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re: Well I'm a corporate IT guy and we want Dell to switch to AMD - better technology. Intel can take its on-chip DRM somewhere else.

And to all you Mac losers that hate us - the feeling is _more_ than mutual

But there's one difference between us and you - we can make your lives miserable and you can't do a thing about it.

And we even get paid for it!!!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ...

I am truly EVIL 8-)

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twat.

Go back to your bug ridden, virus infected and ancient OS pos and leave the real people to use the real technology.

One day you will wake up and say thank god for an alternative to windows. Probably when you have lost 10 years of familiy photos and your music collection.

Until that eventuallity - leave the room - you are not invited and you aint wearing the right pass to get in.

"Until that eventuallity - leave the room - you are not invited and you aint wearing the right pass to get in."

Petey my boy - try and make me. Why don't you email MDN and ask him to block my posts? I've never changed my sig since I started coming to this site. It would be easy.

But MDN won't, of course - I generate hits, which feed right into his bottom line. You see, the $ in M$ trumps all. Resistance is futile... you will be assimilated...


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....

Evil_MS_User:

Good morning. I have been keeping up with your posts and I would like to thank you for your replies to my missives.

I appreciate your ability to answer me in the same tone that I communicate in. I won't pretend that I haven't lost it in here and vented, but usually it is against a mindset, not a person.

I do feel it might be worth pointing out that your analogy using VHS and Betamax should be looked into further...

Yes, VHS "won out" in the consumer arena. I was young when there was still a choice in home video tape recorders. I remember well that Betamax was superior, if more expensive and less widely used.

We always had VHS in our home and for our camcorders growing up, but Beta was (and is) the format of choice for broadcast and professional videographers.

You may or may not be familiar with the evolution of Betamax into DV.

Most modern broadcasters use Sony's digital format for recording and playback for broadcast (just ask any local news cameraman). This technology was distilled into miniDV for consumers and has now more or less taken over personal camcorders.

It also allows for the easy digital manipulation on home computers (say, with iMovie, for example).

With the advent of DVRs (not to mention DVD recorders) at affordable prices, VHS VCRs are all but doomed.

So, Sony lost out in the consumer field, made a better product professionals were willing to pay for, kept innovating, brought out a consumer product that took over, and finally is in the process of vanquishing the platform most had thought it lost out to.

You sir, can pick an analogy. I mean spot on.



~M

PS- You know we can't make you leave, but I have been informed that this room will be cleaned starting at 1:00pm. So, uh, you might want to clear out, um, because, er, um, you know nobody will be here. In fact, I believe the entire site is getting a makeover, yeah, that's it. Um, nothing here to see, move along.

To all fluent Romance Porcine Mac users: On'tde, eallyre eavele. Otne eallyre eaningcle.

Mozfan,

Cool post, the respect is mutual. I haven't followed the evolution of Betamax, but it does seem that Sony did good with its technology.

Despite what you may think, I am not a Windows fanboy. I use it because it is what I need to use and I'm comfortable with it. I don't buy Dell for my home systems - I buy Alienware + AMD. I run XPsp2 and IE, but they're locked down so tight an ant couldn't fart in them. And I also run Fedora Core 4 in VMWare - you see, I'm hedging my bets. I'm pretty sure in the future the Windows and Mac OS's markets will shrink to the U.S, Europe and other anglo countries. Why? Because governments won't take the chance of the US govt shutting them down through backdoors in those OS's. I predict homegrown versions of Linux will take hold everywhere else.

And you ask, then why not Mac? Simple. Why would I move from a proprietary, closed system to another proprietary, closed system? Especially when both those systems are integrating DRM into the kernel? No, sir. I will keep using Windows for work, but pretty soon all my personal stuff will be on Linux.

Peace

Too many good (and bad) posts to respond to each. So, here's the sniper version as opposed to the shotgun approach (even so it is quite long - sorry).

InsideAppleMan is drinking the MS favored arsenic flavored Kool Aid. Firewire is alive and well on both MacTel offerings at this time. Windows Vista (or any future iteration for that matter) secure and not so bad? It isn't secure now and won't be when it ships! It's inherent in the design. And for you AeroGlass fans, well, it's just another improvement to a comic book inspired interface. Eye candy still does not make the OS more usable. When will you MS lovers figure that out? My bet is you weren't even born when the countdown-to-Apple's-insolvency clock was started so you have no real frame of reference for your reality checks (over thirty years and counting). Apple will be bigger than your much ballyhooed Dell by the end of '07 (cap-wise; look it up for the figures and definition). Get used to it!

The single most important reason that Macs are not making a dent in the corporate world (and are perceived as not ready for big business) is the lack of quality, scalable, scheduling software that is on a par (feature for feature) with MS Exchange. This is not an endorsement of its' usability, stability or anything but its' ubiquity (I personally hate the kludge). It's the same reason why most design houses (print, broadcast, etc.) use Macs and why iLife on the consumer side is considered by most to be the best available suite. The end experience is far more complete. There are several Mac apps that replicate some of the features of Exchange (and seemingly) do it well but not all of them or do not scale well enough. This is the non rhetoric-induced rationale of the real IT people who wish they could move everything to Macs/Linux/Unix or just about anything other than MS dependant products.

When I worked in the back rooms with the big iron and the small-box servers MS "whatever" was always looked at as a toy. Serious apps were never on a MS server for long (never got out of testing). Real DBs were big iron apps (are you gonna' trust your multi-billion dollar business' POS registers to MS - think again; it can't be done, PERIOD). And in case you're wondering whether I'm full of sh!t or not I worked for Saks Inc when they were a major contender in the retail market. They didn't have the best IT practices around (contrary to their internal statements) but you can bet they didn't waste their time and money on Windows where it didn't belong.

And that included the Advertising department. One guy to admin 60 or so Macs. And being the Mac lover that I am I took note of many things. The Macs were never down. Ever. Most of the so-called "real" IT guys didn't even know who he was for the most part (I did because I knew Macs and sought him out). And as for so called fervent Mac fanboys the IT VP would literally fire anyone who bought anything but Dell (in the late 90's and into the new millenium). Talk about religion! I wonder where his faith is now that Dell is by most accounts taking it on the nose when it comes to user satisfaction and quality of support issues. I haven't worked there in over a year so I don't know what's going on since they've sold off most of their holdings.

And as a personal note (as if this all weren't personal enough) I have worked in Mac only shops as well (yes, they were primarily art houses - print and video work). One of the TCO things that most IT guy DO NOT get is that a Mac has a much longer USEFUL LIFE CYCLE than any PC I have ever used or run across. G3 iMacs running Tiger (without built in DVD drives mind you) are still in use at my house (and friend's houses for that matter). IMHO they far outpace their PIII counterparts running XP (far older than Tiger) in other friends homes. Can't run a lot of wares on the older XP boxes. Not so with the decrepit old iMacs. And the hardware lasts far longer. I'll send you personal specs if you want...

For all you MS apologists and lovers alike I'll send you a dollar if you promise to use it to go out and buy a real operating system. Go to eBay and buy a copy of a Linux or FreeBSD distro since you probably can't figure out how to do it on your own. Mac isn't going anywhere but up soon. Deal with it!

"Evil"_MS_User:

I too am stuck using a Widows PC at work (as are many of us). The major difference in our situations is that while I am a confirmed gadget head, I know next to nothing about the stuff you mentioned in your post.

I can respect the unwillingness to lock yourself into a closed system if you possess all the knowledge to use Linux (or whatever "Fedora Core 4 in VMWare" happens to be) and have the time, tools and inclination to get "under the hood". Bare in mind that the last time I had a kernel panic, I was rooting around for a toothpick with butter-covered fingers.

I am only interested in the computer as a tool (not a project). I may get nostalgic over the history of Apple. I may get misty-eyed thinking of the first Apple ][ I ever wrote BASIC programs for in the 3rd grade. I may even get excited about the shape and look of an iMac or the new MacBook Pro, but in the end, I just want the thing to be stable, secure, and enjoyable.

And it must work, period.

Apple gives me and millions of people that experience. There have always been a some who know the ins and outs of computers and don't mind working to make the computer work. The Mac is "for the rest of us" and we love it.

Surely you can understand why some of us get so passionate?

But since we are both open-minded, I'm glad we can agree that in the end, the right platform is the one that delivers the experience and performance we want. The perfect platform and OS is the one that we feel most comfortable with...

And as long as that's OS X on a beautiful Apple Macintosh, we have no disagreements.



~M

"And as long as that's OS X on a beautiful Apple Macintosh, we have no disagreements."

Actuallyyy... never mind

We agree to disagree. In a civil manner. Which is as it should be.

We shall meet again in another thread. Until then, may your computing experience be blessed

I, on the other hand, have some shell scripts to troubleshoot...

Fair enough.

I have some net to surf and some Food Network to watch.


~M