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Cringley: Apple and Intel to merge; Steve Jobs finally beats Bill Gates
Thursday, June 09, 2005 - 12:49 PM EST

What's behind Apple's announcement that future Macs will use Intel processors "is so baffling and staggering that it isn't surprising that nobody has yet figured it out until now," Robert X. Cringely writes. "Apple and Intel are merging."

...Intel hates Microsoft. It hasn't always been that way, but in recent years Microsoft has abused its relationship with Intel and used AMD as a cudgel against Intel. Even worse, from Intel's standpoint Microsoft doesn't work hard enough to challenge its hardware. For Intel to keep growing, people have to replace their PCs more often and Microsoft's bloatware strategy just isn't making that happen, especially if they keep delaying Longhorn.

Enter Apple. This isn't a story about Intel gaining another three percent market share at the expense of IBM, it is about Intel taking back control of the desktop from Microsoft.

Intel is fed up with Microsoft. Microsoft has no innovation that drives what Intel must have, which is a use for more processing power. And when they did have one with the Xbox, they went elsewhere.

So Intel buys Apple and works with their OEMs to get products out in the market. The OEMs would love to be able to offer a higher margin product with better reliability than Microsoft. Intel/Apple enters the market just as Microsoft announces yet another delay in their next generation OS. By the way, the new Apple OS for the Intel Architecture has a compatibility mode with Windows (I'm just guessing on this one).

This scenario works well for everyone except Microsoft. If Intel was able to own the Mac OS and make it available to all the OEMs, it could break the back of Microsoft. And if they tuned the OS to take advantage of unique features that only Intel had, they would put AMD back in the box, too. Apple could return Intel to its traditional role of being where all the value was in the PC world. And Apple/Intel could easily extend this to the consumer electronics world. How much would it cost Intel to buy Apple? Not much. And if they paid in stock it would cost nothing at all since investors would drive shares through the roof on a huge swell of user enthusiasm.

That's the story as I see it unfolding. Steve Jobs finally beats Bill Gates. And with the sale of Apple to Intel, Steve accepts the position of CEO of the Pixar/Disney/Sony Media Company.


Much, much more in the full article here.

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Jun 09, 05 - 01:04 pm Comment from: AL

Intel buy Apple?

I don't think so. Besides that fact that Jobs would never allow it, chips are becomming a commodity.

With $6 billion in reserves, Apple could buy a controlling interest in Intel easily without a Apple stock being involved.

Jun 09, 05 - 01:04 pm Comment from: Carl Carlson

bullshit.

Jun 09, 05 - 01:05 pm Comment from: Yeah right...

I'm sure stranger theories have been formulated, but this one is pretty off the wall. The writer does have one thing right; Steve is a control freak. No way he'd stay on board IF such a "merger" were to happen.

Jun 09, 05 - 01:06 pm Comment from: iPodder

Intel buying Apple? Wait for SJ to die first.

Jun 09, 05 - 01:06 pm Comment from: Cpt. Obvious

um, yeah.

a healthy dose of speculation, indeed.

Jun 09, 05 - 01:06 pm Comment from: justified

Uh, ok.

So, Intel attempts revenge on Microsoft. So, Microsoft dumps Intel entirely, pulls AMD under its wing (which AMD would just LOVE) and puts Intel AND Apple out of business in a matter of weeks/months.

WAY TOO RISKY, CRINGELY!

Jun 09, 05 - 01:11 pm Comment from: Greg Sparkman

Apple doesn't need to sell to Intel for MS to feel the heat from the processor change.

Jun 09, 05 - 01:11 pm Comment from: theloniousMac

Cringley has officially crossed the line to halfwit. It's time to hang up the eccentric pundit cloak, retire to fishing in Alaska, and maybe finally do something with a computer instead of being a wannabe.

Jun 09, 05 - 01:15 pm Comment from: Rasmus

Intel has market cap of 169 Bill, and Apple 30 Bill. Much as I love Apple, they are not buy Intel. Not that I think it will be the other way around either.

Jun 09, 05 - 01:18 pm Comment from: jps

"How much would it cost Intel to buy Apple? Not much."

As a shareholder I take offense to this statement. Apple is stronger now, financially, than it has ever been. Two years ago they're revenue was barely $7 billion a year, now they're approaching $14 billion and the outlook remains incredibly positive.

I am not saying Intel couldn't afford to buy Apple, I am sure they could. But it would cost them a hell of a lot.

Jun 09, 05 - 01:19 pm Comment from: The Duke

Yowza! I knew Intel was fed up with Microsoft, and Intel easily has the money, but I never imagined that Intel might actually BUY Apple (not that they have yet or actually will). This theory does account for the absence of AMD very well.

If Intel keeps Apple's ideas alive, together they could easily dethrone MS.

Jun 09, 05 - 01:19 pm Comment from: TheCrunge

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Jun 09, 05 - 01:19 pm Comment from: Greg Sparkman

I just read Cringely's article. What a bunch of crap.

Jun 09, 05 - 01:21 pm Comment from: Jack Arends

Hey Hey Hey Robert! Let's not get carried away here. Apple switching to Intel was a big change, yes. But let's not let that catapult us into fantasy land, shall we?

Jun 09, 05 - 01:22 pm Comment from: The Duke

Many of you say Cringley is off his rocker, but how many of you said that same thing about anyone who brought up the possiblity of Mac on Intel just last week?

Jun 09, 05 - 01:26 pm Comment from: Bill

Wow, in the imortal words of Ogre, "And what if 'cat' was really spelled 'd-o-g'." Don't bogart that jay, Cringely. Pass the dutchie on the left hand side.

Hey, MDN Magic Word = party! Dude, lay off the party, Cringley.

Jun 09, 05 - 01:29 pm Comment from: Winston

I usually love Cringely's columns but, unless he's being facetious, this time he's eaten one too many Guatemalan insanity peppers.

Jun 09, 05 - 01:30 pm Comment from: Queeezie

Microsoft to buy Apple.
Steve can´t stop anything. The company is owned by shareholders.

Jun 09, 05 - 01:30 pm Comment from: Macview

Great this is how those rumors get started like Microsoft owning Apple. Tomorrow some PC guy is going to come up to me an say "I heard Intel Bought Apple!"

"Sigh"

Guess I'll have to re-educate them again!

Jun 09, 05 - 01:31 pm Comment from: mcloki

Agreed it is a fantasy. Though I don't doubt the Intel hatred. INtel and Apple can stay as two separate companies and still do what Cringley says they will. Microsoft is diversifying, so is Apple. Wait to see what operating system is running Intel Home PC platform. Cringley,
Maybe Microsoft will start selling Windows for PPC.
Usually Cringley is good and reasoned, this time he didn't really set it up that much.

Jun 09, 05 - 01:31 pm Comment from: Chomper

Geee, what's missing?

*GASP* HARD NUMBERS!!!

What the hell is this guy talking about? Buying Apple wouldn't cost much? Yeah, I have an island he can buy too if he's interested.

Jun 09, 05 - 01:32 pm Comment from: XABEX

"The OEMs would love to be able to offer a higher margin product with better reliability than Microsoft."

I want a MacInDell.

/not really

Jun 09, 05 - 01:36 pm Comment from: MacJack

Yeah, but the shareholders are usually guided by the board. And Steve controls the board.

Jun 09, 05 - 01:42 pm Comment from: ndelc

I'm not going to say it won't ever happen, but I'll certainly say I hope it doesn't. I don't want Apple to ever sell to someone else. The only way I'd be interested in that scenario is if SJ was still in charge of the whole deal.

Frankly, I don't want Apple to put MS out of business. The best selling product is typically not the best product. Let MS sell their wares to the unwashed masses. Apple is for those of us who appreciate quality.

Jun 09, 05 - 01:42 pm Comment from: Shareolder

if they give me $200 bucks for every stock I might vote for it smile

Jun 09, 05 - 01:44 pm Comment from: Krixkrax

Hey, man, dont be too angry! It is Cringley theory, possible future vision. What is wrong with it? He is a writer, he must predict some strange and interesting possibilities, this is his job. But I like Cringley since his film about Steve and Jobs and the pc history. I always like the man who has any kind of vision.

So, what is wrong with this theory?
We like only Apple, and we are fanatics for Apple. I dont care who helps Apple to become more powerful, more etc-etc. If it is Intel, welcome. If it is IBM, welcome. The most important thing is for us, Apple will design, build and sell more software and more hardware than before Intel switch. Apple is the swiss army knife for the computing, and must live forever.

Welcome to the new decade!

Jun 09, 05 - 01:46 pm Comment from: Krixkrax

I think Cringley is sharp…:)

Jun 09, 05 - 01:46 pm Comment from: Tommy Boy

Cringley's article is fun speculation. Nothing more, nothing less. You Kool-Aid drinkers out there should put more emphasis on the fun part because you know an article like this leaves skid marks in Ballmer's trousers.

Jun 09, 05 - 01:48 pm Comment from: Krixkrax

And what if it is true?

Think different!

Jun 09, 05 - 01:50 pm Comment from: u got my vote

Amen, Krixkrax

Jun 09, 05 - 01:53 pm Comment from: ConspiracyTheory

Geez. I like Cringley but I have to say this one is pretty farfetched. (though I guess after monday's annoucement, anything is possible) I think there are much
simpler answers to his 5 questions than intel buys apple:

1) What happened to the PowerPC's supposed performance advantage over Intel?

What happened to Intel's supposed performance advantage over AMD? The processor business is a very dynamic one. The performance leader one year could be the performance lagger the next. If we take Steve Jobs at his word, then Intel is supposed to have a great advantage over PowerPC in a couple of years. (At least when you factor in the power consumption variable)

2) What happened to Apple's 64-bit operating system?
Tiger is essentially a 32 bit operating system that can take advantage of some 64 bit operations. Most applications never use the 64 bit functionality because it's slower than the 32 bit functionality. 64 bit really comes in handy when you need to address a lot of information or handle very very large numbers. Currently only the G5 has 64 bit capability. The G4 does not. (Do you really need to address more than 4gigs on your laptop right now?) Similarly Apple will probably use the 32 bit Yonah processor in it's low end and laptop machines next year. In 2007, it may use the Merom processor which supposedly will support EM64T 64 bit instruction set. In other words, there is probably a reason apple is not going to transitions their entire line to intel all at once. I doubht they want to use the Itanium 64 bit extensions.

3) Where the heck is AMD?
Although I'm sure AMD was considered, we can only speculate on why Steve decided to go with Intel. The simplest answer is that Steve values their production capacity. What is Steve decided to go with AMD, and then Dell also decided to switch to AMD at some point. Who do you think will get priority? It will be Xbox/Playstation v. Apple all over again. The other, more speculative, answer is that Intel has something pretty impressive up their sleeve. As for the Cell processor. From what I understand, the Cell processor is not PowerPC instruction set compliant, nor is it suited to general purpose computing.

4) Why announce this chip swap a year before it will even begin for customers?
Simply to get developers on board. You and I both know that the Mathematica demo represents the best case scenario. There will be a lot of developers who will lag. If they annouce too late, then Apple will launch a new platform that will appear to be a lot slower than what they had before because everything is running in emulation. How good would that be for sales. And come on. Do you really think that apple can keep a switch to Intel secret? They can't even keep a PowerPC speed bump a secret. It would be leaked immediately. I think this is a marketing problem.. and Apple is very good at marketing problems.

5) Is this all really about Digital Rights Management?
Uhh.. no. There are much cheaper solutions to DRM than switching your entire line of computers to Intel.

Finally.. his assertion that this is a power play against Microsoft. I just dont see that this would be that much different just because Apple is using Intel microprocessors. If Macs were to be able to run windows programs, then people would still need to buy a copy of Windows. MS doesn't care if you run it on a Dell or a Mac... they just care that you buy a copy of windows. There is a lot more to running windows programs than being on the same processor. The biggest threat to MS, is if people buy a Mac to run windows, then decide to give MacOS X a try...

Anyway.. that is my thoughts... sorry for the verbosity.

MW - theory. How strange.. macdailynews must be contemplating a merger with my brain.

Jun 09, 05 - 01:53 pm Comment from: deep inside intel

this is the most ridiculous thing I've ever read in my life. My co-workers and I are still chuckling at it.

Jun 09, 05 - 01:54 pm Comment from: stabtheman

Hey, Cringely! Where'd you get the 'shrooms, man? I mean, dude, I'm seein' things. Like colorful Intel machines the shape of Apples. Wow! Dude! You see that? That looked just like Bill Gates in a bitchin' black dress ridin' a broomstick! Oh, wait. That's Nicole Kidman in that movie thing. Coool, dude!

Jun 09, 05 - 01:58 pm Comment from: Dogzilla

Hmmm. I wonder how much of the reaction here is because people don't *want* to believe such a thing is possible? I'm not sure how likely I think this scenario is, but I haven't read anyone posting any actual reasons why not.

One thing's for certain - Cringley's "5 Points" are compelling rebuttals to the stated reasons for the switch to Intel. There's something else going on here, and while it may not be what Cringley's putting forward, it sure as hell ain't what Jobs said at the keynote.

Jun 09, 05 - 02:02 pm Comment from: zupchuck

Speculation for sure, but not as expensive as you think. When Apple is all-Intel-inside, the money spent for CPUs can safely be dropped expenses.

Hey "deep inside intel", I thought you would only post once?

Regardless of the chances, as it stands, Apple has choice now. Being a division of Intel would again limit Apple's choices.

Jun 09, 05 - 02:02 pm Comment from: scott schor

>>>Cringley's article is fun speculation. Nothing more, nothing less. You Kool-Aid drinkers out there should put more emphasis on the fun part because you know an article like this leaves skid marks in Ballmer's trousers.

Right you are, Tommy Boy. The article certainly was a fun read and wonderful speculation. I'm not so enamored with the image of skid marks in Balmer's trousers, however.

http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2005/6/6/469

Jun 09, 05 - 02:03 pm Comment from: Mac Daddy

Buying Apple would not be keeping with Intel's mission statement:

"Do a great job for our customers, employees, and stockholders by being the preeminent building block supplier to the worldwide digital economy"

In other words, the job at Intel is to provide (primarily) CPUs, to be used as building blocks (components), by other OEMs in creating digital equipment. Apple is a customer, not a "building block" to Intel. I think it unlikely that Intel would buy Apple or any other digital equipment manufacturer for that matter.

Jun 09, 05 - 02:03 pm Comment from: Naraa Haras

"Inconceivable!"

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." - quote from The Princess Bride

You just never know. Intel is hungry. Steve does love his movie business. I think before he leaves Apple again, he'd have to leave Apple ahead of MS in personal (not corporate) computer sales.

I give him 4 years.

Jun 09, 05 - 02:03 pm Comment from: Al

Hey, Apple switched to Intel, Microsoft switched to PPC, Enderlie, Dvorak and Thurrot were right about something, cats are sleeping with dogs, anything can happen. I say go for it, it can't get any worse than it is now.

Jun 09, 05 - 02:10 pm Comment from: He's right

He's right about one thing! Steve Jobs will someday beat Bill Gates!!!

Onward, RDF. More Kool-aid please... Hey, can I watch the keynote again, and again, and again...

Jun 09, 05 - 02:11 pm Comment from: mike

At first I thought it was a Mac users wet dream.. this whole article.. then he talks about SJ leaving the company?

Ah, in what galaxy is that good for the company? Apple gets bought, and SJ leaves to do "Woody vs. Shrek"

Ah No. Apple's alot more exciting than story telling..

Jun 09, 05 - 02:16 pm Comment from: chris

It's not MICROSOFT that APPLE and INTEL will hit hard, cause if mac users could use windows software, microsoft is still getting paid.

it's DELL and others that have to worry big time.

Jun 09, 05 - 02:19 pm Comment from: stabtheman

Why Intel is hot for Apple.

Microsoft's all cozy with AMD. Intel needs to create flagship 64bit machines. Apple gets a high profile, deep pocket partner.

Jun 09, 05 - 02:21 pm Comment from: deep inside intel

Well I did say that originally! =) But you mac-heads are fun. I admire your tenacity and loyalty to the SJ and Apple.

I'll poke in here and there and tell you guys how things are going in a way that won't get me fired! =) NDA, ya know.

Jun 09, 05 - 02:21 pm Comment from: DaddySteve

Looks like Cringely has been watching too many --good guy turned to the dark side-- movies.

That said, I will be keeping this story in the back of my mind as we watch what unfolds over the next few years.

Jun 09, 05 - 02:31 pm Comment from: Quaptro

Its Apple vs. Dell.

---------------------

Dell has a huge, worldwide monster sales and distribution organization.

Apple built 100+ stores.
None in lots of European countries.

Jun 09, 05 - 02:32 pm Comment from: Wally Wallet

Dell will be hurt by Xbox (microsoft) more than Apple will be hurt by Xbox.

Jun 09, 05 - 02:34 pm Comment from: Zeldorf

It´s a giant FREAKING chessgame!

CheckMATE!!!!

Jun 09, 05 - 02:35 pm Comment from: mac user 47

Wrong.

Jun 09, 05 - 02:41 pm Comment from: mac user 48

Right.

Jun 09, 05 - 02:41 pm Comment from: mac user 49

Maybe.

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