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Dvorak blames obsessive compulsive disorder, not Microsoft for virus problems
Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 01:37 PM EST

"An estimated 3.3 million Americans alone have obsessive compulsive disorder, or OCD, and more attention is being paid to the problem than ever before. At least two hit TV shows have main characters who exhibit the problem (Monk and Law & Order: Criminal Intent). The latest iterations of e-mail–based viruses exploit people in the office who have OCD and that's why there is no way that client-based initiatives to stop virus spreading can ever work. Ever. In fact, the virus problem will just get worse," John C. Dvorak writes for PC Magazine.

"No amount of public education will end the virus threat, with millions of compulsive people out there getting messages that say things like 'Open the important attachment!' Apparently you don't need anything more than that simple demand to propagate a virus. You don't need spoofing, or tricks, or passwords or anything else. All you need is an attached virus or Trojan horse program and a note that says, 'Open me!' Millions of poor souls with OCD will open it,' Dvorak spews.

"It's ridiculous. What do you think can be done to end this cycle? I think that until the end user is taken out of the loop, we're stuck," Dvorak concludes.

Full article here.

MacDailyNews Take: Sorry to ask the obvious question, but since John neglected to address the rather large Panther in the room - why not just give the end users Macintosh computers running Mac OS X and be done with it, John? Oh yeah, then you'd have to write about people accomplishing positive things, increasing productivity, and having fun computing, instead of making up things to whine about. It's everybody's fault except Microsoft, the maker of the Windows family of operating systems that allow the problems, right?

This is posted from a Mac OS X machine where, for a test, we just clicked 10 email attachments (already automatically and conveniently placed in Junk by Mac OS X Mail) that scream "Important document - OPEN NOW!" and absolutely nothing at all happened to the Mac. Problem solved, cycle ended, all with the end user still firmly in the loop.

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Apr 28, 04 - 01:53 pm Comment from: Seahawk

Hey MDN, lol, this is also one of the things I show my switchers: opening email attachments with Windows viruses and watching them sweat. It is required in that most do not believe the virus could not ruin the Mac has it happens on the PC.

One commented: "I though it was just BS from Mac zealots"

Apr 28, 04 - 01:54 pm Comment from: Joe McConnel

LOL rather convoluted, Dvorak

Apr 28, 04 - 01:55 pm Comment from: James

I am so sick of Microsoft apologists and so happy to have a site like MDN to bitch slap them with reality! Dvorak has been quiet lately, but he makes Thurrott / Enderle look like Jobs / Wozniak when opens his fat mouth about Microsoft and Apple. Have another doughnut, John.

Apr 28, 04 - 02:00 pm Comment from: al sharpton

Al Sharpton is visiting a primary school and he visits one of the classes.  They are in the middle of a discussion related to words and their meanings. The teacher asks the Rev. Sharpton if he would like to lead the discussion of the word "tragedy."

So the illustrious leader asks the class for an example of a "tragedy."

One little boy stands up and offers: "If my best friend, who lives on a  farm, is  playing in the field and a runaway tractor comes along and knocks him dead, that would be a tragedy." "No," says the Great Al Sharpton," that would be an accident."

A little girl raises her hand: "If a school bus carrying 50 children drove over a cliff, killing everyone inside, that would be a tragedy." "I'm afraid not," explains the exalted spiritual leader. "That's what we would call a great loss."

The room goes silent. No other children volunteer. Rev. Sharpton searches the room. "Isn't there someone here who can give me an example of a tragedy?"

Finally at the back of the room a small boy raises his hand. In a quiet voice he says: "If a plane carrying the Rev. Sharpton were struck by a missile and blown to smithereens that would be a tragedy."

"Fantastic!" exclaims Sharpton, "That's right. And can you tell me why that would be tragedy?" "Well," says the boy, "because it sure as hell wouldn't be a great loss and it probably wouldn't be an accident either."

Apr 28, 04 - 02:03 pm Comment from: ABQ Peter

MS Windows doesn't cause viruses; people cause viruses.
John Dvorak - the original Thurrott.

Apr 28, 04 - 02:07 pm Comment from: cpr86

My buddy just switched today. He bought a ibook. He was tired of viruses, crashes, freezed and dealing with Micro$oft.

Apr 28, 04 - 02:14 pm Comment from: Don

So let me get this straight.

According to Dvorak, if I put a box with $10,000 in it out in the middle of the street with a sign on it that says, "take me," the problem is not that I was stupid enough to put the money in a cheap box in an obvious place, but with the people who saw the sign and simply followed it.

Whatever...

Apr 28, 04 - 02:30 pm Comment from: Reality Check

There are no viruses on Macintoshes because nobody cares about the platform other than Macfags. With the same work somebody can reach 95% instead of 2%. Logical.

Apr 28, 04 - 02:33 pm Comment from: Reality Check

"we just clicked 10 email attachments ... and absolutely nothing at all happened"

You retard, what did you expect? Macintoshes use different binary format for executables. That's the big security feature? Macmoron.

Apr 28, 04 - 02:41 pm Comment from: Cobra

Ah, Reality Check. It's the little bitch troll from The Mac Observer now coming over here to post. Branching out aren't we jackass? You'll get blasted in this forum 10 times worse than you ever have over there. Your feeble opinions won't get you nearly as far on this site. And I see you still don't have a job yet either huh? Well, since you have lots of free time with nothing to do other than troll, welcome aboard bitch.

Apr 28, 04 - 02:45 pm Comment from: Fred Mertz

Reality Check,

You really should hightail it back over to TMO. MDN is the big leagues and you will be burnt to a crisp here faster than you can check on reality. We don't play around and there are a lot more intelligent people posting here. Go back to where you came from, things will be easier for you.

You've been warned. Consider this message your own private reality check.

Apr 28, 04 - 02:46 pm Comment from: MacMan

Reality Check:
wow. suprise, name calling from another fear of the unknown M$ apologist. Have you ever even used a Mac, or seen any of the security measures available in OS X. My guess is no.

cpr86:
I have switched over half a dozen in the last 6 months, and come this school year, I will be switching another half dozen college students.

Very good news.

Apr 28, 04 - 02:48 pm Comment from: Joe McConnel

This is a tough crowd Reality Check. I have read your posts over at the Mac Observer and I don't think you have the brains or vocabulary to stick here, but we shall see.

Apr 28, 04 - 02:54 pm Comment from: Michael

Reality Check wrote, "Macintoshes use different binary format for executables."

Gee, thanks for the news flash, genius. That was sarcasm, as was MDN's take, in part. Now eat shit, then steer your consumer-grade, commodity Windows PC over to your Mecca, CNET, and read this repeatedly until you understand it:

Those who surf the Web using a Mac tend to be better educated and make more money than their PC-using counterparts, according to a report from Nielsen/NetRatings.

Apr 28, 04 - 02:57 pm Comment from: Jimbo

Unfortunately, Mr. Dvorak represents the attitude of many IT managers. "Don't blame Microsoft - it isn't their fault". As a consequence, they get what they ask for - absolutely nothing. If a few would show the balls to dump the monoculture and add a few Linux and Mac boxes and take action on Microsoft's non-delivery, then perhaps they could get somewhere.

Then there's Reality Check; head firmly planted in the sand (or is that up the sand - maybe it's not even sand). When faced with reality, it's deny, deny, blame and pass the buck. He'll be rolling out the market share myth shortly - amazing how a single platform gets 99.99% of the viruses.

Apr 28, 04 - 02:58 pm Comment from: Seahawk

Joe: I think Reality Check is way below our radar. He is so stupid another PC user like you is enough to deal with him. Concerning some of your ancient questions about why Mac users are sometimes harsh with PC users, there, Reality Check is your answer.

After all, viruses on Windows need an idiot in front of the keyboard, without turds like Reality Check Microsoft would have less security shambles in the news.

Get along with it Joe: RC is the prototype of PC user. Don't you hate to share your platform with dense idiots?

I guess you have now the best reason for switching!

Apr 28, 04 - 03:01 pm Comment from: JadisOne

Thanks for putting Reality Check in check.

Apr 28, 04 - 03:01 pm Comment from: Fred Mertz

Follow the light, Joe McConnel, you know you want to - or we know it, at least. Come on, contented computing awaits you:

http://www.apple.com/

Apr 28, 04 - 03:03 pm Comment from: GruvDOne

Well, despite how big a tool Reality Check is, it is true that there is simply not any virus authoring on the Mac platform (yet). Partly due to the smaller market share, but do as much to the fact that many in the hacking community prefer UNIX, and would never shit in thier own backyards.

My question is.... if you are a PeeCee advocate, then why in the blue flaming hell do you even go to Mac sites at all. I don't go to PeeCee sites because I am not interested in that platform, and subsequently am not interested in the thoughts or philosophies of those who use it. It seems to me that you have a rather unhealthy need for attention, and/or some serious self-esteem issues.

Might I suggest taking up a hobby (other than picking pointless fights), get a pet, a signifigantother, or maybe even a job. Better yet, try using your computer for something positive and creative.... oh wait... I forgot... you're on a PeeCee, so scratch the last suggestion.

Apr 28, 04 - 03:07 pm Comment from: Anon

GruvDOne,

You are wrong. Mac OS X is simpy more secure. So-called obscurity (if you can call the 10 million+ Mac OS X users "obscure") has nothing to do with it:

New York Times: Mac OS X 'much more secure than Windows XP'

Apr 28, 04 - 03:13 pm Comment from: Joe McConnel

Fred, show me a headless mac, g4 1.5 ghz, 512 ram, preferably in a shuttlelike (small cube) platform, for $800 and I will buy one. The market is screaming for one. Until that time I will not become one of Steve's punks.

For that hardware, I would even stoop so low as to "share platform" with RV.

Apr 28, 04 - 03:14 pm Comment from: Joe McConnel

That's right, I said g4. I am a reasonable fellow.

Apr 28, 04 - 03:16 pm Comment from: Duhhhhh......

Hey Reality Check, if you are going to post here at least show some intelligence. Maybe you could have your mommy type your posts for you? Hopefully at least she is smart enough to make sure she knows what she is talking about before posting.

Apr 28, 04 - 03:21 pm Comment from: Fred Mertz

Joe,

If you want to become a Mac user, you have got to stop being a cheap bastard wink. Asking for something you know is not available is a defense mechanism. Pull the trigger, buddy:

Power Mac G4 1.25GHz/256MB/80GB/Combo/GigE/56K - Refurbished
$1,099.00

Hope this link works, but you can go to http://store.apple.com/ and click "Special Deals," if it doesn't:
Power Mac G4 link

Apple refurbished is like buying new. I have done it. You should do this.

Apr 28, 04 - 03:24 pm Comment from: Joe McConnel

egad, I just realised with the nitpickers around here I had better be exact.

80 gig 7200 rpm drive
combodrive (not superdrive)
graphic about equal to ati 9600 xt
all that groovy software

Apr 28, 04 - 03:25 pm Comment from: Joe McConnel

we are close Fred, but I didn't get a to be a penny pinching semi rich bastard by buying the first offer. Steve can do it. HE ought to.

Apr 28, 04 - 03:30 pm Comment from: Fred Mertz

At the risk of sounding like Phil Knight, just do it, Joe.

Apr 28, 04 - 03:35 pm Comment from: Peter

Joe, if you get a Mac as the result of a MDN Dvorak article forum exchange, you will be blessed many times over. It is very good luck as it casts a wave of negative Karma over Dvorak, which will bode extremely well for you.

Apr 28, 04 - 03:36 pm Comment from: Dave H

I find it quite amazing that everyone here seems to know who this Reality Check fellow is, yet everyone is still responding to him. If he's a troll, surely that is exactly what he wants. Ignore him. He'll go away.

BTW, everyone. Cut it with the superiority nonsense. Ever heard the phrase "Arrogance comes before a fall"?

Apr 28, 04 - 03:50 pm Comment from: CitizenX

Opening the email attachments should be Apples next commercial.

Couple in a den, wife on Mac, hubby on peecee.
Hubby curses in the background... crosses to wife grumbling about viruses,
Wife says, oh this virus, and opens the attachment. show him how few lines of code it takes to break windows.

of course this could be dressed up, but it would be a good intro to Panther for the rest of them. something they can understand about computers.

Apr 28, 04 - 03:55 pm Comment from: CitizenX

Since he is talking about what ISPs could do to ease the burden, I wouldn't get my panties in a bunch about his avoidance of the platform issue.

I have no idea why all ISPs don't block those emails. Cox here in San Diego has, or at least I assume those are the emails being blocked so I would have to give Dvorak a high five for naming one of the elephants in the room.

Apr 28, 04 - 03:55 pm Comment from: chanM

Dave H is quite right. But it's more fun to bash the guy as long as he stays.

Apr 28, 04 - 04:21 pm Comment from: GruvDOne

Hey Anon,

Don't get me wrong... I know that OSX is fundamentally far more secure and stable than anything MicroSOFT has ever released. I am however attempting to point out that it is far from impossible to make an OSX virus. So far, we have been lucky.... partly out of the Mac's small (yes small, when compared to the several hundred million mindless zombies being spoonfed by Bill Gates) user base, and partly out of proffessional courtesy.

Apr 28, 04 - 04:28 pm Comment from: Polite Guy

Dear James:
Please, I ask nicely, refrain from nastiness in your posts. I really do want to know your ideas and opinions. I thought it proper to comment "I am so sick of Microsoft apologists and so happy to have a site like MDN to slap them with reality!", but you went further in your post and added a completely unnecessary and demeaning word. Think on what you've done, and consider being straightforward without being sexist and violently demeaning. Thank you. (I really almost didn't post this, just calling attention to the comment, but perhaps I will reach you.)

Apr 28, 04 - 04:36 pm Comment from: artiom

hey people come down, the comon fat is pc users (sados) use pcs bacasu A) the cant afford a mac B) they cant afford a mac c) they toooooo upsest with some geeky games d) they cant fford a mac e) people that use pc and hate macs are just geeks and dont have a life beside the ugly grey box next to them

Apr 28, 04 - 04:38 pm Comment from: artiom

most of people that are in my college (6th form) are like that the excuse is A)i am a GEEK B) you cant upgrade them C) no games D)NO SOCIAL LIVE AT ALL

Apr 28, 04 - 04:44 pm Comment from: Hey everyone...

Where did that little bitch Reality Check go?

I know...I know...his PeeCee must have crashed.

Sucker....

wink

Apr 28, 04 - 04:44 pm Comment from: sanguish

As someone who suffers from Obsessive Compulsive Disorder I find Dvorak's bullshit reasoning offensive.

People aren't opening this because of OCD, they're opening it because they're being duped into thinking that it mightbe important.

What an ass.

Apr 28, 04 - 04:48 pm Comment from: G5Man

Is that a real article? It seems so goddam absurd to me I am having trouble digesting it????!!!!

He isn't serious is he? Someone...help me here....I haven't been around that long on this site....so I am not sure who Dvorak even is.....but I just can't get passed the fact that this article is absolute drivel.

Can someone please tell me he is joking?!

Apr 28, 04 - 04:53 pm Comment from: Reality Check

I can't help it. I'm a loser and trolling is my life.

Apr 28, 04 - 04:57 pm Comment from: G5Man

Sanguish,

This guy doesn't have the first clue about what he is talking about. If he did he would know that OCD does not necessarily affect every aspect of your life. I find it very, very offensive too. Someone should contact one of the American Medical bodies to come down on this guy. It's just not right to pin something on a group of 3 million people that is absolutely baseless, incorrect and ridiculous.

I am offended by this notion. I find it to be slanderous and verging on defamation. If anyone knows a body that we could forward this article to, please post it and I will do that. This guy needs to be educated about the effect his articles have on people.

He needs to write a retraction on behalf of people like sanguish.

Anyone agree?

Apr 28, 04 - 04:57 pm Comment from: chris

i wouldn't buy a mac just because if i wanted to talk to a pc user about it i'd get bashed, and if i wanted to talk to a mac user about it i'd shoot myself in the head. YOU'RE ALL ASSHOLES. it's like some mad scientest cloned hitler a million times and bashed each one of them in the head with a pc when they were young.

Apr 28, 04 - 05:00 pm Comment from: For...Chris

Chris...well that's the diff buddy.....you wouldn't need to ask anyone questions about your mac......because it WOULD WORK THE FIRST TIME!!!!

Apr 28, 04 - 05:03 pm Comment from: Patrick Offord

Dvorak is a Mac fan though, I do not see how he is defending Windows at all, he is just pointing out in a round about way that most people are complete idiots. Dvorak is an Avid Mac fan, uses Mac, Praises Mac, and hates bullshit, thats why he so loves to point out bullshit when he sees it smile

Apr 28, 04 - 05:09 pm Comment from: G5Man

Patrick,

Agreed....however what I dislike about his reporting is that he squarley attributes virus propogation to one group of people, with absolutley no facts to back it up. I know this is not an OCD forum, however this is the kind of reporting that is so rampant in the PC wolrd that someone needs to say something about it.

The easy way to answer the question would be to recommend OSX to everyone smile

Later.....

Apr 28, 04 - 05:12 pm Comment from: Peter

Just to get on topic for a moment, this reminded me of something that happened a couple of days ago.

I got home after work and went to read my e-mail. I had three messages from people I didn't know. The subject read "Osama bin Laden captured!". I opened the e-mail and it suggested going to some random site where they had pictures and video.

I was tempted to click on the link, but I figured I'd check in with CNN first--if it had happened, they'd have it on the front page. Nope. No sign. Checked Google News, nope. Now I was REALLY tempted to click on the link. I fired up a terminal session and downloaded the page through curl and it was all obfuscated JavaScript. I didn't feel like figuring out what it was trying to do, so I went in and erased the messages and went on with life.

But I was tempted. Dvorak is right that no matter how "secure" the system is, it's the person behind the keyboard who is ultimately responsible. If I sent an e-mail to a bunch of Mac users saying "Here's a cool new screen saver!" and enclosed an Installer package, most people would blissfully enter their administrator passwords without even thinking twice.

Apr 28, 04 - 05:12 pm Comment from: Patrick Offord

G5Man, I agree, I have been on a Mac now for 2 months and so far I have switched my wife, my best friend, and 2 more are going to follow. Once they see it in action and try it they do not want to go back to Windows.

Apr 28, 04 - 05:27 pm Comment from: G5Man

Peter...

I sort of agree with you...but blaming the person behind the keyboard will only go so far. I actually work in the defence industry in IT security. One of the things we do occasionally for testing purposes it to email around harmless trojans. One of the typical files we email is an excel sheet entitled Pay Raise.xls. In the past we have had over 90% hit rate on our own employees opening that file.

Education sometimes works....but who wouldn't open an excel sheet called pay raise.xls?

The solution is easy.......do what OSX did and institute authentication for installer packages.

If a user got an authentication dialog when clicking an attachment, there is a very good chance they would abort. However relying on the human factor alone is a recipe for disaster....

Apr 28, 04 - 05:47 pm Comment from: Road Warrior

May seem funny but Dvorak does have a point, although I think that he has the wrong disorder. Social conditioning is a very powerful "lemming like tool". Ask yourself this question. Of the % of people you know, how many would continue a conversation with you once a phone rang?

I daresay that an impressive % from my perspective would answer the phone and give them priority to someone face to face.


Apr 28, 04 - 06:14 pm Comment from: Sailfish

I have obsessive compulsive disorder...

1: Obsessed with Macintosh computers
2: Compulsive that everytime I pass the Apple Store I have to stop in
3: My room is in disorder because I spend too much time enjoying my Mac

What a wonderful problem I have. Too bad there's no cure. LOL

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