was tellign his Mom and Dad about no viruses, easy compatibility and excellent design. And selling Mac boxes even with System 8 instead of OS X.

If one of those snivelling WinBigots worked for me, I'd fire him for wasting company time with all the blighted malware and problematic "features" of Windows - like, WIn 95 WON'T shut down. Like Outhouse Express and Outhouse WON'T quit. Like miltiple copies of a program starting because the damn OS is too stupid to check and see if the prog is already running.

Spare me. When you get old enough to move out of mom's basement and get a job, you'll be given a Mac. And if youwhine about it, you can go crying back to mommy.