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Dvorak: ‘I personally do not like the Mac; Windows Vista’s ‘Mac-like’ qualities may spell its doom’
Wednesday, January 24, 2007 - 04:44 PM EST

"The one curious aspect of [Microsoft's Windows] Vista, which may also spell its doom and mark the end of the road for the most popular OS in the history of the world, is its newest Mac-like qualities. This phenomenon I find quite fascinating," John C. Dvorak foments for PC Magazine.

Dvorak foments, "From what I can tell, the Mac community likes Vista more than the PC community. Apparently, in its quest to emulate what Apple does on the Mac—as if it's the holy grail of computers—Microsoft has given up on what makes a PC unique. (And I don't mean the blue screen of death.) There is something about Vista that has crossed over to the right brain—the realm of the Mac."

"When it comes to the Apple-versus-PC battle, one oft-neglected discussion is that the majority of people do not like Macs. Get over it, it's true. Hence, Apple's market share is low. There is no other explanation, although price has always been the rationale. Now it looks as if there is more to it than price. I, personally, do not like the Mac—snappy response aside—of the way it feels when saving files. I know this is silly, but I've never felt comfortable with it. It was mushy in some weird way that always gave me the creeps. I always felt that if something weird happened on a Mac I would never be able to recover a file. I've never felt that way with a PC. I figured that with a PC, I could take the hard disk out and easily put it into another machine and then go exploring the drive without worry," Dvorak foments.

Dvorak foments, "This is a minor thing to people who would be fearful of removing a hard disk, and that, to me, would be a typical art director at an ad agency who used a Mac. He's buying the machine because it looks good and he/she likes the way it feels."

Dvorak foments, "And there is the much-discussed odd nature of the fringe Mac users who are cultlike and often psycho in their behavior: They see the machine as an extension of themselves and defend it from criticism with an unpleasant vehemence. They represent the worst kind of irrational right-brainers. Who needs to associate with people like that?"

Full mess, Think Before You Click™, here.

MacDailyNews Take: Questions abound:
• Which "Mac community," exactly, likes Windows Vista more than "the PC community?"
• If the Mac isn't "the holy grail of computers," what is, John? Windows XP? Some obscure Linux distro? Kaypro, you old fool?
• Perhaps the majority of people do not like Macs because they have no idea what a Mac is or what they're missing? Or because they believe garbage from the likes of Dvorak?
• Why do those who use both Mac and Windows overwhelmingly choose Macs? Get over it, it's true.
• Who would've guessed that John C. Dvorak, personally, does not like the Mac? You know, because it's "mushy in some weird way."
• You can't take a hard disk out of a Mac Pro, easily put it into another Mac Pro, and then go exploring the drive without worry? Of course you can - and easier than with any Windows PC, too.
• Why does Dvorak pretend that people buy Macs because they look good? The answer is in the video included below.
• The only one who's "psycho in their behavior" is the man technology long ago passed by: John C. Dvorak. Why else would he not want to "associate with people like that" while continuing to bait them for decades with his badly written slop?
• Does PC Magazine really need to stoop so low for hits as to employ an empty-headed blowhard who has admitted on tape (see below) to baiting Mac users in a desperate quest for hits?
• Besides just sounding old, John's really looking old. What legacy will John C. Dvorak leave besides a closetful of bad shirts, the reputation of a weasel, and reams upon reams of worthless sniping?

John Dvorak admits to baiting Mac users in desperate attempts to generate traffic for his junk:


Related articles:
Dvorak on Apple iPhone, Steve Jobs, Ballmer, Transcendental Meditation, and more - January 17, 2007
Dvorak on Apple iPhone: ‘I think Apple can do wrong and I think this is it’ - January 13, 2007
Apple sells 450,000 of Dvorak’s ‘nutty’ Nike+iPod Sport Kits in under three months - September 13, 2006
Dvorak tries damage control - June 20, 2006
Video: Dvorak admits to baiting Apple Mac users for hits - June 10, 2006
Dvorak thinks iPod+Nike Sport Kit is ‘nutty’ - May 24, 2006

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Jan 24, 07 - 08:54 pm Comment from: not fooled

Seriously, did Dvorak have a nervous breakdown or something?

This article is WAY off into the giggle weeds, even for him. Talk about psychotic behavior.

This is the classic wreathing of someone who knows they're on the wrong side of history, yet can't bring themselves out to admit it. So instead of anything meaningful we get personal insults. Poor John has massive internal conflict, and this is just the smoke rolling out.

Pay no attention to the bum. He'll either be using Mac or weaving baskets within six months.

Jan 24, 07 - 09:10 pm Comment from: Less is More

Best ignored, Dvorak has dollar bills with Ballmer's prints coming out of his ass.

Jan 24, 07 - 09:14 pm Comment from: Buster

After many idiotic articles by this moron I have to admit, he has reached a new low. So low that I think it was deliberate. Deliberate in the sense that he purposely made sure everyone and everything was insulted. A deliberate bait...not very subtle.

A new UL:TRA low..

I do not hate him. I pity him because even PC users would read this and wonder what drugs he was on. I am surprised that his editor would not even challenge him on the stupidity of the article. Indeed his editor is the one you should be made at for allow him to deliberately set a match to the spilled gas.

Sad. One wonders if his son isn't Zune Tang.

Jan 24, 07 - 09:15 pm Comment from: Mozfan

I switched another co-worker to Mac.

He just bought a 17" iMac to work with his (and his wife's) iPods.

I've gone over to the house to help him move his music and files over and he really knows absolutely nothing about the Mac.

The other day at work I asked how it was working out with the Mac and he just beamed and said, "I know next to nothing, but the little I do know is amazingly great. It's so easy and it just works. I know lot's about Windows and I can't believe I wasted so much time with it."

No one has been more wrong for more years than Dvorak.



~M

MW- Response (these must be arranged)

Jan 24, 07 - 09:21 pm Comment from: Whatever

Utter and complete nonsense. For someone that has been doing this for some 20 years it must be really embarrassing to have nothing to say and spill out non sequiturs like he does...
He feels something about the Macintosh?
And we, mac users, are the right brained people attached to our machines?
What kind of idiot is this?
What kind of idiot is his boss?
Who could give a fsck about such nonsense?
Oh that Dvorak, what a useless moron...
He got one thing right though: Mac OS X IS the holy grail of operating systems.

Jan 24, 07 - 09:21 pm Comment from: Jeff

I don't fall for Enderle's trolls and I don't fall for Dvorak's.

I can't even listen to TWIT anymore because of that bitter old dork. I can't imagine what Leo sees in him.

Jan 24, 07 - 09:49 pm Comment from: trollin'

"When it comes to the Apple-versus-PC battle, one oft-neglected discussion is that the majority of people do not like Macs. Get over it, it's true. Hence, Apple's market share is low. There is no other explanation, although price has always been the rationale.

Man, when Dvorak reaches then end of his life, will he look back and see that his life was full, rich, that he has helped people, and has always (often) chosen the higher path? Will he be able to look back in pride?

But I spose that applies to any FUD generator...

mw: attack

Jan 24, 07 - 09:54 pm Comment from: MJK

Oh, brother. Dork's at it again!

First, how does this AH figure that "Most people don't like the Mac?" Most people have never seen, touched, or tried to use a Mac. Macs are almost always absent from the bulk of places that PCs are sold; so, unless THE WORLD has been trafficking to Apple's stores, this statement is just a bunch of bunk.

As for Vista, I downloaded that bloated OS and installed it onto a very fast Toshiba Multimedia PC. While it is speedier than XP, it is no speed demon. AND, the UI is NOT Mac OS; it's NOT XP either. In fact it is just schizophrenic and, as a seasoned Windows user (as well as Mac OS), I can't figure out how to do most of the tasks that I had no problems doing with XP.

As for trusting files stored on Mac disks vs. Windows disks, PULLLLLLEEEEEEEEZZZZZZZZEEEEE. Windows trashes files and disks all the time, and I've suffered from this with Windows many times. I've never lost a file on the Mac except for the one time that I made a stupid mistake with a 3rd party RAID product.

But then we all know that Dvork's style is to infuriate the Mac community to drive traffic to his web site to put more $$$$ in his pocket. So the article doesn't surprise me.

Jan 24, 07 - 10:00 pm Comment from: maczealot

Dvorak, proof positive that the theory of evolution cannot satisfactorily explain how a mutant aberration can think such nonsense yet survive essentially autonomously.

Jan 24, 07 - 10:00 pm Comment from: Foment?

When was the last time someone used the word "foment" in every paragraph of a story? Poor writing? MDN, heal thyself.

Jan 24, 07 - 10:03 pm Comment from: Cubert

Correction! Questions used to abound. Dvorak is an uptight @$$hole who has no common sense, or if he does hides it very well. He is flame bait pure and simple.

Jan 24, 07 - 10:08 pm Comment from: anti-creative cretin

Oh, God. Stand back, I'm about to analyze. Here's it comes.
Oh, my God..here it comes...............drivel...........Oh, God, I'm driveling.

Somewhere among the hundreds of tiny bits of crackers and cheese strewn over my bare chest and belly there is meaning...drivel.

I spread information over the internet like suspect mustard over the white bottom of my watermelon....drivel.

Oh, readers, learn from......drivel....my analysis....drivel.....spew..
I am ....the great.. and wonderful...Dvorak.......drivel....more spew...

Jan 24, 07 - 11:24 pm Comment from: DaddyMac

This guy should love Apple since most of his publicity comes from Apple bashing. If it wasn't for Apple he'd be a nobody.

Come to think of it he is a nobody. He is NOT Dr. August Dvorak, inventor of the Dvorak keyboard, his name is John and he's a big fat smelly egg-head.

Jan 24, 07 - 11:32 pm Comment from: newton

what a strange neurotic bird he is....why on earth is he paid for such sophomoric drivel...high school-level writing?

Jan 25, 07 - 12:02 am Comment from: CaMeL tOad

Doom, doom, and thrice be doomed. What is it with this dude and the frickin' doom? Apple's doomed, the iPod is doomed, the iPhone is doomed, Steve Jobs is doomed, and now even Vista is 'doomed'! For cripes sakes dude, give it a rest already, or a least put down the crack pipe and try cracking open a thesaurus every now and then. LOL

Jan 25, 07 - 12:44 am Comment from: Shaun

John C. Dvorak. Retard.

Jan 25, 07 - 12:49 am Comment from: Yours Smugly

Dvorak has never been this blatant in his trolling before. Won't give him my clicks.

Jan 25, 07 - 01:01 am Comment from: neomonkey

Geo, there's a reason why Apple doesn't pursue the gamer market. Most games are violent and amoral, like going hunting with Dick Cheney. Apple doesn't feel comfortable with games whose purpose is to kill as many people as possible. Microsoft has no problem with that apparently. Only in America is violence and mayhem okay, but love is forbidden. I'm with Apple's position, but of course game software companies can and do write whatever they want.

Jan 25, 07 - 01:27 am Comment from: ken1w

What is Dvorak talking about? It makes no sense. Is he actually saying that if Windows Vista fails, it is because it is too Mac-like?

> Microsoft has given up on what makes a PC unique.

I don't think Microsoft has "given up" on Windows being a malware magnet. That "feature" is prominent in Windows Vista.

It's obvious Dvorak's left and right brains have run out of things to write about.

Jan 25, 07 - 01:46 am Comment from: Andrew

Dvorak, I think this lake is fish'd out now. You're goin' to either need to find new bait, or a new lake; cause this fish ain't biten'.

Jan 25, 07 - 01:55 am Comment from: Zune Tang

He's right and you know it. Suck it Apple lemmings.

Your potential. Our passion.

Jan 25, 07 - 02:07 am Comment from: toolazytotell

They see the machine as an extension of themselves and defend it from criticism with an unpleasant vehemence.

I wonder what John drives, where he lives, what he drinks, etc ?
These are all "extensions of ourselves" and defending anythone's preferences would seem silly to him.

Don't take the bait. leave the troll alone.

Jan 25, 07 - 02:19 am Comment from: Jedi Master

What legacy will MDN leave besides delusions of grandeur, pseudo-journalistic garbage, and fanboy pandering?





A small dose of reality for you... you're only embarrassing yourselves. Maybe one day you'll get your heads out of your collective apple ass and start over. But let's not rush things...

Jan 25, 07 - 02:33 am Comment from: petervrdk

the fun part is, that this man Dork-rack only uses his PC as a simple typewriter... and has never ever pushed his PC to the limits... wasting gazillions of cycles each and every second... contributing to global warming with all his hot air.

a DOS-PC or a commodore 64 with som extra cassette-tapes and a black and white monitor is more than sufficient for his work as an drivel-writer! he doesn't even need the internet; he never researches anything anyhow... and the only mail he gets are from the mac-zealots that can't stand the urge to comment his drivel!

this man is talking about harddrives that need to be rescued... but how much is there actually to rescue? the amount of text this guy has written throughout his entire career will fit on a few floppy-discs! and none of these words are worth rescuing anyway...

he needs to get real and get a life - find a real job and STFU. looser.

Jan 25, 07 - 02:50 am Comment from: Jeff

MDN ask:
Which "Mac community," exactly, likes Windows Vista more than "the PC community?"

ANSWER:
Andy Inatko, and Kevin Rose (Digg.com) mentioned in a recent TWIT podcast that they kind of liked the way Vista felt.

Jan 25, 07 - 04:06 am Comment from: Snafu

Well, when my Mac crashes (oh, yes, it does) it corrupts my Safari prefs file one of every six or seven times, the same goes with HD corruption that Disk Utility won't solve but that user-friendly fsck -fy catches, etc. HFS+ is not the most robust FS out there, exactly (looking forward to ZFS).

And the Document folder is useless, as it is used as a pseudo-Preferences one by most apps.

Jan 25, 07 - 05:25 am Comment from: meatofmoose

Dvorack slams Vista because Microsoft struggles to imitate OS X. John, Ballmer's looking for a few good men to lead Microsoft into the 21st century. So, get a real job and put whatever talents you have to work.

Jan 25, 07 - 06:33 am Comment from: webbyswim

Well, I hate to say this, but D-Bag has a point with his drivel. There is a sound reason why he does not like the way the Mac feels. First, let's look at his age. Dvorak obviously was exposed to the computer in his prime when we still used punch-cards for programming. I also remember cutting my teeth on fortan and cobal (and pascal, basic, and finally objective c). So in this respect, the workflows he grew up using no longer apply in the Mac world and is outside his comfort zone.

Fortunately, the key element of the human psyche is adaptability and it appears that Dvorak does not have the ability to adapt. With that, he is unable to see when a new process or workflow is more efficient and naturally more intuitive, and blindly continues in his comfort zone. Windows, in its initial attempt was smart to maintain those old programming workflows for the segment of computer users (all crappy attempts to copy the Mac experience aside). Besides price difference, it was the workflow continuity that allowed Windows to be so successful.

But that was 20 years ago, this is today, and obviously Dvorak does not get it. We have a new generation of computer users and Apple is tapping into that. MS painted themselves into a corner and can't get out. But Dvorak cannot see it, so he rants, he whines, he baits, but looking at his history, he has been wrong on every one of his Apple prognostications.

Let him go and let's move on.

Jan 25, 07 - 06:56 am Comment from: ....eh?

Does Dvorak use a mouse?

Jan 25, 07 - 07:11 am Comment from: gheem

huh, target disk, booting from usb or firewire without taking the machine apart, OR just cloning a drive if you DO want to take a mac apart.

John C is just a right brained nut, nothing of interest here, move along....

zunetang, go someplace where peeople care about what your emotional and uniformed drivel.

Jan 25, 07 - 08:15 am Comment from: effwerd

the most popular OS in the history of the world,

What a useless distinction. That's like saying ISLAND EMPIRE is the greatest DV feature film in the history of the universe. Good for trolling though.

Jan 25, 07 - 08:31 am Comment from: dneuland

God almighty, could this guy be any more of a tool? No, scratch that, Dvorak is a fsck-ing tool SHED.

Jan 25, 07 - 08:44 am Comment from: Georgy Porgy

After reading this, I guarantee you that Dvoragel drives an old El Camino. If the same principle applies to his computer, it has to apply to his car.
I watched my dad for years repair all his land cruise vessels, and he never did it for fun. In he long-term, just like a PC investment, he poured money in the trash to have trash. After driving a few junkers myself, my wife and I bought two brand new Hondas with a few bells, and now, looking back, we feel better, we look better, and it is more luxurious and easy to do everyday tasks and I have had absolutely no hassles or worries. The same principle applies to a Mac purchase.

Jan 25, 07 - 08:52 am Comment from: effwerd

This article is insulting. I'm not insulted by the fact that he doesn't like the Mac, I'm insulted that he can't form a cogent argument and yet gets published.

A has low market share therefore people do not like A? That doesn't stand up to any logical scrutiny at all. He doesn't like how saving files "feels" on a Mac as opposed to a PC? WTF? Complaining that Mac users see the machine as an extension of themselves, then asking why one would want to associate with such a community? When the only way one might "feel" that buying a Mac would associate one with other Mac zealots is if one saw the computer as an extension of one's self.

And right/left brain arguments are the stuff of pop-psych naifs.

Jan 25, 07 - 09:03 am Comment from: Masa

This guy needs some heavy medication or needs to get his fat ass up and go in to the real world instead of sitting on a computer all day.

The PCMag pays for that guy???

Irrational and psycho? Sounds like he is talking about himself.

Jan 25, 07 - 09:17 am Comment from: AP

What I find so amazing in this is the fact every computer in the world now uses a GUI (well not every), which was popularized by the Macintosh. I don't care about the old Windows V. Mac arguments because its a dead issue. Whether or not people want to admit it, they are using a Macintosh. Be it the warmed over copy of the classic Mac OS that was Windows up to XP or the Aqua-style of Vista.
But Dvorak, who I believe is some sort of columnist about computers and probably knows more about its history than I, should just accept the fact that while he is still stuck in the glory days of the Windows hegemony with the "easily" switched out parts of the commodity IBM clones and the wonders of the command line of C:\ clearly does not see that the Personal Computer is moving into a new stage in its development. Apple sees it, that's why they are moving away from relying on their Computer division. I don't think Microsoft really sees it. Sure the XBOX 360 is moving them away, but it does not make them any money. Whereas, the iPod and soon the iPhone will move Apple into being a company with $20 Billion in annual revenues.

Jan 25, 07 - 09:24 am Comment from: jeffgtr

Can we just ignore Dvorak from now on. I can't even believe I'm expending the energy to type this.

Jan 25, 07 - 09:26 am Comment from: lame

What's up with the multiple pages for each thread? Is this MDN's way of doubling and tripling it's ad revenue at the invconvenience of its visitors? At least give us the option of jumping to the last page directly from the main page.

Jan 25, 07 - 09:36 am Comment from: buzzy

He is a dope baiter and you look dopey for responding to him.

Jan 25, 07 - 09:53 am Comment from: Unsquirted

"I personally do not like the Mac."

I do not like them with my crack.
I do not like them; I'm a hack.
I do not like them in a box(en).
I do not like them with a fox(en).
I do not like them in my house.
I do not like them; what's a mouse?
I do not like them here or there.
I do not like my underwear.
I do not like clean UIs and RAM.
I do not like them, Troll-I-am.

Jan 25, 07 - 10:50 am Comment from: TL5

Hmmm.....let's see, bad mouth the holy grail of computers and maybe I'll get some air time.....that's it!!!!

This guy needs to go away.

Jan 25, 07 - 10:55 am Comment from: jackspratt

OS2/Warp FTW!!!!!!

Jan 25, 07 - 11:09 am Comment from: NCIceman

As usual, Dvorak is off the mark, going for attention-grabbing sensationalizm rather than journalism.

I've never known anyone that liked the pc more than the mac. The only issue of preference always came up around software: either their games, apps, or dev tools that they use only runs on the pc.

This is the next area Apple needs to step up in. The new XCode is supposed to be a vast improvement over the previous version. Boot Camp and Parallels make the software availability issue redundant. But we do need to see more variety in development tools (why the near-religious adherence to Objective C?) or cross platform development tools in order to grow the software for the Mac and thus market share.

Jan 25, 07 - 11:34 am Comment from: Newmanstein

After reading this, I guarantee you that Dvorsmack drives an old El Camino. If the same principle applies to his computer, it has to apply to his car.
I watched my dad for years repair all his land cruise vessels, and he never did it for fun. In he long-term, just like a PC investment, he poured money in the trash to have trash. After driving a few junkers myself, my wife and I bought two brand new Hondas with a few bells, and now, looking back, we feel better, we look better, and it is more luxurious and easy to do everyday tasks and I have had absolutely no hassles or worries. The same principle applies to a Mac purchase.

Jan 25, 07 - 12:02 pm Comment from: yet another steve via iPodDailyNews

I didn't click over because I've learned that Dvorak is a bozo--even if I agree with his headline, his actual details are ludicrous.

But I sort of agree with the headline. I use both platforms, and I DO NOT want my Windows to be a mac. I want my Windows to be serious and purposeful. I want it businesslike--when means, above all else, FASTER. Instead, MS copies the mac superficially, without any understanding of the purpose behind it.

More than anything, the "serious business" platform shouldn't be so bloated. MS is so busy copying everyone (not just the mac but also the whole .net thing to take on java)

That said, I remember Dvoraks headline on "this is why Zune will fail"... I clicked over and it was all about the MEDIA kit. Honestly, only a self-absorbed reporter would obsess on the media kit as the last word on a product.

Did I mention: bozo? (If that term is too out of date, let's bring it back for this guy!)

Jan 25, 07 - 12:52 pm Comment from: TheConfuzed1

I once had the motherboard burn out on a G4 tower. Yes, it's true, Macs are just as prone to electronic malfunction as other electronic items. No, they are not protected by magic.

I got my new tower, removed the internal drive from the old one, inserted it into the second drive of the new Mac, and there were my files. In addition to a second hard drive, I was also able to take the graphics card from the old one, and place it into the new one, for instant dual-monitor capabilities.

There was no trouble in accomplishing any of this. I had no drivers to load, and no problem whatsoever.

MW: Result, as in, what you get with a Mac. smile

Jan 25, 07 - 01:20 pm Comment from: Big Al

Since this is the only ethical way I can write to Dvorak and not give him hits, here goes.

John.

Just one question.

Since you said, about the new Mac in 1984, that no one would ever want to use a mouse, have you changed your mind?

One wonders how you would navigate XP or XP SP3 without one but inquiring minds would like to know if you do use one now.

Jan 25, 07 - 02:52 pm Comment from: Ryan

Without giving him a hit, let me see if I can follow the logic here:

1. Since the Mac has a "low" market share (whatever "low" means), this means most people do not like the Mac. (Unsubstantiated conclusion. It could be due to most people not understanding the Mac, not being aware of the Mac, being forced to use Windows by circumstances, etc.)

2. He does not like the Mac because the user experience is too "right brained" or "mushy", presumably in the sense that the technical underpinnings are not as apparent (Fair enough as a personal preference, but as far as this might be a useful generalization all we need here are his own words: "this is silly")

3. Because the Mac is too "mushy" for him, that is the reason that everyone else also dislikes the Mac. (Unsubstantiated generalization from 1 instance to all. There could be many reasons for disliking the Mac, such as "It doesn't run my game I like to play")

4. Because Windows Vista has some user experience similarities to the Mac, people will dislike it for the same reason they dislike the Mac. (Assertion that two things are basically alike without much evidence)

Wow. Well, might as well sell that Microsoft stock now...

Jan 25, 07 - 03:50 pm Comment from: Switcher '05

this guy is an idiot. give him zero attention and hopefully he'll lose his job.

Jan 25, 07 - 07:39 pm Comment from: Ben Dover

PC Magazine - Suitable for lining bird cages & wrapping fish...

Anyone who would publish this jack-arse has less than ZERO credibility...

Jan 26, 07 - 11:23 am Comment from: Francois de Villiers

> Comment: From: macro Jan 24, 07 - 04:52 pm
> Someone please punch this jackass in the mouth.

> Comment: From: Macaday Jan 24, 07 - 05:16 pm
> Someone put this moron out of his misery...please.

> Comment: From: Robert Ergole Jan 24, 07 - 05:20 pm
> Wonder if he also uses Viagra for underage sex tours in the Dominican Republic.

> Comment: From: someone please! Jan 24, 07 - 05:20 pm
> spam this half witt's inbox and sign him up to every pron junk mailing list know to mankind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.... any hackers out there? show this twit why his dull box is so unsqushable...

All this on the first page alone. Threats of physical violence; insinuation of sexual misconduct; incitement to damage a person's computer.

Mr Dvorak expressed criticism of a computer platform. He did not attack any individual in personal terms.

The reactions above, and some others besides, are neither mature nor proportionate.

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