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That's odd, because I distinctly remember Dell being a bit tardy in supporting Itanium II.

Amen Bubba!

For the Mac community, this probably feels like retribution from the insults IBM delivered to Apple by never realizing the mobile G5 processor, then giving Microsoft a 3GHz PowerPC while Apple got moderate speed bumps.

I for one hope Apple and Intel will continue their partnership in including the latest and greatest hardware in future Macs.

MW word: "them apples"

Nice comment MDN Editor.

I can't wait to get my hands on one of those new Mac laptops.

You go, MDN!

Lets hope Apple starts to ship in BIG volumes then.
Old Stevie boy must have had the RDF turned to high to pull that one off.

Maybe Apple had a larger hand in the chip design then Windoz people are willing to admit. They just got caught with their pants down.

Perhaps Intel has had enough of Dell running its mouth in the press about switching to AMD.

If you read the article and follow the first thread at the bottom, it appears that Dell and HP are not happy with Intel and Apple. Dell has been talking AMD. Well, how about Intel labelled laptops with the help of Apple?

This could be a once-off launch in Apple's favor in light of the move to Intel CPUs (new buddy-buddy relationship cementing sort of thing.)

Or, it could be that Dull and HP are going to ship about 20 million machines and Apple's order was a comparatively small one.

Or it was the launch which evidently will have a biggest splashy impact for Intel. Considering the press over the last few days, Intel chose the right horse if that was the case. When was the last time the press went ape over a new PC notebook??

Or it might be that Intel wanted to first see a decent computer built around its chips instead of some butt-ugly Uninspiron or N2Zv65 type model (pulled that out of my ass, which I think is where all these PC product numbers come from... although not necessarily my ass in particular.)

No matter what, suffer in yer jocks Dull & H.P.

Actually Apple is playing guiena pig with the iMactels, also there isn't enough Core Duo's to go around for the likes of Dell and HP yet.

And another thing, we can only pre-order Mactel laptops, they are not shipping yet.

So the corporate Microsoft a$$ kissing world can BLOW ME.

It seems like Intel wants a showcase for their tech, so now they have one. Goood times.

The corporate IT types can go f*ck themselves. They'll get their new chips so they can execute viruses and spyware even faster soon enough anyway.

I doubt the accuracy of the original story. Apple isn't shipping any Intel notebooks yet, so we'll have to wait and see if they beat Dell or anyone else to the market next month with a Yonah notebook.

They are shipping a desktop Yonah, which is great and all, but nothing really special. The Yonah isn't faster than the Pentium D's that Dell is already shipping in their desktops, it's just (much) lower power.

So I don't know why anyone would be upset. If Apple actually beats Dell, HP, or Gateway to a shipping laptop, we'll see. But that hasn't happened yet.

The article is complaining that buyers of HP, DELL et al. notebooks can't go out and buy their Core Duo based systems, and probably won't be able to get them until February.

Well. Neither can we. We can preorder MacBook Pro machines, but they won't ship until February. These people seem to be complaining that they can't preorder their machines - has Dell ever allowed a preorder system on new laptops to go ahead? Has HP?

This article is relatively pointless. They are complaining about an issue that doesn't exist. Noone will have a Core Duo based notebook until February, Apple or otherwise.

If they were complaining about the iMac CoreDuo, I could understand their complaint. But in a notebook context? Eh.


~A~

Well if HP wasn't so busy buying up AMD CPU's maybe they could have been first in line like Apple.

Looking over some other sites, I would agree that there is probably a constraint on the Core Duo chips. Heck, Apple will be lucky to get the new MBPs and iMacs out the door in a timely manner. (Have they ever had a smooth rollout?)

These whiny corporate IT folks are overlooking some major points: picking up viruses and spyware 4-5 time faster! And has Windoze been tweaked to handle the new chips?

Dip into the R&D;funds whiners and pick up one of these babies running OS X and start playing with it. You may be surprised!

I thought I smelled something burning.

Corporate Microsoft bootlicking sons of 5itches can ki$$ my $m377y @ss

These "I.T. Nazis" should start getting used to Macintosh envy. 'Cause it's going to get much worse.

Rock on SJ!

SJR said: "The corporate IT types can go f*ck themselves. They'll get their new chips so they can execute viruses and spyware even faster soon enough anyway."



MDN Magic Word: "certain"
They certainly can go fsk themselves - bastards

Well I'm a corporate IT guy and we want Dell to switch to AMD - better technology. Intel can take its on-chip DRM somewhere else.

And to all you Mac losers that hate us - the feeling is _more_ than mutual

But there's one difference between us and you - we can make your lives miserable and you can't do a thing about it.

And we even get paid for it!!!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ...

I am truly EVIL 8-)

How much did those losers contribute to the final product in their machines? Did they go thorugh a massive amount of work with Intel in the past six months?

Oh, and Sorry Intel to make fun of your other cusomters. It was just a joke.

Steve

Is this IT guy an idiot? After Dell announced at CES that it was going to put Yonahs in their laptops, I went to Dell's website, and priced an Inspiron 9300. Yes, a Core Duo Inspiron. It was $2000 in its base config, and about $2592, when I spec'd it closer to what the MacBook has. The ship date was Feb 16. I don't know what this guy was smoking but it is there.

Having said that, it is interesting that the first shipping Yonahs, in the iMac, are Apple products. You would think Dell or HP would be first, but then again, Apple is putting a notebook chip in a desktop, and perhaps Dell and HP were waiting for the desktop versions of Yonah.

Hey, Evil_MS_User,

I got news for you. I can put 20 calls into the support desk about the crap that goes on with my PC. And you have to follow up on them. And I can complain about how I don't get good support, and you'll lose your job. So shut up and make a good choice for once and stop sticking us with boring little gray boxes that can only do boring little gray jobs.

Bozo

In other news, Dell and HP are fuming that they can't get Paul Otellini to dress up in a bunny suit for their product announcements.

MW: You couldn't see his FACE!

Is there any indication that intel does have this on-chip DRM on the core duo? If not maybe they won't play well with an intel-apple media store. If the do maybe I won't buy one.

The media stuff isn't enough for me to deal with their BS DRM.

Does AMD have any DRM solutions like intel or do they plan on lisencing the tech from intel? Maybe a DRM-less AMD will have the success to show corporations that users don't want it, assuming of course that users don't want it and pay enough attention to not buy it unwillingly. How many people insist on understanding what's in their computers before buying them?

Actually, Dell has announced the Inspiron 9400 featuring Core Duo CPUs, and they ship next month just like MacBook Pro does.

http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/inspn_9400?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd

They come with larger displays, faster graphics and faster CPUs. They cost less than MacBook Pros do.

{true story}

I contacted the I.T. department two days ago to rattle the cage of the I.T. Director over their crappy M$ SQL Server. You see they chose this shit instead of Oracle. And it always mangles data.

When I found the person's name and number I burst out laughing out load. You see, his name is Mike Dick. How appropriate?

:LOL:

Hey Bozo, I have news for you - I don't support Macs . We have one Mac guy running around trying to fix 'em. I don't give a hoot about them. They can wait days for their tickets to get resolved... let them wait. Our CIO wants to get rid of them anyway. And if the losers that use them don't like the service they can go find a job somewhere else. They're mostly a bunch of temp "artsy" persons, anyways... a dime a dozen.

Nyah-nyah-nyah...

Another vote for the editors comment. :D Stick to the Man!

MDN Word: Tax

Mr. MacDailyNews:

You shouldn't blame I.T. managers; they're behaving in a perfectly predictable, human manner. From the early days, when a PC with the name "IBM" on it became available, I.T. buyers have played it safe. In the 80's, they didn't HAVE to drag out their crystal balls and try to predict whether or not their computer would be supported two or three years in the future. Based only on the buzz in both geek and business circles as a result of IBM's entry, they could project with some confidence that today's decision wouldn't cause them to loose their jobs three years down the road.

It's the same situation today. I.T. guys (and gals) have to look out for "Number 1" (as in: feed their family and keep a roof over their childrens' heads). Most know the Mac is better and more stable but few are willing to put their necks on the line by using their employer's capital budget to make a wholesale change in a computing standard just because it's a "superior user experience" (pronounced with a lisp). No one looses their job because a Windows computer has to be re-booted twice a day.

It's an uncommon business that permits its employees to make bold, risky moves without fear of job-jeopardizing reproductions if things go south. Examples of such businesses are those with bosses that REALLY know what makes people tick, and highly technical or scientific organizations that aren't intimidated by technically arcane details. So why in the world would one expect I.T. people at your common, semi-idiotic American business to do anything but take the safe bet, no matter how mediocre it is?

More problematic for Apple is the widespread use in American business of vertical market niche applications for such things as material resource planning (MRP software). These applications are incredibly complex and companies are completely dependent on them. In the past, you could only put Macs in "art departments" because employees there didn't give a holy crap if they had an installed seat of their company's MRP program.

Now the good news: Apple's move to Intel chips provides a huge, HUGE opportunity if properly exploited. For one, not only can Macs run Microsoft Office (they always could), but they can now run these companies' MRP software. How easy will it be to simultaneously run both Office and your MRP on the new Intel-based Macs? Will you have to "cube-over" to your MRP (?) or will it just shrink over to the dock? If Apple does this right and squashes most of the bugs, an I.T. manager could place Macs as both servers AND clients all over their company's desktops. Their company would immediately benefit by the improved stability. The I.T. guy looks good. And the I.T. guy could have the confidence that if things go south, they could erase all their OS X software and install barbarian software that would still run on all their Apple-made Intel boxes.

All Apple needs to do is show I.T. managers two things: 1) How easy it is to integrate Macs over a multi-month period without pissing off employees and their managers during the transition, and 2) that there is a viable (low cost) bailout plan if everything goes to hell in a hand-basket.

The Intel iMacs shipping now. That's why the IT people are pissed.

I own a large construction company with over a 1000 macs. Everything works perfectly. No major problems ever. Large corporations really are wasting a lot of their shareholders money using Windows. Hopefully the younger more computer literate future CEOs will see the light and make the switch. Everyone will benefit.

Hey Bartt, sounds like a cowboy with no steers. What is the name of your wonderful Mac-driven construction company?

passshhhh.... they're just jealous we don't get stickers.

Did anyone check out Dell's desktop on the Inspiron 9400 page. I thought it was the default OS X desktop pattern.

Maybe this has been discussed before but it's pretty funny.

MW= the as in THE stupid company copied THE same desktop.

Nick,

You're overly optimistic. The specs are all "up to" and the price are all "from". You do get a lot more from Dell in one sense:

Height: 1.6-inches (41.5 mm)
Weight: Starting at 7.94 lbs. (3.60 kg). Weight shown is with 17" WXGA+ display, optical drive and 53Whr 6-cell battery. They don't say how much it weighs with the 80 hour battery.

The MacBook Pro is 1.0 inches thick and weighs about 5.5 pounds. Bare bones it's $1999, same as the Dell "from" price.

Evil_MS_User:

If I could fire all you clods and support myself I would. I handle a time critical database on Oracle that accounts for about $100M in revenue per year. When we are down it is almost always BECAUSE some boob in the IT dept decided the weekend would be a good time to do maintenance and didn't think anything important was running, or because of a Windows security update that disrupts our FTP chains, kills servers, and generally mucks up the system until WE can tell them how to straighten it out. You guys are the modern version of the TV serviceman with the greasy tie. When we have a virus or adware infection our IT guys simply replace the drive and say, "Sorry, you'll have to start over and reinstall everything." Talk about wasting time and money! We could run all of our apps on OS X and Xservs. If I have my way we will sooner or later, and then you can take your little MSCE diploma and put it to its proper use.

It could simply be due to the constraint on the Core Duo chips, the amount on hand is too small for all the players so why not give it all to start off his newest partnership with Apple on a very positive note. Whatever the reason behind it we dont really know, but it does look good for Steve & Apple as well as a satisfied feeling for the Mac community. Yeah we score one, lets hope we'll keep the leading from now on…

To DB Admin:

You're full of it. No self-respecting admin would reboot a server just because they felt like it. Go ahead and make your stories up to justify your opinions. And what's this BS about you DB guys telling us how to straighten out a network. All the Oracle DB admins I've had the misfortune of dealing with couldn't tell the difference between a system DSN and a user DSN, much less how much bandwidth their shitty SQL query programming was eating up on the WAN. And what's up with that friggin' Oracle installer using a deprecated version of the JRE that wouldn't run on a P4? Oracle makes shite and everyone knows it - the companies have just invested too much money into their systems that they're wedded to it. All the companies that were tricked by Ellison hate his guts now - you know that. But Oracle keeps you employed, so you'd rather blame others. You can go to hell.

Can't we all just get along?

This article is pure crap... I would go as far as saying it was made up. The MacBooks arent available until Feb. and Dell is pre-selling them as well. So nothing to gripe about.

calbuckeye:

LOL it looks pretty much the same. Nice.

Hey DB Admin - better make sure to beg your IT guy to patch your stupid Oracle server before your company loses that $100 million you're talking about:

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1908755,00.asp

Asshole.

Well, the headline says corporate IT types are fuming and judging from the tone of all the posts by Evil_MS_User, I'd say the headline is dead on.

Does anyone else find it strange that trolls swear up and down that they hate Apple and us, yet they still come here and spend all their time?

I have no inclination at all to visit a Windows users site (how depressing would that be?) 40,000 posts about virus infections and not one redundancy.

Could it be now that Apple is using x86 chips, the IT guys who are Microsoft's biggest apologists know they will run out of arguments (and excuses?) for the crappy way their equipment runs.

Emotional investment is a powerful and dangerous thing, "We put up with so much crap from Microsoft, they must be worth it, right?" No, their not, you're just screwed in the head Mr. IT Guy (but at least the vendor gave you a T-shirt once). Granted some IT people are pretty sharp, they have a Mac at home.

I know where I work every time MIS improves something it is half as stable and twice as slow. And for the record, our IT gurus reset one particular SQL server at the drop of a hat because nobody can figure out what else to do when the stupid thing won't work (I don't do much with any other server, but I do know I am always getting e-mail notification that something or other is going to be down).

None of us would be so quick to berate PC's, but when you are used to the kind of experience we get on a Mac, you can't help getting furious that PC's and Windows are so deficient.

To my oppressed IT brothers everywhere:

Break the cycle of abuse, get a Mac. Enjoy life, heck, enjoy iLife (we do).


~M

Purely Poetic MDN 

Before the spelling police pipe up, I did mean they're:

As in they're not worth all the crap you (and we) put up with, you're just what the old people used to call "touched" in the head.


~M

Actually, I come here for the same reason I visit the Fox News site, the Weekly Standard, National Review or read Bill O'reilly's blather - I want to know what the enemy's thinking.

It's also amusing to observe how the Internet echo chamber effect makes otherwise right-thinking people go delusional...

Evil_MS_User

I guess I'm lucky in that I don't have to go looking anywhere special to see what the enemies are thinking, mainstream media is everywhere.

Also, come on now, you can't go blaming the Internet for all of those IT types losing it.





~M

Reisup suggests: "Maybe Apple had a larger hand in the chip design then Windoz people are willing to admit. They just got caught with their pants down."

From what I've read, the design work for the Duo and much or most of the next generation of Intel desktop and laptop CPUs was done at Intel's development facilities in Israel. (Yonah, for those who don't know, is Hebrew for Jonah.) Until the "inside story" is written, we won't know how much of a design twist came from Apple, though by the time Jobs made his committment to Intel most of the foundation work was done.

But there obviously was enough work yet to be done (on compilers, chipsets, boards, application ports, etc.) to keep many hundreds of engineers from Intel and Apple busy over recent months. Given that kind of committment, Apple deserves special consideration (as well as our thanks).