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Confused columnist on Apple’s 17” MacBook Pro: ‘you can get a couple of decent Dells’ for that price
Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 12:35 AM EST

"Apple has rolled out a slick new 17-inch version of its MacBook Pro, the Intel-powered replacement for the Powerbook. It's cool, lovely and fast (up to four times faster than the old one) and can run Windows thanks to Boot Camp software. The downside? Price. Expect to fork over $2,800 for one with a gig of RAM. I love Apple hardware but that price makes me think more than twice when you can get a couple of decent Dells and change back for the same coin," James Derk () writes for for Scripps Howard News Service. "At $1,999 the thing is worth a look; at $1,599 it's a category killer. It just needs to get a thousand bucks cheaper somehow. Does Moore's Law apply to Apples?"

[James Derk is co-owner of CyberDads, a computer repair firm, and computer columnist for Scripps Howard News Service.]

Full article here.

MacDailyNews Take: Well, now. We hereby publicly challenge Mr. Derk to find a Dell laptop that meets the following specifications that costs less than half the price of Apple's new 17-inch MacBook Pro. And look up "Moore's Law" while you're at it.

Apple 17-inch MacBook Pro specs for US$2,799 configuration:
• 2.16GHz Intel Core Duo
• 1GB (single SODIMM) of PC2-5300 (667MHz) DDR2 memory
• 667MHz frontside bus
• OS: Mac OS X
• 120GB 5400-rpm Serial ATA hard drive or 100GB 7200-rpm drive
• One FireWire 400
• One FireWire 800
• Three USB 2.0 ports
• 17-inch display
• 6.8 pounds
• 1.0 inch thin
• 8x SuperDrive (DVD+R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
• ExpressCard/34 slot
• Built-in 54-Mbps AirPort Extreme wireless networking (802.11g standard)
• Built-in Bluetooth 2.0+EDR (Enhanced Data Rate)
• Built-in 10/100/1000BASE-T Gigabit Ethernet
• ATI Mobility Radeon X1600 graphics processor, dual link DVI support, 256MB of GDDR3
• DVI output port
• Built-in iSight camera
• MagSafe Power Adapter port
• Apple Remote

Now, of course, the Dell is hobbled from the outset as it is OS-limited and cannot run the world's most advanced operating system, Mac OS X. Apple's MacBook Pro can run Mac OS X, Windows, Linux, and basically any other OS you care to run. So for our challenge, we'll be extremely generous and pretend that major differentiator doesn't exist. We'll go even further and also pretend that the MacBook Pro's included iLife '06 and Front Row software are meaningless, too. So, can Mr. Derk or anybody find a Dell laptop that meets the following specifications that costs less than half the price of Apple's new 17-inch MacBook Pro?

Oh, wait! Before you try it, Mr. Derk, we see your ruse. You wrote "you can get a couple of decent Dells and change back for the same coin," so you allow yourself copious wiggle room to choose any two pieces of crap from Dell's bargain bin, label them "decent," and prance around CyberDads jingling your extra change? Hey, co-owners of computer repair firms wouldn't like it too much if everyone's computer just worked, now would they? What is the going rate for a Windows wipe and reinstall due to unrecoverable spyware/malware infestations these days, anyway? But, we digress.

So, back to the fun, two can play at that game. Our generosity, however, has now been rescinded. The ability to run Mac OS X and iLife, etc. plus Windows matters. It matters a lot. So, let's first visit Dell's website and find something that's as close to Apple's flagship MacBook Pro 17-inch as possible:

Dell XPS M1710 (catchy) specs:
• 2.16GHz Intel Core Duo
• 1GB (single SODIMM) of PC2-5300 (667MHz) DDR2 memory
• 667MHz frontside bus
• OS: Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005
• 100GB 7200rpm SATA Hard Drive
• One 4-pin IEEE 1394 (FireWire 400)
• Six USB 2.0 ports
• 17-inch display
• 8.8 pounds
• 1.67 inch thick
• 8X CD/DVD Burner (DVD+R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
• Intel PRO/Wireless 3945 802.11a/g Mini Card (54Mbps)
• Dell Wireless 350 Bluetooth Internal (2.0 + Enhanced Data Rate)
• Integrated 10/100 Network Card and Modem
• 512MB NVIDIA GeForce Go 7900 GTX
• DVI output port
• Remote Control for Windows XP Media Center Edition

Total cost = US$4,008. (Not a typo, not Canadian dollars or Singapore Dollars; and for the world's ugliest, heaviest, colored light glowing, OS-limited, bathroom-scale-looking POS, no less. By the way, it's a good thing we're fairly advanced Web surfers; navigating Dell's bait and switch Web morass and actually getting a list of specs together to compare with Apple's product is nearly impossible.)

Okay, so with the Dell, we get a screen with a bit higher res (Windows' inferior UI needs the extra room), 3 more USB ports, a better video card, but no FireWire 800 port, no built-in camera, no MagSafe power port, and no built-in ambient light sensing keyboard and display. We do get (thankfully) Anti-Virus/Security Suite Pre-installed PC-cillin Internet Security: AntiVirus, Firewall, and 15-months of Spyware removal (sounds fun, see what you're missing Macheads?), but no ability to run Mac OS X or any of the best-in-class Apple Mac-only apps like GarageBand, iMovie, iDVD, iWeb, iPhoto, etc. - plus the Dell is much thicker, two pounds heavier, and immeasurably uglier.

So, who's getting ripped off here, exactly? Which company's flagship portable laptop is really the better deal? The one that will win design awards around the world or the one that, when closed, people will mistakenly try to step on to see how much they weigh? To paraphrase Derk, the Dell just needs to get a $1,209 cheaper somehow, learn how to run Mac OS X, grow a FireWire 800 port, a built-in camera, gain a first-class industrial designer, and shed two pounds and nearly half its thickness before it would warrant even a cursory look.

By the way, you can get two 15.4-inch MacBook Pros and $10 change for the same coin as the $4,008 Dell XPS M1710.

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Apr 26, 06 - 03:28 pm Comment from: blogfrogschmog

http://www.cyberdads.com/blog.html

Apr 26, 06 - 03:32 pm Comment from: lantzn

James Derek is a part of CyberDads. He owns both PCs and Macs.

http://cyberdads.com/

Apr 26, 06 - 04:05 pm Comment from: zupchuck

Interesting there are no comments on the cyberdad blog about this....

Apr 26, 06 - 05:46 pm Comment from: Ron

Maybe he has a life and doesn't care that much about OPERATING SYSTEMS?

Apr 26, 06 - 05:52 pm Comment from: Ron

Oh, and from the guy's blog on "Rules for Safe Computing"

5. Buy a Mac. None of the above applies to the Apple platform.

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Nice hack job, MDN

Apr 26, 06 - 06:12 pm Comment from: Schlaeps

Best... article... ever...

Apr 26, 06 - 07:19 pm Comment from: Yoda

He said decent Dells, not comparable. Can't any of you people read?

"Category killer" is a positive thing in case ya'll flunked marketing.

Apr 26, 06 - 07:24 pm Comment from: montex

Oh no you dih-ant!

MDN is da bomb!

Apr 26, 06 - 08:57 pm Comment from: Peter

Does the Dell have optical digital audio in and out?

Apr 26, 06 - 11:43 pm Comment from: Rich Mertz

Just a side note about coupons ...

Companies provide coupons ... most consumers never send them in (at least, that's what they teach you in most business classes). So it's a sort of scam. It creates the illusion that you're getting a deal ... when it's likely that the rebate price is what they'd normally charge anyway ... and are making a good profit on. In other words, it's not a steal.

Rebates and coupons skew alot of things ... consumer perception, revenue, and, I'm sure, how these sales are reported when accounting figures are released. I don't know all the implications, and don't have the time to research. If anyone has any real professional experience with the way these thing impact a business model, please enlighten us.

After all ... why bother with a coupon? Shouldn't they just sell it at the adjusted price? There's something shady here.

Apr 27, 06 - 12:28 pm Comment from: zupchuck

And now the blog at cyberdads is completely devoid of the MacBook Pro 2-second review...

Seems MDN made a new friend!

Apr 28, 06 - 02:09 am Comment from: weird fan-boy-ism

"with the Dell, we get a screen with a bit higher res (Windows' inferior UI needs the extra room)"

what the?? He almost makes it sound like a higher resolution screen would be a bad thing,,
that biased crap makes the review loose all credibility

Apr 28, 06 - 02:51 am Comment from: 7.9 pounds is bloody heavy

coupons = paper spyware

Apr 28, 06 - 11:50 am Comment from: Duke

The blog at CyberDads is still there? What you talking about, Willis?

And, he said "decent".

And, even if he didn't, he was right.

http://laptopmag.com/CES2006/WrapUp/Fujitsu-LifeBook-N6410.htm

Apr 28, 06 - 04:59 pm Comment from: Darwin

>>Random: Why can't natural selection apply to stupid people?

>>Why can't natural selection apply to computers? Apple would be on tip top, no?

It does, free markets are very good at this. What you see today with the OS X vs Windows market shares is the result of millions of consumers making judgments on what works for them as a blend of price, performance, features, prettiness, familiarity etc (Natural selection, product a competes against product B on all those attributes and the winner ends up int he shopping cart).

For the point of argument if we take as true for an instant the idea that 100% of PC customers worldwide regard Macs to be superior and would rather have a Mac running OS X than a PC running Windows. (So don't point out why they would want a mac, we're taking that as a given)

Well apparently if that were true then on the way to the checkout counter something happens to a horrifying 96%+ of them which makes them choose another product.

So the above assumption is not very plausable. A more plausible explanation is that the vast majority of people out there think instead that a Windows PC is the right PC for them.

Apr 30, 06 - 12:34 am Comment from: usesMacandToshiba

you should be pissed that it's taken this long for you to be able to run your favorite operating system on current hardware. Intel, ATI, SATA, USB, this is all PC technology that has nothing to do with Mac. Your just caught up in the spin and the cool factor. wake up. I'll get one because it's cool. If it lives up to Toshiba's great products, then cool. oh, and BTW, love that the bigest ad on your site is from Microsoft! Your just silly!

May 01, 06 - 10:46 am Comment from: Amberhawke

Nick, based on your links, I customized an equivalent Dell and came up with $2855 from the first link and $2389 from the second link. Both are within the range of the 17" MBP.

Annoyed with Apple Pricing, dude, where did you see the Inspirion for that price? Show us a link. Your price seems to be for an entry-level E1705, NOT with a 2.16 Core Duo and 1 gig of RAM. The 2.16 is a $300 premium over the 2 ghz, $500 premium over the 1.83 ghz, $600 premium over the 1.66 ghz.

You Dell apologists get your facts straight. Compare items as close as possible. MDN does a disservice as well by using a different class of machine with inflated video card specs to make a comparison.

In the final analysis, the Derk guy is still way off base, if anything, the pricing between Dells (on sale) and Macs are COMPARABLE.

May 02, 06 - 07:31 pm Comment from: Nic Wilson

Enough already of the Mac and OSx is the answer to everyones prayers, as its clearly not. A user who runs both side by side as I do, that is the new Mac 17" and a fully specced E1710 (which came to $6200 AUD) will soon find out just about everything he said here is nonsense.

nicw

May 15, 06 - 11:47 am Comment from: Simon

What an ass does he not know about virtiual pc ? Also a product of microsoft #2 dual booting

May 16, 06 - 10:30 pm Comment from: Ron

No, Amberhawke, you just can't read what he wrote. He wrote "decent" not comparable. He was saying the MBP was too pricey, which it is.

Then the MDN overreacted as usual.

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